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Reply #45 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
What it demonstrates is the poor credentials of Anthropology as a discipline.


Or is it your predisposition to use facts incorrectly to suit your agenda?


And your evidence for that is what, exactly, Setanta?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #46 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
What it demonstrates is the poor credentials of Anthropology as a discipline.


Or is it your predisposition to use facts incorrectly to suit your agenda?


And your evidence for that is what, exactly, Setanta?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We have already been through a part of it with your insistence that the Chinese were way ahead of the west as has been shown to be wrong. Where would you like to start now? Remember don't get all uppity and snarky, it didn't work out so well last time. Seek knowledge not outcomes.

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Reply #47 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


Dogs can interbred but you wouldn't want a Wiener dog or Chua hua as your blind dog, should you ever need one, Bwian.

Race, breed - what the difference?


Quite a lot actually, Soren and your inability to understand the concepts I have been explaining just goes to show how much you deny reality and the science that we have created to explain it.

If we were to like you to a breed of dog, I rather think you would fit well into the Irish Red Setter variety - the stupidest dog created.  Roll Eyes




So an Irish Setter - African Negro - is not the same calibre as a British bulldog or King Charles Spaniel or a German pointer  - white man in dog form?  Or what. What ARE you trying to say but can't find the words or concept to express it, Bwian (the story of your sad life right there).



Bwian, you can't think coherently and when cornered you just spout more idiocy. You are a jumbled, tail-chasing dog of no particular breed.


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Reply #48 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


So you keep saying - but by your own admission, there are genetic differences between "racial" groups


Minor ones.

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Your assertion that humans share the same genetic pool only means every human has a head, two arms, two legs and stand upright


No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs..

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After that, genetics determines whether you are criminal or peaceful, strong or weak, adaptable or lazy, submissive or leading, etc - these are the genetics we should be concerned about


And your evidence for that is what, exactly?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




"Minor ones." ... possibly, but still different


"No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs" .... I don't recall I implied that humans were Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs.


"And your evidence for that is what, exactly?" .... Everybody knows that genetics makes you what you are, all except you apparently. Some people are  more susceptible to serious disease than others because of different genetics. Some families breed criminals because of different genetics


Here's a random excerpt ...

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.

Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.

The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes
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Re: Not Talking to Non-White People about Race
Reply #49 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 11:09pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


So you keep saying - but by your own admission, there are genetic differences between "racial" groups


Minor ones.

Quote:
Your assertion that humans share the same genetic pool only means every human has a head, two arms, two legs and stand upright


No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs..

Quote:
After that, genetics determines whether you are criminal or peaceful, strong or weak, adaptable or lazy, submissive or leading, etc - these are the genetics we should be concerned about


And your evidence for that is what, exactly?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




"Minor ones." ... possibly, but still different


"No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs" .... I don't recall I implied that humans were Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs.


"And your evidence for that is what, exactly?" .... Everybody knows that genetics makes you what you are, all except you apparently. Some people are  more susceptible to serious disease than others because of different genetics. Some families breed criminals because of different genetics


Here's a random excerpt ...

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.

Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.

The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes
.


Vikingr gene?  Grin

The fact of the matter is all traits we have are there for a reason. Left/right political views, freedom/fear views, they are all needed to make us whole. Sometimes we need the "right", a little paranoia is good in the right situation, we need the "left", we should be able to expand, explore and progress. We need people of a psychopathic nature, we need the Mothras that cry at every perceived injustice, real or imagined. These all help us to thrive as a species through changing environments. Don't hate on each other, we really do need each other as annoying as that can be.
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Reply #50 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 12:03am
 
More ....

"Each criminal was given a profile based on their offences, categorising them into violent or non-violent. The association between genes and previous behaviour was strongest for the 78 who fitted the "extremely violent offender" profile.

This group had committed a total of 1,154 murders, manslaughters, attempted homicides or batteries. A replication group of 114 criminals had all committed at least one murder.

These all carried a low-activity version of the MAOA gene, which previous research has dubbed the "warrior gene" because of its link to aggressive behaviour."


A bit more ....

