Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print
islam exposed by muslims (Read 64985 times)
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
islam exposed by muslims
Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:52pm
 

this is what death cult members are like

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:58pm
 
Like them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:05pm
 



arrogant, rude, aggressive, intolerant - that is islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:08pm
 



      

islam means death
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:08pm
 
Tolerate them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:11pm
 


             

son of the founder of hamas leaves islam.
says it is collapsing, will be gone in 10 years.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:17pm
 


Quote:
........Yousef explained the atmosphere he grew up in, and the challenge of transforming the attitude that was ingrained in him.

"I grew up believing in the conspiracy theory, believing that Israel, America, the West hate Muslims," he recalled. "They're plotting day and night to destroy Islam, to destroy the Muslim world and keep people in ignorance."

He stressed, "We believed in this lie."

Yousef noted in his opening, "It took lots of effort to break through the barriers and make it all the way from Ramallah, not to Washington DC, but from Ramallah mentality to a higher truth, where I am able to see things more clearly." .............


http://www.haaretz.com/video/1.644963
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:58pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 11:11pm:
             

son of the founder of hamas leaves islam.
says it is collapsing, will be gone in 10 years.


Leave them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2015 at 5:31pm
 
[quote author=sprintcyclist link=1429879975/0#0 date=1429879975]
this is what death cult members are like

[/quote


DIET them.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #9 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
this is what death cult members are like



Definition of a troll:

Arrogant prick makes baseless allegations linking a student muslim association with jihadist organisations. Muslim asks him to substantiate those allegations.

His answer? "Will you condemn Hamas?" - bam - in an instant question is entirely deflected.

What a a wayne-kerr
Back to top
« Last Edit: Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm by polite_gandalf »  

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #10 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:03am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 9:08am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
this is what death cult members are like



Definition of a troll:
a neo-Nazi
Arrogant prick makes baseless allegations linking a student muslim association with jihadist organisations. Muslim asks him to substantiate those allegations.

His answer? "Will you condemn Hamas?" - bam - in an instant question is entirely deflected.

What a a wayne-kerr

Do you condemn Hamas or do you support it?

The answer tells you what kind f Muslim you ae.

That's why he asked the bint the question.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #11 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:11am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:03am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 9:08am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
this is what death cult members are like



Definition of a troll:
a neo-Nazi
Arrogant prick makes baseless allegations linking a student muslim association with jihadist organisations. Muslim asks him to substantiate those allegations.

His answer? "Will you condemn Hamas?" - bam - in an instant question is entirely deflected.

What a a wayne-kerr

Do you condemn Hamas or do you support it?

The answer tells you what kind f Muslim you ae.

That's why he asked the bint the question.


did you see the overwhelming arrogance in her as she proudly said 'yes' .
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #12 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:21pm
 
His simplistic response, "if you don't negate Hamas, you support it," suggests his "put down" of the questioner was equally simplistic.  As the women suggested, it is a complex issue.  I neither support nor criticise Hamas for their response to Israeli aggression.  I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic, though.  Neither position will solve this problem, that is assuming Horowitz wants it solved in anything less than genocidal or ethnic cleansing terms...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #13 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:03am:
The answer tells you what kind f Muslim you ae.


The question shows what a prick he is.

It shows he has just been exposed as a liar - and his only defence is to deflect.

Kinda like what happens here.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #14 - Apr 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
His simplistic response, "if you don't negate Hamas, you support it," suggests his "put down" of the questioner was equally simplistic.  As the women suggested, it is a complex issue.  I neither support nor criticise Hamas for their response to Israeli aggression.  I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic, though.  Neither position will solve this problem, that is assuming Horowitz wants it solved in anything less than genocidal or ethnic cleansing terms...   Roll Eyes

Simplistic, eh?

SO when they have an election to choose between Hamas or Hezb'allah or Fatah or the rest, that's a 'simplistic' thing now??

And you are happy to sit on the barbed-wired non-judgemental fence about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #15 - Apr 27th, 2015 at 11:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
His simplistic response, "if you don't negate Hamas, you support it," suggests his "put down" of the questioner was equally simplistic.  As the women suggested, it is a complex issue.  I neither support nor criticise Hamas for their response to Israeli aggression.  I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic, though.  Neither position will solve this problem, that is assuming Horowitz wants it solved in anything less than genocidal or ethnic cleansing terms...   Roll Eyes

Simplistic, eh?

SO when they have an election to choose between Hamas or Hezb'allah or Fatah or the rest, that's a 'simplistic' thing now??

And you are happy to sit on the barbed-wired non-judgemental fence about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.



Appears you missed the words I wrote when I said, "I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic..."   Seems reading comprehension is a problem you have, Soren...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
His simplistic response, "if you don't negate Hamas, you support it," suggests his "put down" of the questioner was equally simplistic.  As the women suggested, it is a complex issue.  I neither support nor criticise Hamas for their response to Israeli aggression.  I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic, though.  Neither position will solve this problem, that is assuming Horowitz wants it solved in anything less than genocidal or ethnic cleansing terms...   Roll Eyes

Simplistic, eh?

SO when they have an election to choose between Hamas or Hezb'allah or Fatah or the rest, that's a 'simplistic' thing now??

And you are happy to sit on the barbed-wired non-judgemental fence about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.



Appears you missed the words I wrote when I said, "I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic..."   Seems reading comprehension is a problem you have, Soren...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No, the bit I am missing is about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.

You equivocation and evasion I did not miss.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:05pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
His simplistic response, "if you don't negate Hamas, you support it," suggests his "put down" of the questioner was equally simplistic.  As the women suggested, it is a complex issue.  I neither support nor criticise Hamas for their response to Israeli aggression.  I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic, though.  Neither position will solve this problem, that is assuming Horowitz wants it solved in anything less than genocidal or ethnic cleansing terms...   Roll Eyes

Simplistic, eh?

SO when they have an election to choose between Hamas or Hezb'allah or Fatah or the rest, that's a 'simplistic' thing now??

And you are happy to sit on the barbed-wired non-judgemental fence about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.



Appears you missed the words I wrote when I said, "I will criticise Hamas for having an equally simplistic worldview of Israel and Israelis, as well as being anti-Semitic..."   Seems reading comprehension is a problem you have, Soren...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No, the bit I am missing is about Hamas or Hezb'allah urging the elimination of all the Jews everywhere.


Google: anti-Semitism

Quote:
You equivocation and evasion I did not miss.


Sure, Soren...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #18 - May 23rd, 2015 at 7:37pm
 

Quote:
AN Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in Sunni-ruled Saudi Arabia, killing 21 people and wounding 81 in an assault that threatens to fan sectarian tensions. 
 
The bomber struck during the main weekly prayers in Eastern Province, where assailants linked to the Sunni extremist IS killed seven members of the minority Shiite community in November.

The interior ministry said a suicide bomber detonated a bomb at the mosque in Kudeih, in the Shiite-majority city of Qatif, the official SPA news agency reported........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/isis-suicide-bomber-in-deadly-strike-on...

If some muzzies kill other muzzies, why can't they all ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #19 - May 23rd, 2015 at 7:39pm
 

...

this is an improvement
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #20 - May 23rd, 2015 at 8:35pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 7:39pm:


It means we don't need to ban them, kill them, nuke them, Sprint.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #21 - May 23rd, 2015 at 9:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
 Roll Eyes
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


 Roll Eyes

That's all you have by way of an argument.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #22 - May 23rd, 2015 at 9:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 7:37pm:
Quote:
AN Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in Sunni-ruled Saudi Arabia, killing 21 people and wounding 81 in an assault that threatens to fan sectarian tensions. 
 
The bomber struck during the main weekly prayers in Eastern Province, where assailants linked to the Sunni extremist IS killed seven members of the minority Shiite community in November.

The interior ministry said a suicide bomber detonated a bomb at the mosque in Kudeih, in the Shiite-majority city of Qatif, the official SPA news agency reported........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/isis-suicide-bomber-in-deadly-strike-on...

If some muzzies kill other muzzies, why can't they all ?








IMAGE....
...



Sprint,

We 'ignorant' infidels must understand, that;

If we were able to ask those Sunni moslems who set the bomb in the Shia mosque, why they targeted moslems ????, they would insist that the persons who they [the Sunni moslems] targeted and killed WERE NOT moslems!

!!!!!!!!

This is because Sunni moslems, regard Shia moslems as infidels, and vise-versa.

So it is completely lawful [in ISLAMIC law] when Sunni moslems to kill Shia moslems, as infidels, and vise-versa.



.



Allah's law IS VERY CLEAR.

Moslems, must never knowingly kill another 'believer'.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93





see also.....
SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #23 - May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm
 
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #24 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:45pm
 
Soren wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
 Roll Eyes
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


 Roll Eyes

That's all you have by way of an argument.


Which indicates what about your argument, Soren?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #25 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #26 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:15am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes


Ban them. Kill them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #27 - May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes

slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #28 - May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm
 
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes

slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #29 - May 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes

slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes



You a slandering little bastard aren't you, Brain? You insinuate, not ask. You suspect a lot of things, like a good little milk monitor.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #30 - May 24th, 2015 at 6:37pm
 
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes

slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes



You a slandering little bastard aren't you, Brain? You insinuate, not ask.


Really?  Unlike you, of course with your diatribes against all Muslims and everything Islamic... 

Personally, I've always understood the best way to ask a question is to well, ask a question.   Do you know a better way, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Quote:
You suspect a lot of things, like a good little milk monitor.


I think you're insinuating something there, Soren.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #31 - May 24th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes


slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes



You a slandering little bastard aren't you, Brain? You insinuate, not ask.


Really?  Unlike you, of course with your diatribes against all Muslims and everything Islamic... 

Personally, I've always understood the best way to ask a question is to well, ask a question.   Do you know a better way, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Quote:
You suspect a lot of things, like a good little milk monitor.


I think you're insinuating something there, Soren.   Roll Eyes

You are not only a squishy apologist but a bare faced liar as well.  You are a disgusting little Gestpo agent, a little snitch, a slimey little insinuator. 

See highlight, Joseph Goebbels.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #32 - May 24th, 2015 at 8:19pm
 
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes


slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes



You a slandering little bastard aren't you, Brain? You insinuate, not ask.


Really?  Unlike you, of course with your diatribes against all Muslims and everything Islamic... 

Personally, I've always understood the best way to ask a question is to well, ask a question.   Do you know a better way, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Quote:
You suspect a lot of things, like a good little milk monitor.


I think you're insinuating something there, Soren.   Roll Eyes

You are not only a squishy apologist but a bare faced liar as well.  You are a disgusting little Gestpo agent, a little snitch, a slimey little insinuator. 

See highlight, Joseph Goebbels.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, more ad hominem, Soren?   I think we may need to up his medication, Nurse.  He seems to be fighting the present level...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #33 - May 24th, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 11:04am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
islam murders homos


I wonder what you'd do with gay people, if given the chance, Sprint?   I don't think there would be much difference if you were in control...   Roll Eyes


slandering individuals is not an argument and will not get you anywhere, Brain.



I asked a question and offered an opinion.  It is now up to Sprint to show that I am incorrect, Soren. 

Whats your opinion on Gay people, Soren?  I suspect there wouldn't be much difference between some Muslims and you, if you were in charge.    Roll Eyes



You a slandering little bastard aren't you, Brain? You insinuate, not ask.


Really?  Unlike you, of course with your diatribes against all Muslims and everything Islamic... 

Personally, I've always understood the best way to ask a question is to well, ask a question.   Do you know a better way, Soren?    Roll Eyes

Quote:
You suspect a lot of things, like a good little milk monitor.


I think you're insinuating something there, Soren.   Roll Eyes

You are not only a squishy apologist but a bare faced liar as well.  You are a disgusting little Gestpo agent, a little snitch, a slimey little insinuator. 

See highlight, Joseph Goebbels.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, more ad hominem, Soren?   I think we may need to up his medication, Nurse.  He seems to be fighting the present level...   Roll Eyes

Diagnosis, Brain.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #34 - May 25th, 2015 at 12:06am
 
Soren wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
Diagnosis, Brain.


Life must be hell for your real patients, Soren.    Real hell.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #35 - May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #36 - May 25th, 2015 at 12:40pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


So you live in your own personal hell do you Soren?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #37 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:18pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


So you live in your own personal hell do you Soren?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy



I am not surprised at all that you are unable to perceive the difference between the words 'other people' and 'own personal'.

You are really that thick.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #38 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


Then, Soren, just think of me as your personal Devil, sent to torture and torment you.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #39 - May 25th, 2015 at 11:55pm
 
Quote:
.........COUNTER-terrorism agencies are investigating reports a Brisbane man has travelled to the Middle East to fight death cult ISIS.  ........

.......Another, Cameron, said: “It’s so believable though. If it was anyone else it would have been a joke.”.......


Quote:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-rebel-fighting-against-isis-in-middle-east/story-fnn8dlfs-1227368975073


another muslim proves their extremism
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #40 - May 26th, 2015 at 11:21am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 11:55pm:
Quote:
.........COUNTER-terrorism agencies are investigating reports a Brisbane man has travelled to the Middle East to fight death cult ISIS.  ........

.......Another, Cameron, said: “It’s so believable though. If it was anyone else it would have been a joke.”.......


Quote:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-rebel-fighting-against-isis-in-middle-east/story-fnn8dlfs-1227368975073


another muslim proves their extremism



You really are an Islamophobe, aren't you Sprint?   Fighting for ISIS, fighting against ISIS, makes no difference does it?   What a tool!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #41 - May 26th, 2015 at 7:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


Then, Soren, just think of me as your personal Devil, sent to torture and torment you.   Roll Eyes

Are you Inès , Estelle or Joseph?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #42 - May 26th, 2015 at 9:11pm
 
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


Then, Soren, just think of me as your personal Devil, sent to torture and torment you.   Roll Eyes

Are you Inès , Estelle or Joseph?



Neither.  I am the valet, who locks you in the room with HB and Mothra, Soren!

"Eh bien, continuons"  Wink
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36389
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #43 - May 27th, 2015 at 6:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Soren wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:36pm:
Hell is other people, Brain. No exit.


Then, Soren, just think of me as your personal Devil, sent to torture and torment you.   Roll Eyes

Are you Inès , Estelle or Joseph?



Neither.  I am the valet, who locks you in the room with HB and Mothra, Soren!

"Eh bien, continuons"  Wink



And what did i do to deserve that?  Shocked


...
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #44 - May 31st, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
Quote:
Pakistan’s Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid has said the blast that killed two people, including a police officer, near the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore was a suicide attack.

The blast took place at 9 PM yesterday when a day-night match between Pakistan and Zimbabwe was underway.

“An attempt to attack the Gaddafi Stadium was foiled by the gallantry of a police official, who lost his life while trying to stop the attacker near Kalma Chowk,” Rashid told GeoNews.

A police sub-inspector and a citizen were killed when a suicide bomber blew himself up while riding on a rickshaw near Kalma Chowk, hardly less than a kilometre from the Gaddafi Stadium. “The gas cylinder fixed in the auto rickshaw exploded. Two persons including a policeman were killed in the blast.

Forensic samples had been collected from the site to determine the nature of the explosion,” Lahore police chief Amin Wains said. Four policemen and a civilian were injured in the attack.

The injured were rushed to a nearby hospital where the sub- inspector and a civilian were pronounced dead.

Soon after the blast the Pakistan Cricket Board issued a statement, saying it was a “power transformer blast” that was caused by malfunctioning.

Police had cordoned off the area and no one, including media, was allowed to enter the blast site. Local electronic media had at first reported an explosion close to Gaddafi stadium (on the claim of PCB) but later took any news about the blast off air after it was claimed that the explosion was caused by an electricity transformer in the area.

Rashid praised the actions of Pakistan Broadcasters Association for “covering up” the news while the cricket match was underway. More than 20,OOO people were in the stadium and panic could cause stampede, he said. However, the police have denied that the was a suicide attack.

The Punjab government has given a “presidential” security to the Zimbabwe Cricket Team to ensure no terror incident takes place during its tour.

This is the first tour of any international cricket team to Pakistan since the attack on Sri Lankan Cricket Team by Taliban in March 2009 in Lahore’s Liberty Chowk (near Gaddafi Stadium) in which six members of the visiting team were injured.

PTI


http://www.firstpost.com/sports/bomb-blast-near-gaddafi-stadium-kills-two-pak-go...

this is islam.
this is what muslims bring
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #45 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:49pm
 
Funny, I haven't heard of any bomb blasts in Australia, Sprint.  Sure your imagination isn't getting the better of you?  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #46 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:
Funny, I haven't heard of any bomb blasts in Australia, Sprint.  Sure your imagination isn't getting the better of you?  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


I think he's referring to Lybians.

You know, ban them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #47 - Jun 18th, 2015 at 3:22pm
 

Quote:
MYSTERY surrounds the disappearance of a family of 12 including nine children who are feared to have joined the Islamic State in Syria.

On Wednesday, West Yorkshire Police said contact with one of the women suggests they have fled to the war-torn country and urged anyone with information on the “intensive investigation” to come forward.

“It is an extremely dangerous place and not a place where young children should be taken.”

“The choice of returning home from Syria is often taken away from those under the control of Islamic State, leaving families in the UK devastated and with very few options to secure their loved ones safe return.”

Three sisters Khadija, Sugra and Zohra Dawood and their nine children have been missing for more than a week from their home in the Northern English town of Bradford. The husbands of two of the women reported them missing on June 11 after they failed to return from the family trip to Saudi Arabia.

Instead, the sisters paid cash for a flight to Istanbul for themselves and the children. It’s thought they have gone to join their brother, Ahmed Dawood, 21 who is understood to have joined the Islamic State. Their mobile phones and social media accounts have not been active since.

Husbands Mohammed Shoaib, 39, and Akhtar Iqbal, 48, made a tearful appeal to the public and anyone who might have seen them, begging for their family to return home.

“I like to appeal them please, please contact with me and please, please call me at least. It’s been eight nine days you’re out and we don’t know where are you,” a distraught looking Akhtar Iqbal said to his wife Sugra, 34, and their five children Junaid, 15, Ibrahim, 14, Zaynab, 8, Mariya, 5 and Ismaeel, 3.

“I miss you, I love you. All of you, I love you’re a lot. I can’t live without you. I don’t know what to say, I’m shaking. I miss you, it’s been too many days I don’t know where are you? Please, please come back home so we can live normal life. Please, please come back home. There’s nothing wrong. Please come back home. Nothing wrong. I miss you. That’s all I want to say, I want them back. Please.”

Lawyer for the family Balaal Khan said they are a moderate family although it’s understood a brother was being monitored amid reports he went to join IS.

Cinema worker Mohammed Shoaib sat beside him begging his wife Khadija, 30, to return with his children Muhammad Haseeb, 5 and Maryam Siddiqui, 7.

“We’ve been married 11 years and we were in perfect relationship. Please come back with the kids I cannot live without them … I miss them so much.”

“Please come back or contact me. I’m not angry, everything is fine Please come back everything is normal. Come back to normal life please. They are young kids, seven and five and you know I love you so much. We had a perfect relationship, we had a lovely family, I don’t know what happened.”

Another sister Zohra, 33, and her two children Nurah, 5 and Haafiya, 8, are also missing however her husband lives and works in Pakistan so did not appear at the conference.

Lawyer for the two men Balaal Khan said the men are distraught and there was “no inkling” the family had been radicalized. He said they were “normal people” who followed a moderate version of Islam and the husbands were distraught waiting for a phonecall from their children.

The three sisters and their children were all born in the UK to parents from Pakistan. However questions are being raised as to how they were able to pay for the flight.

Labour MP for Bradford West Naz Shah told the BBC the family did have “ongoing investigations with the police and that’s not for me to comment on at the moment.”

The Counter Terrorism Unit is investigating but has provided little information on the live investigation. A statement said they are “keeping an open mind” on all lines of inquiry.

Assistant Chief Constable Russ Foster said they are looking for anyone with information to come forward.

“Our priority is for their safe return; their families are gravely worried about them and want them home. One of our primary concerns is the safety and welfare of the young children.”

Originally published as ‘I’m shaking. I miss you, it’s been too many days’


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/contact-made-with-missing-family-of-12-...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #48 - Jun 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm
 

...



look at the slum they made.
England is WAY better off without them.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #49 - Jun 18th, 2015 at 10:36pm
 
Funny, that looks like this slum, now doesn't it, Sprint?

...

Not a Muslim in sight, in that picture, now is there?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3928
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #50 - Jun 18th, 2015 at 11:08pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:
Funny, I haven't heard of any bomb blasts in Australia, Sprint.  Sure your imagination isn't getting the better of you?  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Speaking of imagination does that mean you require an actual bomb to go off to wake you up?  Bali not close and targeted enough for you to smell the roses?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #51 - Jun 20th, 2015 at 12:07pm
 
Quote:
GYMNAST Farah Ann Abdul Hadi blitzed the Southeast Asian Games last week, bringing home six medals, including two gold, for Malaysia. 
 
Not that the country’s religious hardliners noticed the impressive tally — they were too busy looking at the 21-year-old’s vagina.

Federal MP Jamil Khir Baharom announced a review of “Islamic compliance for clothing used for sports and other fields” following complaints the shape of Abdul Hadi’s “aurat” (genitalia) could be seen through her standard-issue purple leotard.

The politician, who has the Islamic Affairs portfolio, told parliament that it was the responsibility of all Muslims, regardless of gender, to cover their “aurat”.

The head of the National Muslim Youth Association’s female wing, Roszida Kamaruddin, also released a statement condemning Abdul Hadi’s costume.

“Women should not be stopped from sports, but they must prioritise the Islamic codes in sports attire,” she said.

“Furthermore, there are many Muslim female athletes who succeed even by covering their aurat.”

Senior Islamic cleric Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria suggested the gymnastics was not an appropriate sport for Muslim women.

“If Muslim women want to participate in gymnastics, they have to find outfits which cover the aurat and this, in turn, might not be suitable for the sport,” he told Astro Awani. He also said Muslim men playing football should have to wear shorts that cover their knees.

However, the criticism has backfired, spawning an outpouring of support from a proud Malaysian public and a series of sarcastic opinion pieces by local journalists.

“While the rest of the ‘normal’ population saw an athlete perform amazingly flexible feats with ease and grace, the moral police of Malaysia — mostly men — saw a Muslim woman swinging from pole to pole with the coordination and precision of well-trained Eastern European stripper,” wrote Vulcan Post columnist Ajay Madhukar.

“And in the fashion of a true stripper, she didn’t just entertain the married men of Malaysia watching her performance but she intentionally managed to show them the shape of her ‘aurat’ or vagina.

“And they went berserk at the sight of her camel toe and they took to Twitter to talk about her grotesque sense of fashion and her choice as to where she’d spend eternity.”

Malaysian Minister for Youth and Sport Khairy Jamaluddin tweeted several times to defend Abdul Hadi from the criticism of his conservative colleagues and others, referring to them as “perverts”.

And a Facebook group called “Farah Ann Abdul Hadi For Malaysia” has attracted almost 18,000 likes in a week, with members referring to themselves as “FARAHnatics”.

Abdul Hadi has weathered the storm with grace and humour, posting the below tweet at the height of the debate over her “aurat” and thanking supporters on Facebook and Instagram: “I would just like to express my sincerest gratitude to all of you who have been supporting me. It is such an overwhelming feeling to have had such a great and positive respond (sic). Thank you so much.”

Originally published as Gymnast shamed for ‘


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1429879975;virboard=;titl...

...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #52 - Jun 20th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18th, 2015 at 10:36pm:
Funny, that looks like this slum, now doesn't it, Sprint?

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000V6y59VVednM/s/500/500/SLUM-HOUSING-MO...

Not a Muslim in sight, in that picture, now is there?   Roll Eyes


How unsurprising that Sprint won't offer an apology for his mistake...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #53 - Jun 24th, 2015 at 1:27pm
 

Quote:
..........The competition is aimed at young males and is apparently offering Yazidi sex slaves as grand prizes to the most well-versed in the religious text.

According to breitbart.com, the opening sentence of the flyer translates to: “Soldiers of the Islamic State, Commanders and Troops, Greetings and salutations upon the advent of Ramadan, May it be the will of Allah to accept our fasts and prayers May Allah protect us all from the fires of hell.”

It then goes on to outline which mosques will be holding the event.

The grand prize is a “sabia” (a young girl) while second and third place are to be awarded a teenage girl.

Fourth through to 10th place get prize money.

It is difficult to verify the authenticity of the flyer and while it is possible the document could’ve be created at anti-ISIS propaganda, the group’s use of young sex slaves is well documented.
.....


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/rush-hour-the-stories-you-need-to-...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #54 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 9:03pm
 

Quote:
A MAN has been decapitated and dozens more injured at a gas product factory in France by men carrying an Islamic State banner. 
 
The attack took place at the headquarters of American company Air Products, in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, near Grenoble, in the southeast of France, just after 10am (6pm).

An official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said two attackers arrived in a car, bearing the Islamic State banner written in Arabic, and set off an explosion.

The car is understood to have crashed into the factory entrance and into gas canisters, touching off the explosion.

The decapitated body was found nearby to the factory. The man’s head was found hanging on a factory fence with Arabic writing on it. He is believed not to be an employee of Air Products.

AFP reported that a 30-year-old man had been arrested at the scene, telling police officers that he is a member of the Islamic State terror group. He is known to France’s anti-terrorist police.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls ordered heightened security measures on Friday at “sensitive sites” near the gas factory that was attacked.

Valls, who is on an official trip to South America, asked Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve to head to Saint-Quentin Fallavier, the site of the attack, the premier’s entourage said.

“According to the initial findings of the inquiry, one or several individuals on board a vehicle, drove into the factory. An explosion then took place,” said one of the sources.

“The decapitated body of a person was found nearby the factory but we do not yet know whether the body was transported to the place or not,” added this source, adding that a “flag with Arabic writing on it was found on the scene.”

The company Air Products, which employs 21,000 people, sells industrial gases including nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen.

The attack came nearly six months after the Islamist attacks in and around Paris that killed 17 people in January that started with a shooting at satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said he would go “immediately” to the scene, his office said.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/man-found-decapitated-and-several-injur...

when the word beheading is used, the death cult islam springs to mind
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #55 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 11:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2015 at 12:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18th, 2015 at 10:36pm:
Funny, that looks like this slum, now doesn't it, Sprint?

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000V6y59VVednM/s/500/500/SLUM-HOUSING-MO...

Not a Muslim in sight, in that picture, now is there?   Roll Eyes


How unsurprising that Sprint won't offer an apology for his mistake...   Roll Eyes


Sprint blames Islam. He doesn’t respond to you or I.

Sprint simply doesn’t have the time. Those two word posts take ages.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #56 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:32am
 

another Islamic following mohs orders

Quote:
A gunman has shot dead at least 28 people, mainly foreign tourists, in an attack on a popular beach resort in Tunisia. More than 20 people were also injured. 
 
Victims included Britons, Belgiums and local Tunisians. Interior Ministry spokesman Mohamed Ali Aroui told national television the attack on two hotels in the resort town of Sousse was a “terrorist attack”.

He said the assailant was killed.

Witnesses said victims were shot as they sunbathed or swam in the sea as men armed with Kalashnikovs attacked Port Kantaoui, a holiday area just south of the capital, Tunis.

Witnesses said the attack began on the beach in front of the hotels, where at least one body was seen lying in a pool of blood.

It is unclear which hotels were target but Tunis Live reported that the Riu Imperial Marhaba Hotel, a five star resort popular with families, had been hit.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/gun-attack-on-tunisia-beach-kills-at-...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #57 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:34am
 

Quote:
An Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in the Kuwaiti capital during the main weekly prayers killing and wounding dozens. 
 
The blast hit Al-Imam al-Sadeq mosque in Kuwait City, security officials and witnesses said.

The official KUNA news agency confirmed that there were “dead and wounded,” but did not provide details.

A witness said “dozens were killed and wounded,” and pictures circulating on social media showed several bloodied bodies in the mosque amid debris.

A security official said “it is a suicide bombing.” Witnesses gave a similar account, saying a suicide bomber entered the mosque during the weekly noon prayers.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-suicide-attack-on-kuwai...

oh, someone wanted me to post two words .
sure.

BAN ISLAM
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #58 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:46am
 

Quote:
A DARWIN teenager arrested by police searching for stolen goods had allegedly compiled a hit list of people he wanted to behead and is suspected of being linked to Islamic State.
 
The NT News reports the 16-year-old is now facing terrorism charges.

The teen, who is a ward of the state, was in an adult prison in solitary confinement on Friday, after being charged with property offences.

The Northern Territory Police Force’s Strike Force Trident raided the boy’s room at a secure government facility in Darwin. He was later charged with property offences.

It is understood that authorities suspect the youth may have communicated with ISIS through a personal communication device and had planned to behead people on the list.


It was not immediately clear if the list contained names of people the suspect knew or names of others.

The communication device and beheading list were found during the raid, which is believed to have occurred on Thursday.

The personal communication device is considered contraband at Yirra House, which houses troubled teens who are in government care.


A Darwin teenager, 16, arrested by police searching for stolen goods had allegedly compile
A Darwin teenager, 16, arrested by police searching for stolen goods had allegedly compiled a hit list of people he wanted to behead and is suspected of being linked to Islamic State. 
   
The device is understood to also contain other information of concern to federal authorities.

The teenager has been in the custody of the NT Department of Children and Family Services for several years. He has most recently resided at Yirra House.

The teen had also served time at Darwin’s Don Dale Juvenile Dentention Centre.

He appeared before a magistrate yesterday afternoon.

He was remanded to Darwin Correctional Centre and placed in solitary confinement, in accordance with procedures for young offenders kept at the adult prison.

It is believed the Australian Federal Police was already aware of the teenager, but it would not confirm whether the youth had been charged.

“Any matter that relates to alleged potential breaches of federal legislation is to be directed to the AFP,” a brief statement from NT Police said.

The AFP did not communicate any information on the matter.

“The AFP does not confirm or deny who it is or is not investigating,” a statement said.
Originally published as Territory teen arrested over ‘beheading hit list’


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/darwin-teenager-arrested-after-alleg...

beheading, isis, islam, muslim, terror.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #59 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:11am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:34am:
Quote:
An Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in the Kuwaiti capital during the main weekly prayers killing and wounding dozens. 
 
The blast hit Al-Imam al-Sadeq mosque in Kuwait City, security officials and witnesses said.

The official KUNA news agency confirmed that there were “dead and wounded,” but did not provide details.

A witness said “dozens were killed and wounded,” and pictures circulating on social media showed several bloodied bodies in the mosque amid debris.

A security official said “it is a suicide bombing.” Witnesses gave a similar account, saying a suicide bomber entered the mosque during the weekly noon prayers.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-suicide-attack-on-kuwai...

oh, someone wanted me to post two words .
sure.

