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Reply #45 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 1:36pm
 
The shrunken head of the troll appears again. Hangs around like a bad smell. Wonder why she doesn't stay in her own rubbish threads ?
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Reply #46 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:44am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 8th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
The shrunken head of the troll appears again. Hangs around like a bad smell. Wonder why she doesn't stay in her own rubbish threads ?


because I want to do you slowly socko Wink
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Reply #47 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:22am
 
The malfunctioning shrunken brain in the shrunken head of the squishy troll that hangs around like a bad smell is obviously affected by Global Warming.

As the overheating malfunctioning shrunken brain of the despised troll is incapable of any intelligent output the repulsive thing resorts to profane personal abuse.

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Reply #48 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:23am
 
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These Tesla S heaps don't stop very well do they even with crummy regen braking.



The whinging from a sorry Tesla owner.


Why shouldn't I buy a Tesla Model S?    (Because they are an unsafe pile of junk ?)


I won't dwell on the ear-flattening acceleration, nor the magic-carpet ride and handling, nor the mesmerizing 17-inch touch screen controls.

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Those features have been exhaustively  analyzed and reported by far more expert authorities than I.

I'll just say that I was expecting a world-class cutting-edge luxury sport sedan, and that's just what Tesla Motors [NSDQ:TSLA] delivered.

But there have also been a few things I didn't expect.

Here are some of the little surprises--good and bad--that I've noticed in the Model S so far.


Vanishing regen

One of the joys of electric driving is regenerative braking.  Lift your foot off the "gas" pedal, and the car slows aggressively as the drive motor turns into a generator and sends current back into the battery.

Strong regen is not only energy-efficient, but also gives the car a sporty, responsive feel, like engine braking in a  gas car in a low gear.  Electric-car drivers call it "one-pedal driving." With strong regen, you'll hardly ever touch the brake.

Different electric cars have different levels of regen.  The gentle Nissan Leaf is designed to feel like a standard car [but has two different settings for Regen, D and ECO].

The Chevy Volt has two regen settings, one that mimics conventional gasoline cars, and a second stronger one that allows for one-pedal driving. (I drive my Volt in this "L" mode virtually 100 percent of the time.)

Tesla's first car, the two-seat Roadster, had particularly strong regen, a popular feature with its performance-oriented owners.

The Model S, like the Volt, has two settings: Low, which mimics conventional cars, and Standard, which follows in the one-pedal tradition of the Roadster.

I was eagerly anticipating  the same sporty, responsive regen feel that had hooked me in the Volt.

Not so much, it turns out.

To my surprise,  regenerative braking in the Model S virtually disappears when the battery is cold. Starting out on a winter's day, it feels disappointingly like any old ICE car--even with the regen on the highest setting.

As the battery warms, the regen gradually increases. But it can take a maddeningly long time to get back to the max level.

Model S vs Volt

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On a sunny 40-degree day last week, it took almost 25 miles of driving for full regen to come back. On my typical shorter trips around town, I never get it back. I'd guess that overall, perhaps only a third of my driving so far has had full regen available.

Blame the Model S battery management system, which is programmed to limit the charge rate when the battery is cold.

Under normal circumstances, abruptly backing off the gas pedal at high speed can send a jolt of up to 60 kW into the Model S battery. Tesla engineers believe such bursts of charge are not healthy for cold batteries, and therefore limit regen accordingly.

The Model S has a dashboard dial that shows exactly how much regen current is flowing back into the battery at any given moment.  Its maximum reading is 60 kW.

When regen is limited, a dotted line appears on the dial, and the  meter won't go beyond it. On a cold day, the dotted line starts out at around the 15-kW mark and gradually moves up to the 60-kW level before disappearing altogether when the battery reaches its normal operating temperature.

By contrast, the Chevy Volt's regen is unaffected by temperature. It's the same sporty feel, winter or summer. Apparently Chevy engineers don't see a problem with high charge rates for cold batteries.

Do they know something Tesla engineers don't? Or vice versa?
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Reply #49 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:29am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:22am:
The malfunctioning shrunken brain in the shrunken head of the squishy troll that hangs around like a bad smell is obviously affected by Global Warming.

As the overheating malfunctioning shrunken brain of the despised troll is incapable of any intelligent output the repulsive thing resorts to profane personal abuse.



the only thing conking out is you socko Cheesy :LOL
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Reply #50 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:41am
 
The malfunctioning missing brain of the repulsive troll is short circuiting as the troll overheats from Global Warming.

Hope troll's breeding rates don't increase like rats due to Global Warming.
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Reply #51 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:29am
 
Like its unsafe overheating Tesla cars TESLA itself is conking out and heading towards bankruptcy.


Yes. Tesla is hugely loss making, their latest financial statement is due Feb 2018, that will say HOW lossmaking, but the number will be big!

Tesla is failing. They are burning through cash FAST. They have a great product, one that could genuinely change the world, and huge customer demand. But they have production problems that to-date they have failed to solve.

Currently (Jan 2018) Tesla is failing to manufacture even 1,000 units a month, and there are serious quality issues with the units they are producing.

For comparison: Volkswagen produce 10,000,000 cars a year.

The smoke and mirrors about hypercars and semi-trucks is very concerning indeed, because Tesla are spending time and money on “window dressing” when their core function is failing.
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Reply #52 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 9:10am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:29am:
Like its unsafe overheating Tesla cars TESLA itself is conking out and heading towards bankruptcy.


Yes. Tesla is hugely loss making, their latest financial statement is due Feb 2018, that will say HOW lossmaking, but the number will be big!

