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Hirsi Ali: Waleed Aly has "stake" with extremists
Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:15pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/television/controversial-antiislamic-a...

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Talking to Andrew Bolt on Sky News last night, the former Dutch politician said: “If I analysed that kind of language and those arguments I think that he (Waleed Aly) is someone who has some form of a stake in a Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation.

What language, what arguments?

This simply doesn't make sense - nobody who actually has listened to or read Waleed's arguments and language pertaining to Islam and muslims - could possibly accuse him of having any sort of stake with a "Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation". I can't think of an aussie muslims who has been more dedicated to appealing to common ground between muslims and non-muslims and building bridges.

I frankly expected more from Hirsi Ali, this is below the belt, and she should be above such trash talk.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Hirsi Ali: Waleed Aly has "stake" with extremists Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:22pm No surprise to me Gandalf.
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Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:33pm

boges - you're right in the sense its no surprise at all that the anti-Islam outrage machine would target a much loved, prominent, successful and decidedly uncontroversial muslim with baseless slurs - in a desperate attempt to manufacture controversy against him.

Whats really sad here is it exposes Hirsi Ali's theme about muslims needing to reform themselves - as a complete ruse. I can't think of an Aussie muslims who has been more at the forefront with regards to calling out backward Islamic behaviour, condemning muslims behaving badly, and yes, the need for muslims to reform. But of course, because he is so popular on both sides - cheering him on won't drive the wedge in Australian society that she is trying so hard to do.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36843 Gender:	Re: Hirsi Ali: Waleed Aly has "stake" with extremists Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:18pm Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled is in league with extremists when the converse is evidently true clearly exposes that. It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.
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Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

boges - you're right in the sense its no surprise at all that the anti-Islam outrage machine would target a much loved, prominent, successful and decidedly uncontroversial muslim with baseless slurs - in a desperate attempt to manufacture controversy against him.

Whats really sad here is it exposes Hirsi Ali's theme about muslims needing to reform themselves - as a complete ruse. I can't think of an Aussie muslims who has been more at the forefront with regards to calling out backward Islamic behaviour, condemning muslims behaving badly, and yes, the need for muslims to reform. But of course, because he is so popular on both sides - cheering him on won't drive the wedge in Australian society that she is trying so hard to do.

well as you can see by your very reaction..

she is wrong automatically

Waleed is all good...

we get that from you gandy.....anyone says anything negative about Muslims is

anti muslim..

couldnt possibly have any truth attached to it..

do you know this person?

do you personally know Waleed??

no of course you dont...only what you read....

or what waleed is very careful to say on the Project..

I read today where a community is against an Islamic school being built in their neighbourhood...[what else is new]..... they said many Muslims were moving into their area to get away from main stream Islam.. they want to blend in with Australians and their kids to go to Public schools...

whats wrong with that idea Gandy is that anti Muslim of them to feel like that?..

is it not something we aussies should encourage????>.

I am a great believer in

when in Rome do as the Romans do..

I think we should encourage them to accept what this country is about....believe in your god by all means....

but cultural beliefs that are unlawful in our country .. have to be left at the gate..

do not take us or our laws for granted......

thats what puts my back up..

and that doesnt just go for Muslims...its anyone that comes here and abuses us..or our way of life.

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Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:52pm

mothra wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled is in league with extremists when the converse is evidently true clearly exposes that.

It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.

who would you have rather she spoke too?..

lets be fair! he may have been the only one interested in talking to her.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 7:11pm

mothra wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled is in league with extremists when the converse is evidently true clearly exposes that.

It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.

It all just depends on what is the definition of an extremist.

I call the Imams in the major mosques who spread Saudi style puritanical garbage extremists.

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Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 7:39pm

mothra wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda.

Did you expect an ex muslim who has suffered Female Genital Mutilation to praise Islam considering the numerous death threats she receives from muslims who you support?

Does Richard Dawkins have a toxic agenda or is that a tag that only applies to ex muslims?

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Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

cods wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

boges - you're right in the sense its no surprise at all that the anti-Islam outrage machine would target a much loved, prominent, successful and decidedly uncontroversial muslim with baseless slurs - in a desperate attempt to manufacture controversy against him.

Whats really sad here is it exposes Hirsi Ali's theme about muslims needing to reform themselves - as a complete ruse. I can't think of an Aussie muslims who has been more at the forefront with regards to calling out backward Islamic behaviour, condemning muslims behaving badly, and yes, the need for muslims to reform. But of course, because he is so popular on both sides - cheering him on won't drive the wedge in Australian society that she is trying so hard to do.

well as you can see by your very reaction..

she is wrong automatically

Waleed is all good...

we get that from you gandy.....anyone says anything negative about Muslims is

anti muslim..

couldnt possibly have any truth attached to it..

do you know this person?

do you personally know Waleed??

no of course you dont...only what you read....

or what waleed is very careful to say on the Project..

