moses wrote on Oct 11^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:



You have not produced any proof that I have, "knowingly told an untruth," Moses.  Trot along, down to the little Kiddies' Playground, where your little friends will accept your bullshit.  Until you produce proof I have "lied" - "knowingly told an untruth," I will continue to challenge your views on Christianity.

As I have said, it is amazing how you have chosen to ignore your own Christ's instructions and the instructions in your Bible.  Such a devout Christian, hey?   

Auggie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:


No.





[the long answer....]


I do not specifically, encourage people to go to church.

I often encourage people i know, to read the bible.



Why should i 'follow men', when instead, i can let God teach me ?

'When i read the bible, God speaks to me. When i pray, i speak to God.'



And why would i let a man ['of God'], or anyone else, interpret the bible for me ?

He, the man ['of God'] has his own path [before God], and so do i !



I can read and write, and i can count to 10, and i know which way is up.

And, i read the bible.



The bible moves me.

The bible changes my mind.

And that spirit which is inside of me [that spirit which i have invited to abide with me], helps me to understand the words, that i read.
Revelation 3:20



Q.
Are the words in the bible, 'the words of God' ?

I believe it.

I believe that the words in the bible, are words, which were inspired by that being, that entity, which we 'identify' as God.



Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9  The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10  All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11  For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12  What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13  His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14  The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.


Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8  The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9  The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.





Almost all men in the world today choose to follow lawlessness [imo], as a means to prevail ['in the world'].

And, as a path that they are hoping will lead to the 'rejoicing of their heart' [i.e. happiness].

I choose to [imperfectly] seek God, my creator.



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Yadda said, somewhere.....
Quote:




John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:



You spineless, catpiss-soaked old hypocrite, you!!

You call on others to observe Christ's example to justify your own thrashing the very same thing.

Auggie wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 5:17pm:



That depends.

Who am i going to believe Auggie ?




Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.



"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [i.e. Mohammed] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."
Koran 33.021

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 11:15pm:


"And do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites but do not harm them, and rely upon Allah . And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
- Quran 33:48

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:47am:


Good question. I would say that this verse simply encourages ghettoization and not violence. You don't obey the disbelievers but neither do you act toward harming them (i.e. breaking their laws).

Auggie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:44am:



Auggie,

There are many variations of Koran texts, with both omissions, and apparent additional words in the texts.

33.48. And obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and harm them not (till you are ordered). And put your trust in Allah, and Sufficient is Allah as a Wakil (Trustee, or Disposer of affairs).
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/noble/sura33.html



and these three translations do not include the words, 'do not harm them'

033.048
YUSUFALI: And obey not (the behests) of the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and heed not their annoyances, but put thy Trust in Allah. For enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
PICKTHAL: And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk, and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.
SHAKIR: And be not compliant to the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and leave unregarded their annoying talk, and rely on Allah; and Allah is sufficient as a Protector.

The YUSUFALI, PICKTHAL, and SHAKIR translations, which i normally refer to, are sponsored/authorised by the MSA.
aka



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Auggie,

You quoted Koran 33.48,    which states/advises the believer, that people like myself should not be 'obeyed',
and,     that the believer should only depend upon Allah [as his will is revealed, in the inerrant Koran] to help the believer, in the conduct of the believers affairs.





Again i would ask you...
Who am i going to believe Auggie ?

i.e.
Which advice should i follow ?


1/
A book which advises that those who fear God and work righteousness are accepted by God ?

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.



Or the Koran ?

2/
A book which advises that,       i am not accepted by Allah       unless i obey a book [meaning, Allah] which/who urges me to fight and to kill, on Allah's behalf, [those who do not believe as i believe] ?

And that, to obey Allah, i must have no friends, among disbelievers.


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

Yadda wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 11:05am:


Yadda, as much as I can intellectually sympathize with your point, I just cannot in reality support any discrimination or detention of Muslims in Australia, no matter how many facts I read. It's just simply inhumane, and I could never bring myself to do it, or to support any such action.

The question I don't understand is how you can bring yourself to do it? There must be a degree of psychopathy in your thinking.