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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #210 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:16pm What about the volcanoes in the Rift etc in Antarctica? Did you notice what the study set out to do?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #211 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:18pm There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere pre industrial revolution. 410ppm v 280ppm. That seems pretty clear, not? Going to quibble with that? Going to quibble that the extra CO2 is not heating the earth? It is, you know.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #212 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 2:17pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:18pm: There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere pre industrial revolution. Your claim was that it was all anthropogenic.
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Reply #213 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 2:34pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere pre industrial revolution.

410ppm v 280ppm.

That seems pretty clear, not? Going to quibble with that?

Going to quibble that the extra CO2 is not heating the earth? It is, you know.

The logarithmic effect of CO2

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Throw more carbon up there and most of the extra gas is just “unemployed” molecules.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/4-carbon-dioxide-is-already-absorbing-almost-al...

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Reply #214 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:04pm

JoNova is a paid denier shill publishing Heartland Institute obfuscation and false science.

That histogram is very misleading.

In any case, the more CO2 the more AGW.

How do you explain Venus, Ajax? It is closer to the sun, yes, but the temperature on Venus is FAR higher than the extra insolation compared to Earth can explain. The reason—the high CO2 content in the atmosphere of Venus.

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Reply #215 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:04pm:

JoNova is a paid denier shill publishing Heartland Institute obfuscation and false science.

That histogram is very misleading.

In any case, the more CO2 the more AGW.

How do you explain Venus, Ajax? It is closer to the sun, yes, but the temperature on Venus is FAR higher than the extra insolation compared to Earth can explain. The reason—the high CO2 content in the atmosphere of Venus.

Venus's atmosphere is 55.8 times denser than Earths.

Atmospheric Pressure on Earth = 1 bar

Atmospheric Pressure on Venus = 93 bar

Density of air on Earth = 1.2kg/m³

Density of air on Venus = 67kg/m³

67 / 1.2 = 55.8

It wouldn't matter which gas ruled Venus.

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Reply #216 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:20pm

It is still the CO2 that did it. All the carbonate rocks—gave up their carbon. That is why the atmosphere is so dense.

If the CO2 left the Venusian atmosphere—the planet would cool down.

All standard denier fare, none of it with any truth behind it.

The more CO2 the more warming we will get. The increments may be smaller but the temperature*still*increments*

Not is CO2 the only GHG. Methane and nitrous oxide are entering the atmosphere and they have 30 and 200 times the greenhouse potential of CO2.

A man faces unpleasant truths, does not hide or run away from them.

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Reply #217 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:27pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere pre industrial revolution.

410ppm v 280ppm.

That seems pretty clear, not? Going to quibble with that?

Going to quibble that the extra CO2 is not heating the earth? It is, you know.

LOL
Arguing correlation = causation again eh.... you alarmists just never let up on it do you?
But wait didn't I read somewhere you denied it? Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #218 - Jul 16^th, 2017 at 4:02pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:04pm: JoNova is a paid denier shill publishing Heartland Institute obfuscation and false science. Got a reference for that? Or is it another of your famous "facts"?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #219 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:53pm Another large aggressive wild fire, this time in California: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/19/538090510/-extreme-and-aggress...
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Reply #220 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:56pm

First half of 2017 was the second hottest recorded:

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At the halfway point of the year, 2017 remains the second-hottest year to date — a surprise given the demise of the El Niño that helped boost temperatures to record levels last year.

The continued near-record warmth is a marker of just how much global temperatures have risen thanks to the greenhouse gases accumulating in the atmosphere from fossil fuel use. . . .

The odds are good that 2017 will stay in second place through the end of the year, and it is even more likely that it will remain in at least the top three hottest years.

NOAA released its global temperature data for June on Tuesday, and ranked June as the third warmest in its records. The four warmest Junes in its records have all happened in the past four years. (NASA, which released its June numbers on Friday, ranked June as the fourth hottest. The two agencies handle the data slightly differently, which can lead to small differences in their rankings, though they strongly agree on recent warming.)

http://grist.org/article/the-first-half-of-2017-was-the-second-hottest-to-date/

No sign of an ice age is there, Booby?

The next El Nino year promises to be a right bastard!

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Reply #221 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 1:00pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/world-heritage-coral-reefs-likely-to-disappe...

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Last month, UNESCO released the first global scientific assessment of climate change impacts on World Heritage coral reefs. While international media has regularly reported on bleaching at the Great Barrier Reef, we knew that was just the tip of the iceberg. The El Nino and climate-fueled temperature spikes that were wiping out corals in Australia were also causing serious damage to reefs in Costa Rica, Mexico, France, the United States, the Philippines, and the Seychelles. And that is just the beginning of the story.

It only takes a spike of 1 to 2 degrees to threaten the health of coral reefs. As seawater heats up, coral animals expel the microscopic algae they rely on for energy. If heat stress lasts too long, and corals don’t reabsorb the algae, they can die. Reefs can recover from bleaching, but it takes 15 to 25 years, and with climate change causing more frequent heat waves, we are approaching the breaking point of these fragile systems.

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Reply #222 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

Oh, No huffpo, that great scientific publication. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

It only takes a spike of 1 to 2 degrees to threaten the health of coral reefs

Yes. If fast enough. A sudden upward spike or downward spike will cause bleaching.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

The El Nino and climate-fueled temperature spikes that were wiping out corals in Australia

There is no comeback from a wipe out. Just a trifle emotive. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #223 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 1:36pm Not with AGW making the seas hotter and hotter.
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Reply #224 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 2:16pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 1:18pm:

There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere pre industrial revolution.

410ppm v 280ppm.

That seems pretty clear, not? Going to quibble with that?

Going to quibble that the extra CO2 is not heating the earth? It is, you know.

here we go again with just another of Monks empty headed tactic... he denies it of course.

CORRELATION EQUALS CAUSATION....

Sure it does Monk.... Cheesy

I don't recall saying Correlation vs Causation.
If ever I do it will be a typo.

I'm guessing you don't know what you are saying so other peoples comments leave you even more lost.

Oh and I was right again... you denied it again.

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