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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #240 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:14pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:01pm: Changing to new varieties But you said - Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am: Spanish wine industry turning to old grape varieties So old is new again. Hallelujah and pass the port.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #241 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:15pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:03pm: Wildfires in SE France. (ABC News) Wow. In summer. Who woudda thunk.
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Reply #242 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:17pm

lee wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 12:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

Why, Lees, you aren’t saying temperatures have to be constant are you?

No JM. But old varieties strongly suggests a change in climate. But according to you climate change/AGW is a new beastie on the block. Wink

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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No one ever said climate never changed before: you're all strawmen buddy!

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It's about the rate of change,... another billion page circle jerk- climate deniers just hate their kids full stop end of story! They don't call them the blue-bloods for nothing! Cheesy

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #243 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 2:42pm Yeah. Also different cause. Also—already gone further in warming and no end in sight.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #244 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:46pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 2:42pm: Yeah. Also different cause. Also—already gone further in warming and no end in sight. What different cause? Already gone further than what?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #245 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:47pm AGW has pushed global temps higher than they were in the MWP.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #246 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:52pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:47pm: AGW has pushed global temps higher than they were in the MWP. Before or after adjustment of the MWP?
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Reply #247 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 4:20pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

It's about the rate of change,

Phil Jones CRU -

"Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

Here are the trends and significances for each period:
Period    Length Trend
                              (Degrees C per decade) Significance
1860-1880 21 0.163                                        Yes
1910-1940 31 0.15                                        Yes
1975-1998 24 0.166                                        Yes
1975-2009 35 0.161 Yes"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

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Reply #248 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 4:42pm

lee wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

It's about the rate of change,

Phil Jones CRU -

"Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

Here are the trends and significances for each period:
Period    Length Trend
                              (Degrees C per decade) Significance
1860-1880 21 0.163                                        Yes
1910-1940 31 0.15                                        Yes
1975-1998 24 0.166                                        Yes
1975-2009 35 0.161 Yes"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

What year was that article?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #249 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:15pm TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 4:42pm: What year was that article? Go to the link and find out.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #250 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:27pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 2:42pm: Yeah. Also different cause. Also—already gone further in warming and no end in sight.
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #251 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:40pm lee wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:15pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 4:42pm: What year was that article? Go to the link and find out. You don't think I did that
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Reply #252 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:42pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Yeah.

Also different cause. Also—already gone further in warming and no end in sight.

http://epaabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/chickenlittle1.jpg

Do you know how many versions of that story there are?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #253 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:51pm TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:40pm: You don't think I did that Well then why ask? Did you think that the date had some impact on the metrics he produced?
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Reply #254 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:08pm

lee wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 5:40pm:

You don't think I did that

Well then why ask?

Did you think that the date had some impact on the metrics he produced?

I'm saying the Arctic sea ice has only really got bad in the last ten years!

That's the real thermometer

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