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Reply #30 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

They could tell, by their layout, that they pre-dated the LIA. Before any testing.

That phrase doesn't appear in the scientific paper. Maybe you should read it?

Besides, you still said there was no dating done, when there was. You were wrong on that one, and shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.

Are you sure about that Stratos???

"But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines--heaps of debris left at glaciers' ends--that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advances."

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #31 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Are you sure about that Stratos???

100% sure. That's not from the scientific paper. The phrasing alone should clue you in that's not a scientific article.

I double checked when Lee posted it the first time. I linked the paper in a previous post (because the WUWT one didn't actually provide one).

Here it is again, if you wish to check for yourself

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500806.full

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #32 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

'But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines--heaps of debris left at glaciers' ends--that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advances.'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151204145919.htm

That seems to be the paper Watts relied upon. So I guess that's what was said in the interview process.

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Reply #33 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

'Still, archaeologist Thomas McGovern of Hunter College in New York City isn’t convinced. “We can see really clear in the archaeological record that something happened” to the climate around 1250, he says.

For instance, seal bones found around the settlements come from species more associated with sea ice, suggesting especially cold, harsh conditions. And the chemical composition of human bones shows that the Greenlanders were moving away from farming and towards a more marine-based diet—another clue that climate was shifting dramatically.

McGovern and other archaeologists are still investigating what happened to the Norse Greenlanders. They have ruled out migration to Europe, because Europeans at the time would have recorded such an occurrence. Disease is also unlikely.

And while he agrees that factors such as isolation and conflict with the Inuit may all have played a role in the settlers' decline, “the evidence suggests that climate change is very much part of the mix.” '

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/did-climate-change-make-norse-disap...

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #34 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:54pm: That seems to be the paper Watts relied upon That's not a scientific paper I've linked it twice now Lee! Third times the charm. http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500806.full
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Reply #35 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

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Still, archaeologist Thomas McGovern of Hunter College in New York City isn’t convinced.

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Oh no ladies and gentlemen, the Great Thomas McGovern from the Supreme Hunter College in NY isnt convinced.

WOW that is certainly a game changer isnt it ladies and gentlemen?

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #36 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

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Still, archaeologist Thomas McGovern of Hunter College in New York City isn’t convinced.

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Oh no ladies and gentlemen, the Great Thomas McGovern from the Supreme Hunter College in NY isnt convinced.

WOW that is certainly a game changer isnt it ladies and gentlemen?

master Chimp knows more than Thomas McGovern.

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Reply #37 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:08pm

Then again, it could have been the Press Release from Columbia University -

' But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines—heaps of debris left at glaciers’ ends—that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advances. '

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/news-events

Keep digging; you'll eventually get to the other side.

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Reply #38 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

A new study questions the popular notion that 10th-century Norse people were able to colonize Greenland because of a period of unusually warm weather. Researchers say the climate was already cold when the Norse arrived -- and that climate thus probably played little role in their mysterious demise some 400 years later. On a larger scale, the study adds to building evidence that the so-called Medieval Warm Period, when Europe enjoyed clement weather, did not necessarily extend to other parts of the world.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151204145919.htm

The concept of the Medieval warm period is Eurocentric--that's where the best-known observations were made. The findings fit with other recently developed evidence that the effects of the Medieval Warm Period were not uniform; some places, including parts of central Eurasia and northwestern North America, may actually have cooled off.

In the Atlantic region, the research includes a 2013 study of ocean-bottom sediments suggesting that temperatures in the western North Atlantic actually went down as the eastern North Atlantic warmed.

Exavtly.

This article support that idea - global climate is not global at all.
http://www.campusreview.com.au/2015/11/fossilised-rodent-urine-a-critical-piece-...

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Reply #39 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

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Still, archaeologist Thomas McGovern of Hunter College in New York City isn’t convinced.

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Oh no ladies and gentlemen, the Great Thomas McGovern from the Supreme Hunter College in NY isnt convinced.

WOW that is certainly a game changer isnt it ladies and gentlemen?

master Chimp knows more than Thomas McGovern.

Does Thomas McGovern refute the science that underpins AGW and its effects such as climate change, ocean acidification and rising sea levels?

Apologise and remove yourself from these proceedings if you can Jethro - if your chain is long enough

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #40 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:21pm

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Then again, it could have been the Press Release from Columbia University -

' But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines—heaps of debris left at glaciers’ ends—that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advances. '

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/news-events

Keep digging; you'll eventually get to the other side.

I love how you seem to be claiming ome kind of superior knowledge without even reading what the article is discussing. If you bothered to actually look at the research that has been done, you would possibly be able to see why the layout of the moraines can help you to tell the past climate of the glacier.

But at this stage, I don't expect you to actually care what the science says, you're happy in your own little opinion. I just wish you would look at the facts regarding this rather than whatever your uninformed opinion has already concluded.

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

This article support that idea - global climate is not global at all.

I'm not sure why the article mentions global climate at all to be honest, it deals with a very specific geographical area.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #41 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:24pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

I just wish you would look at the facts regarding this rather than whatever your uninformed opinion has already concluded.

Headline-
Stratos admits leading tertiary educator lies on the MWP. Makes up statement for Press Release, with no prior knowledge by authors. Grin

edit: 'Study Undercuts Idea That 'Medieval Warm Period' Was Global'

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/news-events

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #42 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:27pm *The Great Thomas McGovern ladies and gentlemen*
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #43 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:30pm And now you're onto ridiculous claims I haven't made. Pretty blatant way to show your argument has nothing to it. Thanks for playing. hint: read the scientific literature.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16452 Gender:	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #44 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:41pm Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:30pm: hint: read the scientific literature. Read the Press Release put out by the university and repeated in good faith by various outlets.
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