Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 2:38pm:


Pakistan is the US's ally, Iran is public enemy No. 1 - mainly because it threatens that other great US ally - Saudi Arabia.

The sheeple follow accordingly...

Just look at FD spinelessly apologising for Saudi Arabia in the other thread.

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2019 at 12:13pm:


They could FD, no one is suggesting they wouldn't. The point though is that I think they would be about 1000 times more difficult to deploy, let alone develop in the first place - and therefore pose the lesser threat - what do you think?

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2019 at 5:23pm:


I liken it a bit to the old rivalry between western Europe and Russia. Russia was always suspicious of western aggression because of events like Napoleon's invasion and of course the Nazi invasion. And she has always been protective of slavic outposts in Europe like Serbia for both cultural and strategic motives. Similarly, Iran has the bitter memory of Saddam's invasion, and now the constant sabre rattling of Israel (whom the Saudis are basically unofficial allies of). Why Saudis especially? Apart from the religious/sectarian rivalry, the Saudis are extremely rich hegemons who spare none of their considerable wealth in aggressively spreading their political influence. And to rub further salt in the wounds, they are backed to the hilt by the US.

The Iranian theocracy is paranoid about being attacked by the sunnis, the west or a combination of both. And not without justification given what happened in 1980. This has been a significant, if not the main motive in Iran using shiite regimes and militias in the sunni world as buffers against attack. For example they very deliberately ensure a continuous "shiite line" is maintained from Iran to the Israeli border - through Iraq, through Syria and connecting to Israel's north via the Hezbollah controlled areas in Lebanon. The Saudis have reacted predictably to these Iranian 'buffers' in the arab heartland, waging proxy wars against Iran in both Syria and Yemen.

So anyway, clearly the "Iran threatening Saudi Arabia and Israel" meme is simplistic to say the least.

Concentrate FD, and try and understand the two separate points I have made:

1. to wipe out mankind you need a "mere" hundreds of nukes (probably)

2. the  *ACTUAL* threat we currently face is thousands, not hundreds - and therefore for someone else to develop a threat at least as bad as what we currently face (which is what you insisted would happen or worse if the current nuclear powers gave up their nukes) they would *ALSO* need to develop thousands of nukes.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2019 at 8:10pm:



So they want the bomb and when Israel says it's not a good idea, Iran treats that as sabre rattling??  The ONLY country in that sea of Islamic fanaticism that could be wiped out by a single nuclear bomb is Israel. Not liking the prospect and push by Iran it is now sabre rattling. Very Musulman of you.

If Iran said to the US and Europe that it fears another sunni invasion - no fear of an Israeli invasion - and wants the West and the UN to guarantee its security against other Muslims and in exchange it would abandon its nuclear weapons program, everyone would be happy, Iran could trade and interact with the world. The Ayatollas would be overthrown withing a few months, of course  - and that's why they do not budge. Being made a pariah state suits the Ayatollas because they would not last without their excuses for repression. The Islamic revolution is a sad farce by now,  40 years on. 

What I find to be a consistent trait in all your arguments and positions is a deep-seated and reflexive dishonesty and propaganda BS. You can never take a step back from your conversion to Islam and the binds it has put on you. You have retained a critical eye for everything but Islam. When it comes to Islam you speak as if you have never had a Western education, never had any critical faculties. Because you cannot be critical of Islam, you are critical of EVERYONE else involved in any and all the affairs that touch on Islam. It's so obvious to everyone, probably you included. You are living a lie.

You make no mention of Hezbollah and all the other terrorists that Iran is financing and supporting, you make no mention of its hand in the Syrian civil war, in international terrorism. You always slant, dishonestly. It's very Muslim. 

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 6:24pm:


This is satire yes? It must be, for it would be impossible for you to not know that there is only one nuclear powered country in the region, and who it is.


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What I find to be a consistent trait in all your rantings (they can hardly be passed as 'arguments') is a singular refusal to engage in any of the actual detail of an opposing argument and simply use it as an excuse to do rattle off your same standard templated 'never ever' rant, that you apply in every situation - no matter how off point it is.

Case in point - I specifically mentioned Hezbollah in specific reference to a calculated strategy by Iran to maintain a continuous zone of influence from Iran to the Israeli border - one of the insurance policies Iran takes out against the very real existential threat posed by the only nuclear armed country in the region.

And I must say that my so called "reflexive dishonesty and propaganda BS" is nothing really out of sync with what mainstream media and commentators are saying all the time. It may shock you to know that most people don't see Iran and other 'enemies' of Israel as frothing-at-the-mouth zealots hell-bent on some twisted Allah-ordained jihad to wipe the jews from the planet. That would in fact be considered extreme and irrational. And yet thats exactly the scenario you and others here actually think is a reasonable assessment of the reality. And you have the spunk to portray me as the "blind" irrational one, incapable of critical thinking. What a joke!

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:



This is clearly a deliberately shifty and dishonest lie because you cannot possible so stupid as to really believe that Israel is an existential threat to its neighbours let alone Iran.   There is no Israeli policy for the destruction of Iran, for regime change, to change them from being Muslim or anything of the sort  - only robust self-defence in response to decades of Iranian insistence of wiping out Israel.
Hezb'allah also wants to wipe out Israel and it is Iran's client.

For you to turn that into an 'existential threat to Iran"  is a typical Muslims arse-over-elbow dishonesty. Kuffar and Jew want to defend themselves from jihad and won't Submit? Islamophobic existential threat!!!!!!

Where do you get off?

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