I read today where a community is against an Islamic school being built in their neighbourhood...[what else is new]..... they said many Muslims were moving into their area to get away from main stream Islam.. they want to blend in with Australians and their kids to go to Public schools...

whats wrong with that idea Gandy is that anti Muslim of them to feel like that?..

is it not something we aussies should encourage????>.

I am a great believer in

when in Rome do as the Romans do..

I think we should encourage them to accept what this country is about....believe in your god by all means....

but cultural beliefs that are unlawful in our country .. have to be left at the gate..

do not take us or our laws for granted......

thats what puts my back up..

and that doesnt just go for Muslims...its anyone that comes here and abuses us..or our way of life.

do you personally know Waleed??

No? then STFU

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Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 11:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

This simply doesn't make sense - nobody who actually has listened to or read Waleed's arguments and language pertaining to Islam and muslims - could possibly accuse him of having any sort of stake with a "Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation". I can't think of an aussie muslims who has been more dedicated to appealing to common ground between muslims and non-muslims and building bridges.

I frankly expected more from Hirsi Ali, this is below the belt, and she should be above such trash talk.

A "Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation" is a Sunni moslem militant group.

A "Hezbollah-type of organisation" is a Shia counterpart, moslem militant group.

Waleed Aly. ?

What complexion of moslem would Waleed Aly be gandalf ?

Oh yeah, Waleed Aly would be one of those [my wife should wear an ISLAMIC headscarf], but i'm a secular loving Shia moslem. Honest!

"We Shia moslems love infidels and we love secular life in Australia. Honest. Coz we Shia, are the moslems who love infidelity. Honest."

- Waleed Aly - not really

No ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #11 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 12:10am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

This simply doesn't make sense - nobody who actually has listened to or read Waleed's arguments and language pertaining to Islam and muslims - could possibly accuse him of having any sort of stake with a "Muslim brotherhood-type of organisation". I can't think of an aussie muslims who has been more dedicated to appealing to common ground between muslims and non-muslims and building bridges.

I frankly expected more from Hirsi Ali, this is below the belt, and she should be above such trash talk.

Moslems like gandalf and Waleed Aly, would try to convince us, that Shia ISLAM, is the more civilised and tolerant expression of ISLAM.

Be warned, there is no 'moderate' expression of ISLAM.

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Sina Dehghan, 21, was arrested by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) when he was 19 for "insulting Islam". Charges were brought against him for insulting the Prophet Muhammad on the messaging app LINE.

"During his interrogation, Sina was told that if he signed a confession and repented, he would be pardoned and let go," said the source in an interview with CHRI on March 21, 2017. "Unfortunately, he made a childish decision and accepted the charges. Then they sentenced him to death." "Later he admitted that he signed the confession hoping to get freed," said the source. "Apparently the authorities also got him to confess in front of a camera as well."

Sentenced to Death for "Insulting Islam"
by Majid Rafizadeh
April 7, 2017
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10170/iran-insulting-islam

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When the Islamists gain power, they immediately create their own "judiciary system" in order to "legitimize" their implementation of sharia law. In fact, the judiciary system is used less as a tool for bringing people to justice, and more as a tool to suppress freedom of speech and of the press.

......For the Islamists, once you submit to their religion, your freedom of speech and of the press belong to Allah. Your only job is to exercise silence and obedience, and follow your religious leader, imam, sheikh, or velayat-e faqih ("guardianship of the Islamic jurist").

QUESTION;

Waleed Aly, for president, of the Australian Republic ???

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Re: Hirsi Ali: Waleed Aly has "stake" with extremists
Reply #12 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 10:16am

mothra wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Hirsi Ali, unfortunately, has a very toxic agenda. Stating categorically that Walled is in league with extremists when the converse is evidently true clearly exposes that.

It's also telling that she chose Andrew Bolt, of all people, to give an interview to.

This sounds like Gandalf's BS. Can you quote her?

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Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2017 at 1:25pm

A Muslim leader whose group planned to rally 5000 protesters outside a talk by anti-Islam activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the basis that she "condones violence and radicalises people" has previously met with a radical sheikh who promoted suicide bombing.

What did he say about Hirsi Ali?
"She shouldn't need to cancel her tour to Australia rather Australian immigration must ban her from entering Australia as she is an extremist who condones violence and radicalises people".

It is now people like Hirsi Ali who radicalise and condone violence, not the Muslims who actually radicalise and carry out the violence.

Unbelievable hypocrisy and double-speak. No wonder Muslims are simply not believed and not trusted.

Also listen to the initiator of that petition being as two-faced as gandalf, insisting that preventing Hirsi ALi from speaking in Australia is not denying her freedom to speak.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionandethicsreport/ayaan-hirsi...

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