Ajax wrote on Oct 21
st, 2018 at 9:41am:
Quote:King James Bible
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Quote:“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mahatma Gandhi
Don't kid yourself Ajax.
Both Jesus and John the Baptist, and scripture,
underline the fact, that God's forgiveness of sins, is dependent upon
personal repentance for wrongdoing, and upon an effort to change our ways.
Jesus message was, 'SINNERS REPENT'.
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began....to say,
Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him;
and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day,
and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 3:1
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
.....
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
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Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
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Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
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ARGUMENT;Those persons who are followers of ISLAM,
by definition, are 'regulated'
by the strictures of ISLAM [found within ISLAMIC law].
And, those who are followers of ISLAM, by definition, have in their hearts, an intention, to fight against, and to murder disbelievers,
precisely as the strictures of ISLAM, calls upon every follower of ISLAM to do.
n.b.
We know, that any moslem who publicly [within his community], disavows the strictures of ISLAM,
is shunned and can be seen, to have been 'excoriated' by his community.
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QUESTION;Are Christians commanded to, and do Christians have a religious obligation,
to forgive everyone
unconditionally, and to forgive, everyone,
without any qualification ?
e.g.
Are Christians commanded to, and do Christians have a religious obligation,
to forgive even persons who ARE unrepentant murderers, and persons who are planning-to-be
unrepentant murderers ?
AGAIN, what did Jesus and John the Baptist's words indicate ? [see above]
What does scripture [God's word] indicate ?
Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him,
Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
QUESTION;In the Christian orbit, who is identified as the 'target',
as the beneficiary, of God's forgiveness, for their error and for their sins ?
What does scripture [God's word] say ?
It is those who show repentance [to God], for their error and for their sins.