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Yes. A bit of honesty would go a long way. Pretending Islam is not the problem just condemns more children to Islams pedophile industry.

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Make it all you want. I'll even help you. What translation version of verse 4:6 do you think establishes puberty as the minimum age for marriage? Pick any one you want.

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I would prefer we fix the problem rather than offering constant excuses and deflections for the root cause. Only religious devotion to that root cause could make you so willingly condemn so many children to the ongoing practice.

When we wanted to end slavery there was no such hand wringing. We just kept sending in armies and reshaping the middle east until it stopped. But what about the children?

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They have been trying to do this for 1400 years. Muhammed "recommended" people stop taking slaves. It never happened. Muhammed said he thinks less of wife beaters, but permitted it, so now the Muslim world is full of black eyes under hessian sacks. Muhammed said to respect women, despite using sex slavery to build an empire. So today we have Muslims following his example of using sex slaves to build an Islamic state. Muslims have offered various ways to reinterpret Muhammeds sex with children as putting some kind of limit on the age of consent. It never worked. It is never going to work. It simply creates the false impression that it has nothing to do with Islam among the political class who would otherwise do the most to bring an end to the practice. They are too busy swallowing your BS and trying to convince everyone else that it has nothing to do with Islam to actually stand up for what they believe in and put an end to sex slavery, pedophilia, wife beating, fraud, theft, terrorism, misogyny, pillage etc. It is the ridiculous facade that permits all the oppression to continue.

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You have already figured this out Gandalf.

freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 8:43pm:


Define "never worked" FD. Can you explain this claim in light of the fact that the vast majority of muslim nations have an age of marriage 16 and over. Go and look the data yourself. Is child marriage a uniquely Islamic problem? Is domestic violence a uniquely Islamic problem? Of course its not - and furthermore both are rejected by a vast majority of muslims. Where is your evidence that either are universally, or even widely accepted by muslims worldwide? So your argument falls flat on its face. Your logic leads to only one conclusion - these things can't be Islamic, because most muslims reject them, and they've even enshrined their rejection of them in the laws of their respective lands - on Islamic grounds.

Whats your view of the Ahadith review program? Encouraging or spineless apologism?

Grendel wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 8:22am:


Whenever G tells you, you ignore his posts and call Brian a TROLL.

If I was G, I wouldn't bother.

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An example: Islam never abolished slavery. It took many centuries of direct outside pressure to force this upon them. Another example: despite the Islamic State being a clear throwback to Muhammed's example of nation building, Muslim nations by themselves would have been unable to defeat it without outside help, because Islam renders them incapable of doing so.

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Muslims reject many parts of Islam, thanks to Western interference. But they still hold on to many of the most barbaric aspects of Islam, despite that influence.

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The Pew survey is evidence of this.

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Why do you think there is such a strong anti-western reaction among conservative Muslims? It is because these influences - in particular freedom and democracy - are unIslamic.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 7:19pm:


The vast majority of Muslims believe Muhammed had sex with a 9 year old girl. Only a small minority such as yourself hold the mother of Islam to be a liar.

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 7:53pm:


Looks like FD hasn't read the Pew Survey.

Why bother? FD has one Muslim tell him everything he wants to know.