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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #60 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

UWA came to the party when abbotts shill got told very publicly and very nationally that he was a shill and the university eventually decided it's reputation was worth more than a judas's ransom

Yes, I remember UWA, once home of Lewandowsky. Cheesy

Lomborg the climate believer; just not an alarmist.

'In 2009, Business Insider cited Lomborg as one of "The 10 Most-Respected Global Warming Skeptics".[2] While Lomborg campaigned against the Kyoto Protocol and other measures to cut carbon emissions in the short-term, he argued for adaptation to short-term temperature rises, and for spending money on research and development for longer-term environmental solutions. His issue is not with the reality of climate change, but rather with the economic and political approaches being taken (or not taken) to meet the challenges of that climate change.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

Only wiki I know; but referenced.

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #61 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

UWA came to the party when abbotts shill got told very publicly and very nationally that he was a shill and the university eventually decided it's reputation was worth more than a judas's ransom

Yes, I remember UWA, once home of Lewandowsky. Cheesy

Lomborg the climate believer; just not an alarmist.

'In 2009, Business Insider cited Lomborg as one of "The 10 Most-Respected Global Warming Skeptics".[2] While Lomborg campaigned against the Kyoto Protocol and other measures to cut carbon emissions in the short-term, he argued for adaptation to short-term temperature rises, and for spending money on research and development for longer-term environmental solutions. His issue is not with the reality of climate change, but rather with the economic and political approaches being taken (or not taken) to meet the challenges of that climate change.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

Only wiki I know; but referenced.

It is quite obvious why the AGW church does not want adaptation. They don't get their power and no money will ever be spent because their will be nothing to adapt to.

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #62 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:31pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Are you sure about that Stratos???

100% sure. That's not from the scientific paper. The phrasing alone should clue you in that's not a scientific article.

And yet it IS still from the synopsis at 'Sciencedaily.com"...so does that mean that a (fairly) 'reputable' "science" website doesn't proof read their articles??? and allows 'non-scientific' opinions to be published...wouldn't that imply that the writers/reporters haven't got a clue as to the actually tone of the story??

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #63 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:56pm sigh. Gizmo, read the article before commenting further please. Lee has already been through what you're saying right now, learn from his gullibility.
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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #64 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

sigh.

Gizmo, read the article before commenting further please.

Lee has already been through what you're saying right now, learn from his gullibility.

Which article??? the OP, or the you linked (with all the jargon??).....The 'jargon' version is pretty much 'greek' to most of the people on this forum after all...

And again..why would a 'reputable' scientific website allow a reporter to publish assumptions that were NOT supported by either the article, or the actual author???

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global Reply #65 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:03pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm: Which article??? the OP, or the you linked (with all the jargon??). Probably the once I've linked three times so far in this thread. Yes the scientific paper.
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Reply #66 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

And again..why would a 'reputable' scientific website allow a reporter to publish assumptions that were NOT supported by either the article, or the actual author???

Look past the title, and you will find a very different depiction of what is actually going on.... You read past the title right?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #67 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

And again..why would a 'reputable' scientific website allow a reporter to publish assumptions that were NOT supported by either the article, or the actual author???

Look past the title, and you will find a very different depiction of what is actually going on.... You read past the title right?

I'm sure he did, BUT the Press Release from the University doesn't match the paper. The question is why?

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Reply #68 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:22pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

And again..why would a 'reputable' scientific website allow a reporter to publish assumptions that were NOT supported by either the article, or the actual author???

Look past the title, and you will find a very different depiction of what is actually going on.... You read past the title right?

Sure, I read the entire "ScienceDaily.com" article...and the whole article from "The Earth Institute at Columbia Unsiversity"...

Which DID include the comment about "But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines--heaps of debris left at glaciers' ends--that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advance"....

Which is what you seem to be claiming was never said...

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #69 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:22pm

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

UWA came to the party when abbotts shill got told very publicly and very nationally that he was a shill and the university eventually decided it's reputation was worth more than a judas's ransom

Yes, I remember UWA, once home of Lewandowsky. Cheesy

Lomborg the climate believer; just not an alarmist.