BAN ISLAM



How?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #60 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 12:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:11am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:34am:
Quote:
An Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in the Kuwaiti capital during the main weekly prayers killing and wounding dozens. 
 
The blast hit Al-Imam al-Sadeq mosque in Kuwait City, security officials and witnesses said.

The official KUNA news agency confirmed that there were “dead and wounded,” but did not provide details.

A witness said “dozens were killed and wounded,” and pictures circulating on social media showed several bloodied bodies in the mosque amid debris.

A security official said “it is a suicide bombing.” Witnesses gave a similar account, saying a suicide bomber entered the mosque during the weekly noon prayers.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-suicide-attack-on-kuwai...

oh, someone wanted me to post two words .
sure.

BAN ISLAM



How?



That is the question he will never answer, Greg.  Sprint is a troll.  All he does is post his two/three word slogans and runs away.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #61 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 12:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 12:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:11am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:34am:
Quote:
An Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in the Kuwaiti capital during the main weekly prayers killing and wounding dozens. 
 
The blast hit Al-Imam al-Sadeq mosque in Kuwait City, security officials and witnesses said.

The official KUNA news agency confirmed that there were “dead and wounded,” but did not provide details.

A witness said “dozens were killed and wounded,” and pictures circulating on social media showed several bloodied bodies in the mosque amid debris.

A security official said “it is a suicide bombing.” Witnesses gave a similar account, saying a suicide bomber entered the mosque during the weekly noon prayers.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-suicide-attack-on-kuwai...

oh, someone wanted me to post two words .
sure.

BAN ISLAM



How?



That is the question he will never answer, Greg.  Sprint is a troll.  All he does is post his two/three word slogans and runs away.   Roll Eyes



Well, better than that other troll - Yadda.

I ignore his posts, and I'm sure most others on here do as well.


Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #62 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:11am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 6:34am:
Quote:
An Islamic State suicide bomber has attacked a Shi’ite mosque in the Kuwaiti capital during the main weekly prayers killing and wounding dozens. 
 
The blast hit Al-Imam al-Sadeq mosque in Kuwait City, security officials and witnesses said.

The official KUNA news agency confirmed that there were “dead and wounded,” but did not provide details.

A witness said “dozens were killed and wounded,” and pictures circulating on social media showed several bloodied bodies in the mosque amid debris.

A security official said “it is a suicide bombing.” Witnesses gave a similar account, saying a suicide bomber entered the mosque during the weekly noon prayers.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-suicide-attack-on-kuwai...

oh, someone wanted me to post two words .
sure.

BAN ISLAM




How?




BAN ISLAM

How?

Easy.



All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

Make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.



WHY?

Easy.



CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.


ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].


.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.








.




WHY?

Easy.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?







.





WHY?

Easy.



Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4





.




WHY?

Easy.



IMAGE...
...

London, moslem street protests.

Moslems 'demonstrating' - just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.




THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"



Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #63 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.




How would the ban be enforced?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #64 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.




How would the ban be enforced?





Easy.

If an Australian federal parliament ever have the balls to actually BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia,       then [logically] the Australian federal parliament would also have the balls have come to the position [politically] where it was also prepared to fully enforce such a lawful prohibition.

But i'm not holding my breath      [that such a prohibition will ever be brought to law, here in Australia].




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329795404/2#2
Quote:

What should we do ?

In a sane world, any non-moslem Australian government would require anyone who self-declares as a moslem, to leave Australia.

Why so ?






.




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8
Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions of society in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.


SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes, then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.


Otherwise we are no better than moslems.




Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #65 - Jun 28th, 2015 at 11:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 12:11pm:
.....better than that other troll - Yadda.

I ignore his posts,
          and I'm sure most others on here do as well.





Blow-hard LIAR.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1429879975/63#63

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #66 - Jun 29th, 2015 at 12:33am
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
BAN ISLAM

How?

Easy.


All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

Make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.


Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would make that very hard, Yadda.

You really don't understand Constitutional Law very well, do you?

You would need to have a Referendum to rescind or alter Section 116.  Good luck with that, particularly when every other organised religion would be preaching against your efforts.   Afterall, if you start with Islam, how long before Judaism, Buddhist, Hinduism, even Catholicism or Anglicanism was next, just to name a few...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #67 - Jun 29th, 2015 at 12:48am
 
Probably a very long time.
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #68 - Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 12:33am:
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
BAN ISLAM

How?

Easy.


All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

Make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.



Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would make that very hard, Yadda.

You really don't understand Constitutional Law very well, do you?

You would need to have a Referendum to rescind or alter Section 116.  Good luck with that, particularly when

every other organised religion


would be preaching against your efforts.

Afterall, if you start with Islam, how long before Judaism, Buddhist, Hinduism, even Catholicism or Anglicanism was next, just to name a few...   Roll Eyes




Ah.

Freedom of religion is protected in the Australian constitution.

???

Oh yes,       then that would be a problem!            Shocked               Grin




brian,

Traditionally, a religion, has always been defined as; a group of people who gather together, in private worship of a deity [of their choice].

Dictionary;
religion = =
1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.          a particular system of faith and worship.
2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.



Dictionary;
worship = = the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.       religious rites and ceremonies.




brian,

QUESTION;
What is the definition, of a murderous DEATH CULT ???






MURDEROUS DEATH CULT


The example of an 'Aussie' moslem community leader,
, describing his,       ...religion;


IMAGE...
...
Quote:

August 4, 2005      
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm





.



MURDEROUS DEATH CULT


And the example of a moslem community leader,
, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

FIRST speaking publicly ------- >


Quote:

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.








BUT, NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM - SPEAKING [PRIVATELY] TO A GROUP OF MOSLEMS ------- >

Quote:

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that

he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html




.



MURDEROUS DEATH CULT


THE HADITH [Mohammed's example/authority]....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




.





MURDEROUS DEATH CULT


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."







.


MURDEROUS DEATH CULT


THE INERRANT KORAN.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #69 - Jun 29th, 2015 at 9:41pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:03am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 12:33am:
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
BAN ISLAM

How?

Easy.


All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

Make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.



Section 116 of the Australian Constitution would make that very hard, Yadda.

You really don't understand Constitutional Law very well, do you?

You would need to have a Referendum to rescind or alter Section 116.  Good luck with that, particularly when

every other organised religion


would be preaching against your efforts.

Afterall, if you start with Islam, how long before Judaism, Buddhist, Hinduism, even Catholicism or Anglicanism was next, just to name a few...   Roll Eyes




Ah.

Freedom of religion is protected in the Australian constitution.

???

Oh yes,       then that would be a problem!            Shocked               Grin


Yes, Section 116 really does prevent you persecuting people because their religion...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #70 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:37pm
 

Quote:
IS has beheaded two women in Syria on accusations of “sorcery,” the first such execution of women in Syria, monitor says.


islam is not a religion, it is a cult.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #71 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:55pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:37pm:
Quote:
IS has beheaded two women in Syria on accusations of “sorcery,” the first such execution of women in Syria, monitor says.


islam is not a religion, it is a cult.


Define a "religion" and a "cult", Sprint.  Then explain how Islam does not fit one definition but then the other.  References of course will be expected...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #72 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:40am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:55pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:37pm:
Quote:
IS has beheaded two women in Syria on accusations of “sorcery,” the first such execution of women in Syria, monitor says.


islam is not a religion, it is a cult.


Define a "religion" and a "cult", Sprint.  Then explain how Islam does not fit one definition but then the other.  References of course will be expected...   Roll Eyes


easy.

cult = islam.

religion = most other things.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #73 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 7:34pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:40am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:55pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:37pm:
Quote:
IS has beheaded two women in Syria on accusations of “sorcery,” the first such execution of women in Syria, monitor says.


islam is not a religion, it is a cult.


Define a "religion" and a "cult", Sprint.  Then explain how Islam does not fit one definition but then the other.  References of course will be expected...   Roll Eyes


easy.

cult = islam.

religion = most other things.


I don't see an references nor explanations, Sprint.  Sorry, you fail.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #74 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 1:00pm
 

Quote:
Two attackers savagely killed a man believed to be a British soldier just outside an army barracks in an apparent terrorist attack in southeast London today, telling eyewitnesses the killing was "as an eye for an eye ... because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day."

British Prime Minister David Cameron said there were "strong indications this is a terrorist incident," and senior British officials increased security at all army barracks in London after an emergency meeting in Britain's equivalent to the White House Situation Room.

The two attackers ran over the man in a car then dragged him into the middle of the street in the South London neighborhood of Woolwich. There, in an attack clearly designed to shock this city and country, they hacked him to death with large knives, according to eyewitnesses.

Instead of running from the scene, they began talking to people gathered nearby, wanting to be seen and interviewed. One of the apparent killers asked a passerby to start filming with a camera phone. He spoke calmly, holding a bloody meat cleaver and a smaller knife, his hands stained deep red.

"We swear by almighty Allah, we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. Your people will never be safe," the man said calmly, according to ITV News, which first obtained the video. "Tell them to bring our troops back so we -- so you -- can all live in peace."

The killers had asked eyewitness to call the police, apparently to stage some sort of final confrontation. A few minutes after the interview, armed police arrived. The two men started walking toward the police, according to eyewitnesses, and police opened fire, wounding both of them.

The attackers "went for the police with the machetes, knife and handgun," one eyewitness told the BBC. "I don't think they cared."

The attack echoed a case from 2008, when a British man pleaded guilty to plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier. Despite police saying the incident was isolated, British authorities clearly became concerned about other terror attacks. Cameron cut short a visit to France and called the attack "absolutely sickening" and a "most appalling crime."

"People across Britain, people in every community, I believe, will condemn this attack," he said at a news conference in Paris. "We have had these sorts of attacks before in our country and we never buckle in the face of them."

Numerous eyewitnesses emphasized the brutality of the attack.

"These two guys were crazed. They were not there. They were just animals," a man who identified himself as James told local radio station LBC. "They then dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road… I think they were proud of what they were doing."

"Total chaos. I don't believe someone has been targeted this way in an area I live in," Lauren Collins told the BBC.

After the attack, a mother of two named Ingrid Loyau-Kennett approached one of the attackers and engaged him in conversation.

"He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk. He was just distressed, upset," Loyau-Kennett told ITV News. "He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do."

Loyau-Kennett can be seen in a photograph calmly talking to the man. He was holding a bloody knife, and she appeared unafraid.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/man-hacked-death-south-london-suspected-terr...

cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #75 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm
 
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Lionel Edriess
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1932
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #76 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm
 

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?

Geez, Brian, even the Crusades were a reactionary force.

Martel ring a bell?

Oh, sorry! Ancient history.

Grin Grin Grin


Back to top
 

Toughen up, Australia!
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #77 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #78 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.

There have been wars in a couple of them, waged by secular countries and their regular armies. Egypt?  I am only aware of Muslims massacring Copts.



But I am sure you will twist it all with your usual hand-wringing and eye-rolling into something nobody but you thinks true.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #79 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 5:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


In the last 25 years, eh?

What happened to always absolutely never ever, dear boy?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #80 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 5:16pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Quote:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


In the last 25 years, eh?

What happened to always absolutely never ever, dear boy?

Brain's time frame, not mine, Paki BVgger.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MumboJumbo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1474
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #81 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
Brain's time frame, not mine, Paki BVgger.


Don't bite, Soren. that's what he's after.

Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
There have been wars in a couple of them, waged by secular countries and their regular armies. Egypt?  I am only aware of Muslims massacring Copts.


I think Brian's trying to have it both ways -- western countries are "secular democracies" when we're talking about political advances, but "Christian countries" when we're talking about political regressions. Surely "secular" and "Christian" are mutually exclusive.
Back to top
 

See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #82 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


As you appear to have your head in the sand, Soren, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the state sanctioned massacres by Christians of Muslims in and around those countries...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
MumboJumbo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1474
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #83 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 9:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
As you appear to have your head in the sand, Soren, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the state sanctioned massacres by Christians of Muslims in and around those countries...   Roll Eyes


Oh, now that's a cop out, don't you think Brian.

"State sanctioned massacres" kind of says it all, don't you think?
Back to top
 

See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #84 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 9:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century... 
 Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.  [size=24] Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


As you appear to have your head in the sand, Soren, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the state sanctioned massacres by Christians of Muslims in and around those countries... 
 Roll Eyes




You obviously have all the details at your fingertips but CHOOSE not to share....



Rolling your eyes is not evidence, you silly old big girl's blouse.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #85 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 1:39pm
 
Quote:
A former leader of the Sydney Street Dawah preaching team will be praised as a martyr in a new al-Qa’ida-backed magazine


cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #86 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 2:58pm
 
Quote:
you silly old big girl's blouse.


more like a big girls used tampon
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #87 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 9:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


As you appear to have your head in the sand, Soren, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the state sanctioned massacres by Christians of Muslims in and around those countries...   Roll Eyes



You are nothing, your are rolling your eyes - but you have nothing concrete.
You are a chancey bloody idiot, Brain. I would be grateful to the moderators if they could instruct me on how to convey this sentiment in acceptable terms.

Until then - you are a furtive little passive aggressive idiot, Brain.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #88 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 10:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Old news, Sprint.  Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian?   I'm sure I could find some accounts from the last century...   Roll Eyes


No doubt you could.

This appears to be a specialty of yours, providing examples of ancient atrocities as an excuse for modern ones.

Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I am not aware of any 'Christians massacring people' in any of these countries in the last 25 years, Brain.


As you appear to have your head in the sand, Soren, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the state sanctioned massacres by Christians of Muslims in and around those countries...   Roll Eyes

Sooooo..... er...... do you have anything to back up your completely idiotic - predictably idiotic, I assert - claims or have you slithered off in disgrace once again?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #89 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 11:23pm
 
I don't slither away, Soren.  Unlike some I could name...

As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #90 - Jul 10th, 2015 at 6:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 11:23pm:
I don't slither away, Soren.  Unlike some I could name...

As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes



So you overstated your case once again and cannot actually articulate the details of your sweeping, baseless nonsense.

I love to see you caught out with your emotional incontinence and pompous over-indulgence of grievance.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #91 - Jul 10th, 2015 at 11:03pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 10th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 11:23pm:
I don't slither away, Soren.  Unlike some I could name...

As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes



So you overstated your case once again and cannot actually articulate the details of your sweeping, baseless nonsense.

I love to see you caught out with your emotional incontinence and pompous over-indulgence of grievance.



As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #92 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 3:55am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10th, 2015 at 11:03pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 10th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 11:23pm:
I don't slither away, Soren.  Unlike some I could name...

As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes



So you overstated your case once again and cannot actually articulate the details of your sweeping, baseless nonsense.

I love to see you caught out with your emotional incontinence and pompous over-indulgence of grievance.



As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand



It's a pleasant change from having it stuck up Yadda's arse hole.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #93 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 11:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10th, 2015 at 11:03pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 10th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2015 at 11:23pm:
I don't slither away, Soren.  Unlike some I could name...

As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes



So you overstated your case once again and cannot actually articulate the details of your sweeping, baseless nonsense.

I love to see you caught out with your emotional incontinence and pompous over-indulgence of grievance.



As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...   Roll Eyes

A couple of examples to back up your pompous overstatement would do, Brain.

Do not demure now, having pronounced so grandly. Give us the examples on which your statement rests: "state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations".

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #94 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 1:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 11:24am:
A couple of examples to back up your pompous overstatement would do, Brain.

Do not demure now, having pronounced so grandly. Give us the examples on which your statement rests: "state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations".



As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes

Did I stutter, Soren?  Was it written in Sanskrit?  Have you lost the power of literacy?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #95 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 6:28pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian? 



Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Go ahead, post some examples, Brain.


You made the initial offer - you must have know what you meant, no?



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #96 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 6:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian? 



Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Go ahead, post some examples, Brain.


You made the initial offer - you must have know what you meant, no?


As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes

It appears that you heard me stutter, Soren.  That I must have written in Sanskrit.  That you have lost the power of literacy.  I cannot come up with any alternative explanation to your failure to misunderstand my statement, Soren!    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #97 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm
 
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.

'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.

Your allegations are baseless.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #98 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.

'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.

Your allegations are baseless.


That's strange, Sprint. The Koran's not too hot on killing people either.

5.32: Quote:
“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #99 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:30pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.

'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.

Your allegations are baseless.


That's strange, Sprint. The Koran's not too hot on killing people either.

5.32: Quote:
“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”


moh was ok with it.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #100 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:35pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.


I am sure Joseph Kony and Fred Phelps would disagree with you, Sprint.   I'm also sure that the Reverend Fred Nile would disagree with you, while History would demonstrate otherwise as well...    Roll Eyes

Quote:
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.


Except in the Vatican and the UK, Sprint.    Roll Eyes

Quote:
'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.


Mmm, let me check my copy of The Bible, The Christian Bible:

Seems you're wrong.  Starts with Genesis, Sprint:

Quote:
19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.


Seems it's OK if it's The Lord doing the massacrings...

Quote:
Your allegations are baseless.


Really, Sprint?    Roll Eyes

BTW, where do you stand on the creation story of The Bible?
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #101 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 6:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:05pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 7:23pm:
Perhaps I should start posting news about Christians massacring people who aren't Christian? 



Other than isolated instances, got any in the last 50 years?


How about Iraq, Lionel?  Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait?   Just to name a few from the last 25 years.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Go ahead, post some examples, Brain.


You made the initial offer - you must have know what you meant, no?


As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes

It appears that you heard me stutter, Soren.  That I must have written in Sanskrit.  That you have lost the power of literacy.  I cannot come up with any alternative explanation to your failure to misunderstand my statement, Soren!    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You can't back up your stupid assertions, Brain, that's all there is to it.  You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.

Carry on. Give us some examples of "Christians massacring people who aren't Christian" in "Iraq, Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait? over the last 25 years"


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #102 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.



This is quite funny, coming from one of the forum's most ardent terrorist apologists.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #103 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 9:13pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.

'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.

Your allegations are baseless.


That's strange, Sprint. The Koran's not too hot on killing people either.

5.32: Quote:
“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”


moh was ok with it.


Moh said it, Sprint. Or the Angel Gabriel, I forget which.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #104 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 9:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:56pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.



This is quite funny, coming from one of the forum's most ardent terrorist apologists.


Grin Grin

You sad little onanist, you enjoy counter-factuals like a monkey enjoys its pr!ck.

Carry on, you compulsive little monkey.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #105 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Brian - Christianity is not a political movement.
It is not a state. It is not an army, It is not a legal system.

'massacres' of any peoples is not okayed of in the Christian Bible.

Your allegations are baseless.


That's strange, Sprint. The Koran's not too hot on killing people either.

5.32: Quote:
“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”


moh was ok with it.


Moh said it, Sprint. Or the Angel Gabriel, I forget which.


someone who is unknown wrote that moh said that an angel told him that.

then moh killed lots of people.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #106 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:09am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
You can't back up your stupid assertions, Brain, that's all there is to it.  You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.

Carry on. Give us some examples of "Christians massacring people who aren't Christian" in "Iraq, Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait? over the last 25 years"


As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #107 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 11:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:09am:
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
You can't back up your stupid assertions, Brain, that's all there is to it.  You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.

Carry on. Give us some examples of "Christians massacring people who aren't Christian" in "Iraq, Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait? over the last 25 years"


As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes

The fact remains that there was no "Christians massacring people who aren't Christian" in the sense you mean it, Brain, in a way that is comparable to Islamists killing apostates and unbelievers on religious grounds. There has been no 'Christian' massacre of non-Christians on religious grounds for a very, very long time.  This is just a fact and it doesn't matter how much you roll your eyes and pretend to know otherwise *(but will not say it).

It is not helpful or smart for you to make outlandish statements in order to create a sense that equivalence exists between what is done in the name of Islam and in the name of others religions and ideologies. There is no equivalence.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #108 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 11:31am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:09am:
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
You can't back up your stupid assertions, Brain, that's all there is to it.  You mouth off and then slither away like the arse-covering squishy apologist you are.

Carry on. Give us some examples of "Christians massacring people who aren't Christian" in "Iraq, Afghanistan?   Egypt?  Kuwait? over the last 25 years"


As I pointed out, you appear to have had your head in the sand over the state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians in or around those nations, Soren.   I don't think anything I could say will convince you because of your Islamophobia.   So, I'll just leave it.  You could of course do a bit of reading?  Figure it out yourself but I suspect the words might be a bit long for you in most history books...    Roll Eyes



Quote:
..........state sanctioned massacres of Muslims by Christians ........

Christianity is not a state, a legal system or an army.

Your supposition is false
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #109 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 11:55am
 
Who were the perpetrators, who were the victims?

...

...

Who's dead, who's holding the gun?

...

...

To give some proportion to the numbers of civilian dead in Iraq in 2003:

...

Who's holding the gun in Afghanistan in 2001-2011? Who is dead?

...

...

Soren and Sprint, it was (primarily) Christians who killed these Muslims, often in state sanctioned massacres, utilising high-tech weaponry without care as to what "collateral" damage they inflicted.

As much as you claim Christianity has "no Army" the reality is quite a bit different, Sprint.

As much as you claim I have lied, there are tens of thousands, millions perhaps photos which demonstrate otherwise, Soren.

Now, why don't you grow up, both of you and stop denying the reality of what the rest of the world has seen?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #110 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 5:04pm
 
The apologist's fallacious excuses are getting weaker by the day.

Now it's *people who wear uniforms and fight islamic atrocities are Christians*.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #111 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 7:10pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 5:04pm:
The apologist's fallacious excuses are getting weaker by the day.

Now it's *people who wear uniforms and fight islamic atrocities are Christians*.


Quote:
In a 2008 study of U.S. military members it was found that members of the military are less likely to be Christian than the general U.S. population.

The US general population is currently 80% Christian, while, according to the study, the military services (combined) are about 77% Christian. It's still a large majority, though.

About 22 percent of the military claim "no religion/secular", 77% are Christian of various faiths, and about 1 percent is made up of other religions, such as Jewish, Wiccan, Hindu and Muslim.

[Source]

So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3928
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #112 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 8:21pm
 
You have to admire the mental gymnastics involved.  A jihadist who declares themselves to be committing an atrocity for Islam has nuffin to do wiv islam, but a western military member in a national army commits atrocities for Chritianity.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

buggered if I know how the apologists keep all that straight in their heads.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #113 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 9:45pm
 

Quote:
........A terror suspect with close ties to the Tunisian beach massacre mastermind has lived on welfare in Britain for 20 years. .....


islam = cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #114 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 10:21am
 
Brian Ross wrote; Quote:
So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses


You are quoting from a private answer on yahoo services, a site where anyone can answer questions.

Here's part of their disclaimer:

19. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES

YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT:


a. YOUR USE OF THE YAHOO SERVICES AND SOFTWARE ARE AT YOUR SOLE RISK. THE YAHOO SERVICES AND SOFTWARE ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS. YAHOO AND ITS SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, PARTNERS AND LICENSORS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT.

b. YAHOO AND ITS SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, PARTNERS AND LICENSORSMAKE NO WARRANTY THAT (i) THE YAHOO SERVICES OR SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS; (ii) THE YAHOO SERVICES OR SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR-FREE; (iii) THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE YAHOO SERVICES OR SOFTWARE WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE; (iv) THE QUALITY OF ANY PRODUCTS, SERVICES, INFORMATION OR OTHER MATERIAL PURCHASED OR OBTAINED BY YOU THROUGH THE YAHOO SERVICES OR SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS; AND (v) ANY ERRORS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.

source

So your source could be anybody and not guaranteed to be reliable.

But then again I'm not surprised, you will stoop to any level to excuse islamic terrorism

==========================================================================


Karnal wrote: Quote:
5.32:
“…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”


Beautiful example of muslims and their apologists disingenuously trying to exonerate islamic sanctioned torture and murder.

You cherry picked one line out of a verse why?

Never mind I'll set the record straight for you:

qur'an 5.32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

You deliberately left out 90% of the verse why? Oh that's right it actually tells muslims it's perfectly O.K. to kill people who spread corruption.

Now what does the very next verse say?

qur'an 5.33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

There it is again good old islamic torture and murder.

But then again it doesn't really mean what it says does it?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #115 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 11:51am
 
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 10:21am:


You cherry picked one line out of a verse why?

Never mind I'll set the record straight for you:

qur'an 5.32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

You deliberately left out 90% of the verse why? Oh that's right it actually tells muslims it's perfectly O.K. to kill people who spread corruption.

Now what does the very next verse say?

qur'an 5.33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and [b]strive upon earth [to cause] corruption
is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

There it is again good old islamic torture and murder.

But then again it doesn't really mean what it says does it?


Good quoting, Moses. You've addressed my quote specifically.

You're right. Good old Islamic torture and murder. But what does this mean:  "And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." ?

How does this tell Muslims it's perfectly O.K. to kill people who spread corruption?

I certainly can't apologize for the next verse. Imagine having your hands and feet cut off for waging war against Muhammed.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #116 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 11:58am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
Quote:
........A terror suspect with close ties to the Tunisian beach massacre mastermind has lived on welfare in Britain for 20 years. .....


islam = cult



I blame the Muslims.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #117 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
Good quoting, Moses. You've addressed my quote specifically.

You're right. Good old Islamic torture and murder. But what does this mean:  "And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." ?

How does this tell Muslims it's perfectly O.K. to kill people who spread corruption?

I certainly can't apologize for the next verse. Imagine having your hands and feet cut off for waging war against Muhammed.


You've ignored the bits in 5.32 and 5.33 about torture and murder being the way for muslims to punish people who are corrupters.

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause
corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."


qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

explained here More about corrupters / hypocrites

Do you think merely being a muslim hypocrite, or a follower of another belief, is justification for muslims to torture and kill them?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 13th, 2015 at 3:10pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #118 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 2:54pm:
Karnal wrote: Quote:
Good quoting, Moses. You've addressed my quote specifically.

You're right. Good old Islamic torture and murder. But what does this mean:  "And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." ?

How does this tell Muslims it's perfectly O.K. to kill people who spread corruption?

I certainly can't apologize for the next verse. Imagine having your hands and feet cut off for waging war against Muhammed.


You've ignored the bits in 5.32 and 5.33 about torture and murder being the way for muslims to punish people who are corrupters.

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause
corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."


qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

explained here More about corrupters / hypocrites

Do you think merely being a muslim hypocrite, or a follower of another belief, is justification for muslims to torture and kill them?


I most certainly do not, Moses. I can't see how the quote about not murdering people is changed by your quotes about corruption (or criminality). Your quote 2.10 indicates that Allah will punish habitual liars. It's not an order to kill.

5.32 gives an out to killing people who break the law, i.e, corrupters. 5.33 talks about torturing people who declare war against Allah and His Messenger. I.e, Muhammed.

I guess, with a long bow, Muslims could interpret this as an order to kill POWs, but there are other verses on that as we've discussed. Your verse on "slaughter in the land" means war on the battlefield.

From what you've posted, I can see no calls to kill and torture people who don't believe. It reads to me as the rules of war and criminality during a time of war. Why they've been placed in a book on God, I have no idea. I'd like to know what Muslims think about this, because it seems to me to be one of the central enigmas of the Koran.

If the Koran is about Muhammed's harsh actions in the defence of a besieged city, how can this be the final message of God to humankind?

And if it's instructions on creating a race of bloodthirsty killers, why tell them to be nice to each other and to preserve human life?

It beats me. What do you think?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #119 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 6:37pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
I most certainly do not, Moses. I can't see how the quote about not murdering people is changed by your quotes about corruption (or criminality). Your quote 2.10 indicates that Allah will punish habitual liars. It's not an order to kill.

5.32 gives an out to killing people who break the law, i.e, corrupters. 5.33 talks about torturing people who declare war against Allah and His Messenger. I.e, Muhammed.



qur'an 5.32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for
corruption
[done] in the land
- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

According to 5.32 you can kill a murderer or someone who is doing corruption in the land.

Now what does the very next verse say?

qur'an 5.33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause]
corruption
is none but that
they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

It commands torture and murder as a punishment for corrupters.

Now who are corrupters according to the qur'an?

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause
corruption
on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."


qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

Well according to the qur'an corrupters are muslims who have a different position to muhammad on the theology of islam.

So people who explain their different theological position as wanting reformation are to be tortured and murdered.

Muslims have been killing each other for about 1400 years now, over the slightest theological diffferences.

They do this because the qur'an tells them to.

The very deeds of muslims around the globe is proof of my position.

They are the most inhumane torturers and murderers, every one of these depraved muslims can and do justify their actions by the commands of allah, the teachings of muhammad, the verses in the qur'an.

Yet muslims and their apologists continually lie, telling us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

Quote:
I guess, with a long bow, Muslims could interpret this as an order to kill POWs, but there are other verses on that as we've discussed. Your verse on "slaughter in the land" means war on the battlefield.


It means exactly what it says. A prophet must slaughter excessively before he can take prisoners

Quote:
And if it's instructions on creating a race of bloodthirsty killers, why tell them to be nice to each other and to preserve human life?


Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?

The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #120 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?

The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.


So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #121 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?

The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.


So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?

The Muslim Game:

Muslims quote verse 2:256 from the Qur’an to prove what a tolerant religion Islam is.  The verse reads in part, “Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clearly from error…”

The Truth:

One trick of apologists is to quote from earlier verses in the Quran to portray Islam as peaceful without mentioning that they are superceded by later, more violent verses.

The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.  It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca.  They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish.  It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.



Explain (away) Gandy.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #122 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
5:32

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.


Not submitting to Islam is 'mischief' in the land of Muslims.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #123 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.


Fail Soren.

Medina period = later period, after the hijra.

The Medina verses are the alleged "abrogation" verses.

Didn't you notice thats the exact point I was making when you quoted me?  Cheesy
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #124 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:33pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.


Fail Soren.

Medina period = later period, after the hijra.

The Medina verses are the alleged "abrogation" verses.

Didn't you notice thats the exact point I was making when you quoted me?  Cheesy

it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.  It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. 
They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them,
many of which were Jewish.  It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.



God's revelation, my arse.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #125 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:53pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
The Muslim Game:


....followed by something that is demonstrably factually incorrect...

Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics? You jump in head first with the 'typical sinister muslim' accusation (in this case "The Muslim Game:") - and then lay out the "evidence" - which turns out to be something completely and outrageously false. And just like your honour-killer in Stockholm lie, you will never acknowledge how it is a problem. Oh, you'll offer the usual "yeah ok I got that wrong - lets move on" - but like then, you'll rub salt into the wound by the tried and true "but it doesn't change the fact...." - which is just another way of saying "there is no problem with my porky pies - because they point to a greater truth". And on and on you'll go - claiming the moral high ground and lecturing about tricky and deceitful muslims. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it - that someone could rail about muslims deceit - and continually dismiss the throwing around of porky pies about muslims left right and centre as somehow insignificant? Yet thats exactly what you do.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #126 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.  It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca.  They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish.  It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem


OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #127 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.  It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca.  They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish.  It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem


OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.

