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Reply #60 - May 1st, 2017 at 9:00am
 
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:42am:
Get a better postcode, Herb.



But I LIKE living here in the Trailer Trash Park down-wind from the Greater Metropolitan Sydney Municipal City Dump. It's an exotic location and a tourist destination where coach-loads of Japanese tourists come to click their cameras as proof that not everyone in Australia is riding high on the hog and the streets are paved with gold.  Tongue

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Reply #61 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:46am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:12am:
The law favours the crim, have no doubt about that.


Damned right ~ before, during, and after the event.




If not the crim, then who does this favor.....you & me......the wife & kids???




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Reply #62 - May 1st, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:42am:
Get a better postcode, Herb. 

In my suburb if I called the police and told them someone cut in front of the line at the artisan bakery and got the last sour-dough that was meant for me, the riot squad would arrive within 90 seconds to ensure the suburbs decorum is maintained.



What a silly uninformed thing to say.

The car jackings & home invasions are in the best suburbs.
The thieves want BMWs & other luxury cars.
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Reply #63 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:18pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:42am:
Reinforces exactly what I've been saying.

The full weight of the police and the judiciary will be waiting for you if you kill or seriously maim a criminal in your home.

It will cost you everything you own, including the home you tried to defend to keep you out of gaol.


Bullshit.  Total and utter bullshit, BigOl64.  All that is required is an adequate defence lawyer and proof that you feared for your own life or the lives of others who were threatened and the court will (more than likely) find in your favour.   As I have pointed, there have been several court cases which were won, despite the defendent using a firearm to defend themselves, post Port Arthur.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 1:00am:
Bigol64 hit on the real defense to home invasions.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Where you live and where you go has everything to do with how safe you are in life. No one around me seems to be dealing in drugs or illegal aliens so undesirables have little reason to come around.


*SIGH*, while wealth may protect you, it also attracts those "lower socio-economic filth" to your address, as it is obvious you have more to be stolen.

I find your characterisation of your fellow citizens as "filth", rather interesting.   It indicates your attitude towards them leaves a great deal to be desired...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #65 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:23pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:46am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:12am:
The law favours the crim, have no doubt about that.


Damned right ~ before, during, and after the event.



Oh, darie, dearie, me.  Trolling again, Herbie?  Remind me, how old were you when you claimed you were a Metropolitcan Police Inspector before coming to Australia?  Nineteen, wasn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #66 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:42am:
Reinforces exactly what I've been saying.

The full weight of the police and the judiciary will be waiting for you if you kill or seriously maim a criminal in your home.

It will cost you everything you own, including the home you tried to defend to keep you out of gaol.


Bullshit.  Total and utter bullshit, BigOl64.  All that is required is an adequate defence lawyer and proof that you feared for your own life or the lives of others who were threatened and the court will (more than likely) find in your favour.   As I have pointed, there have been several court cases which were won, despite the defendent using a firearm to defend themselves, post Port Arthur.    Roll Eyes



You will be arrested and charged - correct?

You will be forced to pay out of your own pocked your defence team - correct

You will need to "prove" to a legal standard that you "feared for your life or the lives of others" - correct


That is exactly what I fkken said genius.


And I would love to read the extract where the home owner had enough time to collect his weapon from the secured locker, assemble weapon (replace the bolt), open a separate secured container for the ammo, load it and legally 'protect' himself before the intruders got to him.

So yeah I would love to see or hear how that all happened, because it sounds like a load of sh1t to me or it happened before 1997.



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Reply #67 - May 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 1:00am:
Bigol64 hit on the real defense to home invasions.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Where you live and where you go has everything to do with how safe you are in life. No one around me seems to be dealing in drugs or illegal aliens so undesirables have little reason to come around.


*SIGH*, while wealth may protect you, it also attracts those "lower socio-economic filth" to your address, as it is obvious you have more to be stolen.

I find your characterisation of your fellow citizens as "filth", rather interesting.   It indicates your attitude towards them leaves a great deal to be desired...   Roll Eyes




Not every wants to hug a vicious criminal and asked them if they are okay, even if you do.





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Reply #68 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:42am:
Get a better postcode, Herb. 

In my suburb if I called the police and told them someone cut in front of the line at the artisan bakery and got the last sour-dough that was meant for me, the riot squad would arrive within 90 seconds to ensure the suburbs decorum is maintained.



What a silly uninformed thing to say.

