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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21530 Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #45 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:07pm Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:58pm: So it is AGW then That hasn't been proven. Once again you are conflating CO2 and AGW. It seems you should be metaphorically be used as a computer.
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Reply #47 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:17pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:07pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:58pm:

So it is AGW then

That hasn't been proven. Wink

Once again you are conflating CO2 and AGW.

It seems you should be metaphorically be used as a computer.

So when you asked who was arguing against AGW you already knew the answer ... it is you yourself. Grin

Meanwhile ... 400+ ppm post industrial revolution compared to 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution.

A jump 71 times faster than pre-industrial times going back 800,000 years.

33% higher than pre-industrial times.

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Reply #48 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:47pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:17pm:

So when you asked who was arguing against AGW you already knew the answer ... it is you yourself

Nope. I have said it was not proven. So sorry that you can't differentiate. Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Meanwhile ... 400+ ppm post industrial revolution compared to 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution.

A jump 71 times faster than pre-industrial times going back 800,000 years.

33% higher than pre-industrial times.

Yes petal. How much was natural; how much was anthropogenic?

Have you got your head around the fact that CO2 is not AGW yet? Grin

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #49 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:14pm How much? So you agree there is AGW happening. Are you like the person who thinks someone can be "a bit pregnant" though?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16758 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #50 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:18pm Ya know what? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that having atmospheric CO₂ 33% higher than at any time in the whole existence of the Human Species is probably not a good thing. Let's see if I'm right over the coming decades ...
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Reply #51 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:14pm:

So you agree there is AGW happening.

Nope I'm saying CO2 is going up. Haven't worked out the difference yet? Oh dear. Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:14pm:

Are you like the person who thinks someone can be "a bit pregnant" though?

is that person you? Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:18pm:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that having atmospheric CO2 33% higher than at any time in the whole existence of the Human Species is probably not a good thing.

Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years? Any concantenation to get the data to fit, as in Marcott's 300 year smoothing only longer on a longer time frame, make your assumption laughable. Grin

Do you have proof of that assertion? Wink

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Reply #52 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 6:35pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Ya know what?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that having atmospheric CO₂ 33% higher than at any time in the whole existence of the Human Species is probably not a good thing.

Let's see if I'm right over the coming decades ...

Lol, is that a fact? Grin

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Reply #53 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 6:52pm

What reason can be given for the 2 warm periods below?
There was no increase in CO2 before they occurred.

The warmest part of the Medieval Warm Period was from about 950 until 1100 A.D. The warm climate overlaps with a time of high solar activity called the Medieval Maximum. The Medieval Warm Period occurred before the Little Ice Age, a time of cool climate in Europe and other places around the world.

Roman Warm Period. The Roman Warm Period, or Roman Climatic Optimum, has been proposed as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to AD 400.

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Reply #54 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 6:52pm:

What reason can be given for the 2 warm periods below?
There was no increase in CO2 before they occurred.

The warmest part of the Medieval Warm Period was from about 950 until 1100 A.D. The warm climate overlaps with a time of high solar activity called the Medieval Maximum. The Medieval Warm Period occurred before the Little Ice Age, a time of cool climate in Europe and other places around the world.

Roman Warm Period. The Roman Warm Period, or Roman Climatic Optimum, has been proposed as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to AD 400.

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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years? Any concantenation to get the data to fit, as in Marcott's 300 year smoothing only longer on a longer time frame, make your assumption laughable. Grin

You backing the view of a guy who just said this ??? He ruled out any measurement from either of these periods ?

Funny he would do that when this is the thoroughly debunked line used by most climate change deniers (for want of a better term).

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Reply #55 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 6:52pm:

What reason can be given for the 2 warm periods below?
There was no increase in CO2 before they occurred.

The warmest part of the Medieval Warm Period was from about 950 until 1100 A.D. The warm climate overlaps with a time of high solar activity called the Medieval Maximum. The Medieval Warm Period occurred before the Little Ice Age, a time of cool climate in Europe and other places around the world.

