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Reply #30 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Sure one of the bible bashers here said something to that effect.
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Reply #31 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:25pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
A fact which you're desperate to hide is that muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims.

The tragedy of little muslims kids lives being put in danger, because their muslim parents are fleeing from muslims, who are following the teaching of muhammad.

Why do you always go on a tangent, instead of addressing the issue (islam) which caused these kids to be at sea with their parents?

Why are you running around talking about another religion which muslims claim is an evil corrupted religion?

islam is the problem.

Not Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, paganism, none of them are relevant in this situation.

The problem is islam, why do you prefer little kids lives be put at risk, rather than questioning the teachings of muhammad which caused this tragedy? 


Mmm, and there I was, discussing, at your request, Christianity and what Christians do to other Christians, Moses.  Yet, you have to turn it to a discussion about the group you have the most - Muslims.  Why?  Is it because you realise you're on shaky ground with their defence of Christianity?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.

So, lets get back to Christians killing other Christians, shall we or is that too hard a topic for you?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
A fact which you're desperate to hide is that muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims.

The tragedy of little muslims kids lives being put in danger, because their muslim parents are fleeing from muslims, who are following the teaching of muhammad.

Why do you always go on a tangent, instead of addressing the issue (islam) which caused these kids to be at sea with their parents?

Why are you running around talking about another religion which muslims claim is an evil corrupted religion?

islam is the problem.

Not Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, paganism, none of them are relevant in this situation.

The problem is islam, why do you prefer little kids lives be put at risk, rather than questioning the teachings of muhammad which caused this tragedy? 


Mmm, and there I was, discussing, at your request, Christianity and what Christians do to other Christians, Moses.  Yet, you have to turn it to a discussion about the group you have the most - Muslims.  Why?  Is it because you realise you're on shaky ground with their defence of Christianity?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.

So, lets get back to Christians killing other Christians, shall we or is that too hard a topic for you?    Roll Eyes


That's irrelevant, Brian. Moses wants to get to the source of the atrocities to uncover what Christians actually believe.

What did prophet Yeheshua say to do to thine enemies, Moses?
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Reply #33 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote:Reply #28 - Today at 11:45am

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Did Jesus not say to obey the (OT) Law?

May have changed the preaching—Jews are still awaiting their Messiah—but not adherence to the Laws. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Me explaining to a monk, wonders will never cease hey?

Anyhow J.M. I believe that Christians adopt to the following re the law:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Christians believe that Christ came to bring the law to a successful conclusion, he fulfilled it.

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

The law had a distinct time frame it was not eternal.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Christ was on the cross when He said that he had finished his work (to bring the law to a close).

The very last words He spoke were It is finished.
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Reply #34 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Reply #31 - Today at 1:25pm

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Mmm, and there I was, discussing, at your request, Christianity and what Christians do to other Christians, Moses.  Yet, you have to turn it to a discussion about the group you have the most - Muslims.  Why?  Is it because you realise you're on shaky ground with their defence of Christianity?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.

So, lets get back to Christians killing other Christians, shall we or is that too hard a topic for you?


Honesty a bit difficult for you Brian?

This came about by me saying in Reply #3 muslims flee muslims, then DonDeeHippy Reply #4 said Christians did flee Christians, then Reply #5 I said Christ didn't tell Christians to kill Christians, muhammad did tell muslims to kill muslims, then you in Reply #8 tried to avoid this statement by going into a rant about Christians killing people, you since then have been avoiding my original statement that Christ did not tell Christians to kill other Christians.

I then challenged you in Reply #9 with  **O.K. you tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians.**

The challenge still stands or are you going to try and change tack again?
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Reply #35 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:54pm
 
karnal wrote:Reply #32 - Today at 2:58pm

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What did prophet Yeheshua say to do to thine enemies, Moses?


5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Now this particular topic is about little muslim kids being put in deliberate danger by their muslim parents who are fleeing other muslims.

This has been going on since the inception of islam, so the question is how to do good to them?

My answer always has been to tell them the truth about the root cause of their problems (islam).

That is the best bit of love and goodness you can show them

Untill you and the others are honest about the evil in islam there will always be little muslim kids in mortal danger karnal.

Why do you prefer these perpetual islamic atrocities over simply being honest about the qur'an?
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Reply #36 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:49pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote: Reply #31 - Today at 1:25pm

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Mmm, and there I was, discussing, at your request, Christianity and what Christians do to other Christians, Moses.  Yet, you have to turn it to a discussion about the group you have the most - Muslims.  Why?  Is it because you realise you're on shaky ground with their defence of Christianity?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.