" ......
Despite this view, echoed by many other scientists, there have been several instances of defence lawyers using genetic information to reduce sentences.

In 2009, a court in Italy reduced the sentence of a criminal with genes linked to bad behaviour. In a similar case in the US a murderer's genetic profile was highlighted as a contributing factor for his crime
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That's interesting, certain genes can mean a lighter sentence


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Reply #51 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
What it demonstrates is the poor credentials of Anthropology as a discipline.


Or is it your predisposition to use facts incorrectly to suit your agenda?


And your evidence for that is what, exactly, Setanta?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We have already been through a part of it with your insistence that the Chinese were way ahead of the west as has been shown to be wrong. Where would you like to start now? Remember don't get all uppity and snarky, it didn't work out so well last time. Seek knowledge not outcomes.


Until the fifteenth century, China led the west technologically.  QED.   You may believe otherwise but all the academics have show that to be true.  Roll Eyes


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Reply #52 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


Dogs can interbred but you wouldn't want a Wiener dog or Chua hua as your blind dog, should you ever need one, Bwian.

Race, breed - what the difference?


Quite a lot actually, Soren and your inability to understand the concepts I have been explaining just goes to show how much you deny reality and the science that we have created to explain it.

If we were to like you to a breed of dog, I rather think you would fit well into the Irish Red Setter variety - the stupidest dog created.  Roll Eyes




So an Irish Setter - African Negro - is not the same calibre as a British bulldog or King Charles Spaniel or a German pointer  - white man in dog form?  Or what. What ARE you trying to say but can't find the words or concept to express it, Bwian (the story of your sad life right there).


Until you can come up with a peer-reviewed scientific paper, Soren which refutes what I have been saying, all your views are just bullshit based on Racism which Genetics has disproved.  Now, run along, back to your little kiddies' playground where you belong.  Roll Eyes



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Reply #53 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


So you keep saying - but by your own admission, there are genetic differences between "racial" groups


Minor ones.

Quote:
Your assertion that humans share the same genetic pool only means every human has a head, two arms, two legs and stand upright


No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs..

Quote:
After that, genetics determines whether you are criminal or peaceful, strong or weak, adaptable or lazy, submissive or leading, etc - these are the genetics we should be concerned about


And your evidence for that is what, exactly?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




"Minor ones." ... possibly, but still different


"No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs" .... I don't recall I implied that humans were Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs.


"And your evidence for that is what, exactly?" .... Everybody knows that genetics makes you what you are, all except you apparently. Some people are  more susceptible to serious disease than others because of different genetics. Some families breed criminals because of different genetics

Here's a random excerpt ...

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.

Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.

The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes
.


This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
"when in reality we are all the same (more or less) Genetically." - Brian Ross

Yes, more or less, but not the same

Genetics is by no means a settled science. Scientists are still working on it and arguing over it


Genetically, we all share the same pool.  It is what makes us all humans.  It is what makes it possible for humans from the Arctic to interbreed with the humans from anywhere else.  It is what destroys the claims by Racists that "race" exist.  It doesn't.  There are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than there is between them.    Roll Eyes


So you keep saying - but by your own admission, there are genetic differences between "racial" groups


Minor ones.

Quote:
Your assertion that humans share the same genetic pool only means every human has a head, two arms, two legs and stand upright


No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs..

Quote:
After that, genetics determines whether you are criminal or peaceful, strong or weak, adaptable or lazy, submissive or leading, etc - these are the genetics we should be concerned about


And your evidence for that is what, exactly?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




"Minor ones." ... possibly, but still different


"No, it means that they are humans, not Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs" .... I don't recall I implied that humans were Chimpanzees or Orangutans or molluscs.


"And your evidence for that is what, exactly?" .... Everybody knows that genetics makes you what you are, all except you apparently. Some people are  more susceptible to serious disease than others because of different genetics. Some families breed criminals because of different genetics

Here's a random excerpt ...

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.

Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.

The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes
.


