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Greg is still trying to dig his way out of that hole: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 8:25pm: freediver wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 6:24pm: freediver wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 6:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 6:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 5:47pm: Auggie wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 4:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 12:00pm: Auggie wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 11:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14 th, 2018 at 9:58am: Auggie wrote on Oct 13 th, 2018 at 12:45pm: freediver wrote on Oct 13 th, 2018 at 12:43pm: Auggie wrote on Oct 13 th, 2018 at 12:42pm: freediver wrote on Oct 13 th, 2018 at 12:34pm: When you say "intellectually sympathise", does that mean using a verse instructing Muslims not to obey the infidel to paint Islam in a better light? No, you're right, it does not. Once again I have engage in double think: I believe that Islam is a threat to global freedom and democracy but I'm not willing to discriminate against Muslims in any form. Would you say it is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy? Yes, at this point in time, it is. How so? Because of its global reach and global impact. What I will say though is that the far-right is rising and that could in the future pose global threat as well. What do you think is actually going to happen, though? How, for example, is Australia's democracy threatened? Be specific. Apologies for the delay. An example would be a situation in which Muslims make up a majority of the population of Australia. When this will happen I cannot say for sure. Let's assume that a significant minority of Muslims hold extremist views, which they do according to many polls. If 50% of the population become Muslim that means they would hold enough influence to form enough seats in Parliament to influence legislation - legislation preventing women from working, introducing polygamy, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like democracy to me. Way to miss the point Greg. Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"? Without any help from Islam, here in Australia, Aboriginal people and women weren't permitted to vote. Moreover, same sex marriage was not permitted, and homosexual acts were illegal. Is that the sort of freedom you're talking about FD? I'm curious. Do you want us to bring freedom to the past as well Greg? Can you give a straight answer to a simple question, or just change the topic? Do you agree that preventing women from working would be an example of how Islam is a threat to freedom, or is your understanding limited to blurting out idiocies like "that sounds like democracy"? Way to miss the point, FD. As always. I'm demonstrating to you that we don't need Islam in this country in order to restrict people's freedoms. We've been doing it for the last few hundred years without any help from Muslims. It seems that you, along with Auggie, only like democracy when it gives the results that you want. There are millions of people TODAY whose freedoms are under threat because of the current democratically elected government's policies. However, you choose to ignore that fact because your mission in "life" is to demonise Muslims. Am I right, FD? I'm curious. You got it backwards. Women did not have the vote before. They do now. Homosexuality was illegal. It is legal now. This is liberalisation Greg. It has been going on for centuries.
You'll find that the countries where democratically elected governments are the biggest risk to the freedom of their citizens also happen to be the ones with a majority muslim population. Ah. I see. And was that because of Islam, or was it because of old, white, predominantly Christian, Australian men? I'm curious. Do you think women had the vote prior to Christianity? Or men? Or Australia? Do you realise that the Arab countries only outlawed slavery because of interference by Christian nations? Have you come up with any modern threats to freedom and democracy that even come close to Islam?
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