Islam is not an honest creed, Gandy.

It has revelations to suit all occasions and times.  You do not want to see that. But it's there for all to see.

Mohammed's 'revelations' were just in time for his political needs. You insist that this is divine but I think it's a load of nonsense.

The final revelation to Mohammed is no improvement on anything that went before EXCEPT for bolstering Mohammed's political position.

You are blind, pretending to be stupid.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #128 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.  It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca.  They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish.  It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem


OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.


Good heavens, G, you have such low expectations of the old boy.

That’s soft bigotry right there.

The old boy has every right to be a bigot, you know. He also has the right to not be offended. It’s not his fault.

He can’t help it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #129 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:53pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
The Muslim Game:


....followed by something that is demonstrably factually incorrect...

Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics? You jump in head first with the 'typical sinister muslim' accusation (in this case "The Muslim Game:") - and then lay out the "evidence" - which turns out to be something completely and outrageously false. And just like your honour-killer in Stockholm lie, you will never acknowledge how it is a problem. Oh, you'll offer the usual "yeah ok I got that wrong - lets move on" - but like then, you'll rub salt into the wound by the tried and true "but it doesn't change the fact...." - which is just another way of saying "there is no problem with my porky pies - because they point to a greater truth". And on and on you'll go - claiming the moral high ground and lecturing about tricky and deceitful muslims. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it - that someone could rail about muslims deceit - and continually dismiss the throwing around of porky pies about muslims left right and centre as somehow insignificant? Yet thats exactly what you do.



You cannot be simultaneously honest and maintain that Mohammed was the best of all men.


Something is on either side of that occasion is not true.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #130 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
You cannot be simultaneously honest and maintain that Mohammed was the best of all men.


While ever you hold on to this nonsense we will never have a fair and honest discussion on this.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #131 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 11:06pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote; Quote:
So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses


You are quoting from a private answer on yahoo services, a site where anyone can answer questions.


Shock, that someone might have private knowledge of the religious make up of the US military, Moses!

You appear to have missed the point where the answerer answered, "In a 2008 study of U.S. military members..."

Which 2008 study?   This one, perhaps?  "U.S.ReligiousLandscape Survey Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant June 2008"  Or was it this one? "Religious Diversity in the U.S. Military: Human Potential supporting Cultural Acuity and Mission Accomplishment" Or could it have been this one?  "Military Personnel and Freedom of Religious Expression: Selected Legal Issues"

There are more to choose from, Moses...    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #132 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:14am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 11:06pm:
moses wrote on Jul 13th, 2015 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote; Quote:
So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses


You are quoting from a private answer on yahoo services, a site where anyone can answer questions.


Shock, that someone might have private knowledge of the religious make up of the US military, Moses!

You appear to have missed the point where the answerer answered, "In a 2008 study of U.S. military members..."

Which 2008 study?   This one, perhaps?  "U.S.ReligiousLandscape Survey Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant June 2008"  Or was it this one? "Religious Diversity in the U.S. Military: Human Potential supporting Cultural Acuity and Mission Accomplishment" Or could it have been this one?  "Military Personnel and Freedom of Religious Expression: Selected Legal Issues"

There are more to choose from, Moses...    Roll Eyes



For you to say that the US military is a 'Christian' force in the way that, say,  ISIL is a Muslim force is utter nonsense.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #133 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:37am
 
Quote:
.........
Jailed over a Facebook post

AN Australian artist has been jailed in Abu Dhabi for “writing bad words on social media”. She says she has no idea what she’s done wrong, or why no one will help her.
...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #134 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:43am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:37am:
Quote:
.........
Jailed over a Facebook post

AN Australian artist has been jailed in Abu Dhabi for “writing bad words on social media”. She says she has no idea what she’s done wrong, or why no one will help her.
...



I just don't understand people and facebook.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #135 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:


Your first two links deal with the role of religion in society. The third link deals with freedom of religion in society.

Quote:
There are more to choose from, Moses...


Well you need them to back up your outlandish claims.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #136 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:45pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?


Have you ever compared the actual number of verses in the qur'an which command the killing of people, the requirement that all religion must be for allah, it's pathetic, muhammad even lied to give himself the right to slaughter Christians.

He falsely stated that Christians said allah had a son.

Christians did not believe that Jesus was the son of allah at all, they knew that Christ was the son of Y.H.W.H.

Didn't stop muhammad from slaughtering them, or present day muslims from carrying out the same  inhumane killing of their fellow man (who have a different belief to them).

Quote:
Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics?


More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:55pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #137 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm
 
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #138 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #139 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 8:25am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??



Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #140 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:03am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?



Allah himself justifies the moslem 'slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son'.

Isn't that so gandalf ?




Christians.

ISLAM says,
"Dont believe on the son. Because Allah has no son."


Christianity says,
"Believe on the son."




In the Koran, Allah [directly] states that he has no son [or 'children']....

"...Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son,...."
Koran 4.171



In the Koran, Allah [directly] CURSES the Jews and the Christians....

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! "
Koran 9.30


Shirk is the greatest major sin.

Because shirk involves associating others with Allah.

Allah does not share his power!

Google;
shirk greatest sin in islam



The sin of shirk, identifies that person as a wilful disbeliever, and as a person who insults Allah and his perfect religion.

Moslems characterise such people as those who deserve to die, and as legitimate targets of Jihadi violence [for the Cause of Allah].





"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:08am by Yadda »  

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #141 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:53pm
 

Quote:
A SYDNEY mother who abandoned her two children and fled to Syria is writing ­poetry and working with the widows of dead jihadists to target terror recruits


islam is a cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #142 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
Thats pretty damn tenuous yadda, Their are many phrases in the Quran that are much simpler to interpret like the following:

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

The point is that the Quran, like the Bible or the Torah are not inherently moral, rather they rely on the morality of those who interpret them. We read the same bible as the Crusaders, we do not act like them.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2015 at 1:07pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #143 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 1:05pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:53pm:
Quote:
A SYDNEY mother who abandoned her two children and fled to Syria is writing ­poetry and working with the widows of dead jihadists to target terror recruits


islam is a cult


I read the article(and the original, and the report it was based on)
Couldn't find the part about her targeting terror recruits(they do say that she was sending encrypted messages, then rely on context and the readers imagination for the rest). Admittedly she did write poetry about missing her own children which is pretty bad-ass. Id be afraid.



Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #144 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 4:08pm
 
Julie Bishop flags longer war as 400 Aussies sign up for jihad’s team terror 

January 27, 2015 12:00AM

UP to 400 Australians are now estimated to be either fighting for Islamic State terrorists in the Middle East or actively supporting their cause here at home, with security agencies alarmed at the rate young men are turning to terror.

The above extracts from here

There are about 400,000 muslims in Australia.

Which means that one in a thousand muslims is actively engaged in islamic terrorism.

There are approximately 23,000,000 people in Australia.

Going on the muslim average of one in a thousand, why aren't there 23,000 religious terrorists from the non islamic community?

There are none, therefore muslims are 23,000 times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other group of people in our society.

Still we've got the muslims and their apologists desperately lying to us, with their it's got nothing to do with islam excuse.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #145 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 4:44pm
 
Up to 400 includes the numbers 200, 100,50 and 0.

Also, that up to 400 number is composed of both international fighters and domestic supporters. I'm not 100% sure what the governments definition for supporting ISIS is but that's only because they haven't told anyone.

You claim these numbers indicate .1% of Muslims are Terrorists.  I state that if we had 400 people here who were violent terrorists we probably would have had at least one actual terrorist incident. since we havn't  I call bulldust scaremongering.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 15th, 2015 at 4:49pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #146 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 7:36pm
 

Quote:
A man suspected of plotting a domestic Al Qaeda-inspired terror strike screamed ‘cowards’ at police as he was arrested on his lunch break yesterday.

Eyewitnesses described the suspect being dragged away by masked plain clothes police officers who were waiting for him at the offices of a healthcare giant.

The dramatic scene took place at medical supplies distributor Alliance Healthcare in Letchworth, Hertfordshire, where he is believed to have worked as a driver.

Two other men, aged in their 20s and 30s, were arrested in simultaneous operations at separate homes in Luton, just 13 miles away.



more mad muslims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3161591/Police-hold-three-men-plotting-A...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #147 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 7:40pm
 


Quote:
tourist was forced to her knees at knifepoint at Rome's Colosseum in a terrifying attack that recalled an ISIS-style execution.

Hundreds of horrified visitors to the Italian landmark looked on as the attacker held a kitchen knife to the neck of a 26-year-old woman and yelled 'Allah is great' and 'It is God that sends me'.

The man held Chiara Frisco hostage for several minutes as he yelled religious fanaticism at the crowd with police powerless to act.

One witness said: 'It seemed like a scene from ISIS.

'He made the girl get down on her knees like you see in the terrorists' videos, while he held a knife to her throat.

'The only thing missing was the orange jumpsuit.'

Others told Il Messaggero he was yelling 'incomprehensible things, but among them "Allah is great".'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160876/Knifeman-shouting-Allah-great-fo...

another cult member from islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #148 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:49pm
 
i still call bulldust scaremongering
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #149 - Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:57pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 8:25am:
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??



Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god.  The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.


I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.


(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.i
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #150 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 1:24am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

Thats pretty damn tenuous yadda, Their are many phrases in the Quran that are much simpler to interpret like the following:

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.






Pho Huc,

LOL

Laughable!




[2.62] is full of weasel words.



What [2.62] is actually saying is;         
If Jews, and the Christians, ARE MOSLEMS,
      i.e. if those Jews, and the Christians
'believe in Allah and the Last day and does good'
[i.e. be good MOSLEMS!!], Allah will be good to them.


Read it carefully!!!!!!   ....[2.62] actually says; If "those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."





Pho Huc,

Your representation of what [2.62] says, is a COMPLETE fraud!





FURTHER;
The Koran is supposed to be the revealed, *inerrant*, words of Allah himself.

But Allah is somewhat inconsistent....

Position #1
In the Koran!!!! ....Allah declares that Christians are nearest in love to the believers [to muslims], and the Christians are not arrogant [like Jews and Pagans].

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."
Koran 5.082


Position #2
Despite Allah's declaration in 5.082 that amongst Christians are '....men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world',

Koran 9.030 declares that Christians bear Allah's curse [just like Jews and Pagans].

"......and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah......
Allah's curse be on them:
how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.030



THE TRUTH;

There is no sympathy or mercy, among moslems [when they have power over Christians], for Christians.

Christians [when they fall into the power of moslems] are to be slaughtered, by the moslem, just like all other disbelievers who reject Allah's 'perfect' religion.


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




Quote:

Question:

Are Muslims allowed to make friends with Christians, Jews or other non-Muslims?


Summary Answer:

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."

Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs.

It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims.

In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

[Koran and Hadith citations, are given....]


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/009-friends-with-christians-jews.htm



For any one who doubts the truth, of ISLAM's malevolence towards Christians and Jews.

-------- >

Google;
koran against christians jews



Dictionary;
malevolent = = wishing evil to others.





Mohammed himself, on his death-bed said;
"May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians"


"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.056.660





.




Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine


Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.




It is the Hot place!.....for every moslem.



Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #151 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 11:08am
 
sorry yadda,
can you please repost in a more legible format?

I think you are the one mis-interpreting the Quran.

According to the Quran, Allah, Yaweh, Jehovah are all the same entity, just different terms used by different religions.   
You have to distort it to a remarkable degree to infer the meaning that you find.
Though many people distort the Quran, all those crazy extremists eh?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 16th, 2015 at 2:49pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #152 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 1:47pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 8:25am:
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??



Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god.  The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.


I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.


(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.


So no evidence then. Thanks for clarifying.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #153 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
Up to 400 includes the numbers 200, 100,50 and 0.

Also, that up to 400 number is composed of both international fighters and domestic supporters. I'm not 100% sure what the governments definition for supporting ISIS is but that's only because they haven't told anyone.

You claim these numbers indicate .1% of Muslims are Terrorists.  I state that if we had 400 people here who were violent terrorists we probably would have had at least one actual terrorist incident. since we havn't  I call bulldust scaremongering.


Well I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being threatened.

I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being carried out.

I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being defeated.


Man Haron Monis, who conducted a muslim terrorist attack against innocent civilians forcing them hold an Islamic black flag up against the window of Lindt café, featuring the shahādah creed.


Counterterrorism police have alleged two of the five men they arrested in an operation in Melbourne on Saturday morning were planning an Islamic State-inspired terrorist attack on an Anzac Day ceremony.

ISLAMIC State has named Australia as one of five main targets for terrorist attacks, calling for “stab the crusader” to be a “battle cry” for its supporters around the world.

the teenage terrorist Abdul Numan Haider who went on an Islamic jihadi attack at a suburban police station in Melbourne’s east last September, armed with two knives and an Islamic State flag. He was shot dead by police.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #154 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 4:35pm
 
In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident. He shot someone. he is a muslim.  Therfore he is a terrorist. i guess.

The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group. 

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere. 

If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.

Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.






Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Raven
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2982
Around
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #155 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 4:37pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:53pm:
Quote:
A SYDNEY mother who abandoned her two children and fled to Syria is writing ­poetry and working with the widows of dead jihadists to target terror recruits


islam is a cult


No Islam is a religion. It passes the Litmus test. It all boils down to the ABCs.

Assure, Believe, Convert.

Islam assures it's followers of an afterlife, it's followers believe in Allah and the Quran and they wish to convert others to their beliefs.

That is a religion.

Now since you were making that comment in a derogatory fashion, Raven is going to have to agree with you.

Islam is a cult

So is Christianity, Judaism and Scientology.
Back to top
 

Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #156 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 9:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 8:25am:
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??



Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god.  The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.


I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.


(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.


So no evidence then. Thanks for clarifying.

So Islam is now about falsifiable evidence like science?

Who knew?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #157 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 8:27pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).



I would like this point addressed.  Gandy, whaddaya reckon?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #158 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 9:35pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident.

He shot someone. he is a muslim.

Therfore he is a terrorist.

i guess.


The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group. 

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere. 


If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.



Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.






Haron Monis forced his Lindt Cafe victims to hold up an ISLAMIC Shahada flag.

Not a moslem ?

Not an ISLAMIC terror attack ?




.




...

'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar.




Pho Huc,

What about Mohamed Elomar ????????


Not a moslem ?

Not an 'Aussie' moslem ?

Not an ISLAMIC terrorist, MURDERING disbelievers in the 'Cause of Allah' ?





Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"




.






Pho Huc,

What about these people ????????


------------- >

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."


...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"




Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.       !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.


------------- >

Muslims brainwash children in Australia
  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E




Pho Huc,

Not 'Aussie' moslems ?

Not ISLAMIC terrorists ???

Not encouraging their fellow moslems to , MURDER disbelievers in the 'Cause of Allah' ?


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #159 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:02pm
 
Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make.  ill try and phrase it more clearly. some people are crazy. some people are muslims. sometimes they are the same people. usually they are not.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #160 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 8:27pm:
moses wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).



I would like this point addressed.  Gandy, whaddaya reckon?



You’ll have to join the queue, dear boy. Gandy’s waiting on a point to be addressed by you.You keep diverting with the same ten year old post.

Whaddaya reckon?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #161 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:31pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:02pm:
Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make.  ill try and phrase it more clearly.

some people are crazy.

some people are muslims.

sometimes they are the same people.

usually they are not.





IMO, all moslems have a malevolent intent towards those who reject ISLAM.

And imo, if Allah provides the moslem with an 'opportunity',      the moslem will 'rise to the occasion', and willingly 'express' that malevolence towards those who reject ISLAM.



Pho Huc,

Moslems denying that they have a malevolent intent [towards those who reject ISLAM],     does not make moslems sane people.



.



Sane moslems ?

Or merely deceitful moslems ???

-------------- >

Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."





Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"



Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.







.



CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.


ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].


.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.







.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?







.





WHY WOULD I BELIEVE, THAT ISLAM IS NOT MURDEROUS DEATH CULT ???


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





.



WHY WOULD I BELIEVE, THAT ISLAM IS NOT MURDEROUS DEATH CULT ???


THE INERRANT KORAN.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #162 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:42pm
 
Which would be why we keep getting invaded by indonesia? that 200 million strong 90% muslim country. cause boy howdy, without us civilized christians in charge they must be slaughtering every kafir they see.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #163 - Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
look yadda, technically there are NO sane fundamentalists. in any religion. as soon as your practice of religion starts to reduce the number or people you can easily associate with your exhibiting abnormal anti-social traits.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #164 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:50am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 8:27pm:
moses wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).



I would like this point addressed.  Gandy, whaddaya reckon?



I reckon, as usual, you and moses are going out of your way to dismiss the fact that a majority of muslims have goodwill and a peaceful interpretation of Islam. I reckon, as usual, you and moses are determined at all costs to pass off your violent and intolerant version of Islam as the true doctrine of Islam - and labelling me and the majority of muslims who disagree as liars. I reckon you and moses don't have any interest in seeing a resolution to this issue - outside mass persecution and vilification of muslims.

Actualy, I reckon you two are not frustrated at all - you thrive on it. I reckon you two jerk off every time you hear of another muslim atrocity.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #165 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 3:45pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
[
In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident. He shot someone. he is a muslim.  Therfore he is a terrorist. i guess.

The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group. 

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere. 

If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.

Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.


Terrorism = In pursuit of political aims?

You've left out most of the meaning of the word terrorism, why is that?

From the dictionary:

terrorism noun: The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

So it appears you can have religious terrorists.

Islam preaches terrorism as it's highest path, the jihadist is to slay and be slain in the cause of allah, in return he is guaranteed direct entry into allah's paradise with a room full of big breasted houris.

The doctrine of islam which engenders terrorism is found in the  following tenets: jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

WE have a world wide problem, caused by muslims and their islamic terrorism.

Until muslims and their apologists have the moral fortitude to stand up and condemn the islamic dogma which spawns and feeds fundamentalist islamic terrorism, muslim atrocities will continue.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #166 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:49pm
 
depends which dictionary you use. you state that islam preaches jihad as its highest path.  you base this upon your personal interpretation of islamic dogma  as well the extremist interpretations. you willfully ignore the interpretations of the majority of muslims by avoidance and obfuscation. 
We do have world wide problems. islam doesnt make the list of important ones.
Smoking, car accidents and macdonalds are orders of magnitude more likely to kill or hurt my friends and family than islamic extremists.

Why arn't you soapboxing about these threats?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:41pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #167 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:51pm
 
iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #168 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:11pm
 

Quote:
Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez allegedly opened fire at two US military facilities in Chattanooga before being killed.


Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #169 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:40pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:11pm:
Quote:
Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez



Right there - nuffin to do wiv Islam.

Everyone can see that.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #170 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:42pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?


What is your personal experience with fascism? 

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?


Please explain.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #171 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:26pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #172 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:42pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?


What is your personal experience with fascism? 

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?


Please explain.





I have no personal experience with fascism.
That's why I don't talk about it.
If you start a thread about fascism ill read it and refrain from comment due to my personal ignorance.

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #173 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:43pm
 
Actually, you should start a thread about Fascism. I think you would be much more knowledgeable and informative about a topic that's really in your wheelhouse.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #174 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:52pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:43pm:
Actually, you should start a thread about Fascism. I think you would be much more knowledgeable and informative about a topic that's really in your wheelhouse.


fascism is islam around here pho
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #175 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:02pm
 
I must admit that i'm amused by the irony of Soren bringing up fascism, particularly as an analogy in this particular thread   Wink
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #176 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:03pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 8:27pm:
moses wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).



I would like this point addressed.  Gandy, whaddaya reckon?



You’ll have to join the queue, dear boy. Gandy’s waiting on a point to be addressed by you.You keep diverting with the same ten year old post.

Whaddaya reckon?

Are you his PA bitch?

Miam miam, what?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #177 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:42pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:51pm:
iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?


What is your personal experience with fascism? 

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?


Please explain.





I have no personal experience with fascism.
That's why I don't talk about it.
If you start a thread about fascism ill read it and refrain from comment due to my personal ignorance.


Islam and fascism have a core point in common - they both demand submission.
Islam means Submission.
Are you ready to submit? Or have you already?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #178 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:09pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 10:02pm:
Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make.  ill try and phrase it more clearly. some people are crazy. some people are muslims. sometimes they are the same people. usually they are not.

Is this the 'Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'' argumenmt or do you think you are bringing a new isight?


We have done the 'Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'' argument to death and it is as shallow and stupid as it's ever been.

Do you have a new insight?  It doesn't look likely.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #179 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
I don't think I have any really fresh insights, in the words of Yaddas favorite penpal  "there is nothing new under the sun"

It seem obvious to me that not all murderous homicidal bastards are muslims.
And not all muslims are murderous homicidal bastards.
So maybe, just maybe, acts of murder and barbarity can exist without the influence of Islam.

I accept that the Quran can be(and is) interpreted in ways which support actions unconscionable to the vast majority(which includes muslims). I reject and Condemn those who participate in or organize such actions.
I refuse to demonize any segment of our community on the actions of small minority because i believe it to be counter productive.

If I hate Muslims I am going to be a dick to Muslims. That will make them hate me. Then they will be dicks to me. and so on
The only way to improve things is to try and love and accept them. Its not easy and goes against most of our innate psychological drivers.
Even at the cost of seeming weak surrender weakens the enemy when the enemy relies on conflict for survival.

Im sure someone has said it better than me before though.

 
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:48pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #180 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 12:08pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
I don't think I have any really fresh insights, in the words of Yaddas favorite penpal  "there is nothing new under the sun"

It seem obvious to me that not all murderous homicidal bastards are muslims.
And not all muslims are murderous homicidal bastards.
So maybe, just maybe, acts of murder and barbarity can exist without the influence of Islam.

I accept that the Quran can be(and is) interpreted in ways which support actions unconscionable to the vast majority(which includes muslims). I reject and Condemn those who participate in or organize such actions.
I refuse to demonize any segment of our community on the actions of small minority because i believe it to be counter productive.

If I hate Muslims I am going to be a dick to Muslims. That will make them hate me. Then they will be dicks to me. and so on
The only way to improve things is to try and love and accept them. Its not easy and goes against most of our innate psychological drivers.
Even at the cost of seeming weak surrender weakens the enemy when the enemy relies on conflict for survival.

Im sure someone has said it better than me before though.

 


No, Pho, you said it well. That’s the position of the wise man.

Expect a few long posts from Yadda in reply. And expect FD to chase you around for a few months. With any luck, he’ll post your bit about loving Muslims into its own thread.

Believe it or not, FD once said exactly what you’ve said. Many times.

FD hasn’t been the same since the accident.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm by Big Donger »  
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #181 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 1:22pm
 
Pho Huc  wrote: Quote:
you state that islam preaches jihad as its highest path.  you base this upon your personal interpretation of islamic dogma  as well the extremist interpretations. you willfully ignore the interpretations of the majority of muslims by avoidance and obfuscation.


Can you tell us how the jihadists misinterpret the following?

qur'an 4.95:Not equalare those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled[] - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

qur'an 4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

qur'an 9.20: Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's cause are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

qur'an 61.11: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

All of the above teach that killing is the duty of muslims, those who die while carrying out this islamic slaughter will definitely enter paradise. (hence the love of suicide missions for islamic terrorists)

However most importantly the islamic killers who do the actual killing are a grade higher than other muslims.

muhammad even gave himself permission to carry out mass slaughter with the following:

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise

You claim misinterpretation as your excuse for islamic terror, can you explain how jihadists have got the above and many more such verses wrong?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #182 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 2:31pm
 
Are you starting to understand now, Pho? Here we have Moses, who’s been given the Muslim reading of most of the Koran verses he’s quoted, and he refuses to believe what Muslims themselves think.

For some reason, Yadda, FD and Moses actually want Muslims radicalised. They refuse to accept the words of Muslims themselves, and they make up words for Muslims to stitch them up.

It’s called Freeeeedom. Google: taqiyya.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #183 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm
 
All the muslims and apologists have to do is explain how the jihadists have got it wrong.

The qur'an is supposed to be the infallible, unerring, never to be changed word of allah.

Every single muslim on earth believes and quotes this pathetic islamic nonsense.

The jihadist is the true muslim, he carries out the commands of allah in the qur'an, to the letter.

While muslims and their apologists incessantly carp on with their lies "it doesn't really mean what it says", "islam is a religion of peace".

What a load of crap.

It means exactly what it says.

Until muslims and their apologists have the decency to denounce the islamic doctrine which generates muslim atrocities, the jihadists will continue their depraved islamic ways.

The silence of muslims and apologists on this issue is moral support for the islamic fundamentalist and the rape, torture and murder he relishes as the true muslim path.   
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #184 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses?   Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness?  You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #185 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 4:33pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm:
All the muslims and apologists have to do is explain how the jihadists have got it wrong.


But we have, Moses. You keep forgetting. Look at all those posts we apologists made.

You want to play this game forever, don't you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #186 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 6:10pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 2:31pm:
For some reason, Yadda, FD and Moses actually want Muslims radicalised. They refuse to accept the words of Muslims themselves, and they make up words for Muslims to stitch them up.


Summed up to a tee.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #187 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 6:21pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 6:10pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 2:31pm:
For some reason, Yadda, FD and Moses actually want Muslims radicalised. They refuse to accept the words of Muslims themselves, and they make up words for Muslims to stitch them up.


Summed up to a tee.


I mean, look at you, G. You're a cunning Muslim who refuses to commit slaughter in the land. FD and Moses say you're far worse than than the head-hackers.

People who disobey orders are a threat to our very way of life.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John_Taverner
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2217
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #188 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 7:31pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
Im sure someone has said it better than me before though.

 


I wouldn't bet on it.
Back to top
 
72+Adelaide+Street  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #189 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 9:22pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
But we have, Moses. You keep forgetting. Look at all those posts we apologists made.

You want to play this game forever, don't you?


Your tired old "it doesn't really mean what it says" is worthless.

When are you going to stop with the lame excuses and address the issue of the commands to torture and murder in the qur'an, which engender the islamic blood lust of the muslim fundamentalist?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #190 - Jul 18th, 2015 at 9:24pm
 

Quote:
........AT least 115 people have been killed and more than 120 wounded by an Islamic State car bomb which was detonated in a market area north of Baghdad.
.....
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #191 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:25am
 
Just in case you missed this, Moses?   Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses?   Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness?  You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #192 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:02pm
 
Just in case you missed this Brian:

Can you tell us how the jihadists misinterpret the following?

qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled[] - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

qur'an 4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

qur'an 9.20: Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's cause are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

qur'an 61.11: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

All of the above teach that killing is the duty of muslims, those who die while carrying out this islamic slaughter will definitely enter paradise. (hence the love of suicide missions for islamic terrorists)

However most importantly the islamic killers who do the actual killing are a grade higher than other muslims.

muhammad even gave himself permission to carry out mass slaughter with the following:

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise

You claim misinterpretation as your excuse for islamic terror, can you explain how jihadists have got the above and many more such verses wrong?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #193 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 2:28pm
 
Just in case you missed this, Moses?   Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses?   Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness?  You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why not answer the question about your own failure to observe what your Saviour said, Moses?   I thought you claimed you were a good Christian?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #194 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
Quote:
I thought you claimed you were a good Christian?


You thought?

Do you have any proof I claimed such a thing?

Are you lying once again?

Why is it impossible for muslims and their apologists to logically show how the muslim fundamentalist is disobeying the qur'an, with his islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #195 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
so you consider yourself a bad christian moses?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #196 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 4:59pm
 
Just in case you missed this, Moses?   Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses?   Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness?  You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why not answer the question about your own failure to observe what your Saviour said, Moses?   I thought you claimed you were a good Christian?    Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #197 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 5:55pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 4:38pm:
Quote:
I thought you claimed you were a good Christian?


You thought?

Do you have any proof I claimed such a thing?

Are you lying once again?

Why is it impossible for muslims and their apologists to logically show how the muslim fundamentalist is disobeying the qur'an, with his islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder?


There’s that memory again, Moses.

Ever thought of getting it checked out?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #198 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
I'm more curious about why moses seems so insensed at the idea that he would think of himself as a good christian.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #199 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
Self righteous hypocrisy is the domain of the muslim and their apologists gandalf.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #200 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
There we have it, muslims and their apologists desperately trying to divert attention away from the fact that muslim fundamentalists committing islamic inspired rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder, are the true believers, the highest grade of muslim, according to the qur'an.

Not one of them can tell us how the jihadist rapists, torturers and mass murderers have got the meaning of the qur'an wrong.

All they can offer is the unmitigated crap:

Its got nothing to do with islam.

islam's a religion of peace.

It doesn't really mean what it says
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #201 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:04pm
 
Fascinating. It’s as if Moses only reads his own posts. He obviously thinks they’re so good, they bear repeating.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #202 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm
 
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.

islam is utterly evil, the excuses of muslims and their apologists are a pathetic display of rotating illogical lies.

The answers to these perpetual lies will always be the same.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #203 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:43pm
 
So, Moses, are you a good Christian, in your eyes or a bad Christian, in your eyes?   Roll Eyes

If you're a bad Christian, explain how/why you are, well, a bad Christian?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #204 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 8:47pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.

islam is utterly evil, the excuses of muslims and their apologists are a pathetic display of rotating illogical lies.

The answers to these perpetual lies will always be the same.


That’s strange, Moses, there’s an entire thread here to discuss lies, but you only want to.talk about Muslims. Here’s a thread on Muslims, and you only want to talk about their apologists’ lies.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #205 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 9:02pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.

islam is utterly evil, the excuses of muslims and their apologists are a pathetic display of rotating illogical lies.

The answers to these perpetual lies will always be the same.


Moses, Assuming you were King, what what you choose to do about the evil that is Islam- with the proviso that you are required to act in accordance with our current constitution?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #206 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 10:12pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 9:02pm:
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.

islam is utterly evil, the excuses of muslims and their apologists are a pathetic display of rotating illogical lies.

The answers to these perpetual lies will always be the same.


Moses, Assuming you were King, what what you choose to do about the evil that is Islam- with the proviso that you are required to act in accordance with our current constitution?



If you are the king, you change the constitution
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #207 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 10:31pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 10:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 9:02pm:
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.

islam is utterly evil, the excuses of muslims and their apologists are a pathetic display of rotating illogical lies.

The answers to these perpetual lies will always be the same.


Moses, Assuming you were King, what what you choose to do about the evil that is Islam- with the proviso that you are required to act in accordance with our current constitution?



If you are the king, you change the constitution


If you have a constitution, you're not an absolute monarch but rule at the dispensation of the constitution...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #208 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:11pm
 
this king changes the rules
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #209 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm
 

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #210 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #211 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:39am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:11pm:
this king changes the rules


This king could end up like Charles I, if he keeps trying to do that, Sprint.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #212 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:40am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


In Australia?  Doubtful.  Overseas, very likely.   I suppose if it was perpetrated by you, perhaps, Sprint, your prediction could come true in Australia...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #213 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 7:44am
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.


