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Reply #270 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Yes, the extent and volume of ice in the Arctic is shrinking.

Ignoring the diagrams of those 2 consecutive years of Greenland and the Arctic where you alarmists were crapping on about Ice loss before eh.
How convenient your memory is so appalling. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #271 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 5:44pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
It wouldn’t take 3 years now even for a 13HP ship.


No? Of course the ships these says are longer than 70 feet. Have modern navigation aids. Have icebreaker escorts.
So what size motor would you put in them?

"However, a Chinese shipping line is planning regular voyages of cargo ships using the passage to the eastern United States and Europe, after a successful passage by Nordic Orion of 73,500 tonnes deadweight tonnage in September 2013."

Source : wiki

Nordic Orion 738 feet.

"On the flip side, however, when ships move at slower speeds with higher variability in engine load, they produce more particulate emissions—like black carbon—since the engine is operating below its optimum combustion efficiency. "

http://www.marineinsight.com/green-shipping/arctic-sea-shipping-emissions-matter...

Oh DEAR.

But please feel free to prove me wrong and dot it yourself in a wooden boat powered by a 13HP engine. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #272 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 5:51pm
 
Even a 13hp boat would not take 3 years to navigate the NW Passage now.

Why not think about that for a minute?
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Reply #273 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 5:51pm:
Even a 13hp boat would not take 3 years to navigate the NW Passage now.

Why not think about that for a minute?


That is an assertion. Something you are quite good at. Now show it somehow. Take that trip you know you want to.
Or are you trippin' already?

Are the conditions exactly the same now as then? You haven't even looked at what conditions were like then.
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Reply #274 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
Thinking not your thing? I thought as much.
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Reply #275 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Thinking not your thing? I thought as much.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Thinking not your thing? I thought as much.


You didn't think. It must be that Alzheimer's.
First you have to predict the next two years ice. But your crystal ball should tell you that. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #276 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 11:45am
 
JM has now added master mariner and polar navigator to his vast list of attributes. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #277 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
As the globe warms and the tropics get wetter you would expect mosquito borne diseases to spread and hit more people. Yup:

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Researchers are using the unprecedented outbreak to study the emerging disease in real time. And they’re uncovering lessons that could buy time for health officials to mobilize a response to mosquito-borne disease before another outbreak occurs.

Beard explained that Zika infections, like almost all diseases spread by mosquitoes, hinge on two variables: infected hosts and capable carriers.

For Zika to spread, a mosquito that’s able to carry the virus has to bite a person already carrying it. The virus then needs enough time to reproduce inside the mosquito. The insect then has to bite an uninfected person. Health officials have also found that the virus can be spread sexually.

This means that people are key to spreading the disease across borders and oceans—not just mosquitoes.

“The virus was introduced by infected travelers returning to the United States from an area with active Zika transmission,” Beard said. “Because this was the first global outbreak of Zika virus, virtually everyone in the United States (and globally) had not been infected and was therefore susceptible to infection.”

Predicting human behavior is difficult, so some scientists focused on the mosquito.
The number of Aedes mosquitoes rises and falls depending on temperature and rainfall, so researchers reasoned that climate variables could portend their spread.
In a paper published earlier this month in the journal Frontiers in Microbiology, researchers asked, “Could the recent zika epidemic have been predicted?”

The short answer is no.

However, they used climate data from afflicted regions to build a model for Aedes populations. That helped researchers highlight potential infection hot spots for mosquito-borne disease transmission one to three months in advance.

“Both the mosquitos that transmit Zika and the virus itself are climate-sensitive,” said co-author Ángel Muñoz, a postdoctoral research associate in atmospheric and oceanic science at Princeton University, in an email.

“High temperatures, like the ones observed during the record-breaking years 2015 and 2016, generally increase the virus replication rates and also the speed of mosquito reproduction,” he explained. “The overall effect of high temperatures is an increase in the potential risk of transmission.”

There are three main time scales to consider when it comes to warming: annual temperature variation from factors like warming in the Pacific Ocean during El Niño years, decadal temperature swings and long-term temperature increases from global warming.
Last year, all three trends were on an upswing, leading to an unusually potent brew for diseases carried by Aedes mosquitoes.

There were also paradoxes. It rained a lot last year, a trait that would seem to drive mosquito populations and the virus. But that didn’t necessarily happen.

“We had very high rates of Zika transmission where it was very warm and very dry,” said co-author Madeleine Thomson, a senior research scientist at the International Research Institute for Climate and Society at Columbia University. “In poor areas, people don’t necessarily have access to good running water, so they store water, and that water storage increases [mosquito] breeding sites.”

On the other hand, periods of heavy rain created stagnant water pools that became ideal breeding sites for Aedes mosquitoes.

