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Reply #135 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:47am

lee wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2017 at 11:53am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2017 at 11:45am:

It wouldn't have required anymore batteries as they are constantly recycled for recharging.

So you don't need any extra batteries to pull out a battery bank and supply with a new battery bank? Where does that initial spare battery bank come from?

A few extra batteries. Big f.cking deal and they didn't go down that path anyway !! Cheesy

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Reply #136 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:01pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:47am:

A few extra batteries. Big f.cking deal and they didn't go down that path anyway !

Yes. They didn't go down that path.

Now about those "few" batteries.

How many change out stations?
How many batteries would they have on hand to do those replacements? per charge out station? 2, 5. 10?

Those "few" are starting to add up. And that's why it probably didn't go ahead. He couldn't make a business case for it.

It is great having these wonderful ideas. But then they have to be practical. Wink

But at least you got around to admitting they would have had to have extra batteries.

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Reply #137 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:10pm

stunspore wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 1:38am:

coal supporters are welcomed to invest in coal - but don't expect me to keep subsidising it.

What about using it?

You know base load power from thermal coal and all steel and it's products from coking coal?

You are welcome to invest in solar and wind power so long as there in no base load back or steel product and any part of the manufacturing process for your wind and solar power.

Another fkkking deep thinker form the socialist camp. Grin

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Reply #138 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:14pm

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:47am:

A few extra batteries. Big f.cking deal and they didn't go down that path anyway !

Yes. They didn't go down that path.

Now about those "few" batteries.

How many change out stations?
How many batteries would they have on hand to do those replacements? per charge out station? 2, 5. 10?

Those "few" are starting to add up. And that's why it probably didn't go ahead. He couldn't make a business case for it.

It is great having these wonderful ideas. But then they have to be practical. Wink

But at least you got around to admitting they would have had to have extra batteries.

Requiring extra battery packs on stand by doesn't make it any less impractical than having a huge tank full of deisel fuel or petroleum or LPG etc on standby which btw has to be replenished from an outside source.

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Reply #139 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 1:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Requiring extra battery packs on stand by doesn't make it any less impractical than having a huge tank full of deisel fuel or petroleum or LPG etc on standby which btw has to be replenished from an outside source.

But you were saying it didn't require any extra batteries.
The other problem was you had to book in for the swap battery, which is not necessarily convenient.

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Reply #140 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 7:27pm

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 1:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Requiring extra battery packs on stand by doesn't make it any less impractical than having a huge tank full of deisel fuel or petroleum or LPG etc on standby which btw has to be replenished from an outside source.

But you were saying it didn't require any extra batteries.
The other problem was you had to book in for the swap battery, which is not necessarily convenient.

I don't know why you keep banging on about it when clearly no one is using this process !!

Obviously the FREEEEEE super charging facilities that Tesla provide more than makeup for the waiting times. And not everyone needs a full recharge anyway. Just 10 minutes on a super charger will give you quite a bit of additional range Wink

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Reply #142 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 7:53pm

"CEO Elon Musk said that they plan to deploy more battery and solar systems with the upcoming ‘Version 3’ of the Supercharger, but now he went a step further and claimed that “almost all Superchargers will disconnect from the electricity grid.”

Previously, Musk said that Tesla’s new Powerpack and solar arrays will power some Supercharger stations in sunny regions to go off-grid – adding that “the grid won’t be needed for moderate use Superchargers in non-snowy regions.” "

https://electrek.co/2017/06/09/tesla-superchargers-solar-battery-grid-elon-musk/

Those that don't go off grid will be powered by?

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Reply #143 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:09pm

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 7:27pm:

And not everyone needs a full recharge anyway. Just 10 minutes on a super charger will give you quite a bit of additional range

How far is a "bit"? Grin

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Show me one servo that gives you one drop of petrooooooleum for nothing ?? Cheesy

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Reply #144 - Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:12pm

lee wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 7:53pm:

"CEO Elon Musk said that they plan to deploy more battery and solar systems with the upcoming ‘Version 3’ of the Supercharger, but now he went a step further and claimed that “almost all Superchargers will disconnect from the electricity grid.”

Previously, Musk said that Tesla’s new Powerpack and solar arrays will power some Supercharger stations in sunny regions to go off-grid – adding that “the grid won’t be needed for moderate use Superchargers in non-snowy regions.” "

https://electrek.co/2017/06/09/tesla-superchargers-solar-battery-grid-elon-musk/

Those that don't go off grid will be powered by?

offset by renewable energy that Tesla generates Wink

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Reply #145 - Sep 24^th, 2017 at 11:46am

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:12pm:

offset by renewable energy that Tesla generates

From the above link -

"But only half a dozen stations or so out of the over 800 stations ended up getting a solar array."

Not a lot of offset there.

But you don't appear to understand what I am driving at.

Not all plans come to fruition.
Plans are not accomplishments.
Plans are but one step in the process.

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Reply #146 - Sep 24^th, 2017 at 11:49am

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:09pm:

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Show me one servo that gives you one drop of petrooooooleum for nothing ??

So you don't think that "free energy" is embedded in the original purchase price? That Musk is simply going to be charged for electricity he uses or that the cost of the renewables running his charging station will come out of his personal pocket?

Dream on.

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Reply #147 - Sep 24^th, 2017 at 7:24pm

lee wrote on Sep 24^th, 2017 at 11:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:09pm:

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Show me one servo that gives you one drop of petrooooooleum for nothing ??

So you don't think that "free energy" is embedded in the original purchase price? That Musk is simply going to be charged for electricity he uses or that the cost of the renewables running his charging station will come out of his personal pocket?

Dream on.

You dream on if you think a fossil fool car is good deal !!

The point is if you spend the same dollar value on a fossil fool clunker you never get one drop of fossil fool except enough to get you to the nearest fossil fool station after you leave the showroom where it's no problem for Tesla to give you a full charge. Not only that they start ripping you off on oil changes and parts that are designed to fail etc. I think Tesla is offering a much better deal don't you ??

Fossil fool car manufacturers derive most of their revenue from parts and service whereas Tesla does not prescribe to that model. Fossil fool cars are a bad deal right from the start Sad

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Reply #148 - Sep 24^th, 2017 at 7:30pm

lee wrote on Sep 24^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2017 at 11:12pm:

offset by renewable energy that Tesla generates

From the above link -

"But only half a dozen stations or so out of the over 800 stations ended up getting a solar array."

Not a lot of offset there.

But you don't appear to understand what I am driving at.

Not all plans come to fruition.
Plans are not accomplishments.
Plans are but one step in the process.

No I don't understand any of your circular arguments:-

FACT :- Tesla sells high performance long range electric vehicles to the public
FACT :- Tesla offers free charge ups at any of their super charging stations
FACT:- Tesla is producing cheaper electric vehicles

These were all Teslas plans at one stage and the nay-sayers kept telling us that none of these things could be accomplished just as you are now !

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Reply #149 - Sep 24^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 24^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

The point is if you spend the same dollar value on a fossil fool clunker you never get one drop of fossil fool except enough to get you to the nearest fossil fool station after you leave the showroom where it's no problem for Tesla to give you a full charge.

I spend my money wisely. Why would I pay an inflated price that would give me "free" tank top-ups? Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 24^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

I think Tesla is offering a much better deal don't you ??

No, but you are entitled to your opinion. Wink

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