This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I doubt you have evidence of that. Genetics is not a settled science, scientists are still working on it as you can see as late as 2015 they were still doing research. There's nothing concrete about genetics yet, but what is generally accepted is that many people are prone to have genes that make them vulnerable or resistant in one form or another regarding diseases and societal behaviour

If you think that genetic difference is only minor between humans, someone will need to explain why Chinese are what they are, and Australian Aboriginals are what they are .... two vastly and absolutely different species of humans. When the great differences between these two groups are considered, there's a good case for describing them as two distinct races of people

Chinese in the southern half of China are the same distance from the Equator as Aboriginals in Central Australia. Why then don't they look the same? You reckon we all migrated from Africa, yet Southern Chinese are not black, but they've lived in a similar climate to the Australian Aboriginals for millennia. A big difference in genetics might have something to do with why they are so different

Of course, I'm not forgetting that while I'm searching for the truth about Genetics, your research is based on how you can wiggle Genetics into your ideology of multiculturalism and multi-"racial" populations. So what is the purpose of your ideology, does it even have a purpose?


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Reply #55 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 6:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
What it demonstrates is the poor credentials of Anthropology as a discipline.


Or is it your predisposition to use facts incorrectly to suit your agenda?


And your evidence for that is what, exactly, Setanta?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


We have already been through a part of it with your insistence that the Chinese were way ahead of the west as has been shown to be wrong. Where would you like to start now? Remember don't get all uppity and snarky, it didn't work out so well last time. Seek knowledge not outcomes.


Until the fifteenth century, China led the west technologically.  QED.   You may believe otherwise but all the academics have show that to be true.  Roll Eyes


Until? From the beginning of time? I've given ample evidence Brian. Feel free to ignore it if it suits your seemingly religious devotion to your views. It seems knowledge is not really what you seek but justification for your beliefs, ignoring that which is inconvenient. Exactly what you claim of the other side.
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Reply #56 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I doubt you have evidence of that. Genetics is not a settled science, scientists are still working on it as you can see as late as 2015 they were still doing research. There's nothing concrete about genetics yet, but what is generally accepted is that many people are prone to have genes that make them vulnerable or resistant in one form or another regarding diseases and societal behaviour


There is nothing concrete about science, you silly fellow.  It is always subject to upheaval as better understanding occurs.  What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet.

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If you think that genetic difference is only minor between humans, someone will need to explain why Chinese are what they are, and Australian Aboriginals are what they are .... two vastly and absolutely different species of humans. When the great differences between these two groups are considered, there's a good case for describing them as two distinct races of people


The differences between the various groups of humanity are described by evolutionary adaptation to differing environments.  White people have paler skin because they evolved in the far northern climes where Vitamin D absorption was important where as people with darker skins evolved closer to the equator where it is not as necessary.  Chinese people evolved on the central Asian plains and in the arctic where being able to mask the eye from blizzards and dust storms was important.  Indigenous Australians evolved in India originally, hence their darker skin.  They are different because they have differing evolutions.    Roll Eyes




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Reply #57 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 8:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I doubt you have evidence of that. Genetics is not a settled science, scientists are still working on it as you can see as late as 2015 they were still doing research. There's nothing concrete about genetics yet, but what is generally accepted is that many people are prone to have genes that make them vulnerable or resistant in one form or another regarding diseases and societal behaviour


There is nothing concrete about science, you silly fellow.  It is always subject to upheaval as better understanding occurs.  What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet.

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If you think that genetic difference is only minor between humans, someone will need to explain why Chinese are what they are, and Australian Aboriginals are what they are .... two vastly and absolutely different species of humans. When the great differences between these two groups are considered, there's a good case for describing them as two distinct races of people


The differences between the various groups of humanity are described by evolutionary adaptation to differing environments.  White people have paler skin because they evolved in the far northern climes where Vitamin D absorption was important where as people with darker skins evolved closer to the equator where it is not as necessary.  Chinese people evolved on the central Asian plains and in the arctic where being able to mask the eye from blizzards and dust storms was important.  Indigenous Australians evolved in India originally, hence their darker skin.  They are different because they have differing evolutions.    Roll Eyes


You are far too fixated on skin colour, why is that? That is not the only adaption possible to increase the groups chance of survival, is it? A group can have even more than one adaptation.

