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Reply #105 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 2:02pm
 
I found a pretty graph too..

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and another...

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Reply #107 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 2:05pm
 
oh and the BIGGER picture...

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Reply #108 - Jun 27th, 2017 at 8:44pm
 
Sea level rise gets an uptick:

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/879492932352528384/1PACZ1Px?format=jpg

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The rate of global sea level rise has increased by 50 per cent in a little over two decades, a study from Australian and international researchers has found.

The study, published by Nature Climate Change, used refined satellite estimates to show global sea level rise has increased from 2.2 millimetres each year in 1993, to 3.3 millimetres each year in 2014.


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/rate-of-global-sea-level-rise-jumps-50-per-cen...

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It was launched in an effort to understand why an accelerated rate of sea-level rise, between 1993 and 2014, had not been accurately represented in data from altimeters [satellite instruments used to measure height or altitude], despite accelerating contributions from ice sheets.

According to researchers from Qingdao National Laboratory for Marine Science and Technology, CSIRO Australia and the Universities of NSW, Tasmania and Arizona, the dramatic increase is thought to be mostly related to the melting of the Greenland ice sheet.


Hence all the ice choking the sea off Newfoundland. And Dubyne said it was proof of the ridiculous LIA  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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The Greenland Ice Sheet contributed 5 per cent of the total sea level rise in 1993, by 2014 this figure increased to about 25 per cent. Photo: New York Times



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"We don't know exactly why the pace has increased, as ice sheets are dynamic and quite complex," said report co-author Xuebin Zhang, senior scientist of CSIRO oceans and atmosphere.

"Based on robust estimates of the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet ... maybe it's from the surface melting and also the discharge of the ice gradually into the ocean," he said.

"Both processes cause a shifting of mass from the Greenland ice sheet into the ocean, so as long as you have the mass shifting from land to ocean, you will get this sea level rise effect."

The team of researchers compared satellite data between 1993 and 2014 with other environmental changes that contribute to sea level rise, such as thermal expansion, melting of land ice and changes to the amount of water stored on land.


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Reply #109 - Jun 27th, 2017 at 9:22pm
 
Very interesting.

Are they using tide gauge data, you know like in Tasmania?

Photos of erosion? Again like you showed in Tasmania?

Satellite data?

Or a tricky bit of legerdemain, and adding tide gauge data to satellite  data?

I guess it is satellite data, it is only from 1993. Can you show tide gauge data that shows the same. It should be easy with those you beaut climate averaging models. Grin Grin Grin

Edit: Kiribati-

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You would think there would be some sign for Kiribati. But no.

Perhaps you can give us one of these sites that show increased sea level there. Marshall Islands?
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Reply #110 - Jun 27th, 2017 at 11:20pm
 
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The increasing rate of global mean sea-level rise during 1993–2014

Xianyao Chen,      Xuebin Zhang,      John A. Church,      Christopher S. Watson,      Matt A. King,      Didier Monselesan,      Benoit Legresy      & Christopher Harig
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Global mean sea level (GMSL) has been rising at a faster rate during the satellite altimetry period (1993–2014) than previous decades, and is expected to accelerate further over the coming century1. However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods2 have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades3, 4, 5. Here we show that the rise, from the sum of all observed contributions to GMSL, increases from 2.2 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 1993 to 3.3 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 2014. This is in approximate agreement with observed increase in GMSL rise, 2.4 ± 0.2 mm yr−1 (1993) to 2.9 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 (2014), from satellite observations that have been adjusted for small systematic drift, particularly affecting the first decade of satellite observations6. The mass contributions to GMSL increase from about 50% in 1993 to 70% in 2014 with the largest, and statistically significant, increase coming from the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet, which is less than 5% of the GMSL rate during 1993 but more than 25% during 2014. The suggested acceleration and improved closure of the sea-level budget highlights the importance and urgency of mitigating climate change and formulating coastal adaption plans to mitigate the impacts of ongoing sea-level rise.


http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate3325.html
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Reply #111 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 7:30am
 
Long article on the science of ice sheets and their melting:

http://environment.harvard.edu/news/general/answers-ice
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Reply #112 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:54am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Here you go:



As I suspected satellite not tide gauge.

from Jason -2

"Measure the surface topography of the world's oceans to within a few centimetres, which is important for accurately describing seasonal and inter-annual climate variations, etc. "

https://www.eumetsat.int/jason/print.htm

A few centimetres? 20-30mm accuracy? Too funny.

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Reply #113 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:42pm
 
So, you didn’t understand the article? Probably didn’t bother reading it, skimmed it just looking for something to sneer at.
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Reply #114 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
LOL
the world (mostly Western democracies)
are being asked to spend Trillions of dollars for almost no appreciable outcome.

The IPCC started this as a wealth redistribution scheme.
That is the true consequence.
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Reply #115 - Jun 28th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
So, you didn’t understand the article? Probably didn’t bother reading it, skimmed it just looking for something to sneer at.



So you don't understand accuracy of measurement. Oh dear.
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Reply #116 - Jun 30th, 2017 at 12:10am
 
This wouldn't be Lee trying to argue with the person and not argue about the issue would it? Usually that's the debating technique either idiots or people with nothing to back up their opinions use.
Of course, you could prove me wrong and provide some peer reviewed evidence that supports any of the "wisdom" that you post here, but we all know that's never going to happen Grin
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Reply #117 - Jun 30th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 12:10am:
This wouldn't be Lee trying to argue with the person and not argue about the issue would it? Usually that's the debating technique either idiots or people with nothing to back up their opinions use.
Of course, you could prove me wrong and provide some peer reviewed evidence that supports any of the "wisdom" that you post here, but we all know that's never going to happen



You are so funny.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods2 have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades3, 4, 5. Here we show that the rise, from the sum of all observed contributions to GMSL, increases from 2.2 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 1993 to 3.3 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 2014


lee wrote on Jun 28th, 2017 at 11:54am:
from Jason -2

"Measure the surface topography of the world's oceans to within a few centimetres, which is important for accurately describing seasonal and inter-annual climate variations, etc. "

https://www.eumetsat.int/jason/print.htm

A few centimetres? 20-30mm accuracy? Too funny.



Now you do understand that an accuracy of centimetres cannot give readings accurate to 0.3mm.

Or if you have a different view please give it, with citation. Wink

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 12:10am:
you could prove me wrong and provide some peer reviewed evidence that supports any of the "wisdom" that you post here,


Being able to read would be a good start.

BTW - What was the outcome of your review of AR5. Chapter9 Table 9.5. Wink




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Reply #118 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:00am
 
lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
BTW - What was the outcome of your review of AR5. Chapter9 Table 9.5. Wink




Given I think the AR5 is an unwieldy piece of politico-science I prefer to base my opinions on peer reviewed studies. But i'm funny like that. And again,your cherry picking. Everything you base your arguments on are just fragments of science. distorted for your own purpose. its gross.
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Reply #119 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:00am:
lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
BTW - What was the outcome of your review of AR5. Chapter9 Table 9.5. Wink




Given I think the AR5 is an unwieldy piece of politico-science I prefer to base my opinions on peer reviewed studies.


Strange. The IPCC claim they use peer-reviewed studies. Are you saying they cherry-pick? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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