So, lets get back to Christians killing other Christians, shall we or is that too hard a topic for you?


Honesty a bit difficult for you Brian?

This came about by me saying in Reply #3 muslims flee muslims, then DonDeeHippy Reply #4 said Christians did flee Christians, then Reply #5 I said Christ didn't tell Christians to kill Christians, muhammad did tell muslims to kill muslims, then you in Reply #8 tried to avoid this statement by going into a rant about Christians killing people, you since then have been avoiding my original statement that Christ did not tell Christians to kill other Christians.

I then challenged you in Reply #9 with  **O.K. you tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians.**

The challenge still stands or are you going to try and change tack again?


You yourself admit you asked why Christians kill other Christians, Moses.  I have attempted to answer that question.  You have chosen to go haring off on a wild tangent, attacking Muslims.   Why are you avoiding the blame?   Roll Eyes

Moses, you are a literalist it appears.  Muslims must do what Mohammed told them to do, Christians must do what Christ told them to do.  No other interpretations are allowed it appears in your thinking.    Roll Eyes

Why then, you are Christian are not obeying Christ's instructions?  Why do you deny the 10 Commandments?   Why are you interpreting what Christ said, what God said?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:28pm
 
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You yourself admit you asked why Christians kill other Christians, Moses.  I have attempted to answer that question.  You have chosen to go haring off on a wild tangent, attacking Muslims.   Why are you avoiding the blame?


Oh well excuse me for asking but where did I ask why Christians kill other Christians? 

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Moses, you are a literalist it appears.  Muslims must do what Mohammed told them to do, Christians must do what Christ told them to do.  No other interpretations are allowed it appears in your thinking.


If you are to be member of a specified group that has certain prerequisites which detail the requirements to be a member, you must fit the bill so to speak.

Of course if you are to be a muslim you have to obey the teachings of muhammad.

If you are to be a Christian you must obey the teachings of Christ

This is standard procedure for anything not just religious organizations.

This interpretation crap is just excuses for people desperately trying to exonerate the evil in the qur'an.   

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Why then, you are Christian are not obeying Christ's instructions?  Why do you deny the 10 Commandments?   Why are you interpreting what Christ said, what God said?


Why am I interpreting? I read what a book says, taking into account that it may have a particular message it is trying to imply, (say for example there may be parables or it is meant to be seen as a spiritual message etc.)

There is no doubt that a large portion of the qur'an was preached by muhammad to urge muslims to rape torture and kill, it preaches hatred of non muslims.

There is  no doubt that the teachings of Christ never advocated rape torture and murder.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Muslims torturing and slaughtering other muslims in the 21st century, because they absolutely believe the filth in the qur'an gives them the right to do so.

While so called moderate muslims and their apologists try and tell us they have got it all wrong?

For goodness sake stop the excuses, get muslims to take responsibility for the evil stupidity and lies in the qur'an, that is the only way to ultimately find a peaceful solution to the problems of muslims committing atrocities in the name of allah.

The qur'an urges muslims to perpetrate the most horrendous iniquities imaginable, yet you keep trying to defend it.
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Reply #38 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:40pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
karnal wrote:Reply #32 - Today at 2:58pm

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What did prophet Yeheshua say to do to thine enemies, Moses?


5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Now this particular topic is about little muslim kids being put in deliberate danger by their muslim parents who are fleeing other muslims.

This has been going on since the inception of islam, so the question is how to do good to them?

My answer always has been to tell them the truth about the root cause of their problems (islam).

That is the best bit of love and goodness you can show them

Untill you and the others are honest about the evil in islam there will always be little muslim kids in mortal danger karnal.

Why do you prefer these perpetual islamic atrocities over simply being honest about the qur'an?


Thanks, Moses. Can I ask how your prophet recommended we show our Muslim brothers our love and forgiveness?

What did He ask His followers such as yourself to do if they should be struck in the face?

What did He ask His Father to do when they nailed Him to the cross?

Bless you.
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Reply #39 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:54pm
 
Reply #37 too deep for you karnal?
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Reply #40 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:57pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:54pm:
Reply #37 too deep for you karnal?


No thank you, Moses. I'm wondering about its practical implications. Do you think that when your prophet said to love them and pray for them, He really meant to ban them and kill them?