The car jackings & home invasions are in the best suburbs.
The thieves want BMWs & other luxury cars.
actually, they arent.
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Reply #69 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 7:53am:
rhino wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 11:19pm:
No prizes for 2nd John Wink unless its your missus.


she wouldn't take you anyway rhino so you've no need to worry about it.
You misunderstood my comment. Lol. As if id have sex with someone dumb enough to marry you. I could get arrested for that.


I understood your comment perfectly, you admitted to playing second fiddle.
It's OK to be gay rhino.
Your partner is a man? Ok, Im out. Try pecca, hes currently conducting an online fantasy about gay sex in a forest. Kamahls licking his lips and offering to be 2nd man in.
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Reply #70 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:08pm
 
rhino wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Gordon wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:42am:
Get a better postcode, Herb. 

In my suburb if I called the police and told them someone cut in front of the line at the artisan bakery and got the last sour-dough that was meant for me, the riot squad would arrive within 90 seconds to ensure the suburbs decorum is maintained.



What a silly uninformed thing to say.

The car jackings & home invasions are in the best suburbs.
The thieves want BMWs & other luxury cars.
actually, they arent.



Jeez don't be telling booby that he'll have a 'vapour lock'.  Smiley Smiley




THE Toyota HiLux has topped Australia’s most wanted list among car criminals — and 40 per cent of those stolen are never found.
While car theft across Australia is the lowest since records were kept in the 1970s — and has been cut by two thirds from a peak of 142,000 in 2001 to 52,000 in the past 12 months — the rate of HiLux thefts is rising.
The number of HiLuxes stolen in the past 12 months is 10 per cent higher than it was the previous year — but the number of professional HiLux thefts is increasing at a greater rate, up 28 per cent.


Top 20 stolen cars by year model in the 2014-2015 financial year
Toyota HiLux 2005 to 2011 ... 732
Holden Commodore VT 1997 to 2000 ... 726
Holden Commodore VE 2006 to 2013 ... 717
Nissan Pulsar 1995 to 2000 ... 715
Holden Commodore VX 2000 to 2002 ... 561
Ford Falcon BA 202 to 2005 ... 541
Holden Commodore VY 2002 to 2004 ... 515
Hyundai Excel 1994 to 2000 ... 453
Toyota Hilux 1998 to 2004 ... 435
Holden Commodore VZ 2004 to 2006 ... 413
Ford Falcon AU 1998 to 2002 ... 413
Toyota Hiace 1990 to 2004 ... 374
Nissan Patrol 1997 to current ... 332
Toyota Hilux 1989 to 1997 ... 327
Toyota LandCruiser 80 Series 1990 to 1998 ... 316
Holden Commodore VS 1995 to 1997 ... 300
Nissan Navara D40 2005 to 2015 ... 293
Nissan Pulsar 1991 to 1995 ... 284
Ford Falcon FG 2008 to 2014 ... 281
Holden Astra 1999 to 2005 ... 260
Source: National Motor Vehicle Theft Reduction Council.


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Reply #71 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:18pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:42am:
Reinforces exactly what I've been saying.

The full weight of the police and the judiciary will be waiting for you if you kill or seriously maim a criminal in your home.

It will cost you everything you own, including the home you tried to defend to keep you out of gaol.


Bullshit.  Total and utter bullshit, BigOl64.  All that is required is an adequate defence lawyer and proof that you feared for your own life or the lives of others who were threatened and the court will (more than likely) find in your favour.   As I have pointed, there have been several court cases which were won, despite the defendent using a firearm to defend themselves, post Port Arthur.    Roll Eyes


You will be arrested and charged - correct?

You will be forced to pay out of your own pocked your defence team - correct

You will need to "prove" to a legal standard that you "feared for your life or the lives of others" - correct

That is exactly what I fkken said genius.

And I would love to read the extract where the home owner had enough time to collect his weapon from the secured locker, assemble weapon (replace the bolt), open a separate secured container for the ammo, load it and legally 'protect' himself before the intruders got to him.

So yeah I would love to see or hear how that all happened, because it sounds like a load of sh1t to me or it happened before 1997.


You were in the RAAF.  Your exposure to firearms was at best, minimal, wasn't it, BigOl64?

Someone who practices a lot, knows how to assemble a firearm quickly, very quickly, indeed. I could assemble an L1a1 rifle from a base stripped down configure to be able to fire it in less than 15 seconds.  I could assemble it to be able to be a semi-automatic firearm in 45 seconds.   Add another 15 seconds to doing it in the dark.   I could still come close to that, despite not having handled one in over 20 years.  A bolt-action firearm is even easier to assemble, all you need do is place the bolt into the guides and drive it home.

