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European pillaging- we blame the weather and Islam
Nov 16^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

While spinelessly apologising for the genocide in the Congo during the late 19th and early 20th century:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

But you are counting the deaths caused by the diseases introduced by Arab traders as being caused by Europeans, right? Even though those Europeans actually went to signficant effort to cure and treat them, saving a lot of lives in the process?

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Yes Gandalf. I understand that as soon as you read "whitey is to blame" your brain went into autopilot. But the number of deaths you quoted and attributed to Europeans included deaths caused by both weather, and diseases introduced by Arabs that the Europeans were actually trying to treat and cure. Your inability to think for yourself on this point is not an argument.

Ah, of course, its all a big misunderstanding. King Leopold didn't invade the Congo in order to rape and pillage its natural resources to make a fortune - and in the process cause the death of millions of natives. No, in fact they went there as good samaritans to "treat and cure" the suffering caused by those hideous arabs - and the weather.

when asked to explain where he got 'weather' from, FD uses impeccable FD logic:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

It's a simple question Gandalf. What causes famine in Africa? Don't let wikipedia be a barrier to thinking for yourself now.

Just out of interest FD, do you still think that "famine in Africa" - when huge swathes of the male population are forcibly removed from farms across the country, and recruited for harvesting rubber for their European masters - shouldn't be blamed on the European occupiers, and is nothing but a bit of bad weather?

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Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 3:50pm

Oh, I know. It's interesting that FD promotes the superior health care in the Congo. This is backed up by a number of sources, including this one:

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Prior to independence from Belgium, the country had one of the best-regarded hospital systems on the continent - albeit one that was limited almost entirely to the white population.

General Hospital&item_type=topic

I mean, why can't we import such a system to Australia?

White pride, innit.

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Reply #2 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 12:39pm

Gandalf have you abandoned your rule about not starting new threads?

Do you still stand by this claim?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 11:03am:

It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history.

Also, regarding this:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:50am:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

Am I supposed to go back through your last 18 days of posts

You did that anyway FD, and you quoted just about everything except the one quote that mattered. Perhaps it wouldn't go for 18 days if you simply listened to what I said (and what you even requoted) in the first place.

Is this you saying you were wrong? And if so, how are we supposed to figure out which of your posts 'matter', and which ones are lies?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

While spinelessly apologising for the genocide in the Congo during the late 19th and early 20th century:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

But you are counting the deaths caused by the diseases introduced by Arab traders as being caused by Europeans, right? Even though those Europeans actually went to signficant effort to cure and treat them, saving a lot of lives in the process?

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Yes Gandalf. I understand that as soon as you read "whitey is to blame" your brain went into autopilot. But the number of deaths you quoted and attributed to Europeans included deaths caused by both weather, and diseases introduced by Arabs that the Europeans were actually trying to treat and cure. Your inability to think for yourself on this point is not an argument.

Ah, of course, its all a big misunderstanding...

Are you saying I am incorrect Gandalf? Or that the facts don't 'matter'?

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Reply #3 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 1:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

While spinelessly apologising for the genocide in the Congo during the late 19th and early 20th century:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

But you are counting the deaths caused by the diseases introduced by Arab traders as being caused by Europeans, right? Even though those Europeans actually went to signficant effort to cure and treat them, saving a lot of lives in the process?

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Yes Gandalf. I understand that as soon as you read "whitey is to blame" your brain went into autopilot. But the number of deaths you quoted and attributed to Europeans included deaths caused by both weather, and diseases introduced by Arabs that the Europeans were actually trying to treat and cure. Your inability to think for yourself on this point is not an argument.

Ah, of course, its all a big misunderstanding. King Leopold didn't invade the Congo in order to rape and pillage its natural resources to make a fortune - and in the process cause the death of millions of natives. No, in fact they went there as good samaritans to "treat and cure" the suffering caused by those hideous arabs - and the weather.

when asked to explain where he got 'weather' from, FD uses impeccable FD logic:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

It's a simple question Gandalf. What causes famine in Africa? Don't let wikipedia be a barrier to thinking for yourself now.

Just out of interest FD, do you still think that "famine in Africa" - when huge swathes of the male population are forcibly removed from farms across the country, and recruited for harvesting rubber for their European masters - shouldn't be blamed on the European occupiers, and is nothing but a bit of bad weather?

More obfuscation and sophistry. You are trying to use 19th Century colonialism to cloud the subject of fanatical Islam and its atrocities in the contemporary world. Of course, you have to do something to try to justify your silly infatuation with beliefs from the dark ages. Its cool though, you get to wear a turban and pretend to know something.

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Reply #4 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 2:47pm

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Are you saying I am incorrect Gandalf? Or that the facts don't 'matter'?

I'm saying you will go to any lengths to spinelessly apologise for, if not flat out deny European rape and pillage that caused the deaths of many millions.

But well done on avoiding your nonsense about famine being a synonym for drought and/or weather. Is it safe to say you are now abandoning your rubbish claim that I included deaths from "the weather" as part of the Congo Free State death toll?