Do you think that when He said to bless those who curse you and do good to those who harm you, he meant something like this?

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What a pathetic excuse for a religion, founded on bloodshed, forever excusing atrocities committed by muslims in the name of the pagan moon god allah, by claiming they the muslim slaughterers were the victims.

Sick twisted leftard apologists spurring them on with their unremitting smokescreens lies and hatred. Cheering on islamic terrorism as it fits in perfectly with a leftards hatred of the joos, the great satan, the Christians, the whiteman, western civilization, decency and democracy.

Well the ancient people told us that evil has to run it's course in order for good to prevail.

So we have to put up with it for a while yet, till man eventually turns on the duo of evil, muzzies and the apologists.
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Reply #41 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Gee thankyou for your most devoted attention, I humbly pray that this answer will meet your unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

Most probably meant to get them to understand that the evil in the qur'an is the root cause of all their problems.
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Reply #42 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
Gee thankyou for your most devoted attention, I humbly pray that this answer will meet your unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

Most probably meant to get them to understand that the evil in the qur'an is the root cause of all their problems.


Sorry, Moses, prophet Yeheshua doesn't say that. He's quite clear on the point you raised.

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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.


Is there a translation problem here, or do you think perhaps that it doesn't meant what it says?
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Reply #43 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:24pm
 
Questions questions questions.

Is a zebra black with white stripes, or white with black stripes?

I mean it just never ends.

Oh well there's a couple of things that are unquestionable:

Right now muslims are killing other muslims because they know that allah want's them to.

It's a sad old world if you're a little muslim kid out in the ocean in mortal danger, because your muslim parents are fighting with other muslims.

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Reply #44 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:27pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
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You yourself admit you asked why Christians kill other Christians, Moses.  I have attempted to answer that question.  You have chosen to go haring off on a wild tangent, attacking Muslims.   Why are you avoiding the blame?


Oh well excuse me for asking but where did I ask why Christians kill other Christians? 


Here, Moses:

moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
O.K. you tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians.


Or do you deny typing that?   Roll Eyes

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Moses, you are a literalist it appears.  Muslims must do what Mohammed told them to do, Christians must do what Christ told them to do.  No other interpretations are allowed it appears in your thinking.


If you are to be member of a specified group that has certain prerequisites which detail the requirements to be a member, you must fit the bill so to speak.

Of course if you are to be a muslim you have to obey the teachings of muhammad.

If you are to be a Christian you must obey the teachings of Christ

This is standard procedure for anything not just religious organizations.

This interpretation crap is just excuses for people desperately trying to exonerate the evil in the qur'an.   


Yet, you refuse to obey the teachings of Christ.  Does that make you a non-Christian, Moses?

Have you forgotten the exhortation of Christ to, "love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you," (Matt 5:44).  You hate your enemies, you curse those that curse you, do no good and you do not pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, Moses.

Have you also forgotten the Christian belief in the 10 Commandments?  Tsk, tsk.

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Why then, you are Christian are not obeying Christ's instructions?  Why do you deny the 10 Commandments?   Why are you interpreting what Christ said, what God said?


Why am I interpreting? I read what a book says, taking into account that it may have a particular message it is trying to imply, (say for example there may be parables or it is meant to be seen as a spiritual message etc.)

There is no doubt that a large portion of the qur'an was preached by muhammad to urge muslims to rape torture and kill, it preaches hatred of non muslims.

There is  no doubt that the teachings of Christ never advocated rape torture and murder.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Muslims torturing and slaughtering other muslims in the 21st century, because they absolutely believe the filth in the qur'an gives them the right to do so.

While so called moderate muslims and their apologists try and tell us they have got it all wrong?

For goodness sake stop the excuses, get muslims to take responsibility for the evil stupidity and lies in the qur'an, that is the only way to ultimately find a peaceful solution to the problems of muslims committing atrocities in the name of allah.

The qur'an urges muslims to perpetrate the most horrendous iniquities imaginable, yet you keep trying to defend it.


Your problem, Moses is that you are a zealot.  You have ignored the intent of your Christ instead holding literally to the words he used to impart his message - just as Isamists have with the message of Mohammed.  You are their exact mirror image it appears.   You ignore the billions of Muslims who live innocent peaceful lives to focus exclusively on the tiny minority who are violent.   You cannot see the forest for the trees.   Roll Eyes
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