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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #180 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:50pm

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Greg wants dates and times Auggie. If you cannot answer his idiotic questions, Islam is the religion of peace.

No dates or times required.

Just details of exactly how our democracy will be affected.

Too much to ask?

I think "too stupid to ask" is a better description. But don't let that stop you.

You claim that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, yet you can't explain why.

Are there any other unsubstantiated claims you'd like to make?

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Reply #181 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:48pm

AUSTRALIAN TERRORIST THREATS

NATIONAL SECURITY HOTLINE 1800 123 400:

Currently, 26 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) •Al-Murabitun •Al-Qa'ida (AQ) •Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) •Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) •Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) •Al-Shabaab •Boko Haram •Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades •Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO) •Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan •Islamic State •Islamic State East Asia •Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya) •Islamic State Khorasan Province •Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai) •Jabhat al-Nusra •Jaish-e-Mohammad •Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh •Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA) •Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) •Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) •Lashkar-e Jhangvi •Lashkar-e-Tayyiba •Palestinian Islamic Jihad

&

EUROPOL TERRORISM

Terrorism

The overall terrorist threat to the security of the EUremains acute.

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters who travel to and from conflict zones.

Recent attacks in the EU demonstrate the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations in an effort to induce a high state of well-publicised terror.

The carefully planned attacks continue to demonstrate the elevated threat to the EU from an extremist minority, operationally based in the Middle East, combined with a network of people born and raised in the EU, often radicalised within a short space of time, who have proven willing and able to act as facilitators and active accomplices in terrorism.

Of the 12 trends identified in the latest TE-SAT, most related to jihadist terrorism. While there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.

GP should definitely contact Australian National Security and Europol and tell them they have got it all wrong.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #182 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:00pm

moses wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

AUSTRALIAN TERRORIST THREATS

NATIONAL SECURITY HOTLINE 1800 123 400:

Currently, 26 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) •Al-Murabitun •Al-Qa'ida (AQ) •Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) •Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) •Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) •Al-Shabaab •Boko Haram •Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades •Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO) •Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan •Islamic State •Islamic State East Asia •Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya) •Islamic State Khorasan Province •Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai) •Jabhat al-Nusra •Jaish-e-Mohammad •Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh •Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA) •Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) •Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) •Lashkar-e Jhangvi •Lashkar-e-Tayyiba •Palestinian Islamic Jihad

&

EUROPOL TERRORISM

Terrorism

The overall terrorist threat to the security of the EUremains acute.

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters who travel to and from conflict zones.

Recent attacks in the EU demonstrate the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations in an effort to induce a high state of well-publicised terror.

The carefully planned attacks continue to demonstrate the elevated threat to the EU from an extremist minority, operationally based in the Middle East, combined with a network of people born and raised in the EU, often radicalised within a short space of time, who have proven willing and able to act as facilitators and active accomplices in terrorism.

Of the 12 trends identified in the latest TE-SAT, most related to jihadist terrorism. While there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.

GP should definitely contact Australian National Security and Europol and tell them they have got it all wrong.

au contraire - they got it right.

Their report shows that the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

Only 16% of attacks are attributed to Jihadists.

You see, I was right all along.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #183 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

moses wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

AUSTRALIAN TERRORIST THREATS

NATIONAL SECURITY HOTLINE 1800 123 400:

Currently, 26 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) •Al-Murabitun •Al-Qa'ida (AQ) •Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) •Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) •Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) •Al-Shabaab •Boko Haram •Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades •Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO) •Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan •Islamic State •Islamic State East Asia •Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya) •Islamic State Khorasan Province •Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai) •Jabhat al-Nusra •Jaish-e-Mohammad •Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh •Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA) •Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) •Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) •Lashkar-e Jhangvi •Lashkar-e-Tayyiba •Palestinian Islamic Jihad

&

EUROPOL TERRORISM

Terrorism

The overall terrorist threat to the security of the EUremains acute.

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters who travel to and from conflict zones.

Recent attacks in the EU demonstrate the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations in an effort to induce a high state of well-publicised terror.

The carefully planned attacks continue to demonstrate the elevated threat to the EU from an extremist minority, operationally based in the Middle East, combined with a network of people born and raised in the EU, often radicalised within a short space of time, who have proven willing and able to act as facilitators and active accomplices in terrorism.

Of the 12 trends identified in the latest TE-SAT, most related to jihadist terrorism. While there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.

GP should definitely contact Australian National Security and Europol and tell them they have got it all wrong.

au contraire - they got it right.

Their report shows that the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

Only 16% of attacks are attributed to Jihadists.

You see, I was right all along.

so who's killed the most people?

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #184 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:16pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

moses wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

AUSTRALIAN TERRORIST THREATS

NATIONAL SECURITY HOTLINE 1800 123 400:

Currently, 26 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) •Al-Murabitun •Al-Qa'ida (AQ) •Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) •Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) •Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) •Al-Shabaab •Boko Haram •Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades •Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO) •Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan •Islamic State •Islamic State East Asia •Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya) •Islamic State Khorasan Province •Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai) •Jabhat al-Nusra •Jaish-e-Mohammad •Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh •Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA) •Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) •Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) •Lashkar-e Jhangvi •Lashkar-e-Tayyiba •Palestinian Islamic Jihad

&

EUROPOL TERRORISM

Terrorism

The overall terrorist threat to the security of the EUremains acute.

