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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: Says it all Reply #15 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:06am moses wrote on Jul 6^th, 2018 at 5:49pm: Christ taught Christians to kill Christians, can you expand? Heres a page on it with quotes and references: http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/ Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad. Spot
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Reply #16 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 12:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:06am:

moses wrote on Jul 6^th, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Christ taught Christians to kill Christians, can you expand?

Heres a page on it with quotes and references:

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/

Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad.

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Jesus is God
God is perfect
so if u ignore Leviticus than jesus is saying he isn't perfect
so god isnt perfect ? Wink

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Reply #17 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:52pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote: Reply #15 - Today at 7:06am

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moses wrote Yesterday at 5:49pm:
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Christ taught Christians to kill Christians, can you expand?

Heres a page on it with quotes and references:

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/

Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad.

Spot

O.K. except the query was about Christ teaching Christians to kill Christians.

You quoted Leviticus which was spoken by Moses a couple of thousands years (give or take a few) before Christ ever existed.
Those ancient writings in the O.T. are part of what is called mosaic law.

Now jump forward two thousand years and Christ started his teachings.

What did He say about Mosaic law?

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

He put a time limit on the law, it finished with John the baptist.

Christian teachings took on an entirely different perspective to Judaism and mosaic law e.g.:

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

No man is justified by the law, it is obsolete / finished.

Therefore you did not give a reference to where Christ taught that Christians should kill Christians.

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Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:54pm

DonDeeHippy wrote: Reply #16 - Today at 12:04pm
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Jesus is God
God is perfect
so if u ignore Leviticus than jesus is saying he isn't perfect
so god isnt perfect ?

God is spirit, according to the Bible.

The kingdom of God is within You, according to the Bible.

You should worship in spirit and truth, according to the Bible.

Man is the image of God, according to the Bible.

Now my take on this is:

If man is the image of God then it stands to reason that God is the image of man.

So Gods become the mirror image of the persona proclaiming them.

Hence the requirement to worship in spirit and truth, so that your God is one of truth / righteousness.

The O.T. is the product of 48 Prophets & 7 Prophetesses, so naturally God will be the mirror image of the inner being of each of these people.

The N.T. is a portrayal of the teachings of Christ (who never preached violence, only love), by several different people from all walks of life.

Now to get to the crux of the topic on hand, the qur'an is the product of the words and teachings of one man only (muhammad)

So it stands to reason that allah and the qur'an are the mirror image of the inner being of muhammad

Who was muhammad? He was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer.

Hence the reason why The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

It certainly doesn't say to love and forgive the kafir, but there's heaps which say to rape torture and kill them.

The only way to stop the stupidity of muslims deliberately putting the lives of their children at risk, is to question the qur'an and purge the hate and evil in it.

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Reply #19 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:57pm

moses wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote: Reply #15 - Today at 7:06am

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moses wrote Yesterday at 5:49pm:
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Christ taught Christians to kill Christians, can you expand?

Heres a page on it with quotes and references:

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/

Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad.

Spot

O.K. except the query was about Christ teaching Christians to kill Christians.

You quoted Leviticus which was spoken by Moses a couple of thousands years (give or take a few) before Christ ever existed.
Those ancient writings in the O.T. are part of what is called mosaic law.

Now jump forward two thousand years and Christ started his teachings.

What did He say about Mosaic law?

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

He put a time limit on the law, it finished with John the baptist.

Christian teachings took on an entirely different perspective to Judaism and mosaic law e.g.:

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

No man is justified by the law, it is obsolete / finished.

Therefore you did not give a reference to where Christ taught that Christians should kill Christians.

Okay then so its okay to be gay now? And commit adultery?

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Reply #20 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 2:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote: Reply #20 - Today at 2:58pm

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Okay then so its okay to be gay now? And commit adultery?

Spot

As far as I know, most sensible people now understand that homosexuality is how some people are born.

