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Reply #195 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:18pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:42pm:
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I think she called it, "Mob rule", FD.  What do you think of that description?   Roll Eyes



Can you substantiate that assertion, you contemptible little propagandist for the caliphate?


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, why do you bother?  I have substantiated it, twice.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


You didn't, Islamo-apologist. You quoted her associate she has fallen out with.


Once, perhaps, Soren.  Twice?  Nope.  Try again.  You're wasting all our time, you realise?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #196 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:18pm:
I have substantiated it, twice.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Once, perhaps, Soren.  Twice?  Nope. 


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You stupid old woman.

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Reply #197 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:18pm:
I have substantiated it, twice.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Once, perhaps, Soren.  Twice?  Nope. 


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You stupid old woman.


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Run along, Soren, run along.  Go back to your schoolyard where you can bully some Grade Ones.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #198 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:18pm:
I have substantiated it, twice.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Once, perhaps, Soren.  Twice?  Nope. 


Grin Grin Grin Grin

You stupid old woman.


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Run along, Soren, run along.  Go back to your schoolyard where you can bully some Grade Ones.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Once, twice, never - what'the difference, eh, Brian???



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Reply #199 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 11:18pm:
I have substantiated it, twice.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Once, perhaps, Soren.  Twice?  Nope. 


Grin Grin Grin Grin

You stupid old woman.


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Run along, Soren, run along.  Go back to your schoolyard where you can bully some Grade Ones.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Once, twice, never - what'the difference, eh, Brian???


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Run along, Soren, run along.  Go back to your schoolyard where you can bully some Grade Ones.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #200 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
I note you IGNORED me poinying out you lying about me yet again bwian...  its getting to be a habit with YOU isn't it.

TSK, TSK, TSK...

Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 10:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 5:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 9:30am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:15pm:
Yes those Nazis and Brownshirts march past my place everyday....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you invite them in for a nice cup of tea and a chat, Geoff?   We know you want to make them welcome, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, you old brownshirter.  I believe a Whirlpool can fix those stains for you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No bwian.... do you?
You really do need to stop your trolling, ad hom and flaming to not be called a hypocrite and a liar you know... Grin
Do you still think Nazis are a threat to our freedom and democracy these days? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
We all know you think Hanson is Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Careful bwian, all that jumping at shadows will do your heart in Roll Eyes


We all know what Pauline thinks of Democracy - "mob rule!", Geoff.   Such a wonderful person to have elected to the Senate - someone who doesn't understand or believe in democracy.

My opinion of Pauline has been coloured by such remarks.  Tsk, tsk, and you support her.    Roll Eyes

Oh dear....  Pauline repeated a line from david Oldfield how many years ago?  I'm sure if you asked her today she'd have a different answer.  I'm sure many people who have said things in the past (except for you of course) have said things and changed their minds on issues.  Only mindless bigots remain mindless bigots bwian... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Oh and bwian don't lie about who and what I support.
I support some of the party policies of the past, I support her right to free speech and to hold an opinion, I support her against liars and bigots like yourself. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Making excuses again, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Pauline made the statement, it was reported at the time and has not rescinded it.   She is undemocratic and hates the idea of the people telling her what to do.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Really bwian....  you are simply a biased obsessive bigot...  we all know that to be true.  Has anyone asked Pauline about that little gem?  No?  gee.... Grin Grin Grin
Seems to me you cant handle dissent either bwian...  that's why you lie and ridicule people who disagree with you, that is why you troll people and are a total hypocrite.
But hey...  we tolerate you... Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Disputing what Pauline said about Democracy, Geoff?  You better be careful, you might get drummed out of the Pauline Hanson Supporters' Club...

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Before the split Hanson was begged to correct the matter, to make the party democratic and transparent, but she refused. At one party meeting she was televised referring to democracy as "mob rule".

She boasted on Four Corners that One Nation was set up in such away that she could never be voted out as President. She would not risk losing control by giving her minions democracy.