The cold hard truth is that sprint et al represents the demographic who most relish the idea of more terrorist attacks.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #214 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



I'm surprised that you support the death of innocents as a tool for political and social change.

This is why I refuse to blame the Quran or Muslim for the acts of violence in there name.

You have managed to say something totally terrorist nutty, without any reference to Islam or the Quran.

Its statements like this that demonstrate that antisocial murderous sentiments are universal, and not confined to the Islamic philosophy.

Thanks for showing that any person regardless of religion can be a terrorist, if they are sufficiently driven to prove their beliefs and unheeding of alternate points of view.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:07pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #215 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:03pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Debating the evilness of islam is a no brainer.


It must be, Moses. You ignore every other post in the "debate" and you repeat the same argument. You've done this for years.

You're right about the no-brainer. A well-trained parrot could do it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #216 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
it obvious islam is evil.
You just need a very limited awareness of what the term "evil" means.
Then you combine that with a limited awareness of Islam.
Then ignore any relationships or information which may imply weakness in your original statements, remember the key to promulgating a debatable assertion is repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.

Never let yourself get bogged down by reality or there is a high risk of your simple streamlined philosophy will have to be expanded to deal with actual human behavior, choices, social pressure etc etc etc

which will make it impossible to make absolutionist statements like
"Islam is Evil"
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #217 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:26pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????



You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #218 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:47pm
 
Quote:
........The school where they teach execution

THEY use soft drink and lollies to turn boys into killers and suicide bombers, teaching them to behead dolls as practice for the real thing. Go inside an ISIS school........
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #219 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:56pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????



You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.


If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.    
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions. 
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.


p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 20th, 2015 at 2:03pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #220 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:06pm
 
There we have it, post after post after post, yet not one of them can explain how the muslim fundamentalists have got it wrong with their islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder.

Just meaningless posts desperately trying to avoid the fact that islam generates and sustains depraved atrocities as the islamic norm.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #221 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:12pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????



You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.


If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.    
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions. 
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.


p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.


The Hilton Bombing? There were no Qurans involved in that one, Pho.

Scared people mightn't ask questions, but they can get quite snippy when you tell them porkies. The Spanish Prime Minister was voted out after the Madrid bombing for suggesting that the attack was done by Basque separatists.

It's hard to imagine a low-level lie like this ensnaring T Abbott.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #222 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:16pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
There we have it, post after post after post, yet not one of them can explain how the muslim fundamentalists have got it wrong with their islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder.


And after each post after post of you saying this, I keep referring you to my earlier post after post.

You could get a robot to make your case, Moses. Why don't you just program a sequence of posts to be repeated ad infinitum. It would save you having to come here to repeat yourself.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #223 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:45pm
 
Your earlier posts all come under the heading of *worn out excuses*.

Not one of you has the balls to call islam and muslims to account for their islamic atrocities.

It's a never ending cry of, Oh OH here it is again:

it's got nuffin to wiv islam.

it doesn't really mean what it says.

islam's a religion of peace

Stand up and be counted Karnal.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #224 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
There we have it, post after post after post, yet not one of them can explain how the muslim fundamentalists have got it wrong with their islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder.

Just meaningless posts desperately trying to avoid the fact that islam generates and sustains depraved atrocities as the islamic norm. 



Can you please direct me to the post where someone not in the extreme-anti-extremist school has stating that rape, torture, terrorism or mass murder is acceptable?
Can you please show me a post that demonstrates our acceptance of any of these actions?
We all agree these things are wrong.  We just believe that it is a personal choice of the perpetrator, not a religious compulsion.

None of the posts I have read condone any of these actions(other than the posts stating that a terrorist attack would be a good thing-which have all been posted by the extreme-anti-extremists)

The point that us moderates?(extreme-antiextremist-antiextremists?) have been making is that Islam is not fundamentally linked with terrorism.
Terrorism has indisputably flourished in many places that had no relationship to Islam.
Northern Ireland, parts of Africa and Papua New Guinea have all experienced mass killings, torture and systematic rape  perpetrated by groups which had zero relationship with any branch of Islam or its followers.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #225 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:11pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????



You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.


If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.    
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions. 
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.


p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.


The Hilton Bombing? There were no Qurans involved in that one, Pho.

Scared people mightn't ask questions, but they can get quite snippy when you tell them porkies. The Spanish Prime Minister was voted out after the Madrid bombing for suggesting that the attack was done by Basque separatists.

It's hard to imagine a low-level lie like this ensnaring T Abbott.


Sorry Karnal, I know that no mention of the Quran was made in the inquest, just saving the Extremists some time by explaining to everyone how it was the Qurans fault anyway.  Grin
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #226 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:15pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:45pm:
Your earlier posts all come under the heading of *worn out excuses*.

Not one of you has the balls to call islam and muslims to account for their islamic atrocities.

It's a never ending cry of, Oh OH here it is again:

it's got nuffin to wiv islam.

it doesn't really mean what it says.

islam's a religion of peace

Stand up and be counted Karnal.


We also present reasoned arguments supported by quantitative analysis of historical events and social trends. You just don't understand them.
If I am not involved in a thread I generally side with the opinion that doesn't rely on quoting religious texts to support their argument.
(I admit I have been guilty of this in the past, its just so hard to resists needling Yadda \)   
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #227 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:37pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:

Quote:
Can you please direct me to the post where someone not in the extreme-anti-extremist school has stating that rape, torture, terrorism or mass murder is acceptable?
Can you please show me a post that demonstrates our acceptance of any of these actions?
We all agree these things are wrong.  We just believe that it is a personal choice of the perpetrator, not a religious compulsion.

None of the posts I have read condone any of these actions(other than the posts stating that a terrorist attack would be a good thing-which have all been posted by the extreme-anti-extremists)

The point that us moderates?(extreme-antiextremist-antiextremists?) have been making is that Islam is not fundamentally linked with terrorism.
Terrorism has indisputably flourished in many places that had no relationship to Islam.
Northern Ireland, parts of Africa and Papua New Guinea have all experienced mass killings, torture and systematic rape  perpetrated by groups which had zero relationship with any branch of Islam or its followers.


You just answered your own question.

You simply lack what it takes to hold islam / muslims accountable for the doctrinal commands, teachings and verses which breed and feed islamic atrocities.

You run off on any other tangent you can, in order to divert attention away from the perpetual heinousness muslims commit in order to conform with islamic tenets.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #228 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.

Your argument really is no more than this: "anyone who doesn't accept my interpretation of Islamic text is a liar and/or apologist for mass murder."

Is it possible at all for you to look at that argument of yours with objective eyes and understand how absurd it is?

Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #229 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:59pm
 
Gandalf wrote: Quote:
Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.


You accept the doctrine which motivates  depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered. 

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #230 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:01pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:45pm:
Not one of you has the balls to call islam and muslims to account for their islamic atrocities.


Your courage in using the internet to anonymously blame a religious minority for all the evil in the world is to be commended.

I guess what I lack is the ability to hang on to point of view regardless of presented evidence disproving me opinion. I guess that would be my proudest shortcoming then!

Its true I don't hold all Moslems accountable for practicing a religion which has interpretations i personally disagree with.
Ive seen the way people have interpreted the bible now and in the past, and the reprehensible actions that have followed.

I Don't blame Christianity or the bible, I blame those who perpetrated the actions, I blame those who enable such an interpretation to become widespread.
People who disseminate interpretations of any religious doctrine in way which encourages violent behavior should be debated and silenced by reason, and all people should attempt to maintain a society that encourages such reasoning.
Freedom of speech and opinion are the bed rock of such a society, and cannot be removed without damaging the fabric of a society.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #231 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
More tangents to avoid the one unalterable fact: muslim fundamentalists commit the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man, because islamic doctrine demands it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #232 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:29pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:59pm:
Gandalf wrote: Quote:
Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.


You accept the doctrine which motivates  depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered. 


No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #233 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:47pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 12:14am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.



You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????



You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.


If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.    
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions. 
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.


p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.


The Hilton Bombing? There were no Qurans involved in that one, Pho.

Scared people mightn't ask questions, but they can get quite snippy when you tell them porkies. The Spanish Prime Minister was voted out after the Madrid bombing for suggesting that the attack was done by Basque separatists.

It's hard to imagine a low-level lie like this ensnaring T Abbott.


Sorry Karnal, I know that no mention of the Quran was made in the inquest, just saving the Extremists some time by explaining to everyone how it was the Qurans fault anyway.  Grin


Oh, don’t worry about that, Pho. The old boy already suggested the Ananda Marga was a Muslim terror cell.

I couldn’t get Tim Anderson’s innocence through to him, never mind the fact that Ananda Marga was an Indian meditation group.

He also confused Justice Armenians for the Turkish Genocide who bombed the Turkish Consulate carpark with a Kurdish Muslim terrorist group. It’s an easy mistake to make.

Your suggestion is completely above board. Any mention otherwise is known here as spineless apologism.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #234 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:17pm:
More tangents to avoid the one unalterable fact: muslim fundamentalists commit the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man, because islamic doctrine demands it.


And Christians don't?   Religion justifies the unjustifiable, Moses.  Doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Christians or Buddhists or Hindus.   It can also be used to justify the most wondrous things.  Your problem is that your religion blinds you to anything like that in any other religion.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:17am by Brian Ross »  

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #235 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 11:40pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Quote:
........The school where they teach execution

THEY use soft drink and lollies to turn boys into killers and suicide bombers, teaching them to behead dolls as practice for the real thing. Go inside an ISIS school........



yesterdays Islamic contribution to the globe
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #236 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:01am
 

Quote:
..........At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border
....


todays islamic contribution to the globe

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #237 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #238 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:46am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


Kill them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #239 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 9:44am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument.

Are you saying that Moslem's are inseparable from ISIS members?

Please Sprint, avail me of your encyclopedic knowledge of the Quran and Islamic culture to inform me how ISIS obeys the Islamic tenants while murdering other Muslims?

Its obviously a coincidence that ISIS support it split along Shiite/sunni tribal lines, and that most of their violence is directed at other Moslems.

It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.

did i miss or confuse any of your points?   

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #240 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 10:16am
 

Pho Huc - I have no interest in sarcastic comments.

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #241 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 10:26am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 10:16am:
Pho Huc - I have no interest in sarcastic comments.



Ban them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #242 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 10:41am
 
I have made no sarcastic comments.
I assume(because you have not clarified) that you are talking about my interpretation of your stance in this debate?

If so, let me assure you that i am not being sarcastic. That is 100% my interpretation of your point of view.
Do you have a problem with any of my interpretations? If so, please explain where i have been mistaken.

cheers! Smiley
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #243 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 11:24am
 
Sprint is evolving his evasions.

He knows he can't simply ignore you because he will have to face up to his own charge that question-dodgers are muslims.

So he now makes sure there is a response to a question - but ensures he doesn't have to actually answer it. Expect all sorts of creative excuses to avoid answering your questions.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #244 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:37pm
 
gandalf wrote: Reply #232 - Yesterday at 5:29pm
Quote:
Quote:
moses wrote:

You accept the doctrine which motivates  depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.
 

Quote:
gandalf wrote:

No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.


terrorism noun: The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

islamic terrorism = religious terrorism based on islamic ideology.

The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically, by the many commands, teachings and verses which urge torture and mass murder as the righteous path for muslims to make them a grade higher than other muslims.

Giving credence to the said tenets, by definition, gives credence to the actual atrocities.

This view, which is a logical conclusion to draw from the said terrorism and doctrine, is rapidly sweeping around the globe, people are sick and tired of the lies and violence, that islam perpetuates.

 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #245 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:47pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:37pm:
gandalf wrote: Reply #232 - Yesterday at 5:29pm
Quote:
Quote:
moses wrote:

You accept the doctrine which motivates  depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.
 

Quote:
gandalf wrote:

No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.



The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically, by the many commands, teachings and verses which urge torture and mass murder as the righteous path for muslims to make them a grade higher than other muslims.


 


Not a bad post Moses, at least you are kinda rewriting your argument as opposed to just repeating it, and i appreciate that.

I did get a bit confused by the emotional and physical bondage to religious dogma connection, could you possible expand/clarify that particular point for my edification?   
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #246 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:51pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 9:44am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument.

Are you saying that Moslem's are inseparable from ISIS members?

Please Sprint, avail me of your encyclopedic knowledge of the Quran and Islamic culture to inform me how ISIS obeys the Islamic tenants while murdering other Muslims?

Its obviously a coincidence that ISIS support it split along Shiite/sunni tribal lines, and that most of their violence is directed at other Moslems.

It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.

did i miss or confuse any of your points?   




Quote:
............Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument......


if that were the case, you would not have said another word.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #247 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:03pm
 
Ok, I admit i may have exaggerated your strength in reasoned argument,
But sarcasm? thems fighting words ! Wink

Any chance you could answer one of the multiple salient on topic questions I posted then instead of focusing on a single tongue in cheek irrelevant statement?

Especially when you first post indicated a lack of interest in such a statement.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #248 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:12pm
 

Quote:
..........It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.........


I am not interested in sarcasm.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #249 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:24pm
 
see what I mean pho?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #250 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 12:37pm:
Giving credence to the said tenets, by definition, gives credence to the actual atrocities.


Only if your assumption about me accepting the same interpretation of said tenets as you is true - which it is not. But I feel I've laboured this point to death already - oh yeah, thats because I have.

Have you ever heard of a logical fallacy moses?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #251 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:41pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Quote:
..........It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.........


I am not interested in sarcasm.


For someone who has no interest in sarcasm you do seem to fixate on it. 

Maybe because its easier to divert attention away from my questions than it is to answer them?

I have never heard you, Yadda Sprint or anyone else in the gang acknowledge that extreme Islamist's may be influenced by anything other than your personal interpretation of islam. (I say your personal interpretation because none of you have ever admitted to having any actual personal experience with Moslems, other than Gandalf who you call a liar because he disagrees with your point of view) Huh 

You never reference social pressures, political climates or ethnic divisions.

Your focus on this issue is myopic and ignores so many parts of the complex causal issues related to this subject that it detracts from your ability to create a reasoned balanced line of reason.

but rather than change topic, can someone in the other camp please confirm or address your points of view previously listed.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #252 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:56pm
 
Pho Huc wrote: Quote:
I did get a bit confused by the emotional and physical bondage to religious dogma connection, could you possible expand/clarify that particular point for my edification?


i don't think i can make it any plainer: The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically,


islamic terrorism, islamic ideology: one and the same, bonded emotionally and physically, inextricably linked, you get the drift I'm sure.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #253 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
Only if your assumption about me accepting the same interpretation of said tenets as you is true - which it is not. But I feel I've laboured this point to death already - oh yeah, thats because I have.

Have you ever heard of a logical fallacy moses?


Or in other words, "it doesn't really mean what it says"

Well, your excuse is no longer accepted around the globe .

The actions of muslims world wide refute your claims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #254 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
I think they are a fair summary of his beliefs pho. In the case of moses you could probably remove "...or bad muslims" -we're all just liars.

But one thing is for sure - sprint, moses et al are absolutely determined to ensure that muslims who advocate peace and condemn terrorism are prevented from making a positive contribution to this debate.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #255 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm
 
muslims from all social spheres become extremist.
Poor, rich, intelligent, stupid, educated, uneducated, white, black.

Often their own family say "I never thought he would do that..........."

The common denominator is their adherance to islam.


moh was  a self-proclaimed spiritualist who have about 11 wives as well as many sex slaves.
He murdered 100's of people and had about 6 assassainated for political reasons.

he was not mentioned in the bible. He had a sketchy knowledge of it from what he heard from the jews.



I hate islam.

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #256 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:02pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:57pm:
The actions of muslims world wide refute your claims.


The actions of muslims world wide support my claims.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #257 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:05pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:56pm:
Pho Huc wrote: Quote:
I did get a bit confused by the emotional and physical bondage to religious dogma connection, could you possible expand/clarify that particular point for my edification?


i don't think i can make it any plainer: The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically,


islamic terrorism, islamic ideology: one and the same, bonded emotionally and physically, inextricably linked, you get the drift I'm sure.


repeating the same statement doesn't impart extra meaning unfortunately. 
To give you an example of the sort of information i'm trying to find out ill be more clear.

How do you personally reconcile the clear Islamic prohibition of murder with intrinsic terrorism?

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #258 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:13pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm:
muslims from all social spheres become extremist.
Poor, rich, intelligent, stupid, educated, uneducated, white, black.

Often their own family say "I never thought he would do that..........."

The common denominator is their adherance to islam.


moh was  a self-proclaimed spiritualist who have about 11 wives as well as many sex slaves.
He murdered 100's of people and had about 6 assassainated for political reasons.

he was not mentioned in the bible. He had a sketchy knowledge of it from what he heard from the jews.



I hate islam.




They all ate tomato's too.

little known facts about tomato's

100% of serial killers and child sex offenders have eaten tomatoes.

At speeds of more than 200m/s tomatoes become lethal objects in them selves.

Any person immersed them in a liquidized tomato solution for more than five minutes will suffer cardio-respiratory failure and expire.

Tomato's are self seeding and aggressive plants able to colonize environments that defeat many less lethal vegetables.

So i guess it Islam and Tomatoes then Cool



what about the 99.9% who eat tomatoes and dont do anything bad?
obviously they are biding their time, the truth is obvious to those who can see!
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #259 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:14pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
How do you personally reconcile the clear Islamic prohibition of murder with intrinsic terrorism?


islamic prohibition of murder?

A few more details please.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #260 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:18pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:14pm:
islamic prohibition of murder?

A few more details please.


1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.

3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.

5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”

7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.

8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]

10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.

Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.

When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:
5:82. ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”
So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love” to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-


That get you sorted?
now that you know what the Quran says, maybe now you will answer my question?

I would have thought that someone with opinions as strong as yours would know all this already, otherwise you may end up with a opinion not based entirely on the available evidence
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #261 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”


Its funny that the qur'an makes no mention of killing being carried by the state alone. It actually says that muslims are to carry out the killings, they are to slay and be slain in the cause of allah.

Your reference to qur'an 5.53 is mistaken, I think you are referring to: qur'an 5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading corruption in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

It's clearly telling muslims they may kill people who spread corruption in the land.

The qur'an then goes on to say:

qur'an 5.33 The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for corruption through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Once again the qur'an explicitly tells muslims to torture and murder people who spread corruption.

The qur'an is also unequivocal when it comes to describing corrupters.

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not. [/quote]

People who say they are believers, but are not believers (hypocrites), they are corrupters. islam preaches that muslims are to torture and murder hypocrites / corrupters.

As for the rest of your post, there are innumerable verses which directly urge muslims to be jihadist killers as the true path to paradise. To kill unbelievers until all religion is for allah etc.etc.

Motivation for islamic jihadists is found in the doctrine of: jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #262 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm
 

Quote:
...............The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” ......


moh beheaded 100's of jews in one day because they would not become muzzies.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #263 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
moh said a man is allowed 'only' 4 wives

he had about 11.

how many husbands is a wife 'allowed'?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #264 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
since I do not read Arabic I am forced to rely on the translated interpretations provided to me by those who study islam.

Do you read Arabic Moses?

Not trying to be a smart arse but as many from both sides of this thread acknowledge the Quran is not the most accessible book in the world, particularly when subjected to a literal translation. 

Where are you getting your interpretations of the Quran from?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:06pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #265 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:08pm
 
I own a qur'an and read it in order to verify everything I see on the net.

There are many sites where the English translation is available.

In 2015 the qur'an is very easily translated.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #266 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:22pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:08pm:
I own a qur'an and read it in order to verify everything I see on the net.

There are many sites where the English translation is available.

In 2015 the qur'an is very easily translated.


Translation and interpretation are often very closely linked-have a look at the Chinese catholic bible after being re-tranlated to English-LOL

The act of translation alters the meaning, especially if done literally with no regard for context. This is doubly so for historical texts which h suffer from "meaning drift"(i just made that up  Grin) as language changes over time.

e.g 1915- I want my children to be gay
      2015- I want my children to be gay.

Same words, completely different meaning. now multiply the age difference by 60, throw in multiple translations and interpret in a context not envisioned when the text was written.
This is why I think basing your opinions on google searches may create the potential for error in interpretation.

If your not sure you could ask your local Imam what the modern interpretation of a text was, but only if you wanted to learn something, not support an existing point of view.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #267 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:37pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:48pm:
there are innumerable verses which directly urge muslims to be jihadist killers as the true path to paradise.


Moses please quote one of these "innumerable" verses - specific reference to how being a killer is the path to paradise please.

I wonder if any of them trump this verse about the path to paradise:

By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

Quran 5:16
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #268 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:55pm
 
qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled- and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -



qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #269 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm
 
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95

Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #270 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:06pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:46am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


Kill them.

No need. They are doing it themselves - 3000 killed in the latest Ramadan Bombathon.

Can you match that, kuffar??

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #271 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:15am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95



Ah. Strangely enough, Abu said exactly the same thing. Now watch Moses tear this down as a blatant porkie.

It doesn’t mean what it says. Islam is the religion of peace. Sometimes a question is just a question.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #272 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95




You go tell them.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #273 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:38am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95




You go tell them.


Tell them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #274 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 1:22pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:38am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95




You go tell them.


Tell them.



Im confused, are Sprint and Karnal stating that no other moslems are aware of the meaning of mujahideen and that it is gandalfs responsibility to inform them?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #275 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm
 
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #276 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:22pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:48pm:
there are innumerable verses which directly urge muslims to be jihadist killers as the true path to paradise. To kill unbelievers until all religion is for allah etc.etc.


....

moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:55pm:
qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled- and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -



qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.


4:95 - already dealt with.

As for 9:111: lets just review the actual claim of moses' that he is trying to support with this verse:

verses which directly urge muslims to be jihadist killers as the true path to paradise.

This verse does indeed describe a transaction - a necessary 'cost' the muslim must pay before they can enter paradise. But that transaction does not involve being killers - the actual transaction is described in the first line - "Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs". The price for admission into heaven, is to hand over possession of their selves and their wealth to God. It is understood at the metaphysical level - muslims must accept in their hearts that ownership of their soul and their earthly possessions does not belong to them, but to God. That is the transaction. The rest of the verse merely describes just one way in which that fully submitted muslim behaves - "to fight in the way of Allah" - and yes, this is fighting in the literal sense - as the root word meaning physical fighting (q-t-l) is used. But what is "fighting in the way of Allah"? The Quran clearly describes the limitations for fighters: don't transgress limits, don't be the aggressor, always accept an offer of peace, treat prisoners humanely and free/exchange them at the first opportunity. After this, the seemingly terrifying words "slay and be slain" is simply stating the obvious: muslims have already been given permission to fight in self-defense, so of course when this happens - people die - no great revelation there.

The truth is, when read with a proper understanding of the underpinning Quranic philosophy, the true meaning of 9:111 is actually the very opposite of moses's extremely shallow interpretation. True submission to Islam is by its very definition 'peace' - as verse 5:16 highlights (a verse that funnily enough you will never see moses citing). And verse 9:111 is describing true submission.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #277 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


Gandalf probably doesn't associate much with islamic extremists. he would have to know 1000 moslems before it was statistically probable he would meet one extremists.

Gandalf has asserted that this is the position of the majority of Moslems on this verse, given he is the only Moslem contributing you pretty much have to take his word for it(though it is supported quantifiably by the vast majority of Moslems not being terrorists or jihadis)

Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #278 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions
.



as I said
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #279 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:33pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions
.



as I said


But it may change your opinion of the majority of moslems who are not extremists, and changing your opinion will lower the hate level marginally.

anyway, cede the point or provide more verse.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3928
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #280 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:41pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.


Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long. 

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not. 

Other muslims do not agree, and  have demonstrated  that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt  your earnest discussions and learned debate.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #281 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:11pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.


Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long. 



We do, with reason and logic.
If you cant compete on this playing field go draw yourself up cute little poster and join a protest somewhere.

I welcome new points or view or information that may change peoples existing points of view. your post contains neither.


Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #282 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:12pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


these are the actions that expose islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #283 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:15pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.


Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long. 

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not. 

Other muslims do not agree, and  have demonstrated  that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt  your earnest discussions and learned debate.   Roll Eyes


hi secret - I thought your entire posting should be used, instead of the lying edited one used in the typical islamic style.

I hate islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #284 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:12pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:02am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?



Quote:
At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide ­attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian ­border


I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult


these are the actions that expose islam


Still waiting for those innumerable verses you mentioned, or an admission that you cant produce such information.


Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #285 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:22pm
 

How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #286 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:24pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:15pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.


Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long. 

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not. 

Other muslims do not agree, and  have demonstrated  that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt  your earnest discussions and learned debate.   Roll Eyes


hi secret - I thought your entire posting should be used, instead of the lying edited one used in the typical islamic style.

I hate islam


still waiting for a constructive statement from the opposed.

Why do you feel compelled to use such emotive language? are you unable to compile enough quantifiable information to support your position and thus are reduced to personal attacks and deflection?

We never asked you to quote the Quran, not until you made a regarding its contents. we have repeatedly asked you back up your assertion and you have failed. thus im proceding to a new point.

Will hating Islam improve the life on non-islamists?

go, its a nice wide open question, lots of space to run. please don't let me down with more reposts and insults-i have faith in my fellow man Smiley 

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #287 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:34pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:22pm:
How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?


none. your point?

are you claiming to understand all potential possibilities for what would have occurred over the past 1500 years if you changed one major thing?

Here is your homework-
Watch back to future. learn about causality, come back here and delete your post. It sounds witty but your flippantly proposing messing with the course of human social evolution.
No-one can know what would happen now if you changed the past, nor whether the present would be better or worse.


so, again how does it improve the lot of Non-islamist's hating Islam?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:43pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #288 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:34pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:22pm:
How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?


none. your point?

are you claiming to understand all potential possibilities for what would have occurred over the past 1500 years if you changed one major thing?

Here is your homework-
Watch back to future. learn about causality, come back here and delete your post. It sounds witty but your flippantly proposing messing with the course of human social evolution.
No-one can know what would happen now if you changed the past, nor whether the present would be better or worse.


so, again how does it improve the lot of Non-islamist's hating Islam?



Good on you Pho. Well answered.

None.

If there had been no Moh, there would have been no islamic terrorism.

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #289 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated.

Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse.

what is it?

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:56pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #290 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:46pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:23pm:
I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated.

Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse.

what is it?



I believe islam is a fraudulent oppressive cult.
It offers no freedom or spirituality.
It's almost the opposite of what the Bible stands for.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #291 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:51pm
 
Lips SealedPho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 1:22pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:38am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95




You go tell them.


Tell them.



Im confused, are Sprint and Karnal stating that no other moslems are aware of the meaning of mujahideen and that it is gandalfs responsibility to inform them? 


No no, it’s Gandalf’s responsibility to inform them of the evils of Islam and join Sprint’s campaign to ban them and hate them.

We all know they can’t be told. They must be banned and hated.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:00pm by Big Donger »  
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #292 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:15pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.


Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long. 

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not. 

Other muslims do not agree, and  have demonstrated  that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt  your earnest discussions and learned debate.   Roll Eyes


hi secret - I thought your entire posting should be used, instead of the lying edited one used in the typical islamic style.

I hate islam


Jesus saves.

Hate them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #293 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #294 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:06pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:46pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:23pm:
I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated.

Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse.

what is it?



I believe islam is a fraudulent oppressive cult.
It offers no freedom or spirituality.
It's almost the opposite of what the Bible stands for.


I respect your right to all these beliefs, even if i dispute the reasoning behind them.

Why do you choose to hate them though? what benefit does it bring to you.

I choose to love because it enables me to accept other people regardless of race or orientation. The world is a better place when you are surrounded by people you love than when surrounded by people you hate. I perceive my attitude as making the world a better place, if only for me and from my perspective. Thats why I have my position.

So why do you choose hate?

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #295 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


This.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #296 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?

the muzzies in aussie have no idea and won't even have dinner with the coppers .

I hate islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #297 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:
what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?


How about promote a more tolerant and peaceful version of Islam, and not have our message undermined at every step by people like you and moses who insist that we are liars?

You insist that we have to stop the terrorists - yet when we try and do just that, we get howled down for perpetuating a "false" version of Islam.

Its as if you really want us all to be radicals.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #298 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:47pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?



First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #299 - Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:56pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:47pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?



First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?


Sprint doesn’t answer questions like that, Pho. He’s too modest.

Sprint is a born-again Christian. It’s his religion to hate.

You know, like the Muselman.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #300 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:47pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?



First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?


I don't choose to hate.
I hate cults that give rise to terrorists.
I hate beliefs that bind people.

I hate islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #301 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:48am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:47pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:
gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'


I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning. 
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.


How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.


what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?



First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?


I don't choose to hate.
I hate cults that give rise to terrorists.
I hate beliefs that bind people.

I hate islam



Your trapped in a catch 22 sprint. So long as you hate you will be unable to clearly perceive reality. You are blinded by your own beliefs while espousing a hatred for beliefs which blind.

I can understand an intellectual distrust of Islam. I can understand a hatred of an individual Moslem(assuming they have hurt you and you have not been able to forgive). I don't understand how you can hate a concept as diffuse and varied as a whole religion. Love and hate or two sides of the same coin, built on intimacy and trust- Did you get dumped by a nice Moslem boy/girl?
Has anything bad ever happened to you due to Islam?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #302 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:56am
 
Pho Huc wrote Reply #266 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:22pm:
Quote:
Translation and interpretation are often very closely linked-have a look at the Chinese catholic bible after being re-tranlated to English-LOL

The act of translation alters the meaning, especially if done literally with no regard for context. This is doubly so for historical texts which h suffer from "meaning drift"(i just made that up  Grin) as language changes over time.

e.g 1915- I want my children to be gay
      2015- I want my children to be gay.

Same words, completely different meaning. now multiply the age difference by 60, throw in multiple translations and interpret in a context not envisioned when the text was written.
This is why I think basing your opinions on google searches may create the potential for error in interpretation.

If your not sure you could ask your local Imam what the modern interpretation of a text was, but only if you wanted to learn something, not support an existing point of view.


It's amazing how muslims and their apologists engage in all sorts of illogical excuses for, and distortions of, the actual written words of islam.

muslims around the globe have engaged in the torture and slaughter of terrified human beings while whipping themselves into a religious frenzy shouting the death cult chant *allahu akbar*. 

muslims have murdered people for apostasy, blasphemy, differing religious beliefs, homosexuality, family honour, education of the female, speeches by world leaders, comments at a beauty pageant, books they don't agree with, the list goes on and on.

muslims are subject to world wide security operations.