With adultery I believe that most of society thinks that it is not something that should be advocated as the right way to live (particularly if there are kids involved, they don't like to see mum / dad splitting up), however people also understand that it happens from time to time.

Do you think differently?

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Says it all Reply #21 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:19pm Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 6^th, 2018 at 8:45pm: moses wrote on Jul 6^th, 2018 at 4:15pm: I'm pretty sure that the teachings of Christ don't tell his followers to kill each other. That's true, Moses. What did the prophet Yeheshua tell his followers to do to their enemies? Do you remember? Moses? Do you want to have a stab at this?
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Reply #22 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:35pm

Oh recommendations like: question the spirit of things, shun evil,don't take stupid risks, there's a lot of advice in the teachings of Christ, however he definitely never once told anyone to roll over and let their enemies kill them.

Now you're hanging all your hopes on one which says to love them, so that's o.k. you can love them, but you have to shun them if they're evil, you don't have to rollover and let them kill you, you don't have to be a total dickhead and put yourself in danger because of them.

You know he preached common sense.

Not like your beloved muslims' qur'an which time and time and time again tells them how allah hates the nonbeliever, how they are to torture and kill the apostates hypocrites and mischief makers.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Says it all Reply #23 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:53pm Quote: And commit adultery? Why not? "God" did. Ask Joseph who impregnated his (allegedly virgin) Mrs.
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Reply #24 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 6:59pm

moses wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:35pm:

Oh recommendations like: question the spirit of things, shun evil,don't take stupid risks, there's a lot of advice in the teachings of Christ, however he definitely never once told anyone to roll over and let their enemies kill them.

Now you're hanging all your hopes on one which says to love them, so that's o.k. you can love them, but you have to shun them if they're evil, you don't have to rollover and let them kill you, you don't have to be a total dickhead and put yourself in danger because of them.

You know he preached common sense.

Not like your beloved muslims' qur'an which time and time and time again tells them how allah hates the nonbeliever, how they are to torture and kill the apostates hypocrites and mischief makers.

Yes, Moses, but how did Jesus say one should treat thine enemy?

Do you want a multiple choice?

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Reply #25 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:03pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

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And commit adultery?

Why not? "God" did. Ask Joseph who impregnated his (allegedly virgin) Mrs.

Now now, the Virgin Mary was a child bride, Aussie. Mary was 12. Joseph was in his 90s.

They were different times, of course. We wouldn't want to judge the ancients by our own standards today, now would we?

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Reply #26 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:14pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

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And commit adultery?

Why not? "God" did. Ask Joseph who impregnated his (allegedly virgin) Mrs.

Now now, the Virgin Mary was a child bride, Aussie. Mary was 12. Joseph was in his 90s.

They were different times, of course. We wouldn't want to judge the ancients by our own standards today, now would we?

Of course not.

And........If Joseph was 90, how old was the cuckolding "God?" Actually......maybe not cuckolding. It seems he snuck in while poor old Joseph was busy carpentering.

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Reply #27 - Jul 7^th, 2018 at 8:29pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 7^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

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And commit adultery?

Why not? "God" did. Ask Joseph who impregnated his (allegedly virgin) Mrs.

Now now, the Virgin Mary was a child bride, Aussie. Mary was 12. Joseph was in his 90s.

They were different times, of course. We wouldn't want to judge the ancients by our own standards today, now would we?

Of course not.

And........If Joseph was 90, how old was the cuckolding "God?" Actually......maybe not cuckolding. It seems he snuck in while poor old Joseph was busy carpentering.

That's true, but at 90, I doubt he did much carpentry.

G_d is timeless.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Says it all Reply #28 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:45am Did Jesus not say to obey the (OT) Law? May have changed the preaching—Jews are still awaiting their Messiah—but not adherence to the Laws.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: Says it all Reply #29 - Jul 8^th, 2018 at 12:48pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 8^th, 2018 at 11:45am: Did Jesus not say to obey the (OT) Law? May have changed the preaching—Jews are still awaiting their Messiah—but not adherence to the Laws. Moses?
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