Tesla is failing. They are burning through cash FAST. They have a great product, one that could genuinely change the world, and huge customer demand. But they have production problems that to-date they have failed to solve.

Currently (Jan 2018) Tesla is failing to manufacture even 1,000 units a month, and there are serious quality issues with the units they are producing.

For comparison: Volkswagen produce 10,000,000 cars a year.

The smoke and mirrors about hypercars and semi-trucks is very concerning indeed, because Tesla are spending time and money on “window dressing” when their core function is failing.


So Tesla is the only car that has ever overheated. A regular occurrence with fossil fool cars socko. Try again Cheesy LOL

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Reply #53 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 9:32am
 
It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.
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Reply #54 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 9:48am
 
There's a thread all about you socko. Seems everyone else is pissed off with you socko. Better start learning to debate issues instead of copying and pasting or hurling abuse at other posters.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1541458470
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Reply #55 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:35am
 
It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.
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Reply #57 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:07pm
 
It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.

Sad but true. The muddled workings of her simple child's mind are tragic to behold.
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Reply #59 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Are trolls a genetic aberration of the human race ? Evolution anomaly ?


Tesla engineers warn Model 3 batteries could catch fire
January 26, 2018 John Paul Hampstead

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The future of the Tesla Semi dim sims

Yesterday CNBC reported that a number of current and former Tesla employees have confirmed that Model 3 productions problems are deeper and more persistent than has been previously reported or acknowledged by the company in its last earnings call.

When in the past Tesla CEO Musk has tried to minimize the depths of ‘production hell’ at the Gigafactory, he pointed to specific, limited issues like a last minute rewrite of battery software to explain hangups in production. Yesterday’s reports, however, identified more widespread problems, ranging from hand-assembled batteries to hiring temp workers with no automotive experience to perform quality control.

Responding to concerns about the company’s reliance on unqualified temps, a Tesla spokesperson wrote that “We’ve been able to teach new skills to thousands of new employees.” Tesla stock has dropped 5% since reaching its peak on Jan 23rd.

Most startling were the claims by 2 engineers that Model 3 lithium ion batteries were being assembled by hand so hastily—borrowed Panasonic employees were “slapping bandoliers together as fast as they possibly could”—sometimes without adequate gaps between the cells. If separate battery cells touched, the engineers warned, the battery could short-circuit or even catch fire.

“The implication that Tesla would ever deliver a car with a hazardous battery is absolutely inaccurate, contrary to all evidence, and detached from reality,” a Tesla spokesperson wrote in response. “Every battery in a Tesla vehicle has thousands of cells, the vast majority of which are at the same voltage potential as neighboring cells. Hypothetically, even if two cells of the same voltage potential were touching, there would be absolutely zero impact, safety or otherwise – it would be as if two neutral pieces of metal touched,” the spokesperson continued. The Tesla representative went on to describe the safety and quality checks performed in Tesla’s battery production process.

Model 3 batteries are still being assembled by hand at Tesla’s Nevada Gigafactory because the machines that would automate that process are still being completed. Early last year, Tesla made a controversial decision to skip the soft-tooling prototype stage of car production that would have allowed the company to adjust and calibrate its machines before the final versions were ordered. At the time, Elon Musk argued that skipping soft-tooling would allow the Model 3 to reach full production more quickly, but the opposite has proven true. One Tesla engineer said that even today, “There's no redundancy, so when one thing goes wrong, everything shuts down.” Tesla is still not close to mass-producing the battery for its basic $35k Model 3.

Of course, we know that Tesla doesn’t actually want to sell the base model because they’ve said they’re prioritizing the higher-spec models—the least expensive car they’re offering is priced at $49k. “While I've no doubt that Tesla will eventually work out its Model 3 production problems,” said Mark Spiegel of Stanphyl Capital, “the base model will cost Tesla at least mid-$40,000s to build. The company will never deliver more than a token few for less than the current $49,000 lowest-cost offering. Sales will hugely disappoint relative to expectations of over 400,000 a year. And even at those higher prices Tesla will never come anywhere close to its promised [profitability].” Stanphyl Capital has taken a large short position against Tesla stock, representing about 15% of Stanphyl’s assets under management. Spiegel clarified that he doesn’t expect Tesla stock to decline linearly, but instead views the company as a landmine that could explode at any moment with “company-killing news”, and he wants to make sure that he has a large short position when the inevitable happens.

For his part, Musk told the New York Times that, “I actually see the potential for Tesla to become a trillion-dollar company within a 10-year period.”

But what do the Model 3’s seemingly insurmountable production issues mean for the Tesla Semi? Tesla’s arduous pursuit of profitability will only be encumbered by an additional multi-billion dollar investment in completely new truck manufacturing lines. The carmaker is already more than $8B in debt and would have to raise additional capital to begin truck manufacturing—far more money than what Tesla has already collected from pre-order deposits. Even though a Tesla Semi was spied on the road in Santa Clara, the array of other issues Tesla is currently facing make it difficult to imagine mass production of the Semi by 2019.

Thus: Tesla is having trouble mass producing the Model 3 and only has a hope of making a profit on the most expensive $49k higher spec version. A car at that price is much less competitive in the mass market than a car selling for $35k. If Tesla is forced to commit to the high end version of the Model 3, it will not meet its sales targets of 400k units in 2018 and will continue losing market share to its competitors. Where does the money to invest in the Semi come from in that scenario?

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/2018/1/26/tesla-engineers-warn-model-3-batteri...
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