As to Australian defendants successfully defending themselves, with a firearm, post Port Arthur, I'd recommend you do a Google search.  I won't do your research for you.    One case was in Queensland IIRC.   Roll Eyes   
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Reply #72 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:21pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 1:00am:
Bigol64 hit on the real defense to home invasions.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Where you live and where you go has everything to do with how safe you are in life. No one around me seems to be dealing in drugs or illegal aliens so undesirables have little reason to come around.


*SIGH*, while wealth may protect you, it also attracts those "lower socio-economic filth" to your address, as it is obvious you have more to be stolen.

I find your characterisation of your fellow citizens as "filth", rather interesting.   It indicates your attitude towards them leaves a great deal to be desired...   Roll Eyes


Not every wants to hug a vicious criminal and asked them if they are okay, even if you do.


Never visited a prison, BigOl64?  I have.  Never met a sorrier mob of people in my life.  Even the so-called "vicious" ones.  I had a girlfriend once who was a criminologist.  She took me along on one of her visits ones.   Most interesting.  No hugging but I did shake hands with a mass murderer.   I didn't care how they were, I just was interested to see what interested my girlfriend.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:30pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 1:00am:
Bigol64 hit on the real defense to home invasions.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Where you live and where you go has everything to do with how safe you are in life. No one around me seems to be dealing in drugs or illegal aliens so undesirables have little reason to come around.


*SIGH*, while wealth may protect you, it also attracts those "lower socio-economic filth" to your address, as it is obvious you have more to be stolen.

I find your characterisation of your fellow citizens as "filth", rather interesting.   It indicates your attitude towards them leaves a great deal to be desired...   Roll Eyes




Not every wants to hug a vicious criminal and asked them if they are okay, even if you do.




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Reply #74 - May 1st, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 12:42am:
Reinforces exactly what I've been saying.

The full weight of the police and the judiciary will be waiting for you if you kill or seriously maim a criminal in your home.

It will cost you everything you own, including the home you tried to defend to keep you out of gaol.


Bullshit.  Total and utter bullshit, BigOl64.  All that is required is an adequate defence lawyer and proof that you feared for your own life or the lives of others who were threatened and the court will (more than likely) find in your favour.   As I have pointed, there have been several court cases which were won, despite the defendent using a firearm to defend themselves, post Port Arthur.    Roll Eyes


You will be arrested and charged - correct?

You will be forced to pay out of your own pocked your defence team - correct

You will need to "prove" to a legal standard that you "feared for your life or the lives of others" - correct

That is exactly what I fkken said genius.

And I would love to read the extract where the home owner had enough time to collect his weapon from the secured locker, assemble weapon (replace the bolt), open a separate secured container for the ammo, load it and legally 'protect' himself before the intruders got to him.

So yeah I would love to see or hear how that all happened, because it sounds like a load of sh1t to me or it happened before 1997.


You were in the RAAF.  Your exposure to firearms was at best, minimal, wasn't it, BigOl64?

Someone who practices a lot, knows how to assemble a firearm quickly, very quickly, indeed. I could assemble an L1a1 rifle from a base stripped down configure to be able to fire it in less than 15 seconds.  I could assemble it to be able to be a semi-automatic firearm in 45 seconds.   Add another 15 seconds to doing it in the dark.   I could still come close to that, despite not having handled one in over 20 years.  A bolt-action firearm is even easier to assemble, all you need do is place the bolt into the guides and drive it home.

As to Australian defendants successfully defending themselves, with a firearm, post Port Arthur, I'd recommend you do a Google search.  I won't do your research for you.    One case was in Queensland IIRC.   Roll Eyes   



Tsk, tsk, tsk resorting to demeaning me now is it.   Grin Grin Grin Grin


I do believe you stated you were a 'blanket counter' in the army, where as my trade was armourer, so let's not whip out the ruler too quickly there, champ.



Not bad being able to assemble a stripped down SLR:

1. Spring onto piston, piston into gas tube, gas plug locked into position, notch uppermost

2. Spring onto firing pin, firing pin into bolt, retainer into bolt & secure

3. Bolt into carrier, carrier into weapon, dust cover into weapon

4. Close weapon, careful not to catch 'rats tail'

5. Load magazine, fit magazine

6. Cock weapon, selector onto fire.


All in 15 seconds



If you don't have the evidence to back up your claim just say so and be done with it.

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