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Islam greatest threat to freedom and democracy
Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:43pm

Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. Just ask these Muslims:

"Democracy and freedom on death row - Islam is coming. Defend the honour of the prophet Muhammed."

This is a point I have argued many times previously. Gandalf has offered other suggestions as to what is the greater threat. Obviously, vilifying Muslims is at the top of the list:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

I think this raises an interesting perspective in relation to who is under threat by whom in our democratic society. Evidently many non-muslim Australians see a great threat to our democracy by this single incident (the only one of its kind in the history of muslim settlement). Yet I would suspect that many other Australians would see a greater threat in the vilification of an entire minority, through baselessly attributing motives to their behaviour (ie they merely "self censor" instead of genuinely being opposed to extremism), not to mention simply making stuff up about what happened (eg an imaginary riot in Melbourne). Such vilification either ignores the constant overtures and messages of harmonious coexistence and non-violence, or make up creative sinnister explanations for these overtures. I would suspect a great number of Australians would see this sort of vilification a far greater threat to our freedom and democracy - not just for the muslim community, but for everyone.

Other favourites are "governments" and "threats to freedom and democracy".

His solution to threats to our freedom is to not embrace freedom:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

I know what you will counter with - that the antidote against the threats from both is to embrace freedom even more wholeheartedly; that a sort of "free market" political and intellectual environment will sort us all out for the better. I cannot agree with such an idealism, and I am particularly intolerant of it when it is being lectured by someone who is from the dominant, privileged strata of our society. Someone who will never experience real discrimination or prejudice, demanding that the most vulnerable stand up and embrace the idea that they should be mocked and ridiculed for their cultural and ethnic background.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1451794801/198#198

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92377 Gender:	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #1 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 8:49pm By freedom and democracy, you mean decent white people everywhere, right? Come on, FD, we're all friends here. You can be straight with us. Define freedom and democracy.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #2 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 7:52am You are such a racist karnal.... "I see "white" people..." Really?
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92377 Gender:	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #3 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:08am Grendel wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 7:52am: You are such a racist karnal.... "I see "white" people..." Really? Good point, Grendel. We're all racist. It's in our genes. We're biologically programmed to hate the tinted races. Good breeding, innit.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #4 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:20am No that's bullshit... YOU are a racist because you are an ignorant git... innit.
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Reply #5 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:33pm

By admitting there is a threat, the centre-left, is forced to reexamine its attitude of moral superiority, and the sense of its immigration policies. That is extremely painful for them, and in most cases they simply move away from the pain by pretending the threat does not exist. They are like the proverbial Lemmings.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92377 Gender:	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #6 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 7:47pm What threat, Issue? What's the greatest threat to freedom and democrcy in the West right now? I'm curious.
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Reply #7 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

What threat, Issue?

What's the greatest threat to freedom and democrcy in the West right now?

I'm curious.

Well. It started with out of control political correctness and liberal moral confusion of siding with islamists resulting in a pendulum over swing and the election of your Trump, Penn, Geert types.

Their heavy handed crackdown on islamists will polarise the Muslims world to a coordinated jihad ending in a dirty bomb attack on a western city.

What comes next will be a rout of Muslims from western countries, and for the likes of Karnal.....
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Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:41pm

I'm sorry, Gordon, I'm struggling a bit to understand. Here you are calling for your enemies to be thrown out of helicopters on mass, but you're saying people who support immigration are threatening our freedom and democrcy.

And you immigrated to our country yourself.

FD, is this the sort of thing you meant?

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Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:53pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

I'm sorry, Gordon, I'm struggling a bit to understand. Here you are calling for your enemies to be thrown out of helicopters on mass, but you're saying people who support immigration are threatening our freedom and democrcy.

And you immigrated to our country yourself.

FD, is this the sort of thing you meant?

