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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #195 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:17pm

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Way to miss the point Greg.

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?

Without any help from Islam, here in Australia, Aboriginal people and women weren't permitted to vote.

Moreover, same sex marriage was not permitted, and homosexual acts were illegal.

Is that the sort of freedom you're talking about FD?

I'm curious.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #196 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Way to miss the point Greg.

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?

Without any help from Islam, here in Australia, Aboriginal people and women weren't permitted to vote.

Moreover, same sex marriage was not permitted, and homosexual acts were illegal.

Is that the sort of freedom you're talking about FD?

I'm curious.

Do you want us to bring freedom to the past as well Greg?

Can you give a straight answer to a simple question, or just change the topic?

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #197 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Indeed it would be democracy. As history has shown us, civilizations go through periods of enlightenment and decadence; for i.e. the Greek civilization was at its high point during the period prior to Alexander the Great. After Alexander died, the integration of foreign peoples into his various kingdoms led to a period of decadence - the Greek language became less sophisticated, adapting to the local linguistical structures of the local cultures, etc.

Now here's the question: if the democracy you referred to led to a period of decadence in Australian society, would you be all right with that on your deathbed?

By "decadence", I assume you mean a general decline (leaving out the excessive indulgence in pleasure and luxury).

My question to you is, don't you think we're going through a period of decline right now?

If we choose to accept what democracy gives us today, we have to accept what it will bring tomorrow.

I think Western civilization is going through a period of decline.

So, my question: would you be happy to accept decriminalization of wife-beating if the democracy majority supported it? If it were the will of the people.

I wouldn't be happy, but I'd have to accept it.

I'm not happy with hundreds of laws in this country at the moment, that have absolutely nothing to do with Islam, but I have to accept them.

I'm not happy with the democratically elected government in this country, but I have to accept it.

The alternative is anarchy.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #198 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Way to miss the point Greg.

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?

Without any help from Islam, here in Australia, Aboriginal people and women weren't permitted to vote.

Moreover, same sex marriage was not permitted, and homosexual acts were illegal.

Is that the sort of freedom you're talking about FD?

I'm curious.

But they are now, aren't they? Under an Islamic state, women wouldn't be allowed to vote, and homosexuals would be jailed.

Would you support the evolution of Australian society toward such decadence?

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #199 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:21pm: