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Reply #30 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm

Ajax's Graph 2 is unreliable on temperature since a reliable thermometer was not in use until the 1850's. Wink

However, it is of interest to see from your chart that CO₂ never got much above 300 ppm and a change from 200 to 300 took about 5,000 years.

However, it has gone from 300 to over 400 in only 70 years.

Doesn't that indicate to you that Man-made influence has dramatically accelerated the rise in CO₂?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #31 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:04pm The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:01pm: And once again Ajax spams us with his deceptive and thoroughly discredited graphs So seeing as they are so thoroughly discredited it shouldn't be too much of an ask for you to show proof.
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Reply #32 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:11pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Graph 2 is unreliable on temperature since a reliable thermometer was not in use until the 1850's.

That's why it is called a reconstruction. And you notice it was by Michael E Mann doyen of "Climate Science"^TM. And ignored the last 50 years of tree life and added thermometer records.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

However, it is of interest to see from your chart that CO2 never got much above 300 ppm and a change from 200 to 300 took about 5,000 years.

That relies on Ice Core Data. which ignores plant stomata data. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Doesn't that indicate to you that Man-made influence has dramatically accelerated the rise in CO2?

Who has argued CO2 hasn't increased due to man's influence? Shoot the bugger.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #33 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:15pm Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 11:48am: AND? ... It's not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Wink CO2 UP, Temperature UP, Arctic Ice cover DOWN, Ice-Sheets melting, Sea Level UP. Obviously too you it is as good as.
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Reply #34 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:18pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:11pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Graph 2 is unreliable on temperature since a reliable thermometer was not in use until the 1850's.

That's why it is called a reconstruction. And you notice it was by Michael E Mann doyen of "Climate Science"^TM. And ignored the last 50 years of tree life and added thermometer records.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

However, it is of interest to see from your chart that CO2 never got much above 300 ppm and a change from 200 to 300 took about 5,000 years.

That relies on Ice Core Data. which ignores plant stomata data. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Doesn't that indicate to you that Man-made influence has dramatically accelerated the rise in CO2?

Who has argued CO2 hasn't increased due to man's influence? Shoot the bugger.

Who has argued CO₂ hasn't increased due to man's influence?

Why, the very title of this thread makes that claim! Wink

BTW ... how do you explain the massive jump from 300 ppm to over 400 ppm in only 70 years .... when prior to the industrialization of the planet, the figure hasn't got much above 300 as seen by the Chart 2 data?

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Reply #35 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:20pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 11:51am:

8 degrees was a typo on my part. It should read 4 degrees

Did you read the part that said - "Based on climate action pledges by UN member countries". China and India are UN member countries. China has a free pass until at least 2030. India has said it will do what is in the best interest of India.

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Reply #36 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:18pm:

Why, the very title of this thread makes that claim!

Actually no it doesn't. You are confusing a statement on AGW and increasing CO2.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:18pm:

BTW ... how do you explain the massive jump from 300 ppm to over 400 ppm in only 70 years .... when prior to the industrialization of the planet, the figure hasn't got much above 300 as seen by the Chart 2 data?

You do have comprehension issues don't you?

Burning of fossil fuels for one is a sign of man's influence. Of course there are other natural factors. Temperature increases, for whatever reason, mean oceans outgas more CO2. During the LIA the low CO2 rate led to crop shortages. Which led to starvation. You do understand the term CO2 starvation?

And now some people want to go back to pre-industrial levels of CO2. Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:32pm

Exactly, burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO₂ atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.

Case closed I venture. Wink

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Reply #38 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:38pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Exactly, burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO2 atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.

Case closed I venture.

Exactly wrong. Once again you are confusing CO2 and any AGW. How did they separate the AGW component from the natural component? You need at least two known parameters to determine a third.

And again ignore plant stomata data. Wink

How to determine man's influence versus greening of the planet?

You really suck at logic, don't you. Like that rocket science - a bridge too far. Grin

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Reply #39 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:41pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:18pm:

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:11pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Graph 2 is unreliable on temperature since a reliable thermometer was not in use until the 1850's.

That's why it is called a reconstruction. And you notice it was by Michael E Mann doyen of "Climate Science"^TM. And ignored the last 50 years of tree life and added thermometer records.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

However, it is of interest to see from your chart that CO2 never got much above 300 ppm and a change from 200 to 300 took about 5,000 years.

That relies on Ice Core Data. which ignores plant stomata data. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Doesn't that indicate to you that Man-made influence has dramatically accelerated the rise in CO2?

Who has argued CO2 hasn't increased due to man's influence? Shoot the bugger.

Who has argued CO₂ hasn't increased due to man's influence?

Why, the very title of this thread makes that claim! Wink

BTW ... how do you explain the massive jump from 300 ppm to over 400 ppm in only 70 years .... when prior to the industrialization of the planet, the figure hasn't got much above 300 as seen by the Chart 2 data?

Are you blaming manmade emissions for all the increase in CO2 since the industrial revolution......????

Go back to the first page you will see that the rate of increase in CO2 per year follows what the natural CO2 path rather than what man is sending up into the atmosphere.

We contribute but because the Earth has warmed since the LIA the increase in natural CO2 totally eclipses what we send up and we have tripled our emissions since 2000 yet the steady rise of atmospheric CO2/year still follows natural CO2 emissions..... Kiss

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Reply #40 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:38pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Exactly, burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO2 atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.

Case closed I venture.

Exactly wrong. Once again you are confusing CO2 and any AGW. How did they separate the AGW component from the natural component? You need at least two known parameters to determine a third.

And again ignore plant stomata data. Wink

How to determine man's influence versus greening of the planet?

You really suck at logic, don't you. Like that rocket science - a bridge too far. Grin

How do you explain the massive acceleration of CO₂ into the atmosphere (post industrial revolution) if it isn't Human activity?

From 300 ppm pre-industrialization to over 400 ppm post-industrialization.

To say that it is "natural" is absurd, even for you. Grin

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Reply #41 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:28pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm:

How do you explain the massive acceleration of CO2 into the atmosphere (post industrial revolution) if it isn't Human activity?

Cognitive dissonance AGAIN?

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm:

Burning of fossil fuels for one is a sign of man's influence. Of course there are other natural factors. Temperature increases, for whatever reason, mean oceans outgas more CO2.

Greening of the planet means more CO2. More plants more CO2.

"New research suggests plants could be releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than previously thought."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-18/plant-respiration-co2-findings-anu-canber...

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 12:46pm:

To say that it is "natural" is absurd, even for you.

I didn't say it was ALL natural. Grin

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8452 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #42 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:30pm lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:28pm: ... I didn't say it was ALL natural. Ooh! A chink in your armour at last! It ain't 'alf hot in here!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #43 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:30pm: Ooh! A chink in your armour at last! What a dick. Where have I said anything else?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8452 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate Change NO Anthropogenic Global Warming.! Reply #44 - Dec 2^nd, 2018 at 1:58pm So it is AGW then! Good-oh Carry on.
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