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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #90 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:00pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 10:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 10:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.

The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?

Come on smarty pants -
what they do to each other is terrible.
It's like a nightmare.

How can you give your approval of it?

Maybe you do it?

What goes on in the bedroom is a matter for the individual and not for the state, provided its consenting adults. The state should stat out of the bedroom.

hence safe schools telling our children to practise sodomy for the purposes of writing a compare and contrast essay on the matter Roll Eyes

Oh,... And the voting consumer sheeple can say nothing about it: you know, the parents that consist of a man and a woman!

Grin

What disgrace of a democracy would vote for that Shocked

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If that is the case, then I totally disagree with this. Sex education is acceptable, but what you've described seems to cross the line.

You and I agree on this one.

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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #91 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly? If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy

I've always said no to a girl if she wants that... She goes away and who cares!

Good on ya.

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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #92 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'? It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW) before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.

Fair points, I think. As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content. Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me. I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters. Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....

Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink

Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.

You're an anarchist!

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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #93 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:03pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'? It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW) before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.

Fair points, I think. As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content. Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me. I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters. Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....

Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink

Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.

You're an anarchist!

Small government libertarian.

Know the difference? Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #94 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 4:13pm

[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/93#93 date=1505887432][quote author=AnotherJourneyByTr link=1505801185/92#92 date=1505887289][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/89#89 date=1505887118][quote author=AnotherJourneyByTr link=1505801185/81#81 date=1505882907][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/69#69 date=1505823623][quote author=The_Grappler link=1505801185/57#57 date=1505820440][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/6#6 date=1505801891][quote author=The_Grappler link=1505801185/1#1 date=1505801594]I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'? It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW) before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

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I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish. [/quote]

Fair points, I think. [highlight]As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content. [/highlight] Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me. I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters. Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....[/quote]

Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement. [/quote]
You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

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Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.

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You're an [highlight]anarchist![/highlight]
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Small government libertarian.

Know the difference? ::) ::)[/quote]
Why don't you tell the world what your pretend difference is? ;D

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thecuriousmail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 722 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Why do you oppose SSM? Reply #95 - Sep 20^th, 2017 at 6:21pm All this talk about sodomy makes me think thou doest protest too much. Just because you got a woody at your prostate exam, you are unviolated!
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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #96 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 1:23pm

thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 20^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

All this talk about sodomy makes me think thou doest protest too much.
Just because you got a woody at your prostate exam, you are unviolated!

Are you some sort of dodgy feminist with your dodgy logic about how all men are pigs but yet you spend your whole life at the nightclub picking up extras while hubby sits at home and cries and waits for divorce papers?

Grin

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Reply #97 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 1:53pm

You can't help wondering why Futility in search of Failure is so keen on this weird SSM stuff ?

Of course everyone knows that the Greenies are hoping to use a YES as an excuse to attack every aspect of civilized society.

That's why Tony Abbott is warning about the tremendous disruption to society by the dead in the water Greenies that would follow a YES vote.

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Reply #98 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 2:14pm

juliar wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 1:53pm:

You can't help wondering why Futility in search of Failure is so keen on this weird SSM stuff ?

Of course everyone knows that the Greenies are hoping to use a YES as an excuse to attack every aspect of civilized society.

That's why Tony Abbott is warning about the tremendous disruption to society by the dead in the water Greenies that would follow a YES vote.

I'm anti-ssm!

Have you been hiding under a rock

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Why do you oppose SSM? Reply #99 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:48pm Still waiting... Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:53pm: So Augustus. Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex? Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question.
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Why do you oppose SSM? Reply #100 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:52pm Grendel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:48pm: Still waiting... Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:53pm: So Augustus. Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex? Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?
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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #101 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:57pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:48pm:

Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?

Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #102 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:58pm

Grendel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:57pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:48pm:

Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?

Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Why do you oppose SSM? Reply #103 - Sep 21^st, 2017 at 11:05pm Grendel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2017 at 5:48pm: Still waiting... Grendel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2017 at 8:53pm: So Augustus. Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex? Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. What do you mean by equate?
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