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Dec 2nd, 2018 at 7:20am
 
I am just wondering why? Why would there be a "conspiracy" to convince ppl theres climate change if there isnt? I can see why ppl dont want it to be true but why would anyone want it to be true?

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This thread isnt about whether its true or not just the reasoning

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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 9:32am
 
The reason given is that there is a massive global conspiracy involving NASA, The BOM, The Met among other scientific organisations and it is apparently due to wanting to increase government research grants.

It sure is lucky that internet bloggers, conservative political commentators and resource billionaires are holding them to account.  Wink
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 10:08am
 
Quote:
“International carbon markets will cover billions of consumers this decade. Ask the bankers at your table whether they want Australia to clip that ticket.

We’re going to help them get their share." Julia Gillard


http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/speech-business-council-australia-dinner


World Bank
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-04/08/content_24371651.htm

Bank of America
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[urlhttp://about.bankofamerica.com/en-us/global-impact/environmental-sustainability.html#fbid=DwZcfXoVYeL[/url]

European Investment Bank
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http://www.eib.org/infocentre/press/releases/all/2015/2015-204-european-investme...

Australian Banks
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http://www.accr.org.au/big_banks

Five Multilateral development banks pledge $170 billion over next five years
Ahead of the 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference, or COP21, five multilateral development banks (MDBs) have pledged to increase climate financing to US$170 billion over the next five years.[/b]

http://www.pv-magazine.com/archive/articles/beitrag/5-mdbs-pledge-170-billion-in...
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 10:14am
 
Blythe Masters wrote the laws on Credit Default Swaps which were responsible for the 2008 GFC.

She is also writing the laws on Carbon Derivatives.

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Copenhagen’s Hidden Agenda: The Multibillion Trade in Carbon Derivatives

Architect of Credit Default Swaps behind the Development of "Carbon Derivatives"


As I have previously shown, speculative derivatives (especially credit default swaps) are a primary cause of the economic crisis.

And I have pointed out that (1) the giant banks will make a killing on carbon trading, (2) while the leading scientist crusading against global warming says it won’t work, and (3) there is a very high probability of massive fraud and insider trading in the carbon trading markets.

Now, Bloomberg notes that the carbon trading scheme will be centered around derivatives:


The banks are preparing to do with carbon what they’ve done before: design and market derivatives contracts that will help client companies hedge their price risk over the long term. They’re also ready to sell carbon-related financial products to outside investors.

[Blythe] Masters says banks must be allowed to lead the way if a mandatory carbon-trading system is going to help save the planet at the lowest possible cost. And derivatives related to carbon must be part of the mix, she says. Derivatives are securities whose value is derived from the value of an underlying commodity — in this case, CO2 and other greenhouse gases…

Who is Blythe Masters?

She is the JP Morgan employee who invented credit default swaps, and is now heading JPM’s carbon trading efforts. As Bloomberg notes (this and all remaining quotes are from the above-linked Bloomberg article):


Masters, 40, oversees the New York bank’s environmental businesses as the firm’s global head of commodities…

As a young London banker in the early 1990s, Masters was part of JPMorgan’s team developing ideas for transferring risk to third parties. She went on to manage credit risk for JPMorgan’s investment bank.

Among the credit derivatives that grew from the bank’s early efforts was the credit-default swap.

Some in congress are fighting against carbon derivatives:


“People are going to be cutting up carbon futures, and we’ll be in trouble,” says Maria Cantwell, a Democratic senator from Washington state. “You can’t stay ahead of the next tool they’re going to create.”