The old *it means something else* is pure nonsense. muslims torture and kill because islam demands it of them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #303 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:57am
 
gandalf wrote Reply #269 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Quote:
4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95


&

Reply #276 - Yesterday at 2:22pm:

This verse does indeed describe a transaction - a necessary 'cost' the muslim must pay before they can enter paradise. But that transaction does not involve being killers - the actual transaction is described in the first line - "Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs". The price for admission into heaven, is to hand over possession of their selves and their wealth to God. It is understood at the metaphysical level - muslims must accept in their hearts that ownership of their soul and their earthly possessions does not belong to them, but to God. That is the transaction. The rest of the verse merely describes just one way in which that fully submitted muslim behaves - "to fight in the way of Allah" - and yes, this is fighting in the literal sense - as the root word meaning physical fighting (q-t-l) is used. But what is "fighting in the way of Allah"? The Quran clearly describes the limitations for fighters: don't transgress limits, don't be the aggressor, always accept an offer of peace, treat prisoners humanely and free/exchange them at the first opportunity. After this, the seemingly terrifying words "slay and be slain" is simply stating the obvious: muslims have already been given permission to fight in self-defense, so of course when this happens - people die - no great revelation there.

The truth is, when read with a proper understanding of the underpinning Quranic philosophy, the true meaning of 9:111 is actually the very opposite of moses's extremely shallow interpretation. True submission to Islam is by its very definition 'peace' - as verse 5:16 highlights (a verse that funnily enough you will never see moses citing). And verse 9:111 is describing true submission.


My answer to Pho Huc covers your excuse as well Gandalf.

Tedious excuses and distortions of what is actually written.

A dishonest attempt at shirking responsibility for the rape torture and murder, incessantly carried out by muslims in accordance with islamic doctrine.

You have the problem gandalf, dishonest self-justification and literary contortions will never solve the islamic dilemma.

The only answer is the truth. islam has to cleaned up, you yourself have acknowledged that cleaning up the depravity means renouncing your religion. (you are fully aware that you can't denounce the violence without destroying islam). So you make illogical excuses and distortions of the qur'an.

Again that's a muslim problem, because of the pathetic infallibility and perfection of the qur'an doctrine.

Your stuck with it Gandalf and you choose to let people die, rather than be honest about islam.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #304 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:04pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:56am:
Pho Huc wrote Reply #266 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 3:22pm:
Quote:
Translation and interpretation are often very closely linked-have a look at the Chinese catholic bible after being re-tranlated to English-LOL

The act of translation alters the meaning, especially if done literally with no regard for context. This is doubly so for historical texts which h suffer from "meaning drift"(i just made that up  Grin) as language changes over time.

e.g 1915- I want my children to be gay
      2015- I want my children to be gay.

Same words, completely different meaning. now multiply the age difference by 60, throw in multiple translations and interpret in a context not envisioned when the text was written.
This is why I think basing your opinions on google searches may create the potential for error in interpretation.

If your not sure you could ask your local Imam what the modern interpretation of a text was, but only if you wanted to learn something, not support an existing point of view.


It's amazing how muslims and their apologists engage in all sorts of illogical excuses for, and distortions of, the actual written words of islam.

muslims around the globe have engaged in the torture and slaughter of terrified human beings while whipping themselves into a religious frenzy shouting the death cult chant *allahu akbar*. 

muslims have murdered people for apostasy, blasphemy, differing religious beliefs, homosexuality, family honour, education of the female, speeches by world leaders, comments at a beauty pageant, books they don't agree with, the list goes on and on.

muslims are subject to world wide security operations.

The old *it means something else* is pure nonsense. muslims torture and kill because islam demands it of them.



You have stated that I have made an error of logic in my statement. please show me where so I can be corrected.

You have not rebutted my statement other than positing a logical error, If you cannot identify the error then please cede the point (Quranic Translation) and move the debate along.

I personally would recommend not using the Quran as a basis for your arguments due to your lack of knowledge of the structure of Arabic language. You don't know enough to know when you are right or wrong which can be tedious for the opposing party to argue. not only to we have to argue the point, We also have to explain the meaning of phrases, and that's just too bloody much work Wink      

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:11pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #305 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm
 
Moses do you believe there is a constructive role to be played by peaceful muslims who condemn terrorism - in arguing a peaceful and tolerant version of Islamic doctrine?

Just a simple yes or no please.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #306 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:35pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:

Quote:
You have stated that I have made an error of logic in my statement. please show me where so I can be corrected.

You have not rebutted my statement other than positing a logical error, If you cannot identify the error then please cede the point (Quranic Translation) and move the debate along.

I personally would recommend not using the Quran as a basis for your arguments due to your lack of knowledge of the structure of Arabic language. You don't know enough to know when you are right or wrong which can be tedious for the opposing party to argue. not only to we have to argue the point, We also have to explain the meaning of phrases, and that's just too bloody much work


You entire position is based on illogical error. You continuously evade the real cause / mnotivation of islamic atrocities E.G.: the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #307 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:37pm
 
gandalf wrote:
Quote:
Moses do you believe there is a constructive role to be played by peaceful muslims who condemn terrorism - in arguing a peaceful and tolerant version of Islamic doctrine?

Just a simple yes or no please.


Impossible to play a constructive role without addressing the motive behind islamic terrorism.

As I said above (dishonest self-justification and literary contortions will never solve the islamic dilemma)
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #308 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
They do address it - an incorrect interpretation of Islamic doctrine.

For people who genuinely have this peaceful and tolerant interpretation of Islam, you are literally demanding that they abandon their beliefs.

How do you think that will work out moses? Well we all know the answer - you don't want it to work out. You are not interested in a solution - only forcing yourself into a position where your continued hatred of muslims is guaranteed.

Moses will you at least admit that all your talk about "what muslims must do" is a complete sham - since their is literally nothing that muslims can do in your book without turning themselves into non-muslims?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #309 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:53pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Moses do you believe there is a constructive role to be played by peaceful muslims who condemn terrorism - in arguing a peaceful and tolerant version of Islamic doctrine?

Just a simple yes or no please.



yes, if it stops terrorist attacks and the oppressive nature of islam.

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #310 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:56pm
 


Watch out for false prophets.
They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

What fruit does islam produce ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #311 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:04pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:35pm:
Pho Huc wrote:

Quote:
You have stated that I have made an error of logic in my statement. please show me where so I can be corrected.

You have not rebutted my statement other than positing a logical error, If you cannot identify the error then please cede the point (Quranic Translation) and move the debate along.

I personally would recommend not using the Quran as a basis for your arguments due to your lack of knowledge of the structure of Arabic language. You don't know enough to know when you are right or wrong which can be tedious for the opposing party to argue. not only to we have to argue the point, We also have to explain the meaning of phrases, and that's just too bloody much work


You entire position is based on illogical error. You continuously evade the real cause / motivation of islamic atrocities E.G.: the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an.


Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment. 
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #312 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:20pm
 
oh moses has logic Phu - it goes like this:

- his interpretation of Islam is supported by the small number of extremists who carry out terrorist acts
- the existence of these terrorist acts is proof that his interpretation is the only legitimate interpretation.

See any flaws?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #313 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:07pm
 
Pho - Quote:
.........Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue. .........


1st islamic terrorist attack in Australia was over 100 years ago.

At broken hill .

google it, do not believe me.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #314 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:28pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:07pm:
Pho - Quote:
.........Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue. .........


1st islamic terrorist attack in Australia was over 100 years ago.

At broken hill .

google it, do not believe me.


"Notable events involving Australian Muslims during this early period include what has been described either as an act of war by the Ottoman Empire, or the earliest terrorist attack planned against Australian civilians"

Ill be generous and agree that it was a terror attack and that whole world war 1 thing was a coincidence. 
anyway facts not opinions:

excerpt from terrorism incidents in Australia
Broken Hill shooting (1915)[edit]
The Battle of Broken Hill was a fatal incident which took place near Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia on 1 January 1915. Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more, before being killed by police and military officers. Though politically and religiously motivated, the men were not members of any sanctioned armed force and the attacks were criminal. The two men were later identified as being Moslems from the British colony of India, modern day Pakistan (some sources incorrectly identify them as Turkish).[4]

Ustaše attacks (1970s)[edit]
An Croatian Ustaše group was active in Australia and was responsible for a number of terror acts in Australia occurring in the 1970s.[5][6]

Yugoslav travel agency bombing (1972)[edit]
The Sydney Yugoslav General Trade and Tourist Agency bombing occurred in Haymarket, Sydney on 16 September 1972; the attack injured sixteen people.[7] The perpetrators of the attack were believed to be Croatian separatists.[8]

Sydney Hilton bombing (1978)[edit]
The Sydney Hilton Hotel bombing occurred on 13 February 1978; a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel in Sydney, which was hosting the first Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting. Two garbage collectors and a police officer were killed and eleven others were injured. As a result of the bombing, ASIO's powers and budget were greatly expanded. It was also a motivation for the formation of the Australian Federal Police.[9]

Sydney Turkish Consul General assassination (1980)[edit]
On 17 December 1980, Sydney Turkish Consul General Şarık Arıyak and his security attaché Engin Sever were assassinated by two people on motorcycles wielding firearms in Sydney. The Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide claimed responsibility

Jack Van Tongeran and the ANM (1980s, 2004)[edit]
Throughout the 1980s, West Australian Neo-Nazi group "The Australian Nationalist Movement", led by Jack van Tongeren, engaged in a series of bombings of Asian restaurants and businesses, political violence, murder of a suspected

Israeli consulate and Hakoah Club bombing (1982)[edit]
The bombing of the Israeli Consulate and Hakoah Club in Sydney occurred on 23 December 1982. The two bombings occurred on the same day within five hours of each other.

Melbourne police station bombing (1986)[edit]
On the 27 March 1986, a bombing occurred at the Russell Street Police Station in Melbourne. The blast seriously injured 21-year-old Constable Angela Taylor, who died on 20 April.[16]

Turkish consulate bombing (1986)[edit]
The Melbourne Turkish consulate bombing occurred on 23 November 1986; a car bomb exploded in a carpark beneath the Turkish Consulate in South Yarra, Victoria, killing the bomber who failed to correctly set up the explosive device. Levon Demirian, a Sydney resident with links to the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, was charged over the attack and served 10 years.[17]

Perth French Consulate bombing (1995)[edit]
In 1995, terrorists firebombed the French Consulate in Perth.[18]

Abortion clinic attack (2001)[edit]
Main article: Peter James Knight
On 16 July 2001, Peter James Knight, described as an "obsessive anti-abortionist" who lived alone in a makeshift ca

Endeavour Hills stabbings (2014)[edit]
Main article: 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings
On 23 September 2014 an 18-year-old man,


12 terrorist incidents in Australian history.
2 by moslems,
2 by christians(armenians)
2 by right wing political groups.
2 by Croatians
3 by assorted nutters
1 by the government.

These are the logical conclusions based on factual data:
Moslems, Christians,Croatians and right wing extremists are all equally likely to perpetrate a terrorist action.

The most probable person to commit a terrorist action is a lone nutcase.   

The most efficient killer is our own government( 1 bomb 3 dead)

Thanks for the pointer Sprint, really helped me to dig up some quantitative evidence of terrorism in Australia.

After reading this how do you manage to infer that Moslem's are the biggest terror threat without abandoning all pretense of logic?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:37pm by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #315 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:32pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:
12 terrorist incidents in Australian history.
2 by moslems,
2 by christians(armenians)
2 by right wing political groups.
2 by Croatians
3 by assorted nutters
1 by the government.

These are the logical conclusions based on factual data:
Moslems, Christians,Croatians and right wing extremists are all equally likely to perpetrate a terrorist action.




But only ONE of them calls itself a religion of peace.


Credibility?

Zero.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #316 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:32pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:
12 terrorist incidents in Australian history.
2 by moslems,
2 by christians(armenians)
2 by right wing political groups.
2 by Croatians
3 by assorted nutters
1 by the government.

These are the logical conclusions based on factual data:
Moslems, Christians,Croatians and right wing extremists are all equally likely to perpetrate a terrorist action.




But only ONE of them calls itself a religion of peace.


Credibility?

Zero.




Christianity also considers itself a religion of peace.

Do you state the Christianity also has zero credibility because a small minority of Christians have committed terrorist offences? 

I think that would be bad reasoning. but its the position you would have to hold to be consistent.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #317 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:03pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:32pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:
12 terrorist incidents in Australian history.
2 by moslems,
2 by christians(armenians)
2 by right wing political groups.
2 by Croatians
3 by assorted nutters
1 by the government.

These are the logical conclusions based on factual data:
Moslems, Christians,Croatians and right wing extremists are all equally likely to perpetrate a terrorist action.




But only ONE of them calls itself a religion of peace.


Credibility?

Zero.




Christianity also considers itself a religion of peace.


Really? Do show me where.

[ are you heading towards the position of 'there is no difference between Islam and Christianity'?  Looks like it.]
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #318 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:10pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:56pm:
Watch out for false prophets.
They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

What fruit does islam produce ?


any answers ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #319 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:12pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:59pm:
moh said a man is allowed 'only' 4 wives

he had about 11.

how many husbands is a wife 'allowed'?


no answers ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #320 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:14pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm:
Quote:
...............The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” ......


moh beheaded 100's of jews in one day because they would not become muzzies.


No comment ?

Hey, what about the rule invented by moh that a kid born to some muzzies is automatically a muzzie .

is that compulsion ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #321 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


lets start again, the last time was too easy.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #322 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:33pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:10pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:56pm:
Watch out for false prophets.
They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

What fruit does islam produce ?


any answers ?


can you restate the question in a more precise way please.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #323 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:38pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


lets start again, the last time was too easy.


a bet eh?

How about if the next person murdered in Australia is killed by a moslem extremist I will shut up in my defense of a rational interpretation of islam.

If the next person murdered in Australia is killed by someone other than a moslem extremist you cease your attacks on Islam.

you should be a shoe in to win since extreme moslems are so dangerous, and then you wont have to argue with me anymore Smiley

up for it?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #324 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:43pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:03pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:32pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:
12 terrorist incidents in Australian history.
2 by moslems,
2 by christians(armenians)
2 by right wing political groups.
2 by Croatians
3 by assorted nutters
1 by the government.

These are the logical conclusions based on factual data:
Moslems, Christians,Croatians and right wing extremists are all equally likely to perpetrate a terrorist action.




But only ONE of them calls itself a religion of peace.


Credibility?

Zero.




Christianity also considers itself a religion of peace.


Really? Do show me where.

[ are you heading towards the position of 'there is no difference between Islam and Christianity'?  Looks like it.]


Ok, i admit it was called the religion of love when i was taught as a youngster, but splitting hairs surely?

Me personally i have a preference for Christianity.
For me I find the new testament to be generally a pretty good guide for living your life. I disagree with the roles of women in traditional Islamic society and some of the detail points regarding unclean animals. But the two religions do agree on many more points than they disagree, and both derive from a common source. to say that they were the same would be incorrect. to say they were totally different would also be incorrect.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3928
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #325 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:49pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:38pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


lets start again, the last time was too easy.


a bet eh?

How about if the next person murdered in Australia is killed by a moslem extremist I will shut up in my defense of a rational interpretation of islam.

If the next person murdered in Australia is killed by someone other than a moslem extremist you cease your attacks on Islam.

you should be a shoe in to win since extreme moslems are so dangerous, and then you wont have to argue with me anymore Smiley

up for it?


A fairer bet would be the next person murdered in Australia that was inspired by religion. 

After all , it is the religion that is the issue, not that people commit  murder.

You have a whole lot of religions that might win, so don't look so glum.   Shocked
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #326 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:14pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:49pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:38pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?


lets start again, the last time was too easy.


a bet eh?

How about if the next person murdered in Australia is killed by a moslem extremist I will shut up in my defense of a rational interpretation of islam.

If the next person murdered in Australia is killed by someone other than a moslem extremist you cease your attacks on Islam.

you should be a shoe in to win since extreme moslems are so dangerous, and then you wont have to argue with me anymore Smiley

up for it?


A fairer bet would be the next person murdered in Australia that was inspired by religion. 

After all , it is the religion that is the issue, not that people commit  murder.

You have a whole lot of religions that might win, so don't look so glum.   Shocked 


Id still be prepared to take that bet Smiley
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #327 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:10pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:56pm:
Watch out for false prophets.
They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

What fruit does islam produce ?


any answers ?


can you restate the question in a more precise way please.


Sure.
Read the Bible, cover to cover .
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #328 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:38pm
 
wonder what cult this person follows/ed ?

Quote:
A 15-year-old boy has pleaded guilty at London’s Old Bailey to inciting terrorism by encouraging the murder of police officers during an Anzac Day parade in Australia. 
 
The youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons, entered his plea via video link from Manchester Crown Court on Thursday. Wearing a grey shirt and tie, the boy spoke only to plead guilty.

The charge states that between March 15, 2014 and March 26 the boy from the North West of England incited a person to commit an act of terrorism wholly or partly outside the UK, namely the murder of police officers during an attack on a parade to commemorate Anzac Day in Australia.

A second charge of inciting terrorism overseas in relation to beheading a person in Australia was dropped by the prosecution.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/anzac-day-terror-plot-teen-plead...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #329 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:42pm
 

ahah - appears they are ...........muslims !!!!!!!!!

Quote:
...........The Australian can reveal the alleged ringleaders of the Anzac Day plot were in regular contact with Prakash, now considered the most senior Australian fighting with Islamic State.

It is understood intercepted communications have linked Prakash, who fights under the nom de guerre Abu Khalid al-Cambodi, to the Melburnians, who allegedly planned to use swords and knives to attack police on Anzac Day.

The Australian has been told that in the lead-up to Saturday’s raids police were concerned that people of interest had become ­increasingly agitated, apparently concerned they were under surveillance, as they were.......

............Self-styled Islamic preacher, Junaid Thorne, who has links to IS fighters, has supported the five young men, describing the raids as the “usual nonsense”.

Mr Thorne has been regular speaker at the controversial Al-Furqan Centre in Springvale in Melbourne, where the five men also attended.

Along with the five, Mr Thorne was also linked with 18-year-old Numan Haider, who was shot dead in September after stabbing two police officers at a Melbourne police station car park..........


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/anzac-day-terror-plot-british-po...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #330 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:53pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:59pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:10pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:56pm:
Watch out for false prophets.
They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

What fruit does islam produce ?


any answers ?


can you restate the question in a more precise way please.


Sure.
Read the Bible, cover to cover .


Done it multiple times. I still don't think your question is precise. since you ask nothing any answer provided will be incorrect.

Sprint- how about that bet ??????????
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #331 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm
 

You have read the bible multiple times and don't understand that quote ?

I won the bet last time.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #332 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:56am
 
I understand the quote, i just think that it would be impossible to answer a question that broad without breaking the word count limit.

I know you won the bet last time. this would be a more traditional bet, where there as an opposing stake holder.

ill give you a bigger advantage if you dont like the existing terms.


ill shut up visa ve islam if an islamic extremist commits murder in any western country

you shut up visa ve islam if anyone is murdered by a non islamist in australia.
first recorded incident after you agree to the terms.

there ya go, youll never get an easier bet, surely.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:59am by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #333 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 7:34am
 

At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children

Mathew 11:25
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #334 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:59am
 
Mr SssPRriinnttt....
take the bet?
One Extremists murder in the whole western world, vs one domestic murder on our little Island.

Surely you will win right? 26 million people vs north america, south america, western Europe, and asia-thats gotta be around 2 billion people, who are all living with these highly violent unstable moslems.

You keep stating what a threat the Moslem's present so im giving you the chance to demonstrate it. If you are not prepared to back up your assertions with your actions maybe you don't really believe your own assertions?

It was your idea to bet, I just had the innovative idea of actually betting something meaningful and opposed to using it as a way of making a pointless statement.





Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:05am by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #335 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:04am
 
Pho - you are hardly worthwhile talking to.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #336 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:06am
 
Take the bet and Im sure you won't have to talk to me again  Smiley

bock bock bock

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #337 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:06am
 
bock bock bock BBOOCCKK??
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #338 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:10am
 

SSPPrrriiiNNttt....  cccoommeee oouuttt annd ppllaayy Grin
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #339 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
Am I being that unreasonable ? Asking you to back your assertion with a action with consequence?
Its easy to sit around spitting bible quotes and pitying the ignorance of the masses, i'm giving you the golden opportunity to permanently shut up one of those sad apologists who are preventing you from disseminating the truth of Islam to our unsuspecting populace.
Isn't it almost your civic duty to accept the bet?    Grin

Up to now I have disagreed with your opinions but admired your strength of conviction, please don't take that away from me too!
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:31am by Pho Huc »  

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #340 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:30am
 
Sprint is missing a huge opportunity here to fruit up!
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #341 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:55am
 

Quote:
.........Schoolboy ‘preached extremism’

PAUL MALEY, RICK MORTON Police are ­investigating a Sydney high school following allegations ­a pupil preached extremist Islamist views.............


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #342 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:08pm
 
sprinty sprinty sprinty......

I don't mind if you don't take the bet, so long as you admit that's its because less westerners are killed by terrorists globally than Australians are killed by non Moslems in australia.
Thats the only reason you wouldn't take the bet i assume. either that or your confident of winning but don't want to lose out on my witticisms Smiley

After that I presume you will stop beating your drum about Islam and start talking about the dangers of alcohol and mental illness, since those are so much more relevant in the context of danger to western civilizations. 
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #343 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm
 
It's the global intent of islam that is significant.

this is evidenced by the fruits produced by islam historically.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #344 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:52pm
 
I agree, it is the intent of Islam at question here.
You state Islams global intent is jihad and domination, I state it isnt.
 
I however am prepared to put up or shut up.

Can you think of a more suitable quantitative analog for the global expression of a religions capacity for violence against outsiders than the probability that a follower of that religion will murder the follower of another?

I exclude the eastern countries from the bet due to fact that there is large civil war going on at the moment and you have shown a proclivity for claiming that actions in this war were a direct consequence of extreme Islam.

I give you the whole rest of the world to use as your sample size.
And im just gonna use little old peaceful australia.

cmon, surely your not worried about being wrong!



Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #345 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:54pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 10:30am:
Sprint is missing a huge opportunity here to fruit up!


Fruit them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #346 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:04pm
 

Quote:
..........the probability that a follower of that religion will murder the follower of another?..............


that's sort of pretty significant really.
And funny you should say that in regard to islam.


Quote:
.........I exclude the eastern countries ....


I include eastern countries as they are in the world.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #347 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:44pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
Quote:
..........the probability that a follower of that religion will murder the follower of another?..............


that's sort of pretty significant really.
And funny you should say that in regard to islam.


Quote:
.........I exclude the eastern countries ....


I include eastern countries as they are in the world.


Islam is the religion in question here, i am happy to include any other religions that has a thread relating to their extremist tendencies.

I suspect you would include middle eastern countries because you don't think Moslems represent a significant threat in western countries and are afraid of losing the bet.


I guess that 2 billion people to 25 million people doesn't give you a large enough sample size to detect extreme Islam.

it must a pretty potent force then.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #348 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 5:28pm
 
gandalf wrote Reply #308 - Yesterday at 12:44pm:

Quote:
They do address it - an incorrect interpretation of Islamic doctrine.

For people who genuinely have this peaceful and tolerant interpretation of Islam, you are literally demanding that they abandon their beliefs.

How do you think that will work out moses? Well we all know the answer - you don't want it to work out. You are not interested in a solution - only forcing yourself into a position where your continued hatred of muslims is guaranteed.

Moses will you at least admit that all your talk about "what muslims must do" is a complete sham - since their is literally nothing that muslims can do in your book without turning themselves into non-muslims?


The excuse of *incorrect interpretation of islam* is a total failure to face the truth.

A direct command to torture and kill people is exactly that: a direct command to torture and kill people.

Crying innocence and self-justification, by irrationally stating *it doesn't really mean what it says* will solve nothing.

It's not my fault that islam engenders muslim terrorism on a global scale. (That's a problem you have to address).

Literary gymnastics and crying misunderstanding and innocence, will not prove anything.

If islam is structured in such a way that you're unable to remove the depravity without destroying the belief, that's a muslim problem (no one else can be blamed).

islam is the psychological foundation for unspeakably inhumane atrocities committed by muslims against their fellow man.

Don't expect decent people to validate the evil in islam.

The fact that you're unable to remove the intrinsic heinousness without destroying islam, is proof positive that islam is utterly evil.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #349 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 5:29pm
 
Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
Quote:
Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment. 
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101


Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the  belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #350 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:43pm:
Ok, i admit it was called the religion of love when i was taught as a youngster, but splitting hairs surely?



Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap.  (The Paki B Vgger will be very interested in knowing you in the Biblical sense, BTW. You are just his kind of guy)


You cannot be taken seriously on any level if you have a limp-wristed waive to the difference between love and submission. You are simply not to be taken seriously because you are either not honest or you are too thick.  'Love your neighbour...' being the same as 'submit to your Islamic neighbour...'??

Are you dishonest or thick, 'Pho'?

PB - is he mendacious or thick?  You know these thing better than anyone else.





Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:31pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #351 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:57pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:52pm:
I agree, it is the intent of Islam at question here.
You state Islams global intent is jihad and domination, I state it isnt.
 
I however am prepared to put up or shut up.




Come on, then?!!!?



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #352 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:08pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:43pm:
Ok, i admit it was called the religion of love when i was taught as a youngster, but splitting hairs surely?



Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap.  (The Paki B Vgger will be very interested in knowing you in the Biblical sense, BTW. You are just his kind of guy)


You cannot be taken seriously on any level if you have a limp-wristed waive to the difference between love and submission. You are simply not to be taken seriously because you are either not honest or you are too thick.  'Love your neighbour...' being the same as 'submit to your Islamic neighbour...'??

Are you dishonest or thick, 'Pho'?

PB - is he mendacious or thick?  You know these thing better than anyone else.



Stupid or mendacious? Thick or tendentious?

Good questions, old boy. What do you call someone who gets submission to the Absolute mixed up with submission to your Islamic neighbour?

I’d say mendacious. We’re fortunate enough, you see, to have learned to read - unlike many of those Taliban types who believe the same.

If you ask me, they’re the thick ones. You’re the one with the computer rather than the AK.

What does that make you, dear boy?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #353 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 9:04am
 
moses wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
Quote:
Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment. 
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101


Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the  belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.



answer away phu.

I've pretty much given up on talking to you .
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #354 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 10:50am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap. 


Kinda like you asserting that the Quran is a nonsensical book of contradictions - only to reveal straight after that you've never actually read it.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #355 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 2:19pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 9:04am:
moses wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
Quote:
Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment. 
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101


Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the  belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.



answer away phu.

I've pretty much given up on talking to you .


You do that  with most, Sprint.

Ban them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #356 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 6:12pm
 
Mohammed is Allah's apostle.  Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" 

Quran 48:29
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #357 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Soren wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap. 


Kinda like you asserting that the Quran is a nonsensical book of contradictions - only to reveal straight after that you've never actually read it.

Most Muslims haven't read it either. It is unreadable. I have tried.
No wonder they give prizes to people who memorised it all - it takes a superhuman effort of mindless, pointless tenacity.
Half of it is the result of paroxysms, the other half is pretend-seizures to further Mohammed's political and social fortunes. It is Ali Baba fantasy stuff, except nowhere near as well written or expressed as the 1001 Nights.

My central argument against you, Gandy, is that you cannot possibly be sane and functional AND take all this stuff seriously. You are like the guys who think that Jesus is actually sitting on the right hand side of god's throne. The Koran is nothing but that kind of literalist BS.








Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #358 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
My central argument against you, Gandy, is that you cannot possibly be sane and functional AND take all this stuff seriously.


Yes S - I am a liar, you've already established that.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #359 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:39pm
 

muslims observe ramadan

    ...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #360 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
My central argument against you, Gandy, is that you cannot possibly be sane and functional AND take all this stuff seriously.


Yes S - I am a liar, you've already established that.

Oh, yes, do emote and get all preening and pouting, unloved aunty-ish.

I am simply saying that subscribing to the Koran requires that you live on a different plane of reality from mine.

One cannot possibly be a partisan of the Enlightenment and Islam at the same time. You cannot be nodding to Voltaire, Bourke, JS Mill et al and Mohammed.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:45pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #361 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:48pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:39pm:



Coz it's the HOLY month, innit. HOLY Bombathon.

Nuffin' to do with Ramadan and Islam but.


Muslims are killing each other because AmerikKKa and Britain and the Zionist Entity MAKE them.

Every schoolboy knows that. No Muslim is in control of his actions, they are all manipulated by Western and especially Zionist conspiracies. Simple.

(How am I doing, Gandy, PB, Brain?)

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #362 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 2:05am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:48pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:39pm:



Coz it's the HOLY month, innit. HOLY Bombathon.

Nuffin' to do with Ramadan and Islam but.


Muslims are killing each other because AmerikKKa and Britain and the Zionist Entity MAKE them.

Every schoolboy knows that. No Muslim is in control of his actions, they are all manipulated by Western and especially Zionist conspiracies. Simple.

(How am I doing, Gandy, PB, Brain?)



Same as you ever have. The script hasn’t changed.

Don’t you ever get bored with this?  Do you ever wake up some days and think, do you know? Today I just might take a breather from krapping on about the Muselmen. Just a day. The PBs and Brains can wait. They’ll be there tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #363 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:44am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:36pm:
I am simply saying that subscribing to the Koran requires that you live on a different plane of reality from mine.


No S - you specifically ruled out delusion. You then stated in no uncertain terms that if I believe Muhammad was the best of men then I am a liar. Shall I show you the quote again?

Nonetheless it is touching that you feel the need to back peddle now - I hope that is your reasonable side breaking through.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #364 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 9:44am:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:36pm:
I am simply saying that subscribing to the Koran requires that you live on a different plane of reality from mine.


No S - you specifically ruled out delusion. You then stated in no uncertain terms that if I believe Muhammad was the best of men then I am a liar. Shall I show you the quote again?

Nonetheless it is touching that you feel the need to back peddle now - I hope that is your reasonable side breaking through.

Yeah, show me the quote.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #365 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:08pm
 
don't be daft S - you know the one. The one where you said if I believe he is the best of men then I am (a liar).
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #366 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:17pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
don't be daft S - you know the one. The one where you said if I believe he is the best of men then I am (a liar).

Just show us the whole quote, why dontcha.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #367 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:17pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
don't be daft S - you know the one. The one where you said if I believe he is the best of men then I am (a liar).

Just show us the whole quote, why dontcha.



Seriously? I already showed you in the other thread.

But here you go mr squirm...

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 6:59pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:02pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2015 at 6:16pm:
You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.



From your point of view S, someone can be delusional - in which case their beliefs are sincere and not contradictory. I would be far happier if you and FD settled for delusional. You would still be ignoring the historical evidence - but at least you are no longer throwing the 'mendacious muslim' slur at me.

You are not delusional, Gandy.


You know that one or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.


So I'm a liar - I guess  Undecided

Well, if you maintain that Mohammed was the best of men, then yes, you are.


Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #368 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:25pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:17pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
don't be daft S - you know the one. The one where you said if I believe he is the best of men then I am (a liar).

Just show us the whole quote, why dontcha.



Seriously? I already showed you in the other thread.