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters who travel to and from conflict zones.

Recent attacks in the EU demonstrate the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations in an effort to induce a high state of well-publicised terror.

The carefully planned attacks continue to demonstrate the elevated threat to the EU from an extremist minority, operationally based in the Middle East, combined with a network of people born and raised in the EU, often radicalised within a short space of time, who have proven willing and able to act as facilitators and active accomplices in terrorism.

Of the 12 trends identified in the latest TE-SAT, most related to jihadist terrorism. While there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.

GP should definitely contact Australian National Security and Europol and tell them they have got it all wrong.

au contraire - they got it right.

Their report shows that the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

Only 16% of attacks are attributed to Jihadists.

You see, I was right all along.

so who's killed the most people?

Did you read the report?

It's all there.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #185 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim Reply #186 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:03pm @GPeckery Can you tell us why only jihadists are listed as the main concern? Have Europol got that wrong?
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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #187 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Greg wants dates and times Auggie. If you cannot answer his idiotic questions, Islam is the religion of peace.

No dates or times required.

Just details of exactly how our democracy will be affected.

Too much to ask?

I think "too stupid to ask" is a better description. But don't let that stop you.

You claim that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, yet you can't explain why.

Are there any other unsubstantiated claims you'd like to make?

Of course I can explain why, but that is not what you were asking. As usual you were asking incredibly stupid questions, like demanding detailed predictions about the future.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #188 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Greg wants dates and times Auggie. If you cannot answer his idiotic questions, Islam is the religion of peace.

No dates or times required.

Just details of exactly how our democracy will be affected.

Too much to ask?

I think "too stupid to ask" is a better description. But don't let that stop you.

You claim that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, yet you can't explain why.

Are there any other unsubstantiated claims you'd like to make?

It's all in the reports, turd. Read the reports.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #189 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Greg wants dates and times Auggie. If you cannot answer his idiotic questions, Islam is the religion of peace.

No dates or times required.

Just details of exactly how our democracy will be affected.

Too much to ask?

I think "too stupid to ask" is a better description. But don't let that stop you.

You claim that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, yet you can't explain why.

Are there any other unsubstantiated claims you'd like to make?

Of course I can explain why, but that is not what you were asking. As usual you were asking incredibly stupid questions, like demanding detailed predictions about the future.

Good.

Please proceed.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #190 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #191 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Indeed it would be democracy. As history has shown us, civilizations go through periods of enlightenment and decadence; for i.e. the Greek civilization was at its high point during the period prior to Alexander the Great. After Alexander died, the integration of foreign peoples into his various kingdoms led to a period of decadence - the Greek language became less sophisticated, adapting to the local linguistical structures of the local cultures, etc.

Now here's the question: if the democracy you referred to led to a period of decadence in Australian society, would you be all right with that on your deathbed?

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #192 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Way to miss the point Greg.

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #193 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:11pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Indeed it would be democracy. As history has shown us, civilizations go through periods of enlightenment and decadence; for i.e. the Greek civilization was at its high point during the period prior to Alexander the Great. After Alexander died, the integration of foreign peoples into his various kingdoms led to a period of decadence - the Greek language became less sophisticated, adapting to the local linguistical structures of the local cultures, etc.

Now here's the question: if the democracy you referred to led to a period of decadence in Australian society, would you be all right with that on your deathbed?

By "decadence", I assume you mean a general decline (leaving out the excessive indulgence in pleasure and luxury).

My question to you is, don't you think we're going through a period of decline right now?

If we choose to accept what democracy gives us today, we have to accept what it will bring tomorrow.

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Re: Don't kid yourself Ahmadi moslems are not 'victim
Reply #194 - Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 4:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:43pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?

No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.

Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

Yes, at this point in time, it is.

How so?

Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.

What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.

Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.

Indeed it would be democracy. As history has shown us, civilizations go through periods of enlightenment and decadence; for i.e. the Greek civilization was at its high point during the period prior to Alexander the Great. After Alexander died, the integration of foreign peoples into his various kingdoms led to a period of decadence - the Greek language became less sophisticated, adapting to the local linguistical structures of the local cultures, etc.

Now here's the question: if the democracy you referred to led to a period of decadence in Australian society, would you be all right with that on your deathbed?

By "decadence", I assume you mean a general decline (leaving out the excessive indulgence in pleasure and luxury).

My question to you is, don't you think we're going through a period of decline right now?

If we choose to accept what democracy gives us today, we have to accept what it will bring tomorrow.

I think Western civilization is going through a period of decline.

So, my question: would you be happy to accept decriminalization of wife-beating if the democracy majority supported it? If it were the will of the people.

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