Do you understand now how forcing farmers off their land en-masse - and recruiting them for rubber harvesting can cause famine - without any help from the weather?

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Reply #5 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Are you saying I am incorrect Gandalf? Or that the facts don't 'matter'?

I'm saying you will go to any lengths to spinelessly apologise for, if not flat out deny European rape and pillage that caused the deaths of many millions.

But well done on avoiding your nonsense about famine being a synonym for drought and/or weather. Is it safe to say you are now abandoning your rubbish claim that I included deaths from "the weather" as part of the Congo Free State death toll?

Do you understand now how forcing farmers off their land en-masse - and recruiting them for rubber harvesting can cause famine - without any help from the weather?

Excuse me, G, but you didn't answer FD's question. Is this you saying you were incorrect?

Perhaps you could include some more links on how Whitey turned the Congo into such a shining beacon of freedom, democracy and universal health care.

Enslaving and killing off the Nig Nogs must have made a good start, no?

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Reply #6 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

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Gandalf have you abandoned your rule about not starting new threads?

I agree, FD. It's most unfair of G to take your words out of context and put them in a new thread like this. After all, when you were praising Whitey for bringing the tinted races Freeeedom, you didn't mean it to say how superior the white race is. You just meant to show how awful the Muslim sub-species is.

Raping, pillaging, enslaving, spreading disease, denying them medical treatment - it's shocking, no?

Only your Muselman could do something as devious as that, yes?

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Reply #7 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 4:04pm

this site says in part

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Over 670 million non-Muslims massacred since the birth of Islam

To the total numbers we have updated over 80 million Christians killed by Muslims in 500 years in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia.

We are missing numbers on the Islamic genocide of Jews, a continuous goal in Islam for 1,400 years.

Then we have India the Muslim genocide of non-Muslims since the birth of Mohammed would be over 669 million murders.

Think the KKK has been bad since 1950?

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years

Think the KKK was bad from 1865-1965?

Islamists killed more Buddhists in Thailand since 9/11 than the KKK killed in the 100 YEARS from 1865 to 9165.

Think the IRA’s terror campaign and the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland was bad?

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland

Think capital punishment in the USA is barbaric?

The 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

[b]Africa
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.For every slave captured many others died.

So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa. 120 million Africans

Christians
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] .

A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad.

So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

59 million Christians in Asia Minorplus 80 million Christians killed by Muslims during 500 years in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia.

This calculation does not include the Arab biological warfare of the middle ages where enslaved and infected Jews, riddled with plague, were dumped across Europe in regions that had no Jewish origin or settlers. They carried the disease from the brutal Arab slave trade and were part of the enslaved blacks, Christians and Jews who managed to survive by paying jizya. These diseased people were then spread into Europe during muslim efforts to conquer the Italian coast (Venice), Greece, Spain, etc. The plague ended up killing half of the entire population of Europe]

Buddhists
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die.

Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India.

The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.] 10 million Buddhists

Plus Muslims have slaughtered 11 million other Muslims since 1948 in addition to the 669million+ non-Muslims they have murdered over the centuries. How many Muslims they have murdered over 1,400 years is unknown.
590,000,000: THAT’S WAY MORE THAN STALIN, HITLER, MAO, POL POT, IDI AMIN (a Sunni Muslim), AND THE REST OF THE 20TH CENTURY’S GENOCIDAL SOCIALISTS! AND IT DOESN’T STOP THERE. THE KILLING BY MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.

muslims slaughtered 100's of millions of innocent people in the last 1400 years and it's still going on today right now 2017

evil whitey runs a very poor second to the muslims in the cruelty and inhumanity stakes.

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continued on

then this site tells us in part

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According to John Laffin, black slaves were generally castrated ‘based on the assumption that the blacks had an ungovernable sexual appetite.’847 From India to Africa, eunuchs were specifically engaged in guarding the royal harems. They kept tab on the passage of men and women in and out of the seraglio and spied for the ruler on the harem women about their behaviour, infidelity in particular. Eunuchs were needed in their thousands to look after huge harems, probably the largest royal department in medieval Islamic kingdoms

Secondly, the castrated men, with no hope of a family or offspring to look forward to in their old age, were likely to show greater fidelity and devotion to the master in order to earn their favor and support when they grew old. The castrated slaves, devoid of sexual distractions, could also devote themselves exclusively to work relatively easily in the usually sexually-charged Islamic culture.

The third reason for the high demand for eunuchs was homosexual infatuation of many Muslim rulers, generals and nobles. Eunuchs, kept for carnal indulgence, also called ghilman, used to be handsome young boys. They used to wear ‘rich and attractive uniforms and often beautified and perfumed their bodies in effeminate fashion.’ The concept of ghilman comes from the following verses of the Quran, which describes heavenly male attendants (ghilman) in paradise:

◾‘Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.’ [Quran 52:24]
◾‘There wait on them immortal youths, with bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring.’ [Quran 56:17–18]

it becomes evident that the overwhelming majority of the black slaves of the Islamic world were castrated;

Quran 76:19
round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.