'In 2009, Business Insider cited Lomborg as one of "The 10 Most-Respected Global Warming Skeptics".[2] While Lomborg campaigned against the Kyoto Protocol and other measures to cut carbon emissions in the short-term, he argued for adaptation to short-term temperature rises, and for spending money on research and development for longer-term environmental solutions. His issue is not with the reality of climate change, but rather with the economic and political approaches being taken (or not taken) to meet the challenges of that climate change.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

Only wiki I know; but referenced.

It is quite obvious why the AGW church does not want adaptation. They don't get their power and no money will ever be spent because their will be nothing to adapt to.

says progs who wants fossil fuels to be allowed to warm our childrens earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 because he/she/it represents foreign investors from the planet called accountant

Go false profits Grin

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #70 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Which DID include the comment about "But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines--heaps of debris left at glaciers' ends--that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advance".

No, the scientific paper did not. Show me where and prove me wrong in ten seconds.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500806.full

Besides, based on the research, that is what it seems to indicate. This doesn't negate the medieval warm period, it just shows that it's effects were not consistent. This should surprise nobody.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #71 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

A new study questions the popular notion that 10th-century Norse people were able to colonize Greenland because of a period of unusually warm weather. Researchers say the climate was already cold when the Norse arrived -- and that climate thus probably played little role in their mysterious demise some 400 years later. On a larger scale, the study adds to building evidence that the so-called Medieval Warm Period, when Europe enjoyed clement weather, did not necessarily extend to other parts of the world.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151204145919.htm

The concept of the Medieval warm period is Eurocentric--that's where the best-known observations were made. The findings fit with other recently developed evidence that the effects of the Medieval Warm Period were not uniform; some places, including parts of central Eurasia and northwestern North America, may actually have cooled off.

In the Atlantic region, the research includes a 2013 study of ocean-bottom sediments suggesting that temperatures in the western North Atlantic actually went down as the eastern North Atlantic warmed.

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #72 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Which DID include the comment about "But Young and his colleagues were able to find traces of a few moraines--heaps of debris left at glaciers' ends--that, by their layout, they could tell predated the Little Ice Age advance".

No, the scientific paper did not. Show me where and prove me wrong in ten seconds.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500806.full

Besides, based on the research, that is what it seems to indicate. This doesn't negate the medieval warm period, it just shows that it's effects were not consistent. This should surprise nobody.

No the science paper did not. BUT the Press Release did. Why is that?

A simple question. No need to go round the mulberry bush again with the science paper. We're talking about the Press Release. Something you seem to steadfastly ignore.

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #73 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

A new study questions the popular notion that 10th-century Norse people were able to colonize Greenland because of a period of unusually warm weather. Researchers say the climate was already cold when the Norse arrived -- and that climate thus probably played little role in their mysterious demise some 400 years later. On a larger scale, the study adds to building evidence that the so-called Medieval Warm Period, when Europe enjoyed clement weather, did not necessarily extend to other parts of the world.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151204145919.htm

The concept of the Medieval warm period is Eurocentric--that's where the best-known observations were made. The findings fit with other recently developed evidence that the effects of the Medieval Warm Period were not uniform; some places, including parts of central Eurasia and northwestern North America, may actually have cooled off.

In the Atlantic region, the research includes a 2013 study of ocean-bottom sediments suggesting that temperatures in the western North Atlantic actually went down as the eastern North Atlantic warmed.

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

Your list is not long enough to counter one AGW supporting paper.

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Re: Medieval Warm period wasn't global
Reply #74 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Your list is not long enough to counter one AGW supporting paper.

The paper you obviously still haven't read, which only covers one particular geographic area, and has nothing to do with global climate?

That one? Roll Eyes

edit: also, don't even pretend you've even looked up those papers, either of you. I'd be amazed if you hadn't copy pasted of someone else who probably hasn't bothered to check them either.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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