[Source]

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Oh dear no I most clearly did not deny or dispute that bwian...  in fact I backed you up...  proving once more what a liar and hypocrite you are.


Keep up the good work bigot...  we have you pegged well and truly. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I've never been a Hanson fan bwian...  I supported her party policies,  and occasionally her, against liars and bigots like yourself when she deserved it. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

How long should I wait for an apology THIS TIME?
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Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democracy
Reply #201 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, it appears Geoff has another bee in his bonnet.  Tsk, tsk.  run along, Geoff, run along.   When are you going to apologise to me, with your accusations of my "lying" and "hypercriticalness" - which despite being challenged numerous times you have thus far failed to substantiate?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #202 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
Grendel wrote on Apr 26th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I note you IGNORED me pointing out you lying about me yet again bwian...  its getting to be a habit with YOU isn't it.

TSK, TSK, TSK...

Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 10:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 5:09pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 3:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 9:30am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 3:13pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 10:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:15pm:
Yes those Nazis and Brownshirts march past my place everyday....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you invite them in for a nice cup of tea and a chat, Geoff?   We know you want to make them welcome, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, you old brownshirter.  I believe a Whirlpool can fix those stains for you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No bwian.... do you?
You really do need to stop your trolling, ad hom and flaming to not be called a hypocrite and a liar you know... Grin
Do you still think Nazis are a threat to our freedom and democracy these days? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
We all know you think Hanson is Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Careful bwian, all that jumping at shadows will do your heart in Roll Eyes


We all know what Pauline thinks of Democracy - "mob rule!", Geoff.   Such a wonderful person to have elected to the Senate - someone who doesn't understand or believe in democracy.

My opinion of Pauline has been coloured by such remarks.  Tsk, tsk, and you support her.    Roll Eyes

Oh dear....  Pauline repeated a line from david Oldfield how many years ago?  I'm sure if you asked her today she'd have a different answer.  I'm sure many people who have said things in the past (except for you of course) have said things and changed their minds on issues.  Only mindless bigots remain mindless bigots bwian... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Oh and bwian don't lie about who and what I support.
I support some of the party policies of the past, I support her right to free speech and to hold an opinion, I support her against liars and bigots like yourself. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Making excuses again, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.  Pauline made the statement, it was reported at the time and has not rescinded it.   She is undemocratic and hates the idea of the people telling her what to do.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Really bwian....  you are simply a biased obsessive bigot...  we all know that to be true.  Has anyone asked Pauline about that little gem?  No?  gee.... Grin Grin Grin
Seems to me you cant handle dissent either bwian...  that's why you lie and ridicule people who disagree with you, that is why you troll people and are a total hypocrite.
But hey...  we tolerate you... Roll Eyes


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Disputing what Pauline said about Democracy, Geoff?  You better be careful, you might get drummed out of the Pauline Hanson Supporters' Club...

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Before the split Hanson was begged to correct the matter, to make the party democratic and transparent, but she refused. At one party meeting she was televised referring to democracy as "mob rule".

She boasted on Four Corners that One Nation was set up in such away that she could never be voted out as President. She would not risk losing control by giving her minions democracy.

[Source]

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Oh dear no I most clearly did not deny or dispute that bwian...  in fact I backed you up...  proving once more what a liar and hypocrite you are.


Keep up the good work bigot...  we have you pegged well and truly. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I've never been a Hanson fan bwian...  I supported her party policies,  and occasionally her, against liars and bigots like yourself when she deserved it. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

How long should I wait for an apology THIS TIME?

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Reply #203 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, it appears Geoff has another bee in his bonnet.  Tsk, tsk.  run along, Geoff, run along.   When are you going to apologise to me, with your accusations of my "lying" and "hypercriticalness" - which despite being challenged numerous times you have thus far failed to substantiate?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

One doesn't need to apologise for the truth bwian...  YOU on the other had are a lying hypocrite....  aren't you... Cheesy
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Reply #204 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:18pm
 
bwian...  with every post you prove you are a lying hypocrite...    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #205 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:02am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:06am:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 7:39am:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:02am:
Islam is the biggest threat to the West from outside.



Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, from anywhere.


What makes you say that?



greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:13am:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:09am:
Just stating facts Greg.


I provided credible evidence from a reliable & reputable source to support my facts.

Will you be doing the same?


greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:33am:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:29am:
If I think it is necessary Greg.

If you think I am incorrect, feel free to give an example of a greater modern threat to freedom and democracy. Otherwise I am not going to bother proving something you agree with.


Oh, it's necessary alright.

You made the claim, so now the onus is on you to provide the proof.

Or, you could just ask more silly questions as a way of deflecting.



There is no onus on me to prove a statement that is bleeding obvious and which you agree with.
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Reply #206 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
They want the oldies to hurry up and die

They want the world's forums to be the sole province of those born around the 2000 mark, in other words, post the farce that was '9/11'

Because the oldies remember the world as it was pre '9/11'

and those oldies and middle aged remember the world when the word 'muslim' and 'islam' were rarely spoken, heard or thought about

Muslims lived in their place and we lived in ours and it was never suspected by the man in the street that the two would ever meet

'9/11' changed that to what we have now -- the West flooded with blunt tools known as muslims

and everything went to excreta

So it's not muslims who threaten the mythical freedom and democracy

those who threaten both are those who wield the blunt tools known as muslims

and if you don't know who's striking the muslim-hammer

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Reply #207 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 8:56pm
 
Greg is still trying to dig his way out of that hole:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:24pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:58am:
Auggie wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light?


No, you're right, it does not.

Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form.


Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?


Yes, at this point in time, it is.


How so?



Because of its global reach and global impact.

What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well.


What do you think is actually going to happen, though?

How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened?

Be specific.


Apologies for the delay.

An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure.

Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me.



Way to miss the point Greg.

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?


Without any help from Islam, here in Australia, Aboriginal people and women weren't permitted to vote.

Moreover, same sex marriage was not permitted, and homosexual acts were illegal.

Is that the sort of freedom you're talking about FD?

I'm curious.


Do you want us to bring freedom to the past as well Greg?

Can you give a straight answer to a simple question, or just change the topic?

Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"?


Way to miss the point, FD.

As always.

I'm demonstrating to you that we don't need Islam in this country in order to restrict people's freedoms.

We've been doing it for the last few hundred years without any help from Muslims.

It seems that you, along with Auggie, only like democracy when it gives the results that you want.

There are millions of people TODAY whose freedoms are under threat because of the current democratically elected government's policies.

However, you choose to ignore that fact because your mission in "life" is to demonise Muslims.

Am I right, FD?

I'm curious.


You got it backwards. Women did not have the vote before. They do now. Homosexuality was illegal. It is legal now. This is liberalisation Greg. It has been going on for centuries.

You'll find that the countries where democratically elected governments are the biggest risk to the freedom of their citizens also happen to be the ones with a majority muslim population.


Ah.  I see.

And was that because of Islam, or was it because of old, white, predominantly Christian, Australian men?

I'm curious.


Do you think women had the vote prior to Christianity? Or men? Or Australia?

Do you realise that the Arab countries only outlawed slavery because of interference by Christian nations?

Have you come up with any modern threats to freedom and democracy that even come close to Islam?
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Reply #208 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
Islam has not made any positive contribution to the West, it has brought only discord and degradation. Not a single good thing has come from Muslim immigration to any Western country.
Islam has brought only discord, backwardness, stupidity and violence.  Not a single improvement, not a single positive contribution. It is a disease infecting the West, nothing else.





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Reply #209 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:14pm
 
Islam pretty much destroyed western civilisation. The middle east had the most advanced civilisation on earth for 10 thousand years, until Islam came along. Only the European fringe survived it's influence.

Somehow Greg manages to flip all that on its head.
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