Roman Warm Period. The Roman Warm Period, or Roman Climatic Optimum, has been proposed as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to AD 400.

Lee:

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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years? Any concantenation to get the data to fit, as in Marcott's 300 year smoothing only longer on a longer time frame, make your assumption laughable. Grin

You backing the view of a guy who just said this ??? He ruled out any measurement from either of these periods ?

Funny he would do that when this is the thoroughly debunked line used by most climate change deniers (for want of a better term).

It's you believers that have told us time after time that CO2 has been steady for how many years was it.

How then do you explain the warm and cool periods in the last few thousand years.

The only way it can be explained is CO2 influences temperature up to a certain point and not beyond, its called the logarithmic effect.

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Reply #57 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

You backing the view of a guy who just said this ??? He ruled out any measurement from either of these periods ?

Yes. palaeontological data says that. It doesn't have the necessary fineness to rule in or or small changes.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Funny he would do that when this is the thoroughly debunked line used by most climate change deniers (for want of a better term).

Perhaps you can give us a link to this "thoroughly debunked line"? barney seems unable.
The fact that you don't have a better term says more about you than me. Grin

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Reply #58 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 10:27pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

You backing the view of a guy who just said this ??? He ruled out any measurement from either of these periods ?

Yes. palaeontological data says that. It doesn't have the necessary fineness to rule in or or small changes.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Funny he would do that when this is the thoroughly debunked line used by most climate change deniers (for want of a better term).

Perhaps you can give us a link to this "thoroughly debunked line"? barney seems unable.
The fact that you don't have a better term says more about you than me. Grin

Well for a start you have clearly said that measurements for these periods have no validity ? Or is that only when you don't agree with what it shows. You are now clearly disagreeing with yourself.

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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years? Any concantenation to get the data to fit, as in Marcott's 300 year smoothing only longer on a longer time frame, make your assumption laughable. Grin

If you want to deny others the right to use data from these time periods by putting doubt on its validity why should you be allowed to do the same thing ?

Fact is that temperature in both these periods were high or low for known reasons that didn't relate to CO2 in the atmosphere. Nobody has ever said that CO2 is the only possible reason for high temperature and this argument is dependant on that clearly false assumption.

The medieval warm period was caused by increased solar radiation.

Little Ice age was caused by reduced sunspot activity coupled with an increase in active volcano eruptions.

The fact that you don't have a better term says more about you than me.

The term is relatively accurate but we could go for idiots if you prefer, I'd rather not.

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Reply #59 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 10:34pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 6:52pm:

What reason can be given for the 2 warm periods below?
There was no increase in CO2 before they occurred.

The warmest part of the Medieval Warm Period was from about 950 until 1100 A.D. The warm climate overlaps with a time of high solar activity called the Medieval Maximum. The Medieval Warm Period occurred before the Little Ice Age, a time of cool climate in Europe and other places around the world.

Roman Warm Period. The Roman Warm Period, or Roman Climatic Optimum, has been proposed as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to AD 400.

Lee:

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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years? Any concantenation to get the data to fit, as in Marcott's 300 year smoothing only longer on a longer time frame, make your assumption laughable. Grin

You backing the view of a guy who just said this ??? He ruled out any measurement from either of these periods ?

Funny he would do that when this is the thoroughly debunked line used by most climate change deniers (for want of a better term).

It's you believers that have told us time after time that CO2 has been steady for how many years was it.

How then do you explain the warm and cool periods in the last few thousand years.

The only way it can be explained is CO2 influences temperature up to a certain point and not beyond, its called the logarithmic effect.

https://i.ibb.co/RpGM5Nj/iceage-01.jpg

The point I was making is that you are supporting Lee's view but he has clearly stated that the numbers you have used have no value. Apparently accurate enough records only go back a 150 years or so.

But hold on it seems that he is now having 2 bob each way. Apparently the numbers are ok when used on his side of the argument.

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