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Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:59pm

If people have doubts about muslims imposing their ass backward beliefs on society they should look at what Iran was like before the Islamic revolution in 1979.
Click on images- google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=iran+before+revolution

Afghanistan was ok in the 1970's before the bearded nutjobs took over, click on images- google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Afghanistan+1970

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47467 At my desk.	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democrcy Reply #11 - Feb 25^th, 2017 at 8:56am But that is all America's fault Baron.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47467 At my desk.	Re: Islam greatest threat to freedom and democracy Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 12:32pm Apparently the guy who originally made the first poster is in jail in the UK for trying to join ISIS.
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Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 2:25pm

Anyone who thinks Australia does not have a problem with prison radicalisation should visit SuperMax during prayer time. They are all here. The names and faces behind a thousand headlines heralding mayhem and death. And with a handful of exceptions, the entire population of the SuperMax observes this daily ritual. They all believe the same thing: “There is no God but Allah and this is where He wants me.” For now.
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Everybody here has been sent because they were too hard to manage in other prisons or because of their link to terrorism. Thirty of the prison’s 48 inmates are here for terrorist-related offences....

Visits like this are rare in SuperMax and already the prisoners are getting toey. Young men with bushy Salafist beards press their faces against the heavy safety glass in their cell doors. Before long the shouting starts. “Power to Islam!” “The truth shall set you free!” and “Allahu Akbar!”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/to-the-supermax...

The vast majority in SuperMax are Muslims.

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Reply #14 - Apr 6^th, 2017 at 6:30pm

Apparently establishing two new democracies in the middle east, and spending about a millenia trying to reign in the Arab trade in European and African slaves means that the west is actually the greatest threat to freedom and democracy. We have no right to impose our opposition to slavery and support for democracy, and the Arabs have every right to reintroduce slavery.

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

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Ah, so you think "the west" the one that is currently establishing two new democracies in the middle east, the west that gave birth to the modern proliferation of freedom and democracy, the west that sent in warships to destroy the Arab slave ports - this is what you think is actually the biggest threat to freedom and democracy? Can you explain how?

Easily. We (the West) stuck our nose into business we had no right to, and those who business it is are pissed off that we did it, and they are fighting back.

If there is a War on Terror, there must be two sides, and one started the schit of them v us. It was not Arabs.

Arabia is for Arabs and the instant we realise that and get the ferk out, the greatest threat to our democracy and freedom disappears.

We have no right whatsoever to impose our values anywhere, using guns, and bombs.

Aussie wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

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Did the west put freedom at risk by dismantling the Arab slave trade?

Deflective crap. I just handed you your arse on current freedom and democracy and look at you....trawling up some irrelevancy to what we are dealing with now.

Declare your very personal hand in all this Effendi.

Arabia is for Arabs.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:38pm:

So you disagree that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, despite not being able to identify a greater threat?

I disagree that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy, however, I am able to identify a greater threat.

But you are not telling?

Are you asking?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 7:21pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:52pm:

You are right Greg. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

I'm always right, but I've never said anything like that.

Can you identify a greater current threat to freedom and democracy?

Can you stop misquoting me?

I didn't realise I had started.

Are you incapable of identifying a greater current threat to freedom and democracy than Islam?

You said: "You are right Greg. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy."

I am always right, however, I've never said "Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy".

So, can you stop crediting me with statements I haven't made?

Cheers.

You are right Greg. I said it.

Do you agree that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy?

As I said, I'm always right.

And no, I don't agree.

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 8:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 7:28pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Can you identify a greater current threat to freedom and democracy?

Would you accept any other suggestions?

Can you identify a greater current threat to freedom and democracy?

Would you accept any that are identified?

I suppose that depends on what it is. Are you asking me to give my response to you before you tell me what I am responding to?

Can you identify a greater current threat to freedom and democracy?

According to Gandalf, there is no evidence at all that Islam is behind the tendency for Muslims to be ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. When Muslims state quite clearly that they oppose freedom and democracy because of Islam, even putting it on a protest banner, not even that counts as evidence.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

No evidence at all eh?

correct.

A picture of some random guy with a banner is not evidence of the ideological motivation of people responding in a survey.

I reckon my 4 year old son could comprehend that.

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