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Reply #360 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
If you know how a system drifts you can recalibrate it.

Sounds like millimeter precision to me!
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Reply #361 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 6:33pm:
If you know how a system drifts you can recalibrate it.

Sounds like millimeter precision to me!


Yes. A system that has a native resolution of 34mm can determine rises of 3mm. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #362 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 6:44pm
 
In 2017 Jason 2 satellite was showing signs of damage to its on–board systems. Its orbit was then lowered by several miles and it began mapping the topography of the sea floor, sea mounts and that kind of thing. This will help improve forecasting of tides and currents.

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Satellites have already revolutionized oceanography, and soon they will do the same for hydrology -- the study of water on land. The French/U.S. Surface Water and Ocean Topography (SWOT) mission will be at the forefront, carrying an innovative interferometer dubbed KaRin that marks a break with today's technologies.

dam you notes that these changes show the value the world scientific community places on the ocean altimetry program. "The measurement is so important, and the technology is fully demonstrated," he said. "In the long haul, ocean altimetry is an international commitment."


https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2614/25-years-of-global-sea-level-data-and-countin...

A fascinating account.


How accurate are the Poseidon & Jason satellites?

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Jason, the successor to the TOPEX/POSEIDON (T/P) mission, has been designed to continue seamlessly the decade-long altimetric sea level record initiated by T/P. Intersatellite calibration has determined the relative bias to an accuracy of 1.6 mm rms. Tide gauge calibration of the T/P record during its original mission shows a drift of −0.1 ± 0.4 mm/year. The tide gauge calibration of 20 months of nominal Jason data indicates a drift of −5.7 ± 1.0 mm/year, which may be attributable to errors in the orbit ephemeris and the Jason Microwave Radiometer. The analysis of T/P and Jason altimeter data over the past decade has resulted in a determination of global mean sea level change of +2.8 ± 0.4 mm/year.


Third time I posted this. Can you read it now or do I need to post it another few times?
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Reply #363 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 5:21pm:
The results indicate that the root-sum-square accuracy of a single-pass sea level measurement is 4.7 cm for the TOPEX system and 5.1 cm for the POSEIDON system


What don't you understand about that and Jason-2 3.4cm native accuracy?

You can't get an accuracy greater than that native accuracy, no matter what wonderful statistical tricks you pull. Wink
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Reply #364 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
Very accurate, drifts are minor and the readings recalibrated. Why do you struggle so much?
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Reply #365 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:55pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Very accurate, drifts are minor and the readings recalibrated. Why do you struggle so much?


Oh, How do you recalibrate a reading from an accuracy of 3.4cm or 34mm down to 3 to 4mm?
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Reply #366 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
You said you were in a signals unit? Electric/Electronic YOU said. Were you, as I suspect, the orderly room clerk? You are not going to tell me you were in the technical side? You never calibrated a galvanometer?

Oh boy, Lees, careful how you answer here. Desperation leaks out of you, don’t start babbling worse than usual.
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Reply #367 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:05pm:
You said you were in a signals unit? Electric/Electronic YOU said. Were you, as I suspect, the orderly room clerk? You are not going to tell me you were in the technical side?

Oh boy, Lees, careful how you answer here. Desperation leaks out of you, don’t start babbling worse than usual.


Yes. Must be desperation that makes me able to ask questions you can't answer.  Wink

But please humour us. Tell us how an instrument accurate to 3.4cm can be "re-calibrated" to read 3 to 4 mm. Don't forget it is on a satellite. They can't just switch to updated modules. Wink
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Reply #368 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm
 
Ummmm those comments were all about drift?

So you were the orderly room clerk!
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Reply #369 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Ummmm those comments were all about drift?

So you were the orderly room clerk!


Wrong. YOUR comments may have been all about drift. My comments have been about instrument accuracy. Wink
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Reply #370 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Yup, you were the orderly room clerk and know nothing of the technical side.

Sensitive instruments drift and have to be recalibrated. If you had taken ANY interest in the technical side of what you say was your unit you would have known that.

I bet you make a nice return of equipment loaned out an returned tho.

And make a nice pot of tea.
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Reply #371 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:42pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Sensitive instruments drift and have to be recalibrated.



Yes. That's why quite often they are placed in a stable oven to keep drift to a minimum. Of course calibration has nothing to do with the instruments native accuracy. A frequency counter may be accurate +- 2Hz/MHz and can be calibrated to zero, usually. If it can't be calibrated it has to be repaired.

By the way did you calculate the IR window in Harries? It is about 18THz - 48THz. 1THz is equal to 1,000,000Mhz.  Small eh? Wink
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Reply #372 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:48pm
 
So, what did you do in that “electrical/electronic + cipher” unit? Orderly room clerk wasn’t it? Pay books, leave rosters, returns of equipment on issue/unserviceable?

Because you know Jack Schidt about technical matters, right?

Bake electronic equipment?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #373 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:57pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:48pm:
Bake electronic equipment? 



Oh dear. You really show your incomprehension.

"A crystal oven is a temperature-controlled chamber used to maintain the quartz crystal in electronic crystal oscillators at a constant temperature, in order to prevent changes in the frequency due to variations in ambient temperature."

source: wiki.

Come back when you have a modicum of knowledge. Wink
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Reply #374 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:57pm
 
Poor Lees, the truth comes out.

No idea about technical matters.
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