With these factors in mind, researchers constructed a computer model and tested it to see how well its projections aligned with how the virus actually spread. They could see climate signals of an outbreak a month ahead of time and, in some geographical areas, as much as three months before it might happen.

There are a few caveats. The scientists said the model could forecast at the country level and for some large regions, but it does not provide useful enough information at smaller scales, like cities or villages.

They also note that Aedes mosquitoes also spread dengue and chikungunya, two other notorious tropical diseases, so the model effectively measures risks of all three diseases rather than any one of them alone.


http://www.eenews.net/
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Reply #278 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Beard explained that Zika infections, like almost all diseases spread by mosquitoes, hinge on two variables: infected hosts and capable carriers.



"Aedes is a genus of mosquitoes originally found in tropical and subtropical zones, but now found on all continents except Antarctica. "

source: Wiki

People travel. They will be the carriers. The mosquitoes are already established,we're doomed. Wink
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Reply #279 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Still the mosquitoes doing to most damage and there are other mosquito–borne diseases.
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Reply #280 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Still the mosquitoes doing to most damage and there are other mosquito–borne diseases.


yep. malaria - supposedly a tropical disease in 15th - 19th century Britain. During the LIA.
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Reply #281 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:14pm
 
Mosquito and their borne diseases apparently are all transferred by climate according to Monk.
That's a newy... even for you Monk.
Recent outbreaks were due to infected insects and humans travelling from other countries.  A mosquito bites an infected person and continues the cycle.

Did you mention that I must have missed it.
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Reply #282 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:21pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Beard explained that Zika infections, like almost all diseases spread by mosquitoes, hinge on two variables: infected hosts and capable carriers.



"Aedes is a genus of mosquitoes originally found in tropical and subtropical zones, but now found on all continents except Antarctica. "

source: Wiki

People travel. They will be the carriers. The mosquitoes are already established,we're doomed. Wink

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Reply #283 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 12:04am
 
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“High temperatures, like the ones observed during the record-breaking years 2015 and 2016, generally increase the virus replication rates and also the speed of mosquito reproduction,” he explained. “The overall effect of high temperatures is an increase in the potential risk of transmission.”

There are three main time scales to consider when it comes to warming: annual temperature variation from factors like warming in the Pacific Ocean during El Niño years, decadal temperature swings and long-term temperature increases from global warming.
Last year, all three trends were on an upswing, leading to an unusually potent brew for diseases carried by Aedes mosquitoes.

There were also paradoxes. It rained a lot last year, a trait that would seem to drive mosquito populations and the virus. But that didn’t necessarily happen.

“We had very high rates of Zika transmission where it was very warm and very dry,” said co-author Madeleine Thomson, a senior research scientist at the International Research Institute for Climate and Society at Columbia University. “In poor areas, people don’t necessarily have access to good running water, so they store water, and that water storage increases [mosquito] breeding sites.”

On the other hand, periods of heavy rain created stagnant water pools that became ideal breeding sites for Aedes mosquitoes.

With these factors in mind, researchers constructed a computer model and tested it to see how well its projections aligned with how the virus actually spread. They could see climate signals of an outbreak a month ahead of time and, in some geographical areas, as much as three months before it might happen.

There are a few caveats. The scientists said the model could forecast at the country level and for some large regions, but it does not provide useful enough information at smaller scales, like cities or villages.

They also note that Aedes mosquitoes also spread dengue and chikungunya, two other notorious tropical diseases, so the model effectively measures risks of all three diseases rather than any one of them alone.

Since Zika is a new disease in the Americas, it’s still too early to tell whether it will follow in the footsteps of its cousins or forge its own path through the Americas or around the world.
“The model is not going to differentiate whether it’s Zika or dengue or chikungunya,” Thomson said. “It’s just telling you that transmission suitability is up.”

She added that the key to filling in the blanks with infection forecasts is better data, getting more granular information over smaller regions and measuring over different time scales.
As the climate changes and humanity becomes more mobile across the planet, health officials are bracing for viruses like Zika to take root in new environs and for new infections to emerge in its wake.

“We are seeing an accelerated threat from mosquito-borne diseases overall,” said the CDC’s Beard. “Over the past few decades, we have seen a resurgence of dengue and the introduction of West Nile, chikungunya, and now Zika virus into the Western Hemisphere.”
“It is very hard to determine which one might come next—Zika virus wasn’t on anyone’s radar screen before it became an international threat,” he added. “What we do know is that in this age of globalization, more will be coming—we just don’t know from where or when.”


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Reply #284 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:30am
 
A history of climate science:

https://skepticalscience.com/history-climate-science.html

Reading the comments, there is a book on the history of climate science:

The Discovery of Global Warming: Revised and Expanded Edition (New Histories of Science, Technology, and Medicine) 2nd Edition
by Spencer R. Weart  (Author)


Reckon I will order that!
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