But here you go mr squirm...

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 6:59pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 5:02pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2015 at 6:16pm:
You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.




From your point of view S, someone can be delusional - in which case their beliefs are sincere and not contradictory. I would be far happier if you and FD settled for delusional. You would still be ignoring the historical evidence - but at least you are no longer throwing the 'mendacious muslim' slur at me.

You are not delusional, Gandy.


You know that one or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.


So I'm a liar - I guess  Undecided

Well, if you maintain that Mohammed was the best of men, then yes, you are.



You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.


SO as you can see I didn't call you a liar, you called yourself a liar. And you repeat your 'Mohammed is the best of men' but not the other side of the equation, the one with with the 'Moghammed is the best of men' is incompatible.

And naturally, grinning old PB is along to support the slippery little evasion.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 27th, 2015 at 9:50am by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #369 - Jul 26th, 2015 at 11:16pm
 
That jolted his memory, G. It’s not the old boy’s fault. He has a disability.

He’ll forget everything by morning, you’ll see.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #370 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 11:34am
 
We really should pity the Old Boy, such a mind!  What a shame he's blighted with forgetfulness, hey?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #371 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:51pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
SO as you can see I didn't call you a liar, you called yourself a liar.


ummm ok good logic S.  Grin

- person A: if you like anchovies then you suck
- person B: I like anchovies, so I guess I must suck
- person A: SEE!? You said you suck - not me!!

Impeccable.

Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #372 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 2:01pm
 
Quote:
HE CAME to the world’s attention when he brutally beheaded western hostages in a sickening series of snuff films.

But it appears the tables have now turned for masked IS executioner Jihadi John.

According to reports, Mohammed Emwazi, 26, whose London accent earned him the nickname “Jihadi John”, left IS a number of weeks ago and is fleeing to North Africa, terrified the militant group will turn on him.

Islamic State would drop him “like a stone or worse if they feel he is no longer of any use to them,” a source told the Daily Express.

“So it is possible he will end up suffering the same fate as his victims.”

The Daily Express claims Emwazi feared his unmasking and subsequent notoriety had diminished his value to Islamic State. He also reportedly fears jealous members of IS might be plotting against him.......


Quote:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/jihadi-john-reportedly-flees-isis-fearing-his-own-life/story-fnihsmjt-1227458498814


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/jihadi-john-reportedly-flees-isis-feari...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #373 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 2:31pm
 
Quote:
Meanwhile a former friend of the IS butcher blasted Emwazi as “not a good Muslim” during his school years.

The ruthless extremist used to dress “like a gangster rapper”, the anonymous friend told the Daily Express.

She said: “He smoked drugs, drank and was violent towards other boys. The fact he portrays himself as a strict Muslim is laughable and shameful.

“I never saw him pray or wear Islamic dress — he would not even mention religion at all.

“Being a Muslim myself I was very aware of it at the time. We had a gang and he was very much a part of it — which shows he is a total hypocrite.”


Not a good muslim?? Nonsense - he beheads people, thats the only criteria for being a good muslim what?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #374 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 2:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:51pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
SO as you can see I didn't call you a liar, you called yourself a liar.


ummm ok good logic S.  Grin

- person A: if you like anchovies then you suck
- person B: I like anchovies, so I guess I must suck
- person A: SEE!? You said you suck - not me!!

Impeccable.



Sorry, what did he say again?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #375 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 1:51pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
SO as you can see I didn't call you a liar, you called yourself a liar.


ummm ok good logic S.  Grin

- person A: if you like anchovies then you suck
- person B: I like anchovies, so I guess I must suck
- person A: SEE!? You said you suck - not me!!

Impeccable.




I really, truly don't know whether you are really this devious and dishonest or if you are so consumed by Emotionally Correct pique that you will simply not hear what you do not want to hear because it would require you to think.

I put a proposition to you to the effect that you cannot possibly believe in two mutually contradictory propositions at the same time with equal conviction.
You twisted it into saying that I suggested that if you believe only one side of the dilemma I put to you then you are a liar.

I cannot believe that you do not see your cack-handed attempt at sophisty. It ought to be beneath you  as a 'reforming' Muslim but obvious isn't. You will not shirk even the crudest intellectual dishonesty.

PB clapping on is additional proof of how dishonest your little twist is.

Gandy, you are a liar
if
you maintain that you can equally believe two mutually contradictory things.
Or an idiot who doesn't understand either of the two contradictory sides put to you.


Or you are the White Queen.

"Soren laughed: "There's no use trying," he said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Gandalf. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."



Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:51pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #376 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 7:17pm
 
Regarding the capacity of people to hold onto contradictory views, ive read alot of quotes referencing the bible while speaking of their hatred of islam.  To be consistent with the new testament you would be required to offer only love and forgiveness.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #377 - Jul 27th, 2015 at 7:35pm
 
Good show, old boy. You’re remembered at last.

Marvellous stuff.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #378 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:43am
 

Quote:
..............Probe into extremism in schools

A Muslim extremist on trial for a string of offences preached at the same Sydney high school currently the target of a counter-­terrorism investigation into Islamic extremism within the education system. NSW Premier Mike Baird will today.................
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #379 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
Gandy, you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe two mutually contradictory things.


Nice try.

But here's what you should have wrote: you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe
what I believe to be
mutually contradictory things.


Big difference.

I don't believe them to be contradictory. I gave you ample opportunity to accept my sincerity on this, but instead you just continue insisting that it must be contradictory - as if you alone have the monopoly on universal truth - and conclude therefore that I am a liar.

It was clever of you (well not really) to twist this into a simple semantic exercise - of course if I claim to knowingly believe in two mutually contradictory things - that would make me a liar. Thats a no-brainer. You just left out a pretty darned important part of that: namely that I reject your premise that they *ARE* contradictory.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #380 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
Gandalf your the perfect example of why islam /  muslims are a threat to every sane and decent person on the planet.

You claim that you are totally unable to see any evil in the qur'an / islam.

Even though it's right there under your nose you are unable to see it.

Assuming you're being honest, the only possible way for someone to not see a physical reality right in front of them, would be for that person to be in a trance like state. (hypnotized by another person, self induced trance)

Your constant incantations to allah, the perpetual telling yourself that islam / allah represents good, you've put yourself in a trance.

Now if your belief really did not have any evil in it your state of mind would pose no problems at all.

However consider the other side of the coin.

There are other muslims out there who can see the physically existing evil in the qur'an and islam.

The absolutely can see the  verses which tell them to go out and rape, torture and murder people as being the one true way to paradise.

They utterly believe so they commit the atrocities as an islamic spiritual requirement.

muslims killing each other as instructed in the qur'an is not the answer.

muslims like you and their apologists lying with the incessant islam is a religion of peace, it doesn't really mean what it says etc. is not the answer.

The answer is honesty about what's in the qur'an.

As you've realized you're unable to do this without destroying islam.

If you wait for the inevitable e.g. the world will clean up islam and the qur'an, it won't be very nice, but that's your choice.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #381 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
aahh, Moses?

Re-reading this monstrous thread Gandalf has never agreed with your interpretations of the Quran.
Regardless of actual meanings/interpretations etc etc, If your talking to a spiritual person about there personal beliefs your pretty much in a logic free zone.
If they say "I believe in X" your pretty much stuck with the information that they believe in X.
Your interpretation of what X is is irrelevant to them.

If you say "but X means evil" they will say"not to me" and be totally correct. Its their personal interpretation which provides the foundation of their faith, not your interpretation.   

Its fine if you want to debate interpretations externally but debating someone's personnel interpretation of faith is just stupid (and I don't use that word lightly).

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #382 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:29pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Your interpretation of what X is is irrelevant to them.


As is my interpretation of X irrelevant to moses.

Both moses and Soren in separate discussions - on the same endless loop which starts with "my truth is universal, therefore...."
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #383 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
Sidestepping the issue of the danger of both muslims E.G.:

The muslims who are in a trance like state and completely unable to comprehend the physical reality of evil in islam and qur'an.

The muslims who can see the evil and absolutely believes that it means what it says, that committing rape torture and murder is a legitimate islamic spiritual path.

Evading these issues will never solve the problem.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #384 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:50pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
Evading these issues will never solve the problem.


How about for once you give us some practical ideas on what *WILL* solve the problem moses.

Emphasis on practical solutions - not just hot air about how evil muslim beliefs are. Can you do that?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #385 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Your interpretation of what X is is irrelevant to them.


As is my interpretation of X irrelevant to moses.

"


precisely.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #386 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:17pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
Gandy, you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe two mutually contradictory things.


Nice try.

But here's what you should have wrote: you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe
what I believe to be
mutually contradictory things.


Big difference.

I don't believe them to be contradictory. I gave you ample opportunity to accept my sincerity on this, but instead you just continue insisting that it must be contradictory - as if you alone have the monopoly on universal truth - and conclude therefore that I am a liar.

It was clever of you (well not really) to twist this into a simple semantic exercise - of course if I claim to knowingly believe in two mutually contradictory things - that would make me a liar. Thats a no-brainer. You just left out a pretty darned important part of that: namely that I reject your premise that they *ARE* contradictory.

Thank you Gandy, you are in the bag - if you don't mind me saying so.

Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.

This is just for starters, I am sure I will have more questions once you start addressing these questions.






The long and the short of it - you have no evidence of any kind that will show that Islam is compatible with Enlightenment Western political and ethical standards that prevail today across much of Europe, North America, Australia and NZ.



But you are invited to give
your interpretation
on all these points and I am sure many others that will pop up due to your answers.


Over to you, Gandy.

Wink


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #387 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:13pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:17pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
Gandy, you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe two mutually contradictory things.


Nice try.

But here's what you should have wrote: you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe
what I believe to be
mutually contradictory things.


Big difference.

I don't believe them to be contradictory. I gave you ample opportunity to accept my sincerity on this, but instead you just continue insisting that it must be contradictory - as if you alone have the monopoly on universal truth - and conclude therefore that I am a liar.

It was clever of you (well not really) to twist this into a simple semantic exercise - of course if I claim to knowingly believe in two mutually contradictory things - that would make me a liar. Thats a no-brainer. You just left out a pretty darned important part of that: namely that I reject your premise that they *ARE* contradictory.

Thank you Gandy, you are in the bag - if you don't mind me saying so.

Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.

This is just for starters, I am sure I will have more questions once you start addressing these questions.






The long and the short of it - you have no evidence of any kind that will show that Islam is compatible with Enlightenment Western political and ethical standards that prevail today across much of Europe, North America, Australia and NZ.



But you are invited to give
your interpretation
on all these points and I am sure many others that will pop up due to your answers.


Over to you, Gandy.

Wink




Its generally polite to answer the other parties queries(regarding what you personally advise regarding practical actions) before getting into your lengthy self indulgent rants......

Its just good manners Wink
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #388 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 11:55am:
Who were the perpetrators, who were the victims?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/905/kSJCF5.jpg

https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/highway-of-death.jpeg

Who's dead, who's holding the gun?

http://rt.com/files/news/21/af/90/00/000_par2004031832277.jpg

http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/db/47/000047db_medium.jpeg

To give some proportion to the numbers of civilian dead in Iraq in 2003:

http://images.usatoday.com/news/graphics/iraq_deaths_topper.gif

Who's holding the gun in Afghanistan in 2001-2011? Who is dead?

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20140510/362033_UK-soldier.jpg

http://rt.com/files/news/2c/1d/40/00/afghanistan-us-soldiers-uri.jpg

Soren and Sprint, it was (primarily) Christians who killed these Muslims, often in state sanctioned massacres, utilising high-tech weaponry without care as to what "collateral" damage they inflicted.

As much as you claim Christianity has "no Army" the reality is quite a bit different, Sprint.

As much as you claim I have lied, there are tens of thousands, millions perhaps photos which demonstrate otherwise, Soren.

Now, why don't you grow up, both of you and stop denying the reality of what the rest of the world has seen?    Roll Eyes

In war you kill the enemy.

Simple.

That is ALL that war is about. Killing the enemy.  Don't get into a war if you do not want to be killed.

BUT IF YOU DO GET INTO A WAR don't act surprised if you get killed.

War is about killing the enemy until it knows it's beaten.

Nothing less, nothing more.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #389 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 8:54pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 1:17pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
Gandy, you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe two mutually contradictory things.


Nice try.

But here's what you should have wrote: you are a liar if you maintain that you can equally believe
what I believe to be
mutually contradictory things.


Big difference.

I don't believe them to be contradictory. I gave you ample opportunity to accept my sincerity on this, but instead you just continue insisting that it must be contradictory - as if you alone have the monopoly on universal truth - and conclude therefore that I am a liar.

It was clever of you (well not really) to twist this into a simple semantic exercise - of course if I claim to knowingly believe in two mutually contradictory things - that would make me a liar. Thats a no-brainer. You just left out a pretty darned important part of that: namely that I reject your premise that they *ARE* contradictory.

Thank you Gandy, you are in the bag - if you don't mind me saying so.

Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.

This is just for starters, I am sure I will have more questions once you start addressing these questions.






The long and the short of it - you have no evidence of any kind that will show that Islam is compatible with Enlightenment Western political and ethical standards that prevail today across much of Europe, North America, Australia and NZ.



But you are invited to give
your interpretation
on all these points and I am sure many others that will pop up due to your answers.


Over to you, Gandy.

Wink




Its generally polite to answer the other parties queries(regarding what you personally advise regarding practical actions) before getting into your lengthy self indulgent rants......

Its just good manners Wink

Yeah - except he didn't ask anything. Had he asked, I would have answered.  But there are no questions.

No, wait!  What IS his query about? It is about what HE believes.   Am I to tell him what he believes? Or shall I allow HIM to articulate it?


What the hell is wrong with YOU?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #390 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:50pm:
moses wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
Evading these issues will never solve the problem.


How about for once you give us some practical ideas on what *WILL* solve the problem moses.

Emphasis on practical solutions - not just hot air about how evil muslim beliefs are. Can you do that?


Soren-
see attached
Smiley
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #391 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:26pm
 
Gandalf & Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
How about for once you give us some practical ideas on what *WILL* solve the problem moses.

Emphasis on practical solutions - not just hot air about how evil muslim beliefs are. Can you do that?


The practical solution is what I've been advocating since day one.

CLEAN UP THE EVIL IN ISLAM, THE COMMANDS OF allah, THE TEACHINGS OF muhammad, THE VERSES IN THE quran AND HADIT'TH

This is the only answer to the problem.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #392 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:45pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Gandalf & Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
How about for once you give us some practical ideas on what *WILL* solve the problem moses.

Emphasis on practical solutions - not just hot air about how evil muslim beliefs are. Can you do that?


The practical solution is what I've been advocating since day one.

CLEAN UP THE EVIL IN ISLAM, THE COMMANDS OF allah, THE TEACHINGS OF muhammad, THE VERSES IN THE quran AND HADIT'TH

This is the only answer to the problem.


So, you'd basically want them to stop being Muslims Moses?

What if they became Atheists instead?   Would that satisfy you or do you want them all to only become Christians?   How about Hindus or Buddhists or Taoists or Shintoists or Shamanists?  They acceptable?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #393 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:47pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Gandalf & Pho Huc wrote:
Quote:
How about for once you give us some practical ideas on what *WILL* solve the problem moses.

Emphasis on practical solutions - not just hot air about how evil muslim beliefs are. Can you do that?


The practical solution is what I've been advocating since day one.

CLEAN UP THE EVIL IN ISLAM, THE COMMANDS OF allah, THE TEACHINGS OF muhammad, THE VERSES IN THE quran AND HADIT'TH

This is the only answer to the problem.



And how would that be achieved, exactly?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #394 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:21pm
 
[Dev] null knows that it is impossible to clean up the cult, without destroying it.

So the world has to accept the rape torture and mass murder conducted by muslims, rather than:

CLEAN UP THE EVIL IN ISLAM, THE COMMANDS OF allah, THE TEACHINGS OF muhammad, THE VERSES IN THE quran AND HADIT'TH

greggerypeccary want's to know how to do it.

Well I would have thought that by simple honesty on the part of every one would be the first step.

Honesty on the part of muslims to expunge the evil referred to, would be the one simple way.

Not mental and literary gymnastics, forever running around crying victimization, misunderstanding, misinterpretation, cherry picking parts of sentences while ignoring the verse in its entirety, etc.

It's no big deal after all editors are always doing it with written manuscripts, teachers do it with school projects, on and on it goes, almost everyone is capable of rewriting literature.

The problem muslims have is, they've accepted the inhumane putrefaction in the qur'an as being infallible, perfect and unable to be changed.

Well that's their problem, nobody else's.   


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #395 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:50pm
 
Moses, Honesty is built on respect. How you can you comport yourself the way you do and expect any respect?
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #396 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:53pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:21pm:
The problem muslims have is, they've accepted the inhumane putrefaction in the qur'an as being infallible, perfect and unable to be changed.

Well that's their problem, nobody else's.   





It seems to trouble you an awful lot.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #397 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
Oh gee the apologists are in a flap trying to avoid one simple statement on the issue of stopping islamic terror.

CLEAN UP THE EVIL IN ISLAM, THE COMMANDS OF allah, THE TEACHINGS OF muhammad, THE VERSES IN THE quran AND HADIT'TH

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #398 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 3:08pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:21pm:
The problem muslims have is, they've accepted the inhumane putrefaction in the qur'an as being infallible, perfect and unable to be changed.

Well that's their problem, nobody else's.   


 


you really sound like its a problem for you......
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #399 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.


Normally I would give you a more considered and detailed response, but seeing it will just be ridiculed, ignored, dismissed etc - I fail to see the why I should waste my time. The abridged version will have to suffice...

1. Freedom of religious thought is enshrined in the Quran - a no clearer starting point is verse 2:256 "there is no compulsion in religion"

2. Dhimmitude was a far more humane way of treating subjects than the standards of the time. Subjects had freedom of religion and were exempt from military duty. The jizya tax was equivalent to the muslim zakat tax - which they were exempt from.

3. sunni-shia relations over the centuries have been characterised by co-existence and tolerance, not separation and intolerance.

4. Jews, christians and pagans have all received far more freedom under Islam than most other rulers.

5. The cartoon killers are wrong because mainstream muslim society says they are wrong. Simple.

6. Berating people like you is an important part of the fight for truth. I am a law abiding citizen who does nothing more and nothing less than the average law-abiding citizen. It is simply outrageous to imply that somehow because the nutters claim to share the same religion as me (I don't have any say in that do I?) - that I am somehow responsible for them. I'm not sure what you are suggesting - travel to Syria and embark upon a "peace crusade" or some crap? No thanks - my responsibilities lie with my family and my loved ones - not nutjob headhackers who hijack my peaceful religion.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #400 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:59pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.


Normally I would give you a more considered and detailed response, but seeing it will just be ridiculed, ignored, dismissed etc - I fail to see the why I should waste my time. The abridged version will have to suffice...

1. Freedom of religious thought is enshrined in the Quran - a no clearer starting point is verse 2:256 "there is no compulsion in religion"

2. Dhimmitude was a far more humane way of treating subjects than the standards of the time. Subjects had freedom of religion and were exempt from military duty. The jizya tax was equivalent to the muslim zakat tax - which they were exempt from.

3. sunni-shia relations over the centuries have been characterised by co-existence and tolerance, not separation and intolerance.

4. Jews, christians and pagans have all received far more freedom under Islam than most other rulers.

5. The cartoon killers are wrong because mainstream muslim society says they are wrong. Simple.

6. Berating people like you is an important part of the fight for truth. I am a law abiding citizen who does nothing more and nothing less than the average law-abiding citizen. It is simply outrageous to imply that somehow because the nutters claim to share the same religion as me (I don't have any say in that do I?) - that I am somehow responsible for them. I'm not sure what you are suggesting - travel to Syria and embark upon a "peace crusade" or some crap? No thanks - my responsibilities lie with my family and my loved ones - not nutjob headhackers who hijack my peaceful religion.

Why are Muslims murdering each other and non-Muslims if it has all been so peaceful, examplary and all-round marvellous all along?


Please do not say that  non-Muslims make you do it.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #401 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #402 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 4:59pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
Show us how Islam valorises
Individual choice over submission to Mohammed's revelations
Freedom of speech, conscience, religion.
How Islam has not treated non Muslims as dhimmis throughout its entire history
How shia and sunni Islam have NOT been completely intolerant of each other
How Islam permitted freedom of religion and conscience to Jews, Christians, Hindus, pagans
How Muslims are who kill cartoonists, translators, film makers in the 21st century, in the name of Islam, are demonstrably wrong
What Muslims like you who think they are wrong are doing about them - other than berating people like me.


Normally I would give you a more considered and detailed response, but seeing it will just be ridiculed, ignored, dismissed etc - I fail to see the why I should waste my time. The abridged version will have to suffice...

1. Freedom of religious thought is enshrined in the Quran - a no clearer starting point is verse 2:256 "there is no compulsion in religion"

2. Dhimmitude was a far more humane way of treating subjects than the standards of the time. Subjects had freedom of religion and were exempt from military duty. The jizya tax was equivalent to the muslim zakat tax - which they were exempt from.

3. sunni-shia relations over the centuries have been characterised by co-existence and tolerance, not separation and intolerance.

4. Jews, christians and pagans have all received far more freedom under Islam than most other rulers.

5. The cartoon killers are wrong because mainstream muslim society says they are wrong. Simple.

6. Berating people like you is an important part of the fight for truth. I am a law abiding citizen who does nothing more and nothing less than the average law-abiding citizen. It is simply outrageous to imply that somehow because the nutters claim to share the same religion as me (I don't have any say in that do I?) - that I am somehow responsible for them. I'm not sure what you are suggesting - travel to Syria and embark upon a "peace crusade" or some crap? No thanks - my responsibilities lie with my family and my loved ones - not nutjob headhackers who hijack my peaceful religion.


Oh, he’ll forget all that, G. Early onset Altzheimers, you know.

He’ll ask you the same question next week, when he’ll also accuse you of evasion and telling porkies.

Always, absolutely, never ever. It’s the old boy staple, and it’s served him well for the past 14 years. He’s not changing for anyone.

Now, if only we can get a decent bombing or something to prove him right. Armenian Christians, Family Court terrorists, the NSW Special Branch, anyone will do.

The old boy can fill in the gaps with his Altzheimers.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #403 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:38pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from  God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #404 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm
 
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #405 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from  God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?



If you condemn the totality of a religion because not all followers follow all tenants you must condemn all religions. i look forward to debating you on a christianity exposed thread Grin
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #406 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:10am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?


No, that’s Moses. The old boy has early-onset Altzheimers. He just forgets he’s posted the same thing, over and over again.

Don’t blame the old boy, he has a disability. No one has the right to not be offended, except the aged and infirm.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #407 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:19am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from  God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?




If you condemn the totality of a religion because not all followers follow all tenants you must condemn all religions. i look forward to debating you on a christianity exposed thread Grin


So does the old boy. I think the correct gospel is John - something about loving thy neighbour.

The old boy loves that.quote. He has it hanging on his bedroom wall, underneath his stool fingerpainting portraits.

It was a hobby. He gave it a go.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #408 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:10pm
 

Quote:
.........An attack on a woman sunbathing in a bikini has inflamed race relations in France amid claims that the country is succumbing to Islamophobic hysteria reminiscent of pre-war antisemitism. The row comes after commentators and politicians claimed......


i assume it was a muslim attacking a woman in france.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #409 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:16pm
 

Quote:
An attack on a woman in France because she wore a bikini in a public park has sparked outrage on social media.

The 21-year-old victim, who has been named as Angelique Sloss, was beaten up by a gang of reportedly Muslim young women – aged between 16 and 24 – when she was sunbathing with two friends.

Protesters wearing bikinis and swimsuits held a rally at the park, in the northern city of Reims, yesterday despite rain and cold winds.

Hundreds across France joined the campaign on Twitter, posting photos of themselves wearing swimsuits in public places.

Spectators have likened the campaign to the JeSuisCharlie Twitter campaign, following the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris in January.

One Twitter user added: ‘All women are free to wear what they want, and no one can decide for them.’

Another wrote: ‘I’m posting a photo to say no to the draconian oppression of liberty.’

The anti-racism organisation SOS Racisme with the hashtag ‘JePorteMonMaillotAuParc’, meaning ‘I wear my swimsuit in the park’.


The attack took place on Wednesday at Parc Leo-Lagrange.

All five women were arrested after the attack, with the eldest three - named in French newspapers as Ines Nouri, Zohra Karim and Hadoune Tadjouri - set to appear in court in September.

The 16-year-old and 17-year-old involved in the attack remain anonymous. 


French police said the attackers came from housing estates with large Muslim populations.

This has sparked assumptions that the attack was religiously-motivated, and the incident is being held up by some right-wing observers as proof that radical Islamic ideas pose a threat to French values.

The Mayor of Reims, Arnaud Robinet, said: ‘We have to be very careful not to jump to conclusions. All the same, I can understand why people have assumed that this attack had religious motives. If that turns out to be the case, it is a very serious incident.’

One of the group is reported to have shouted at the woman for ‘immorally’ exposing so much flesh in public.

The woman responded and the group attacked her, slapping and punching her.


Passersby managed to stop the assault, but Ms Sloss has been unable to go to work following the assault because of the 'severe bruising'.

Police told L’Union newspaper that they couldn’t confirm whether the attack was motivated by ‘religious opinions’.

Four years ago a poll by the Le Monde newspaper found that Islam is considered a ‘threat’ by many French and Germans to their national identity.

The poll of 1,600 people in both countries found that Muslims have ‘not integrated properly’.

Le Monde ran the results under a headline which brands efforts to get different religious communities to live side by side as a ‘failure’.

France, with 7million, and Germany, 4.3million, have the largest Muslim communities in Europe. There are around 2.4million in Britain.

In 2010 Germany’s Angela Merkel conceded that her country’s multicultural society had ‘failed’ while a number of French politicians have complained about the growing influence of radical Islam.

According to the Le Monde poll, carried out with marketing firm IFOP, 68 per cent of French and 75 per cent of Germans believe Muslims are ‘not well integrated into society’.


Others – 55 per cent in France and 49 per cent in Germany – said they believed the ‘influence and visibility of Islam’ was ‘too large’, while 60 per cent in both countries said the reason for the problem is Muslims’ own ‘refusal’ to integrate.

Just as crucially, 42 per cent of French and 40 per cent of Germans consider the presence of Islamic communities ‘a threat’ to their national identities.

In France the government has displayed a hard line towards religious extremism and has banned Islamic veils.

Police said tonight that the attack had 'absolutely nothing to do with religion’.

In fact Angelique Sloss, 21, got into an argument in the park after another young woman from a 'rival gang' told her to put her clothes on.

It was windy and overcast at the time, and a number of youngsters took sides in the dispute, and began fighting, police said.

Julie Galisson, the local police superintendent who is leading the enquiry into the incident, said: ‘It was a fight between young girls which degenerated after one of the authors of the aggression said: “Get dressed, it’s not summer”.

‘One of those arrested would not leave her alone and this degenerated into violence,’ Mrs Galisson said.

The police officer added: ‘As is clear from the statement of the victim and those implicated, there is no element of a religious or moral element which explains the aggression.’

Despite other police sources telling AFP, France’s national news agency, that it was a ‘banal story of a fight between young girls from rival gangs’, far-right posters took to social media to try and blame it all on Islam.

A handful of protesters even turned up at the park wearing bikinis on an equally cold day, saying they insisted on their ‘right to wear a bikini’. 



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175959/Girl-gang-attacks-immoral-sunbat...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #410 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:24pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Quote:
The police officer added: ‘As is clear from the statement of the victim and those implicated, there is no element of a religious or moral element which explains the aggression.’

Despite other police sources telling AFP, France’s national news agency, that it was a ‘banal story of a fight between young girls from rival gangs’, far-right posters took to social media to try and blame it all on Islam.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175959/Girl-gang-attacks-immoral-sunbat...


That would make you far right wing I believe Sprint.
Hows about that bet?!
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #411 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 7:46pm
 

Quote:
............One of the group is reported to have shouted at the woman for ‘immorally’ exposing so much flesh in public.......

..................In 2010 Germany’s Angela Merkel conceded that her country’s multicultural society had ‘failed’ while a number of French politicians have complained about the growing influence of radical Islam...........

..............while 60 per cent in both countries said the reason for the problem is Muslims’ own ‘refusal’ to integrate...............
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #412 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 7:46pm:
Quote:
............One of the group is reported to have shouted at the woman for ‘immorally’ exposing so much flesh in public.......

..................In 2010 Germany’s Angela Merkel conceded that her country’s multicultural society had ‘failed’ while a number of French politicians have complained about the growing influence of radical Islam...........

..............while 60 per cent in both countries said the reason for the problem is Muslims’ own ‘refusal’ to integrate...............


Your ability to ignore clear definite statements while focusing on irrelevant quotes is truly impressive. Smiley

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #413 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:30pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from  God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?



If you condemn the totality of a religion because not all followers follow all tenants you must condemn all religions. i look forward to debating you on a christianity exposed thread Grin

Islam = submit
Christianity - love
Judaism = observe the law
Buddhism - give up
Hinduism = ??


The question is - can you live up to these tenets.

Living up to submission - easy. Don't think, do it our way.
Love - hard
Law - hard
Resignation - hard


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #414 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #415 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Yes, in the Orwellian double-speak sense, I am sure they think like that.

How about Muslims looking at Islam NON-ISLAMICALLY and see if it makes sense from a non-submissive perspective?

Can they do that without being killed?

The Danish cartoons and Charlie Hebdo and Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh and etc, etc -  any number of murders of apostates and critics says they cannot possibly do it.

You have a massive army of murderous Muslims in reserve who can be whipped into a mindless Islamic frenzy.  You may be all sweetness and reason but you are absolutely and completely irrelevant and ineffectual WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. You don't matter in the practical sense.

The crazy Muslims take as much notice of you as they do of me. You are nothing but an ashtray on a motorbike.
Completely useless because completely impractical and ineffectual among your own faith community.






Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #416 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:01pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Grin Grin Grin

Islam has nuffin to do with Islam OR Muslims.

Mohammed, Koran, hadith, - all irrelevant and have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


You actually do not realise how stupid you sound.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #417 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it.  Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody  deeds.





Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36389
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #418 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it.  Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody  deeds.








Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?

The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently. It represents very much as a religion of peace.

The reason we have extremists in this country is as a response to foreign policy .. which even you, surely, must admit leaves much to be desired. Couple that with an aggressive media and an overall condemnation publicly of all things Islam then you are going to get some shirty, disenfranchised people.

The root of the problem is not Islam.  Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia.

You are looking for the wrong common denominator. Simple logic tells you that. What is the difference between countries that are troubled and countries that aren't?

It isn't Islam.                        
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #419 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:31am
 
Not exactly, Mother. They’re the tinted races. White man’s burden, innit.

Carpetbomb them.