Apart from the horrific number of innocent black men and male children who died as a result of the muslim desire for men with no penis or testicles, the sheer filth and perversion of the muslim belief is evil and satanic to its' very depraved core.

then this site tells us

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Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

islam is a death cult right now today 2017, with core teachings of hatred and sexual perversion.

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Reply #10 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 5:04pm

Who could disagree with that, Moses? The Inquisition was all about Freeeeedom:

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To expel the vicious Islamic parasite from the nation the Tribunal killed anyone and everyone who were suspected of being contaminated by Islam, even those enslaved by the muslims.

The Inquisition not only hunted for Protestants and for false converts from Judaism among the conversos, but also searched for false or relapsed converts among the Moriscos [moors], forced converts from Islam. Many Moriscos were suspected of practising Islam in secret. They killed anyone suspected of being traitors or disguised moles. No one was spared.

So successful was the enterprise in 1609, in the space of months, Spain was emptied of its Moriscos. Expelled were the Moriscos of Aragon, Murcia, Catalonia, Castile, Mancha and Extremadura.

In other words, the Spanish inquisition saved the entire region from being taken over by Islamic rule. It was a brutal but quintessentially heroic act in history that saw the sacrifice of millions of people to exterminate Islam fully and completely from the land. It took them nearly 400 years. Imagine the sheer volume of muslims in the country for it to take almost four centuries to get rid of them.

FD will agree for sure.

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Reply #11 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Who could disagree with that, Moses? The Inquisition was all about Freeeeedom:

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To expel the vicious Islamic parasite from the nation the Tribunal killed anyone and everyone who were suspected of being contaminated by Islam, even those enslaved by the muslims.

The Inquisition not only hunted for Protestants and for false converts from Judaism among the conversos, but also searched for false or relapsed converts among the Moriscos [moors], forced converts from Islam. Many Moriscos were suspected of practising Islam in secret. They killed anyone suspected of being traitors or disguised moles. No one was spared.

So successful was the enterprise in 1609, in the space of months, Spain was emptied of its Moriscos. Expelled were the Moriscos of Aragon, Murcia, Catalonia, Castile, Mancha and Extremadura.

In other words, the Spanish inquisition saved the entire region from being taken over by Islamic rule. It was a brutal but quintessentially heroic act in history that saw the sacrifice of millions of people to exterminate Islam fully and completely from the land. It took them nearly 400 years. Imagine the sheer volume of muslims in the country for it to take almost four centuries to get rid of them.

Anything to defeat the hated Muslims, hey, Karnal? Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 8:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 12:39pm:

Are you saying I am incorrect Gandalf? Or that the facts don't 'matter'?

I'm saying you will go to any lengths to spinelessly apologise for, if not flat out deny European rape and pillage that caused the deaths of many millions.

But well done on avoiding your nonsense about famine being a synonym for drought and/or weather. Is it safe to say you are now abandoning your rubbish claim that I included deaths from "the weather" as part of the Congo Free State death toll?

Do you understand now how forcing farmers off their land en-masse - and recruiting them for rubber harvesting can cause famine - without any help from the weather?

Why would I abandon it? You don't even seem to know if you agree with it.

Also, was I right about including deaths due to Arab diseases that the Europeans were attempting to treat and cure?

Why is it "apologising" to ask you how many deaths you attribute to it? Is it my fault you got all hysterical instead of answering?

Have you abandoned your rule about not starting new threads?

Do you still stand by this claim?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 11:03am:

It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history.

Also, regarding this:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:50am:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

Am I supposed to go back through your last 18 days of posts

You did that anyway FD, and you quoted just about everything except the one quote that mattered. Perhaps it wouldn't go for 18 days if you simply listened to what I said (and what you even requoted) in the first place.

Is this you saying you were wrong? And if so, how are we supposed to figure out which of your posts 'matter', and which ones are lies?

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Reply #14 - Nov 20^th, 2017 at 1:28pm

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Why would I abandon it?

Because its self-evidently such a stupid thing to say. Just to clarify - we're talking about when you tried to justify your false claim that the Congo Free State article attributed 'drought' and 'weather' to the death toll - by mentioning the reference it made to famine. Implying that '[bad] weather' or 'drought' is simply a synonym for 'famine' - which, as I say, is self-evidently ridiculous. Famine merely refers to a shortage of food - which could be caused by a hundred different causes apart from drought or the weather.

Do you understand yet how forcibly removing farmers from their land and enslaving them in rubber harvesting (ie nothing to do with the weather) can cause famine?

freediver wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Why is it "apologising" to ask you how many deaths you attribute to it?

Because it is such a blatant and transparent obfuscation tactic. Here we have the Belgians trampling into the Congo, and during a mere ~20 year reign of terror, cause an estimated 2-13 million deaths as a result of the rape and pillage of the country's natural resources. And here you are studiously avoiding the rape and pillage and murder, and desperately wanting to divert the conversation to insignificant deaths caused by arab diseases, as well as invent bullshit about the Europeans being there not to rape and pillage, but actually to treat and cure suffering caused by anyone and anything but the Europeans. But please, keep pretending you don't know what I mean by apologising for rape and pillage.

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