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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #120 - Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link", this discussion would be slightly less inane. Why do you just bombard us with a whole block of quotes rather than specifying which actual specific claim(s) you take issue with? I mean you're surely not including the extract from the very wikipedia article that you yourself quoted are you? Surely even you would understand that my preface "from your own source" is a bit of a giveaway right? So why do you include it in your accusation? Your last accusation was still about the 1 million muslim slaves, and pretending I had no source for it. I guess even you realised the game was up on that one when you started referencing that very source yourself.

Why do you always point this out as a suprise, G? There's only one response to FD's no speaka da English game, and that's ah.

The lack of any interesting language of any kind coming out of FD, of course, goes without ah-ing.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51469 At my desk.	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #121 - Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm Quote: FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link" I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.
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Reply #122 - Oct 29^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

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FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link"

I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.

This, G, is the best FD can come up with.

Why do you think he started a discussion board?

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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #123 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 6:45am

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

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FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link"

I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.

Speaking of slippery, why is it you just vaguely quote an entire block that contains about half a dozen claims? Why is that you have never actually specified which claim you take issue with? Is it actually the source for the 1 million muslim slaves claim that you yourself have quoted? Could you enlighten me now FD with something thats sactually coherent? Or would you prefer to continue this childish personal attack jihad of yours?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #124 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 10:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 6:45am:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

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FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link"

I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.

Speaking of slippery, why is it you just vaguely quote an entire block that contains about half a dozen claims? Why is that you have never actually specified which claim you take issue with? Is it actually the source for the 1 million muslim slaves claim that you yourself have quoted? Could you enlighten me now FD with something thats sactually coherent? Or would you prefer to continue this childish personal attack jihad of yours?

What do you think, G? I'm curious.

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Reply #125 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 12:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 6:45am:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

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FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link"

I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.

Speaking of slippery, why is it you just vaguely quote an entire block that contains about half a dozen claims? Why is that you have never actually specified which claim you take issue with? Is it actually the source for the 1 million muslim slaves claim that you yourself have quoted? Could you enlighten me now FD with something thats sactually coherent? Or would you prefer to continue this childish personal attack jihad of yours?

I quoted both of the posts in their entirety, because you lied about including a link in the original post. I made this pretty obvious at the time.

Then you went on to lie about me not quoting the claims I was asking you about. The many times I have asked you previously to back up what you said, I only quoted the relevant bits.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99026	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #126 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 12:19pm No worries, FD. Can you show where the US have established freedom and democracy in any of the developing countries it's intervened in? Perhaps you can prove silly old Karnal wrong.
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Reply #127 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 12:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 6:45am:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

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FD perhaps if for once you were more specific about what actual claims of mine you think has "no source, no link"

I quoted them Gandalf. About a dozen times. Asking you where you got them from. In return I got the slippery Muslim routine.

Speaking of slippery, why is it you just vaguely quote an entire block that contains about half a dozen claims? Why is that you have never actually specified which claim you take issue with? Is it actually the source for the 1 million muslim slaves claim that you yourself have quoted? Could you enlighten me now FD with something thats sactually coherent? Or would you prefer to continue this childish personal attack jihad of yours?

I quoted both of the posts in their entirety, because you lied about including a link in the original post. I made this pretty obvious at the time.

Then you went on to lie about me not quoting the claims I was asking you about. The many times I have asked you previously to back up what you said, I only quoted the relevant bits.

OK FD, lets play your little game of 'guess what FD is talking about' if you really are going to refuse to give me a straight answer.

I'm guessing - which is what I'm forced to resort to - this is the claim you have issue with:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 25^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

Its estimated the Europeans had around 1 million muslim slaves during the 'Barbary' period, which was roughly the same as the number of European slaves held by the Barbary states.

yes?

If so, then I'll show you as clearly and simply as I can the source.

It is from the article at this url:
http://www.hum.leiden.edu/history/slavery-studies/news/muslim-slaves.html

and here is the quote giving that particular estimate:

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If we extrapolate these numbers to all of southern Europe, we easily get above one million and possibly more for the entire early modern period—as is also the case with the Christian slaves on the Barbary Coast, who amounted to at least one million in a conservative estimate.

All quoted and referenced in post# 52 - as previously explained.

Here we have an estimate of the number of muslim slaves taken by Europeans during the "entire early modern era", which according to wikipedia is:

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Early modern Europe is the period of European history between the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, roughly the late 15th century to the late 18th century.

- which is roughly the same period as the 'Barbary' pirates operated. Its during that time that, according to the article I quoted, roughly the same number of muslim slaves were taken by European pirates as the number of European slaves taken by muslim pirates.

Now, if thats settled, we can move on to whatever other claims you think I haven't sourced. Do I have to guess what that is also?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #128 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 2:00pm freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 12:02pm: you lied about including a link in the original post. Come again FD? the original post is post# 52, yes? Is there a link in that post?
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Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy
Reply #129 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

freediver wrote on Oct 28^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Gandalf, this is what your quote said:

Systematic research on the demography and treatment of Muslim slaves in early modern Europe still remains to be done.

How do you get from that to these two claims:

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Its estimated the Europeans had around 1 million muslim slaves during the 'Barbary' period, which was roughly the same as the number of European slaves held by the Barbary states.

this is how I "get" it FD:

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If we extrapolate these numbers to all of southern Europe, we easily get above one million and possibly more for the entire early modern period—as is also the case with the Christian slaves on the Barbary Coast, who amounted to at least one million in a conservative estimate.

http://www.hum.leiden.edu/history/slavery-studies/news/muslim-slaves.html

FD how are you going to keep up this farce about me lying about sourcing this claim? Let me guess, your next tactic is to say an "extrapolation" is not an "estimation"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Mattywish Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152 Gender:	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #130 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:17pm Blame Islam? You bet
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99026	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #131 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:26pm Ask him why he's not answering your questions, FD. Ask him why he's playing the usual slippery Muslim routine. Ask him if he's a jellyfish. Then you'll be free to answer my questions, ja?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99026	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #132 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:26pm Mattywish wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:17pm: Blame Islam? You bet FD? Is that you?
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Mattywish Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152 Gender:	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #133 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:27pm Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:26pm: Mattywish wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:17pm: Blame Islam? You bet FD? Is that you? Chase someone else around, TROLL-fcker
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Reply #134 - Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:31pm

Mattywish wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Mattywish wrote on Oct 30^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

Blame Islam?

You bet Grin

FD? Is that you?

Chase someone else around, TROLL-fcker Cheesy

Now now, Matty, I don't just fck TROLLS, you know.

Mind you, you'll have to try a bit harder if you'd like a poke from moi, dear. Try a decent porkie or two - that usually works.

It's rather hard for one to get it up otherwise.

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