Say that, and the old boy will agree.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36389
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #420 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:33am
 
Big Donger wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:31am:
Not exactly, Mother. They’re the tinted races. White man’s burden, innit.

Carpetbomb them.

Say that, and the old boy will agree.


But i don't want the old boy to agree with me.

He's a damn Scando.
Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #421 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:37am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:30pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at  Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from  God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?



If you condemn the totality of a religion because not all followers follow all tenants you must condemn all religions. i look forward to debating you on a christianity exposed thread Grin

Islam = submit
Christianity - love
Judaism = observe the law
Buddhism - give up
Hinduism = ??


The question is - can you live up to these tenets.

Living up to submission - easy. Don't think, do it our way.
Love - hard
Law - hard
Resignation - hard




Now now, old boy, there’s no need to put your artwork up here. We’re British.

Besides, you gave up faecal-painting when Mormor told you off, remember?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #422 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:40am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:33am:
Big Donger wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:31am:
Not exactly, Mother. They’re the tinted races. White man’s burden, innit.

Carpetbomb them.

Say that, and the old boy will agree.


But i don't want the old boy to agree with me.

He's a damn Scando.


Then you’ve given him the perfect post. White man’s burden, the soft bigotry of low expectations, correlation not causation. The old boy will say all that and more.

Post number 3, I believe.

But who’s counting?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mothra
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36389
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #423 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:45am
 
See? Now i feel all deflated and Soren hasn't even had a look in.

Back to top
 

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #424 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:37am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am:
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it.  Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody  deeds.








Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?

The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently. It represents very much as a religion of peace.

The reason we have extremists in this country is as a response to foreign policy .. which even you, surely, must admit leaves much to be desired. Couple that with an aggressive media and an overall condemnation publicly of all things Islam then you are going to get some shirty, disenfranchised people.

The root of the problem is not Islam.  Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia.

You are looking for the wrong common denominator. Simple logic tells you that. What is the difference between countries that are troubled and countries that aren't?

It isn't Islam.                        



Quote:
..........In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently........


I disagree.
In 100% islamic countries there are no battles against us infidels.
Because there are none there.
there are hand chopped off and public beheadings for various crimes.

in every other country islam causes problems.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Lord Herbert
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 34441
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #425 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:49am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?


Grin Grin Grin

Own goal!

Of course it's the 'ultimate freedom'!

Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.

The Nazi's pleaded the same thing at the Nuremberg Trials: "Nicht schuldig!" - 'Not Guilty' of personal responsibility for crimes committed because they were only following orders ... Their actions had been sponsored and sanctioned by Nazi doctrine.

It's the cowards excuse.

'Submit to Islam' - and behave how the bugger you like - but first make sure you can quote a piece from the Sacred Text of Islam to cover your arse.

Just try being an apostate in some parts of the Islamosphere ... It soon becomes apparent why 'submitting to Islam' provides a wonderful 'freedom' from all sorts of persecution, death-threats, stone-throwing, etc. Damn right there's 'freedom' in submitting to Islam.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 31st, 2015 at 8:10am by Lord Herbert »  
 
IP Logged
 
Lord Herbert
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 34441
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #426 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 8:09am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:37am:
... in every other country islam causes problems.


link



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #427 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 8:31am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:49am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?


Grin Grin Grin

Own goal!

Of course it's the 'ultimate freedom'!

Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.
The Nazi's pleaded the same thing at the Nuremberg Trials: "Nicht schuldig!" - 'Not Guilty' of personal responsibility for crimes committed because they were only following orders ... Their actions had been sponsored and sanctioned by Nazi doctrine.

It's the cowards excuse.

'Submit to Islam' - and behave how the bugger you like - but first make sure you can quote a piece from the Sacred Text of Islam to cover your arse.

Just try being an apostate in some parts of the Islamosphere ... It soon becomes apparent why 'submitting to Islam' provides a wonderful 'freedom' from all sorts of persecution, death-threats, stone-throwing, etc. Damn right there's 'freedom' in submitting to Islam.



Quote:
..........Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.............


yes, submit to the whims of a sex addicted war lord .

........or get your head lopped off.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #428 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:03am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am:
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it.  Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody  deeds.








Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?

The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently. It represents very much as a religion of peace.

The reason we have extremists in this country is as a response to foreign policy .. which even you, surely, must admit leaves much to be desired. Couple that with an aggressive media and an overall condemnation publicly of all things Islam then you are going to get some shirty, disenfranchised people.

The root of the problem is not Islam.  Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia.

You are looking for the wrong common denominator. Simple logic tells you that. What is the difference between countries that are troubled and countries that aren't?

It isn't Islam.                        

Cheesy

Yeah, and neither the Crusades nor the Reformation or the Counter-Reformation or the Thirty Years war had anything to do with Christianity.
The sunni shia schisms since the murder of the early caliphs has nothing to do with Islam. Neither the iranian revolution nor the islamic State have anything to do with islam.

Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin' to do wiv Allah.

It's ALL outside interference.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #429 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:13am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am:
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it.  Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody  deeds.








Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

Like the rest of the world. And not 'largely fuelled and financed by outside interests'. Who were the outsiders that financed the expansion of the Ottoman Empire, say?

Quote:
What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

yeah, long term internal struggle for power - see sunni shia schism from the day after Mohammed's death.

Quote:
So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?
The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

How come we have, after 1400 years of peace and harmony, still so many tribal warlords? because the Islam is peace is nonsense . Islam has always been fractious and riven.


Quote:
The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.



And a very good tool it is indeed., no? Lots of verses to support fight to the death against those you disagree with. n The tribal warlords' ideal tool, what?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #430 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:34am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am:
  ................The root of the problem is not Islam.  Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia..............                        


take out islam and islamic terrorism does not exist.

islam is centred in terrorism in sydney, melbourne.
Terrorist plans thwarted in sydney, melbourne, brisbane.
In the last dawn parade the soldiers did not bear arms, due to islam.

islam is a terrorist cult
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #431 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:15am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 8:09am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:37am:
... in every other country islam causes problems.


link


Do Muslims in the UK have rights not to be persecuted for their religion?

Who perpetuates most anti-Semitic attacks in the UK, Muslims or non-Muslims?

Sensei, your bait is old, flappy and tired.  It will not attract any prey.  Time for fresh bait!    Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #432 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:50am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Yes, in the Orwellian double-speak sense, I am sure they think like that.

How about Muslims looking at Islam NON-ISLAMICALLY and see if it makes sense from a non-submissive perspective?

Can they do that without being killed?

The Danish cartoons and Charlie Hebdo and Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh and etc, etc -  any number of murders of apostates and critics says they cannot possibly do it.

You have a massive army of murderous Muslims in reserve who can be whipped into a mindless Islamic frenzy.  You may be all sweetness and reason but you are absolutely and completely irrelevant and ineffectual WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. You don't matter in the practical sense.

The crazy Muslims take as much notice of you as they do of me. You are nothing but an ashtray on a motorbike.
Completely useless because completely impractical and ineffectual among your own faith community.


The 'Orwellian sense' is a level of consciousness that is only on the material/temporal level: humans who behave like robots purely out of fear of other humans. There is a whole other level of consciousness that you seem to not even be aware of - or rather if you are, you stubbornly refuse to accept that muslims can enter it: the spiritual level. A level where man is not slave to the whims and desires of man. You are only capable of understanding Islam on the superficial/temporal level - because you yourself are stuck at this level. Its evident in the way you berate women for choosing clothing that doesn't conform to your ideal. And the knuckeheads who proclaim the highest level of religious piety by hacking heads off people who don't conform to their ideal - are just as shallow. And these are the only people you look to when you think of "Islamic submission" - people who are slaves to human whims and desires - just like you. But there is a whole other level that all religions strive for, not just Islam - and it is complete freedom from having your life ruled by other humans (whether by force or desire). The ultimate freedom.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #433 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:22pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:34am:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:10am:
  ................The root of the problem is not Islam.  Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia..............                        


take out islam and islamic terrorism does not exist.

islam is centred in terrorism in sydney, melbourne.
Terrorist plans thwarted in sydney, melbourne, brisbane.
In the last dawn parade the soldiers did not bear arms, due to islam.

islam is a terrorist cult



But you still wont accept my bet will you Sprint?
You keep jumping up and down about the dangers of terrorism while understanding that it presents no practical threat to anyone in western civilization.   I guess you must need some attention !

So hows about that bet?

Anyone killed by an Islamic extremist in the western world vs someone murdered by a random in Australia.

Australia is one of the least violent countries in the world vs 1.5 billion crazy moslems!

If an extreme islamic attack in the west happens first I will shut up and cease attacking you right wing donkey's, If a murder unrelated to extreme islam happens in terra australis then you shut up.

I extend this invitation to Sprint, Yadda, Moses and all the other donkey riders here.

You all claim that Islam presents a threat, I bet you don't have the stones to gamble your collective soap boxes on it.

The bet is valid as soon as anyone from the opposing view accepts it.

Of course , if you wont accept the bet I guess that would imply that you do understand how rare a terrorist incident is. which would raise the question why your so loud about something so unimportant? maybe because you have nothing else to contribute? 
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #434 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
Just a quick look at homicide stats. Can't find anything for the latest year, but there were 430 homicides (is this the same as murder??) in Australia in 2013. Assuming the rate is comparable today - that is well over 1 per day - in which case your bet has in all likelihood already been won. Its likely there were several murders in the few days in Australia alone since you first made the bet - and no terrorist fatalities that I have heard of anywhere in the west.

Not to mention the mostly far larger rates of (non-Islamic) murder rates everywhere else in the west.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #435 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:30pm
 
Quote:
Date Country City/State Killed Injured Description
6/24/2015 Egypt Suez 1 0 A Christian is found shot twice in the chest after resisting pressure to convert to Islam.
6/22/2015 Syria Izra 4 3 Four people are torn apart by a Sunni car bomb blast at the entrance to a Christian town.
6/18/2015 Nigeria Wakama 2 0 Muslims shoot an Anglican pastor and a 9-year-old boy to death.
6/17/2015 Uganda Nabuli 1 0 A mother of eleven is poisoned by her own family after leaving Islam for Christianity.
5/26/2015 Iraq Nimrud 1 0 An 80-Year-Old Christian woman is burned alive for failing to comply with Sharia restrictions.
5/24/2015 Nigeria Benue 96 0 Ninety-six are confirmed dead following a church-burning spree by militant Muslims.
5/19/2015 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 27 0 Fulani terrorists massacre twenty-seven residents in overnight attacks on two Christian villages.
5/2/2015 Nigeria Foron 2 0 Militant Muslims gun down a pastor and a female member of his congregation.
5/2/2015 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 27 0 Twenty-seven Christians are slaughtered by Muslim raiders.
5/2/2015 Nigeria Vat 17 0 Muslim terrorists shoot seventeen Christians to death.
5/2/2015 Nigeria Zakupang 13 0 Women and children comprise the bulk of thirteen Christians cut down by Muslim militants.
5/1/2015 Egypt Sohag 1 0 A Coptic man is abducted and murdered by Muslims.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #436 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:36pm
 

Quote:
Makurdi - The Catholic Church stressess a gloomy picture of the situation in the state of Benue, in central Nigeria: the social and religious crisis that crosses the region, more than 70 churches have been destroyed, and thousands of people, especially in remote villages, are left without a place of worship. This was reported in a note sent to Fides Agency by Felix Apine, Coordinator of the Commission "Justice, Development and Peace" of the Diocese of Makurdi, Benue state capital. The note informs that 30 churches that were in the western Gwer area have been burned or completely destroyed, and the faithful have fled to other villages. Another 40 have been razed to the ground in the area of Guma. The destruction also touches some primary and secondary schools belonging to the diocese, while volunteers and catechists are patrolling different areas in order to assess the damage.The Christian Protestant Archbishop Yiman Orkwar, President of the "Christian Association of Nigeria," confirming the destruction of churches and schools, said that the budget of the destroyed buildings could still rise. In the state of Benue, breeders belonging to the Fulani ethnic group, mostly Muslims, have attacked villages inhabited by ethnic Tiv farmers, mostly Christians.On the recent escalation of attacks by Fulani farmers to Tiv, causing over 30 deaths, the Archbishop noted "with dismay the destruction of lives and property, by Fulani herdsmen and unknown men, with sophisticated weaponry." What is happening to Christians "are not mere accidents, but is the result of the work of Boko Haram jihadists and Fulani jihadists," he said, calling the institutions to defend the population. "We are not dealing with clashes - he said - but attacks suffered by Christian farmers."


http://www.news.va/en/news/africanigeria-more-than-70-churches-destroyed-in-t
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #437 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:45pm
 

Quote:
.........Muslim herdsmen also launched attacks on Monday (11th May) in Plateau state’s Riyom LGA, a source told Morning Star News in a text message.

“The jihadists, in their quest to eliminate Christians in Plateau state and their thirst for blood, have succeeded in killing Christians and burning their houses,” wrote Gyang, whose full name is withheld for his protection, on Monday. “They are right now attacking Rim, Bangai, Gwon, Wereng, Ringya and Sopp.”

Those attacks left seven Christians dead, he said on Thursday (14th May).

In the Barkin Ladi LGA, he said a “mass burial” took place in Foron on 4th May for 27 Christians killed on 2nd May. Another area source confirmed the deaths.

“I was at the burial of the Christians killed in the Foron attack, and we counted 27 corpses,” he told Morning Star News.

In two other attacks in the area that day, 17 Christians were killed in Vat village, and 13 other Christians were slain in Zakupang, sources said. The victims included women and children...........

.............Five Christians were killed in the attack on Shonong village; one was killed in Torok; two were killed in Kapwen; and two were killed in Rim village, he said.

Christians in Barkin Ladi and Riyom have faced increasing attacks from Muslim militants and Muslim Fulani herdsmen in the past decade...............

..................Church leaders say attacks on Christian communities by the herdsmen constitute a war “by Islam to eliminate Christianity” in Nigeria. Christians make up 51.3 per cent of Nigeria’s population of 158.2 million, while Muslims account for 45 per cent and live mainly in the north.

Ethnic Fulani gunmen shouting the jihadist chant “Allahu Akbar” attacked three villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state in September, burning down a church building and killing at least 10 Christians.


http://www.sightmagazine.com.au/stories/nigeria15.5.15.php
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #438 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:49pm
 

Quote:
On their way to Friday prayers at their mosque in Lahore, two young Muslims stopped a 14-year-old boy and asked him what religion he belonged to. When he said he was Christian, they beat him up, threw kerosene on him, and set him ablaze.

The boy, known only as Nuaman, suffered burns covering 55% of his body and is now being treated at Meo Hospital in Lahore in Punjab province.

“I told them that I am Christian. They started beating me, when I tried running, both boys started following me through the street and then they threw Kerosene on me and burnt me,” Nuaman said.

“I kept on running when a heap of sand came my way, I lied down on the sand. … [A] few people from the community … [extinguished] fire by putting sand on me. I became unconscious, and they called 1122 Emergency medical helpline and called [for] an ambulance.”

The boy, who lives with his paternal uncle, was coming from a tailor shop when he was assaulted. He stated that he does not know the names of his assailants but can identify their faces.

Friday’s incident followed on the heels of another burning three weeks ago, when seventeen-year-old Sunny Masih, a Christian and resident of Sheikhupura District, was seized by a Muslim mob, beaten and thrown into a flaming kiln. The young man somehow survived the March 20 attack, though he suffered severe burns.

Reports suggest that Friday’s attack could be a result of heightened inter-religious tensions in Pakistan, after Christians lynched two suspected terrorists following the bombing of two churches in the same city.

A Pakistani branch of the Taliban planted and detonated bombs outside two Christian churches in Lahore on March 15 during Sunday morning services. The blasts killed 17 people and wounded another 80.

After the attacks, thousands of Christians erupted in revolt on the streets of Lahore, demanding more protection from the government, which by many accounts had been minimal.

Afterward, police took two suspected terrorists into custody, but they were intercepted by a mob of protesters, who seized the prisoners, beat them to death, and burned them.

After the lynching incident, Muslim hostilities against the Christian minority have increased, reports say. Christians make up roughly 2 percent of Pakistan’s more than 182 million people and have been the targets of increasingly intense violence


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/04/13/two-muslims-set-fire-to-14...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #439 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:53pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Just a quick look at homicide stats. Can't find anything for the latest year, but there were 430 homicides (is this the same as murder??) in Australia in 2013. Assuming the rate is comparable today - that is well over 1 per day - in which case your bet has in all likelihood already been won. Its likely there were several murders in the few days in Australia alone since you first made the bet - and no terrorist fatalities that I have heard of anywhere in the west.

Not to mention the mostly far larger rates of (non-Islamic) murder rates everywhere else in the west.

[size=16][/size]

Thats why no one will take the bet, or even acknowledge it. because the stones on them be crazy small Wink.
There are as many people murdered each year in america as killed by extremists in the whole world. does anyone bring up the implacable death cult of america? or would that be too rational?





Cmon people, the world is full of these murderous death cultists~ at least thats what you state. Prove you believe what you say, and are not just crying wolf for attention. otherwise ill think that not only do you disseminate lies, you also know they are lies.



hhhheeelllloooo fruit up or shut up haters
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #440 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:14pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Just a quick look at homicide stats. Can't find anything for the latest year, but there were 430 homicides (is this the same as murder??) in Australia in 2013. Assuming the rate is comparable today - that is well over 1 per day - in which case your bet has in all likelihood already been won. Its likely there were several murders in the few days in Australia alone since you first made the bet - and no terrorist fatalities that I have heard of anywhere in the west.

Not to mention the mostly far larger rates of (non-Islamic) murder rates everywhere else in the west.

[size=16][/size]

Thats why no one will take the bet, or even acknowledge it. because the stones on them be crazy small Wink.
There are as many people murdered each year in america as killed by extremists in the whole world. does anyone bring up the implacable death cult of america? or would that be too rational?





Cmon people, the world is full of these murderous death cultists~ at least thats what you state. Prove you believe what you say, and are not just crying wolf for attention. otherwise ill think that not only do you disseminate lies, you also know they are lies.



hhhheeelllloooo fruit up or shut up haters


pho - your comments are illogical and nonsensical
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #441 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:20pm
 
I assumed this thread was a logic free zone.

So Sprint,

How about that bet?

The whole western world Vs tiny Australia

Since we are surrounded by 1.5 billion evil death cult moslems you stand a very high chance of winning.
Unless of course you accept that Evil death cult of Islam your so worried about doesn't actually present a realistic threat to anyone in the west.

Fruit up or shut up !

I'm happy to back my statements with consequential actions, and the bet was your idea-probably the best one you've had on this site!
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #442 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:50am:
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Yes, in the Orwellian double-speak sense, I am sure they think like that.

How about Muslims looking at Islam NON-ISLAMICALLY and see if it makes sense from a non-submissive perspective?

Can they do that without being killed?

The Danish cartoons and Charlie Hebdo and Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh and etc, etc -  any number of murders of apostates and critics says they cannot possibly do it.

You have a massive army of murderous Muslims in reserve who can be whipped into a mindless Islamic frenzy.  You may be all sweetness and reason but you are absolutely and completely irrelevant and ineffectual WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. You don't matter in the practical sense.

The crazy Muslims take as much notice of you as they do of me. You are nothing but an ashtray on a motorbike.
Completely useless because completely impractical and ineffectual among your own faith community.


The 'Orwellian sense' is a level of consciousness that is only on the material/temporal level: humans who behave like robots purely out of fear of other humans. There is a whole other level of consciousness that you seem to not even be aware of - or rather if you are, you stubbornly refuse to accept that muslims can enter it: the spiritual level. A level where man is not slave to the whims and desires of man. You are only capable of understanding Islam on the superficial/temporal level - because you yourself are stuck at this level. Its evident in the way you berate women for choosing clothing that doesn't conform to your ideal. And the knuckeheads who proclaim the highest level of religious piety by hacking heads off people who don't conform to their ideal - are just as shallow. And these are the only people you look to when you think of "Islamic submission" - people who are slaves to human whims and desires - just like you. But there is a whole other level that all religions strive for, not just Islam - and it is complete freedom from having your life ruled by other humans (whether by force or desire). The ultimate freedom.



This is Islamic fatalism.


By the way, behaving like robots out of fear of other humans - a very Muslim thing in light of the unforgiving apostasy laws and customs of Islam.



Q: As a non Muslim, I find myself Intrigued and attracted to your faith. However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking( Salman Rushdie). I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can?



A: In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.
http://islamqa.info/en/20327

Oh, and these guys insist that the hijab is obligatory.
http://islamqa.info/en/93145
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #443 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm:
islamqa


Now you're getting a sense of the crap that I'm up against.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #444 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:50am:
Soren wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Yes, in the Orwellian double-speak sense, I am sure they think like that.

How about Muslims looking at Islam NON-ISLAMICALLY and see if it makes sense from a non-submissive perspective?

Can they do that without being killed?

The Danish cartoons and Charlie Hebdo and Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh and etc, etc -  any number of murders of apostates and critics says they cannot possibly do it.

You have a massive army of murderous Muslims in reserve who can be whipped into a mindless Islamic frenzy.  You may be all sweetness and reason but you are absolutely and completely irrelevant and ineffectual WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. You don't matter in the practical sense.

The crazy Muslims take as much notice of you as they do of me. You are nothing but an ashtray on a motorbike.
Completely useless because completely impractical and ineffectual among your own faith community.


The 'Orwellian sense' is a level of consciousness that is only on the material/temporal level: humans who behave like robots purely out of fear of other humans. There is a whole other level of consciousness that you seem to not even be aware of - or rather if you are, you stubbornly refuse to accept that muslims can enter it: the spiritual level. A level where man is not slave to the whims and desires of man. You are only capable of understanding Islam on the superficial/temporal level - because you yourself are stuck at this level. Its evident in the way you berate women for choosing clothing that doesn't conform to your ideal. And the knuckeheads who proclaim the highest level of religious piety by hacking heads off people who don't conform to their ideal - are just as shallow. And these are the only people you look to when you think of "Islamic submission" - people who are slaves to human whims and desires - just like you. But there is a whole other level that all religions strive for, not just Islam - and it is complete freedom from having your life ruled by other humans (whether by force or desire). The ultimate freedom.



This is Islamic fatalism.


No, it’s the fatalism of all religions, which are centred, after all, around the question of death.

You will never fully understand a religion by merely reading about it. All religions require practice to take effect. This is the point of all that praying and genuflecting and good works, etc. Reading a book doesn’t shape you - devotion and action do.

Note G’s use of "all religions". G is not talking here of submission to Islam, but to spiritual practice. If you don’t dedicate your life to a spiritual purpose, you will get few spiritual results, if any.

Therein lies the very point of Islam, and this is a point lost just as much on the numpties as the knuckleheads. The real purpose of Islam, as it is at the core of every other religion, lies within. We have just found different ways to express this throughout the ages. And yes, an over-reliance on dogma at various historical junctures has caused many to miss the point: just as the numpties have, just as you have yourself, dear boy.

The point? The Kingdom lies within. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

A cursory reading of religious texts is neither here nor there. Submission - or devotion - is fundamental to spiritual evolution.

Gud is great, no?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #445 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:01pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:59pm:
No, it’s the fatalism of all religions, which are centred, after all, around the question of death.

You will never fully understand a religion by merely reading about it. All religions require practice to take effect. This is the point of all that praying and genuflecting and good works, etc. Reading a book doesn’t shape you - devotion and action do.

Note G’s use of "all religions". G is not talking here of submission to Islam, but to spiritual practice. If you don’t dedicate your life to a spiritual purpose, you will get few spiritual results, if any.

Therein lies the very point of Islam, and this is a point lost just as much on the numpties as the knuckleheads. The real purpose of Islam, as it is at the core of every other religion, lies within. We have just found different ways to express this throughout the ages. And yes, an over-reliance on dogma at various historical junctures has caused many to miss the point: just as the numpties have, just as you have yourself, dear boy.

The point? The Kingdom lies within. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

A cursory reading of religious texts is neither here nor there. Submission - or devotion - is fundamental to spiritual evolution.

Gud is great, no?


See even you know the difference but argue otherwise. Submission is not devotion.


The difference is in purpose and purposefulness.

There is no knowing Allah. Allah is not accessible to reason, there is no grace, there is no personal relationship.
A good Christian is a dutiful, loving son who is loved in return.
A good Muslim is a slave.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:07pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #446 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:01pm:
Submission is not devotion.


In Islam, yes it is. But perhaps its a simple matter of mistranslation.

https://translate.google.com/#en/ar/submission

the arabic word here 'tasleem' is from the same root word that we get 'Islam'. Note the synonyms for this word:
     
Quote:
delivery, submission, surrender, transmission, acceptance, acknowledgement


now contrast this with the meaning of other words for 'submission':

Quote:
خنوع
subservience, servility, submission, meekness


and

Quote:
خضوع
submission, subordination, subjection, yielding, surrender, vassalage


The two latter words are what you mean when you talk about 'submission'. They are clearly different in meaning to the s-l-m (Islam) root word, which actually translates as "acceptance" and "acknowledgement"
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #447 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:20pm
 
I see that muslims and their apologists are trying to excuse islamic degeneracy by using homicide stats as proof that islam is peaceful, doesn't mean what it says etc.

They are relying on the fact that homicide exists in all societies in a lot of different ways, premeditated, accidental, justifiable, involuntary crime of passion etc etc.

The stats are based on the number of homicides per a given number of citizens.

Australian Bureau of Statistics tells us that The murder victimisation rate has remained steady across the past four years at 1.1 victims per 100,000 person

Therefore if there are about twenty three million non muslims in this country while there are about four hundred thousand muslims. Of course the non muslims are going to have a murder rate about 58 times greater than the muslims going on population figures alone.

So once again the apologists and the muslims are disingenuously trying to stifle debate about the dangers of muslims.

There has been one Australian muslim man take his primary school aged kid overseas to participate in islamic beheading, he then posted the pictures on the internet to show his obedience to islam.

If the muslims and the apologists can show me 58 non muslims who have carried out the same degenerate actions as this muslim I will recant every single anti islam post I've ever made.

If the muslims and the apologists can't show me 58 non muslims who have committed the same kind of atrocities, do they have the balls to withdraw every single excuse and apology they have made?

There has been at least two muslim women who have gone overseas to participate in islamic atrocities.

Same deal show me 116 non muslim women who have committed the same kind of atrocity I'll withdraw and relinquish all my anti islamic views.

Does any muslim or apologist have the guts to accept the challenge, if you can't provide proof of 116 non muslim women committing the same kind of depravity, will they stop making excuses and apologies for islam?

There has been one muslim hold hostages at the lindt cafe while proclaiming the shahada.

Again I offer the same deal can the muslims and their apologists show me 58 non muslims committing the same kind of depravity?

I'll even double your chances of winning and double my chances of losing, don't find 58 half will do, find 29 non muslims per muslim in each case, who have performed such depraved acts as the muslims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #448 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Moses are you saying that run-of-the-mill murder does not class as "degenerate" behaviour?

Would you please clarify for me - taking your kids overseas to participate in beheadings is degenerate (no arguments), but beating your wife to death in front of your kids is not?

I'm fairly sure there would be a lot more than 58 instances of what most reasonable-minded people would judge "degenerate" behaviour by non-muslim Australians (domestic violence death rates would comfortably cover that). But I think its important for you to explain moses, what you think constitutes "degenerate behaviour". Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like you are trivialising it by limiting it exclusively to murders by muslims.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #449 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
I thought I made my self pretty plain Gandalf.

I said: **They are relying on the fact that homicide exists in all societies in a lot of different ways, premeditated, accidental, justifiable, involuntary crime of passion etc etc.

The stats are based on the number of homicides per a given number of citizens.**

You would have noticed there is absolutely nothing to indicate what level of heinousness is attributed to murder.

There is a statement that homicides are grouped into statistics.

There is a link to Australian Bureau of Statistics calculations for the number of Australian homicides per 100,000 people.

I then state that there about 23,000,000 non muslims in Australia compared to approximately 400,000 muslims, (muslims are outnumbered approximately 58 to 1 ) therefore non muslims would have have the highest rate of homicide in the country basedon population figures alone.

There is no mention at all of the level of barbarity attributed to murder.

I would have thought that utter abhorrence would be a given when people talk about murder.

I then went on to give descriptions of actual deeds committed by Australian muslims, I then challenged muslims and their apologists to give to give 58 examples of non muslims committing the same atrocites that said islamic examples performed.

So I think it's abundantly clear that all murder is hideously repugnant, what is particularly offensive and obscenely repulsive is the level of human rights atrocities committed by muslims in accordance with their qur'an and ideology.

Clear enough for you Gandalf?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #450 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
Sounds a bit cloudy to me, Moses. Sounds suspiciously like you’re excusing non-Muslim murder.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #451 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Clear enough for you Gandalf?


Not really.

You demand we come up with 58 non-muslim atrocities of "the same kind of depravity" as the beheading family. Does that mean literally 58 cases of non-muslims beheading? Or would you accept any old run-of-the-mill murder. Since as you yourself say, "there is no mention at all of the level of barbarity attributed to murder."

So again I ask, would 58 separate incidents of non-muslim Australian men beating their wives to death work for you? Would that at least convince you that non-muslim men pose at least as great a threat to our society as muslim men?

Surely you would agree that drunken non-muslim men beating to death innocent Australian women pose more of a threat to Australian women - than do muslim men beheading Syrian soldiers in Syria - no?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #452 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 10:06pm
 
I've already said that 23,000,000 people will commit more homicide that 400,000.

However unlike the qur'an if I said same type of crime I mean same type of crime.

same: Having exactly identical identity or relevant properties.

So I'm asking for you to give 58 examples where non muslims are committing the same type of crimes.

The courts and our legal system recognize different degrees of homicide, most people agree with this. There can be premeditated homicide, accidental homicide, etc.etc.

Differing sentences are handed out based on this system.

Therefore some are legally considered worse than others.

For my mind muslims who murder people as a religious requirement, are as revoltingly evil, as the worst of the worst murderers in our society.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #453 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 10:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:17pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 5:01pm:
Submission is not devotion.


In Islam, yes it is. But perhaps its a simple matter of mistranslation.

https://translate.google.com/#en/ar/submission

the arabic word here 'tasleem' is from the same root word that we get 'Islam'. Note the synonyms for this word:
     
Quote:
delivery, submission, surrender, transmission, acceptance, acknowledgement


now contrast this with the meaning of other words for 'submission':

Quote:
خنوع
subservience, servility, submission, meekness


and

Quote:
خضوع
submission, subordination, subjection, yielding, surrender, vassalage


The two latter words are what you mean when you talk about 'submission'. They are clearly different in meaning to the s-l-m (Islam) root word, which actually translates as "acceptance" and "acknowledgement"

Still blind slavery and not a loving relationship.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #454 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:50pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm:
islamqa


Now you're getting a sense of the crap that I'm up against.

Your people, Gandy.