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Reply #58 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 9:17pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 8:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I doubt you have evidence of that. Genetics is not a settled science, scientists are still working on it as you can see as late as 2015 they were still doing research. There's nothing concrete about genetics yet, but what is generally accepted is that many people are prone to have genes that make them vulnerable or resistant in one form or another regarding diseases and societal behaviour


There is nothing concrete about science, you silly fellow.  It is always subject to upheaval as better understanding occurs.  What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet.

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If you think that genetic difference is only minor between humans, someone will need to explain why Chinese are what they are, and Australian Aboriginals are what they are .... two vastly and absolutely different species of humans. When the great differences between these two groups are considered, there's a good case for describing them as two distinct races of people


The differences between the various groups of humanity are described by evolutionary adaptation to differing environments.  White people have paler skin because they evolved in the far northern climes where Vitamin D absorption was important where as people with darker skins evolved closer to the equator where it is not as necessary.  Chinese people evolved on the central Asian plains and in the arctic where being able to mask the eye from blizzards and dust storms was important.  Indigenous Australians evolved in India originally, hence their darker skin.  They are different because they have differing evolutions.    Roll Eyes


You are far too fixated on skin colour, why is that? That is not the only adaption possible to increase the groups chance of survival, is it? A group can have even more than one adaptation.




This is what Brian is trying so hard to convince us of - he likes to state the obvious ....

"What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet."


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Re: Not Talking to Non-White People about Race
Reply #59 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:02pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 8:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 7:10pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm:
This announced in 2015 has since been disputed.  Most Geneticists do not believe that there is a gene (or genes) which are linked to violent crime.  If there were, we would all be much more violent than we are.   You are mistaking, as did those researchers a gene which is present amongst people in prison, not a gene that is linked to violent behaviour.    Roll Eyes

Furthermore, two genes amongst some  20,000-25,000 is as I have a said a "minor difference" amongst human beings.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I doubt you have evidence of that. Genetics is not a settled science, scientists are still working on it as you can see as late as 2015 they were still doing research. There's nothing concrete about genetics yet, but what is generally accepted is that many people are prone to have genes that make them vulnerable or resistant in one form or another regarding diseases and societal behaviour


There is nothing concrete about science, you silly fellow.  It is always subject to upheaval as better understanding occurs.  What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet.

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If you think that genetic difference is only minor between humans, someone will need to explain why Chinese are what they are, and Australian Aboriginals are what they are .... two vastly and absolutely different species of humans. When the great differences between these two groups are considered, there's a good case for describing them as two distinct races of people


The differences between the various groups of humanity are described by evolutionary adaptation to differing environments.  White people have paler skin because they evolved in the far northern climes where Vitamin D absorption was important where as people with darker skins evolved closer to the equator where it is not as necessary.  Chinese people evolved on the central Asian plains and in the arctic where being able to mask the eye from blizzards and dust storms was important.  Indigenous Australians evolved in India originally, hence their darker skin.  They are different because they have differing evolutions.    Roll Eyes


You are far too fixated on skin colour, why is that? That is not the only adaption possible to increase the groups chance of survival, is it? A group can have even more than one adaptation.




This is what Brian is trying so hard to convince us of - he likes to state the obvious ....

"What is known about Genetics is that we know that it is Genetics which makes us, well, us.  Genetics describes the differences between humanity and all other species on the planet."


I don't know why it has to be brought back to skin colour every time by people like Brian. I have no inferiority complex that Han are generally smarter than Caucasian, that Caucasians are generally smarter than Africans. That Africans generally have more fast twitch muscles than Caucasians, etc. Why does it always equal skin colour to people like Brian? School and other tests I've been put through put me, I'm kinda loathe to say, in the top 10th percentile, I don't go around thinking people are more stupid than me and would never believe that would make me a better person. In fact I can be a total cunt. I don't judge people's worth by their skin colour or how smart/fast/how high they can jump. Brian seems to think skin colour is what drives people if they are white, like some genetic anomaly. He, like Karnal is fixated on skin colour.

Best they move their reasoning to culture rather than colour.
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