freediver wrote on Nov 12
th, 2017 at 11:38am:
Quote:Oh there you go again - we already established you made that up, remember?
No Gandalf. We established that it was correct, but feel free to continue where we left off.
No we didn't FD. You claimed the Congo free state article mentioned drought. It does not. Not one mention. Ergo, you made it up. Let me know if you're still having issues with this extraordinarily difficult concept.
Quote:But you are counting the deaths caused by the diseases introduced by Arab traders as being caused by Europeans, right?
Nope. I'm blaming Europeans for the deaths that were caused directly or indirectly by European colonialism. Its, you know, that citation from the article that you keep ducking and weaving from:
Quote:It is argued that the reduction in the Congo was atypical and can be attributed to the direct and indirect effects of colonial rule and especially to disease and falling birthrate.[15] Estimates of the size of the overall population decline (or mortality displacement) remain disputed but range between two and 13 million.
But feel free to pretend I'm still talking about Arab diseases and a non-existent reference to drought.
Quote:Ah. So when you say things like
* "the establishment of (by far) the largest programs of invasion and conquest and ethnic cleansing the world has ever seen"
* "Arguably the greatest genocide in all of history"
* "unlike in any other time in history"
* "It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history."
you actually mean "before that time"? Surely I have quoted you enough times on this to stop you lying about it now?
Actually its when I say things like
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27
th, 2017 at 9:47am:
That there were more people slaughtered by European colonialism than at any other period previously seen in history?
- should be a bit of a giveaway that I'm asking about, err 'any other period previously seen'.
But you are right - European christians certainly have exceeded themselves in scale of slaughter since. Something we certainly should be highlighting, so thanks. Good pickup.
Quote:Like I said Gandalf, surely it would be easier to simply retract these statements instead of trying to lie your way out of them. And it should not take 20 pages of your special Muslim tapdance routine to get you to acknowledge this. It is particularly ironic coming after you had to correct Brian Ross recently on a very similar point. I note he still does not understand either.
It shouldn't take you more than 20 pages to acknowledge that I was indeed clearly talking about the period until that time - as clearly stated in post# 83 -but I'm sure you'll manage. At least it will enable you to continue ducking and weaving from things like the point regarding direct and indirect
European colonial deaths in the free state article, and pretending its only about Arab diseases and drought.
Quote:That is you Gandalf. I asked you for the numbers. All I got in response was obfuscation.
Sorry FD, if only I would give you actual figures like the 8 million in Latin America and the 2-13 million in the Congo... repeatedly... like I'm talking to a brick wall...