Cantwell, 51, proposed in November that U.S. state governments be given the right to ban unregulated financial products. “The derivatives market has done so much damage to our economy and is nothing more than a very-high-stakes casino — except that casinos have to abide by regulations,” she wrote in a press release…

However, Congress may cave in to industry pressure to let carbon derivatives trade over-the-counter:


The House cap-and-trade bill bans OTC derivatives, requiring that all carbon trading be done on exchanges…The bankers say such a ban would be a mistake…The banks and companies may get their way on carbon derivatives in separate legislation now being worked out in Congress…

Financial experts are also opposed to cap and trade:


Even George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator, says money managers would find ways to manipulate cap-and-trade markets. “The system can be gamed,” Soros, 79, remarked at a London School of Economics seminar in July. “That’s why financial types like me like it — because there are financial opportunities”…

Hedge fund manager Michael Masters, founder of Masters Capital Management LLC, based in St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands [and unrelated to Blythe Masters] says speculators will end up controlling U.S. carbon prices, and their participation could trigger the same type of boom-and-bust cycles that have buffeted other commodities…

The hedge fund manager says that banks will attempt to inflate the carbon market by recruiting investors from hedge funds and pension funds.

“Wall Street is going to sell it as an investment product to people that have nothing to do with carbon,” he says. “Then suddenly investment managers are dominating the asset class, and nothing is related to actual supply and demand. We have seen this movie before.”

Indeed, as I have previously pointed out, many environmentalists are opposed to cap and trade as well. For example:


Michelle Chan, a senior policy analyst in San Francisco for Friends of the Earth, isn’t convinced.

“Should we really create a new $2 trillion market when we haven’t yet finished the job of revamping and testing new financial regulation?” she asks. Chan says that, given their recent history, the banks’ ability to turn climate change into a new commodities market should be curbed…

“What we have just been woken up to in the credit crisis — to a jarring and shocking degree — is what happens in the real world,” she says…

Friends of the Earth’s Chan is working hard to prevent the banks from adding carbon to their repertoire. She titled a March FOE report “Subprime Carbon?” In testimony on Capitol Hill, she warned, “Wall Street won’t just be brokering in plain carbon derivatives — they’ll get creative.”

Yes, they’ll get “creative”, and we have seen this movie before …an inadequately-regulated carbon derivatives boom will destabilize the economy and lead to another crash.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/copenhagen-s-hidden-agenda-the-multibillion-trade-i...

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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 10:18am
 
The World Bank is immersed in Climate change....!!!!

Wonder why boys and girls....???????

BTW the world bank owns the United nations which in turn own the IPCC.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/climatechange/overview

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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:32pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:24pm:


The sky is falling, the sea will swallow us up...help...... Cheesy

The only panacea is to pay the George Soros and the Rothschild's of this world for the air we breathe through the stock exchange.

Every nation must pay these f@rkers billions of dollars through the stock exchange.

This is our salvation.

Don't forget to buy,

David de Rothschild 'Global Warming Survival Handbook'


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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
Is that the Arctic that was supposed to have melted by 2008, 2013, 2016, 2018? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO2 atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.

Meanwhile ... the Greenland Ice Sheets and the Antarctic Ice Sheets are losing mass at an alarming rate. The Arctic Ice extent is getting smaller and smaller as the global temperature rises. Sea levels are rising and low lying populations will eventually be inundated during storm tides.

Those people are going to have to find new places to live.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO2 atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.

Meanwhile ... the Greenland Ice Sheets and the Antarctic Ice Sheets are losing mass at an alarming rate. The Arctic Ice extent is getting smaller and smaller as the global temperature rises. Sea levels are rising and low lying populations will eventually be inundated during storm tides.

Those people are going to have to find new places to live.

Fun isn't it?  Shocked




September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

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May 1947 - arctic melting

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&sea...

November 1922 - arctic melting

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:48pm
 
And it's still melting ...

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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:48pm:
And it's still melting ...

https://i.imgur.com/oXTHiOk.jpg


A natural cycle perhaps as the Earth cools and warms.. Wink

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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
Your "natural cycle" has not seen CO2 much over 300 ppm over the last 800,000 years at least.

Then, surprise surprise ... after the industrial revolution, it suddenly jumps from about 300 ppm to over 400 ppm.

What a co-incidence eh?  Wink
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