Don't look at me.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #455 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 3:11am
 
moses wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 10:06pm:
I've already said that 23,000,000 people will commit more homicide that 400,000.

However unlike the qur'an if I said same type of crime I mean same type of crime.

same: Having exactly identical identity or relevant properties.

So I'm asking for you to give 58 examples where non muslims are committing the same type of crimes.

The courts and our legal system recognize different degrees of homicide, most people agree with this. There can be premeditated homicide, accidental homicide, etc.etc.

Differing sentences are handed out based on this system.

Therefore some are legally considered worse than others.

For my mind muslims who murder people as a religious requirement, are as revoltingly evil, as the worst of the worst murderers in our society.   


You can’t argue with that, G. More Muslims behead people (apart from trophy killers, serial killers, cannibals, tribal feuds, one-off drunken murders, vengeful wives, and every other tabloid beheading published daily).
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #456 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 9:44am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:05pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:50pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm:
islamqa


Now you're getting a sense of the crap that I'm up against.

Your people, Gandy.

Don't look at me.



So you can rabbit on all day every day about Islam is this, Islam is that - but as soon as I start to refute what you say, you simply throw your hands up and say "don't look at me". Is that how it works?

If I started making up lies about whatever it is that you believe in, do you think its reasonable for me to jump to the same defense as soon as you objected to those lies?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #457 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 9:51am
 
moses wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 10:06pm:
I've already said that 23,000,000 people will commit more homicide that 400,000.

However unlike the qur'an if I said same type of crime I mean same type of crime.

same: Having exactly identical identity or relevant properties.

So I'm asking for you to give 58 examples where non muslims are committing the same type of crimes.

The courts and our legal system recognize different degrees of homicide, most people agree with this. There can be premeditated homicide, accidental homicide, etc.etc.

Differing sentences are handed out based on this system.

Therefore some are legally considered worse than others.

For my mind muslims who murder people as a religious requirement, are as revoltingly evil, as the worst of the worst murderers in our society.   


Actually, my personal view is that militants killing and beheading soldiers of an authoritarian regime who are widely perceived as responsible for atrocities against civilians - would sit at the very mild end of the 'degeneracy' spectrum. What do you think moses - was that really the best example to use do you think?

So two points about this particular example that remain relevant:

1. morally - I actually don't think it is "worse" than a man beating his wife to death

2. in terms of the threat posed by muslims in the west - you really couldn't have picked a worse example - these beheaders are leaving the west to hunt down and kill other non-westerners. How can you possibly say these people pose more of a threat to wife killers or other murderers in Australia?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #458 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 11:57am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 9:44am:
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:05pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 3:50pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm:
islamqa


Now you're getting a sense of the crap that I'm up against.

Your people, Gandy.

Don't look at me.



So you can rabbit on all day every day about Islam is this, Islam is that - but as soon as I start to refute what you say, you simply throw your hands up and say "don't look at me". Is that how it works?

If I started making up lies about whatever it is that you believe in, do you think its reasonable for me to jump to the same defense as soon as you objected to those lies?

islamqa is an Islamic advice site, so talk to them if you disagree with what they post.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #459 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
Gandalf wrote: Quote:
Actually, my personal view is that militants killing and beheading soldiers of an authoritarian regime who are widely perceived as responsible for atrocities against civilians - would sit at the very mild end of the 'degeneracy' spectrum. What do you think moses - was that really the best example to use do you think?

So two points about this particular example that remain relevant:

1. morally - I actually don't think it is "worse" than a man beating his wife to death

2. in terms of the threat posed by muslims in the west - you really couldn't have picked a worse example - these beheaders are leaving the west to hunt down and kill other non-westerners. How can you possibly say these people pose more of a threat to wife killers or other murderers in Australia?


What don't you understand about my statement:

Quote:
The courts and our legal system recognize different degrees of homicide, most people agree with this. There can be premeditated homicide, accidental homicide, etc.etc.

Differing sentences are handed out based on this system.

Therefore some are legally considered worse than others.


If you don't like it, take it up with our state and federal governments and courts.

I also stated

Quote:
For my mind muslims who murder people as a religious requirement, are as revoltingly evil, as the worst of the worst murderers in our society.


I stand by this absolutely, muslims torturing and murdering innocent men, women and children because their cult, satanic deity, depraved prophet and handbook of perversion and atrocities (qur'an) tell them to do it, these muslims are among the most evil revolting people on this earth.

All you're desperately trying to do is squirm away from what I first wrote:


Quote:
So once again the apologists and the muslims are disingenuously trying to stifle debate about the dangers of muslims.

There has been one Australian muslim man take his primary school aged kid overseas to participate in islamic beheading, he then posted the pictures on the internet to show his obedience to islam.

If the muslims and the apologists can show me 58 non muslims who have carried out the same degenerate actions as this muslim I will recant every single anti islam post I've ever made.

If the muslims and the apologists can't show me 58 non muslims who have committed the same kind of atrocities, do they have the balls to withdraw every single excuse and apology they have made?

There has been at least two muslim women who have gone overseas to participate in islamic atrocities.

Same deal show me 116 non muslim women who have committed the same kind of atrocity I'll withdraw and relinquish all my anti islamic views.

Does any muslim or apologist have the guts to accept the challenge, if you can't provide proof of 116 non muslim women committing the same kind of depravity, will they stop making excuses and apologies for islam?

There has been one muslim hold hostages at the lindt cafe while proclaiming the shahada.

Again I offer the same deal can the muslims and their apologists show me 58 non muslims committing the same kind of depravity?

I'll even double your chances of winning and double my chances of losing, don't find 58 half will do, find 29 non muslims per muslim in each case, who have performed such depraved acts as the muslims.


The challenge still stands Gandalf find me 58 other Australian non muslims (per each muslim perpetrator)  who have committed the same depravities as the above muslims.

Or like I also said half will do, find 29 non muslim Australians(per each muslim perpetrator)  who have committed the same type of depravities.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Aug 2nd, 2015 at 2:07pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #460 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 2:07pm
 
Reading the comments on this thread it seems that the opposing party has difficulty understanding the terms of the bet I offered(and still do).

Obviously their is more chance that a murderer in Australia will be non-Moslem than Moslem. As stated 23000000 to 400000 population.

In light of this the terms of the bet are as follows.

Australia, total population 23,000,000 (400000 Moslem)
                                  -vs-
the "west", total population 1.73 billion (47,000,000 Moslems)

I am stating that it is more probable that Australia will experience a homocide perpetrated by a non-Muslim than the west will experience and Homocide motovated by extreme Islam.

Their are twice as many Moslems in this sample as the total population of Australia.

To all the Islamaphobes this is what is known as a free swing!

Unless the whole rational for your opinions is flawed.
 
I state this because it is shown statistically, in easily available records.

If you are not prepared to take the bet it must be because you know how small the probability of a violent Islamic attack is.
Either that or you just couldn't live without my friendly banter !


fruit up or shut up Grin
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #461 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 2:56pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:
The challenge still stands Gandalf find me 58 other Australian non muslims (per each muslim perpetrator)  who have committed the same depravities as the above muslims.


You still haven't clarified if men beating their wives to death counts. If it does, then thats my answer (average 2/week = more than 58 per year). If it doesn't, I want a clear explanation why.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #462 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 2:56pm:
moses wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:
The challenge still stands Gandalf find me 58 other Australian non muslims (per each muslim perpetrator)  who have committed the same depravities as the above muslims.


You still haven't clarified if men beating their wives to death counts. If it does, then thats my answer (average 2/week = more than 58 per year). If it doesn't, I want a clear explanation why.


Reading Moses's post I think he requires identical depravities(not equivalent).

So given his reasonable request you just need to find 58 non-moslem's who have traveled to a middle eastern civil war with their children and then photographed them with severed heads. Like i said, very reasonable.

If i am mistaken Moses please correct me and define what crimes would equate in your mind to the one mentioned in your post.

So much more reasonable than my bet which has been assiduously ignored and deflected.

Cmon Moses, your a betting man too obviously!

The whole western world Vs Australia

47 million crazed death cultists Moslems vs 23 million of us civilized folks. How can you possibly lose?

   
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #463 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 3:43pm
 
He can't bet pho - because in all likelihood he would have already lost.

Surely in the time that you first made the bet a non-muslim Aussie has already committed a murder - given the average rate.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #464 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
Agreed Gandalf,
But for the bet to be valid the opposing party must accept it.

At the moment they are not accepting it or rejecting it, just ignoring it (just like anything else irrefutable that counter acts their opinions).

Fruit time!  Were a betting culture! embrace your heritage!
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #465 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 2:07pm:
Reading the comments on this thread it seems that the opposing party has difficulty understanding the terms of the bet I offered(and still do).

Obviously their is more chance that a murderer in Australia will be non-Moslem than Moslem. As stated 23000000 to 400000 population.

In light of this the terms of the bet are as follows.

Australia, total population 23,000,000 (400000 Moslem)
                                  -vs-
the "west", total population 1.73 billion (47,000,000 Moslems)

I am stating that it is more probable that Australia will experience a homocide perpetrated by a non-Muslim than the west will experience and Homocide motovated by extreme Islam.

Their are twice as many Moslems in this sample as the total population of Australia.

To all the Islamaphobes this is what is known as a free swing!

Unless the whole rational for your opinions is flawed.
 
I state this because it is shown statistically, in easily available records.

If you are not prepared to take the bet it must be because you know how small the probability of a violent Islamic attack is.
Either that or you just couldn't live without my friendly banter !


fruit up or shut up Grin



your comparison is illogical.

Might as well say 'A child fell off their bike today but no snake killed anyone. Therefore bikes are worse than snakes.'
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #466 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
I dispute that it is illogical.
generally the two points of view presented in this thread are as follows.

1- Islam itself is intrinsically evil, it demands that its followers commit murder and atrocities.

2-Islam is not intrinsically evil, It is a belief system hijacked by those with their own personal ideologies and mosloms are not intrinsically evil.

If the former view is correct then you would see a statistical expression of such beliefs in violent crime statistics. i.e Moslem's commit more assaults/murders than non-Moslem's per head of population.

If you cannot find such a trend then you cannot logically state that Islam is significant causal factor in violence.

This wager is a practical extension of such a logic stream.

It uses quantitative assessment of large sample group examining trends in behaviors relevant to topical issue of the proclivity for Moslem's to engage in violent behavior against Non-Moslems.   


P.S regarding your analogy of bikes being worse than snakes, your actually correct(seems like your more in touch with reality when trying to be ridiculous  Cheesy
At least 27 children have died as a result of bike accidents in the last 10 years. 
Only 3 children have died because of snake bites in last 30 years.

Fruit up or shut up Smiley

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #467 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 5:42pm:
If the former view is correct then you would see a statistical expression of such beliefs in violent crime statistics. i.e Moslem's commit more assaults/murders than non-Moslem's per head of population.


no, you have to understand how these people think phu. For them it has to be a comparison of muslims and another religion. Muslims behead people in the name of their religion, therefore to disprove the view that Islam is uniquely evil, we must find non-muslim religious people doing the same thing in the name of their religion.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #468 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 6:50pm
 

.......AND give quotes from their book and examples of their leader doing likewise.......
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #469 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 7:37pm
 
1 Samuel 17:46

"This day the LORD will deliver you up into my hands, and I will strike you down and remove your head from you. And I will give the dead bodies of the army of the Philistines this day to the birds of the sky and the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel,

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/10/christian-zealot-beheads-teen-for-practicing-witchcraft/

http://www.alternet.org/christian-beheading-conveniently-ignored-fox-news

I must admit i can find no evidence of the current pope actually beheading someone(he seems like nice guy!) so this is probably the closest thing i can find to christian organized death cult
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple#Structure 


anyway, enough dissembling

fruity time sprint! Cheesy
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #470 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:36pm
 
Gandalf wrote: Quote:
You still haven't clarified if men beating their wives to death counts. If it does, then thats my answer (average 2/week = more than 58 per year). If it doesn't, I want a clear explanation why.


I strongly suspect that the crime of men beating their wife to death would be across all societies / civilizations. I also believe that islamic women have an extremely high chance of being murdered in islamic theocracies

I am also of the opinion that it is most unlikely the murder of a spouse is carried out in the west as part of a murderers religion, unless this murderer is a muslim, in which case the murderer would feel justified under islam's beliefs.

For the record I am totally of the persuasion that the crime we are discussing is a most loathsome evil crime.

Now to get back to the muslim issue, I've said it before and my opinion has not changed, the torture and murder of innocent men, women and children, which muslims carry out in accordance with their spiritual beliefs, is as evil and foul as the worst of the worst murders anywhere.

I want you or your apologists to show me that the non muslim population practices in accordance with their spiritual (or lack of) beliefs, the depravities which muslims carry out in obedience to the qur'an, at the same rate based on population figures.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #471 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:37pm
 

Quote:
......
EVERY year around June, thousands of girls disappear from homes and schools for extended holidays never to return the same again.

It’s a part of the annual “cutting season” where girls younger than 15 are sent to visit relatives only to have their genitalia mutilated using knives, scissors or pieces of glass and sometimes sewn up using thorns.

Now a new report on female genital mutilation (FGM) shows just how widespread the practice is with victims in every county across the UK.

Equality Now’s Program Officer for Sexual Violence and Trafficking Anber Raz said while it’s virtually impossible to get a handle on exact numbers due to secrecy surrounding it, there is no doubt it’s happening to young girls today despite moves to ban the brutal practice.

“Summer generally is what they call the cutting season which also means that people have often taken girls abroad in the summer holidays to have this done,” she told news.com.au.

“Of course we expected urban areas to have a high prevalence but we didn’t expect it to be literally in every authority across England and Wales.”

The report showed nearly five per cent of women in London’s Southwark are effected by FGM, with highest estimates outside London found in Manchester, Slough, Bristol, Leicester and Birmingham.

It comes as he UK’s International Development Minister Lynne Featherstone warned people to watch for young girls that went missing if they suspect if could be happening to them.

“This is everyone’s problem. If a Londoner was concerned about a neighbour and a child ... she or he should have no hesitation in taking that to an authority,” she told The Evening Standard.


Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) can range from cutting off the clitoris to a process known as infibulation — where all external genitalia is removed and two sides of the vulva are sewn together. It’s often done without anaesthetic as a rite of passage or form of sexual control rather than linked to a specific religion.

It’s estimated there are between 100 million to 140 million victims around the world with rates up to 90 per cent in parts of Africa. It can have severe and lifelong consequences including chronic infections, pain and difficulty with sex and childbirth for life. The number of women who die is unknown.

In Australia, the NSW Government has taken a tough approach in cracking down on FGM, last year increasing the maximum penalty for performing the procedure from seven to 21 years.

It has also become a criminal act to take a girl out of NSW to undergo FGM, closing a loophole that previously let people avoid charges if they had taken their child overseas.

Despite this, a handful of people in NSW have faced court over the practice, including a Sydney father who had his then nine-month-old baby daughter circumcised while abroad in February 2012.

Immigrant Women’s Health Service chief executive Dr Eman Sharobeem said it’s virtually impossible to know how prevalent it is but she wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happening here.

“It’s happened before and there’s nothing from stopping it from happening again,” she told news.com.au. “And in most of the cases it is actually the woman in the family who will take her daughter to undergo such a practice.

“They have many excuses: it’s our culture, it will control her ability to have sex before marriage, we can protect her from her own desires, it is actually a part of being hygienic — there are many arguments around it.”

Her clinic is focused on educating people about the dangers before it’s done and she wants education embedded in the school curriculum so young girls can learn to say no.

“But this must happen on a primary school level because the primary school age is when the girls are taken for this barbaric practice,” she said.

“And it is a barbaric practice. When you are cutting part of a human being without their permission and without their understanding of what’s happening to them, this is a horrific act against humans ... Unless we have someone dobbing other people into the authorities we wouldn’t know how many cases are out there.”

victoria.craw@news.com.au

.........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/authorities-issue-warning-as-young-girl...

A musllim habit ...............
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #472 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:38pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:
1 Samuel 17:46

"This day the LORD will deliver you up into my hands, and I will strike you down and remove your head from you. And I will give the dead bodies of the army of the Philistines this day to the birds of the sky and the wild beasts of the earth, that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel,

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/10/christian-zealot-beheads-teen-for-practicing-witchcraft/

http://www.alternet.org/christian-beheading-conveniently-ignored-fox-news

I must admit i can find no evidence of the current pope actually beheading someone(he seems like nice guy!) so this is probably the closest thing i can find to christian organized death cult
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple#Structure 


anyway, enough dissembling

fruity time sprint! Cheesy



That's in the OT, for jews.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #473 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:52pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:36pm:
I want you or your apologists to show me that the non muslim population practices in accordance with their spiritual (or lack of) beliefs


tut tut, you never mentioned that before. Shifting goalposts.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #474 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm
 
The muslim apologist alliance is carrying on about islamic terror and non muslim homicide in the west.

The odds are stacked in their favour, the entire west has a co-ordinated security system dedicated to the prevention of islamic terror. They stop many would be terorists long before they are able to carry out their muslim torture and  murder.

For the muslims and their apologists to be genuine they would have to guarantee that every bit of the west which could suffer a muslim terrorist attack is coverd by our local media, plus the number of muslim terror attacks thwarted, this is an impossibility.

Only major events make the world news, no one knows how many smaller attempts, in the west, were actually stopped by  the authorities.

How many other countries would know the number of islamic terror plots foiled in Australia?

Most likely not one, just as we have no idea of the success rate of other western countrie's anti muslim terror activities.

The apologists and muslims are always trying to get away from the islamic terrorism aspect.

Homicide as a crime exists in all societies.

Religious torture and murder is a long way outside of the norm in all western societies, this is what they are desperate to hide.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #475 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:57pm
 
gandalf wrote:
Quote:
tut tut, you never mentioned that before. Shifting goalposts.


We've already been through the ** what did I mean by the word same**.

You're getting selective memory syndrome like Karnal yes?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #476 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 4:20pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:57pm:
gandalf wrote:
Quote:
tut tut, you never mentioned that before. Shifting goalposts.


We've already been through the ** what did I mean by the word same**.

You're getting selective memory syndrome like Karnal yes?

   


I think I've found it now - its in your reply# 459. In this post you literally define the "most heinous" category to all and any religious (read: Islamic) murders.

The problem with this should be obvious. A muslim who considers it his religious duty to kill Syrian soldiers widely perceived to be responsible for extensive massacres of Syrian civilians, shouldn't be in the same category as muslims who consider it their religious duty to blow up innocent civilians. Nor should it be automatically considered somehow worse than the non-religious serial rapist/murderer - just because this rapist/murderer is not religious.

The reason I make this point is because you specifically used the example of Khaled Sharouf - whose notoriety lies with his posing with the severed heads of Syrian soldiers.   It was a bad example IMO to cite someone whose only known crime was to kill and mutilate the bodies of enemy combatants.

So, sorry moses, you'll have to come up with better criteria. Simply making such a broad stroke and saying that all Islamic-inspired killings are the worst of the worst - is absurdly simplistic. Islamic inspired killings range from 9/11 to the mujahideen ousting the Russian invaders in Afghanistan (you know, the guys we were cheering). It should be obvious that they don't all fit into the same category.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #477 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 4:35pm
 
I'd lean more towards the act of taking his young child to actively participate in the beheading ritual, as being particularly depraved and most henious.

Not the norm for civilized people, war or no war.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #478 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 4:44pm
 
thats more heinous than raping and murdering a woman? Or if you're worried about impressionable kids, how about their dad beating their mum to death?

I'm not sure how you make that judgement. But I'm pretty sure it is a bit more complicated than simply saying "if its Islamic, then its the worst - end of discussion". In any case, since you've already set the criteria at "it must be religious" - then our discussion is doomed anyway. Not to mention the fact that you shifted the goalposts.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #479 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:16pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm:
The odds are stacked in their favour, the entire west has a co-ordinated security system dedicated to the prevention of islamic terror. They stop many would be terorists long before they are able to carry out their muslim torture and  murder.

For the muslims and their apologists to be genuine they would have to guarantee that every bit of the west which could suffer a muslim terrorist attack is coverd by our local media, plus the number of muslim terror attacks thwarted, this is an impossibility.

Only major events make the world news, no one knows how many smaller attempts, in the west, were actually stopped by  the authorities.

How many other countries would know the number of islamic terror plots foiled in Australia?




When the last remaining argument supporting your opinion is the effectiveness of western counter terrorism and the under reporting of terrorist incidents in the west then it may be time to pack up your bags and change camps.

Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #480 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:16pm:
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:54pm:
The odds are stacked in their favour, the entire west has a co-ordinated security system dedicated to the prevention of islamic terror. They stop many would be terorists long before they are able to carry out their muslim torture and  murder.

For the muslims and their apologists to be genuine they would have to guarantee that every bit of the west which could suffer a muslim terrorist attack is coverd by our local media, plus the number of muslim terror attacks thwarted, this is an impossibility.

Only major events make the world news, no one knows how many smaller attempts, in the west, were actually stopped by  the authorities.

How many other countries would know the number of islamic terror plots foiled in Australia?




When the last remaining argument supporting your opinion is the effectiveness of western counter terrorism and the under reporting of terrorist incidents in the west then it may be time to pack up your bags and change camps.



Now now, the only thing worse than an actual terrorist is a terrorist suspect. Shifty, evasive, taqiyya-practicing, most cunning.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #481 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:35pm
 
gandalf wrote:

Quote:
thats more heinous than raping and murdering a woman? Or if you're worried about impressionable kids, how about their dad beating their mum to death?

I'm not sure how you make that judgement. But I'm pretty sure it is a bit more complicated than simply saying "if its Islamic, then its the worst - end of discussion". In any case, since you've already set the criteria at "it must be religious" - then our discussion is doomed anyway. Not to mention the fact that you shifted the goalposts.



I've **set** the discussion to people committing the same type of crime as the three examples I gave, because their spiritual belief or lack of spiritual belief demands they do it.

The people who have murdered their wives, I'd almost be sure they do  not hold a deep held conviction that what they are doing is required of them according to whatever religious / non religious position they hold.

I would say it would be a crime of passion, hatred, jealousy, insurance fraud, drug induced, whatever.

I don't believe that non muslim men who kill their wives do it as a religious duty if they are religious.

I don't believe that non muslim men who kill their wives do it as an atheist prerequisite,if they are atheist.

I can't say the same for muslims women who are killed / maimed for a variety of islamic reasons.

I am referring to crimes which are outside of modal behaviour in our society.

E.G.: muslims torturing and killing people as a religious requirement.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #482 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:38pm
 
Pho Huc wrote:

Quote:
When the last remaining argument supporting your opinion is the effectiveness of western counter terrorism and the under reporting of terrorist incidents in the west then it may be time to pack up your bags and change camps.


That's how it is. The west is united in their anti islamic terror strategies, sharing of intelligence, defeating muslim terror attacks before they occur etc. How many islamic terror attempts have been beaten before they got off the ground we'll never know, it's not under reporting, it just doesn't rate world wide coverage.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #483 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 7:22pm
 
That's true-We can never know how many terrorist attacks have been stopped.

Of course, they are not just stopped by police.
I suspect than many terrorist attacks have been planned and then the attackers changed their mind for whatever reason.

There was an Al Qaeda cell in Australia 4 years before 9/11 but they never carried out their planned attacks.
They all got jobs/wives and lives and decided that they had better things to do,   

                 ~anywayz~
For the purposes of this analysis counter-terrorism operations would be considered "noise".

When trying to detect patterns in a complex data set your always going to get "noise" which is going to influence the results of your analysis.
You can reduce noise by either increasing the accuracy of your measurements or increasing your sample size.

Given the sample size's in the wager (in the millions) this sort of noise would have minimal affect on evidence of underlying trends.

So again, fruit up or shut up Cheesy
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #484 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 12:04am
 
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:35pm:
gandalf wrote:

Quote:
thats more heinous than raping and murdering a woman? Or if you're worried about impressionable kids, how about their dad beating their mum to death?

I'm not sure how you make that judgement. But I'm pretty sure it is a bit more complicated than simply saying "if its Islamic, then its the worst - end of discussion". In any case, since you've already set the criteria at "it must be religious" - then our discussion is doomed anyway. Not to mention the fact that you shifted the goalposts.



I've **set** the discussion to people committing the same type of crime as the three examples I gave, because their spiritual belief or lack of spiritual belief demands they do it.

The people who have murdered their wives, I'd almost be sure they do  not hold a deep held conviction that what they are doing is required of them according to whatever religious / non religious position they hold.

I would say it would be a crime of passion, hatred, jealousy, insurance fraud, drug induced, whatever.


Here you go, FD.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #485 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 5:38pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 5:35pm:
gandalf wrote:

Quote:
thats more heinous than raping and murdering a woman? Or if you're worried about impressionable kids, how about their dad beating their mum to death?

I'm not sure how you make that judgement. But I'm pretty sure it is a bit more complicated than simply saying "if its Islamic, then its the worst - end of discussion". In any case, since you've already set the criteria at "it must be religious" - then our discussion is doomed anyway. Not to mention the fact that you shifted the goalposts.



I've **set** the discussion to people committing the same type of crime as the three examples I gave, because their spiritual belief or lack of spiritual belief demands they do it.

The people who have murdered their wives, I'd almost be sure they do  not hold a deep held conviction that what they are doing is required of them according to whatever religious / non religious position they hold.

I would say it would be a crime of passion, hatred, jealousy, insurance fraud, drug induced, whatever.

I don't believe that non muslim men who kill their wives do it as a religious duty if they are religious.

I don't believe that non muslim men who kill their wives do it as an atheist prerequisite,if they are atheist.

I can't say the same for muslims women who are killed / maimed for a variety of islamic reasons.

I am referring to crimes which are outside of modal behaviour in our society.

E.G.: muslims torturing and killing people as a religious requirement.


Yes the age old honor killings, she peeked at another man on the way past then bam. A stoning out back. Gotta love sharia law.
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #486 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 9:05pm
 

Quote:
In the barbaric, twisted logic of the Islamic State these youngsters are worth $165, while teenage girls can be bought for $124 — and it’s even less for women over 20.

The price list for captured women and children is being circulated by IS and is being used by the evil group’s own fighters as well as rich from the Middle East.

Despite the various “prices” the actual amount paid usually much more because outsiders are allowed to bid for the individuals, with the money exchanged sometimes being thousands of dollars.

That’s after IS hierarchy takes their pick, with the remainder are then offered at the listed prices to the rest of IS.


The list first emerged eight months ago but there was uncertainty over whether it was genuine or not. Until now that is.

A senior United Nations official, Zainab Bangura, was given a copy of a pamphlet which included the list, when she was in Iraq in April.

Now she is able to say the list is accurate.

“The girls get peddled like barrels of petrol. One girl can be sold and bought by five or six different men. Sometimes these fighters sell the girls back to their families for thousands of dollars of ransom,” she told Bloomberg.

Ms Bangura, who is the UN special envoy on sexual violence in conflict and also served in the government of Sierra Leone warned against treating IS as an ordinary rebel group because they were a combination of a “conventional military and a well-run organised state.”

The pamphlet isn’t the first time IS has spoken about its use of female slaves. Last year IS distributed a pamphlet on female slaves — and how they were treated — and tried to justify that and other crimes, including rape, using the Koran, the Independent reported.

In addition, they released a sickening list of how to punish female sex slaves, including by rape.

They also released a video last year that purportedly showed footage of an Isis slave auction, and featured fighters speaking about what they were prepared to pay for various women.
Originally published as IS puts a price on child slaves


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-child-slave-list-is-genui...

just like moh told them to do
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #487 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 10:44pm
 

Quote:
A gang armed with machetes hacked a secular blogger to death at his home in Dhaka today in the fourth such murder in Bangladesh since the start of the year. 
 
Niloy Neel was murdered after the gang broke into his apartment in the capital’s Goran neighbourhood, according to the Bangladesh Blogger and Activist Network which was alerted to the attack by a witness.

“They entered his room in the fifth floor and shoved his friend aside and then hacked him (Neel) to death. He was a listed target of the Islamist militants,” the network’s head Imran H. Sarker told AFP.

Police confirmed Neel had been murdered but had no details on his background,


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/fourth-secular-blogger-killed-in-bang...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #488 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:
moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2015 at 3:57pm:
gandalf wrote:
Quote:
tut tut, you never mentioned that before. Shifting goalposts.


We've already been through the ** what did I mean by the word same**.

You're getting selective memory syndrome like Karnal yes?

   


I think I've found it now - its in your reply# 459. In this post you literally define the "most heinous" category to all and any religious (read: Islamic) murders.

The problem with this should be obvious. A muslim who considers it his religious duty to kill Syrian soldiers widely perceived to be responsible for extensive massacres of Syrian civilians, shouldn't be in the same category as muslims who consider it their religious duty to blow up innocent civilians. Nor should it be automatically considered somehow worse than the non-religious serial rapist/murderer - just because this rapist/murderer is not religious.

The reason I make this point is because you specifically used the example of Khaled Sharouf - whose notoriety lies with his posing with the severed heads of Syrian soldiers.   It was a bad example IMO to cite someone whose only known crime was to kill and mutilate the bodies of enemy combatants.

So, sorry moses, you'll have to come up with better criteria. Simply making such a broad stroke and saying that all Islamic-inspired killings are the worst of the worst - is absurdly simplistic. Islamic inspired killings range from 9/11 to the mujahideen ousting the Russian invaders in Afghanistan (you know, the guys we were cheering). It should be obvious that they don't all fit into the same category.

But in the case of ISIL - in Syria and Iraq - it is Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Islam. It is all about Islam, everywhere you look. Not a single infidel kuffar in sight.

Syrian Muslims soldiers kill loads of Syrian Muslim civilians. Syrian Muslims, including kids, are beheading, shooting, mutilating Syrian Muslim adults in return. What is common to both sides? It's all in the name of Islam.

They are all Muslims. But the Religion of Peace is simply no use, it inspires no peace at all, only massacres.

A case of Islam making far too large claims for itself: Islam is not a religion of peace at all.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #489 - Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:54pm
 
Always, absolutely, never ever.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #490 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 11:06pm
 

Quote:
A FATHER has been arrested after allegedly letting his daughter drown because he didn’t want her being touched by strangers and dishonoured by them. 
 
The 20-year-old woman had gone to a Dubai beach for a picnic with her family when she got into difficulty in the water and screamed for help.

Deputy Director of Dubai Police’s Search and Rescue Department Ahmed Burqibah said the woman’s father hampered the rescue effort.

“This is one of the incidents which I cannot forget, it shocked me,” Lt Colonel Burqibah told Emirates 24/7.

“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl. However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.


“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”

The man, a Dubai expat, physically stopped the nearby lifeguards from reaching his daughter.

“The father was a tall and strong man. He started pulling and preventing the rescue men and got violent with them. He told them that he prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man.”

By the time lifeguards got to her, it was too late.

“She died unfortunately, at a time when she had a chance to live, especially that the rescue men were so close to her to pull her out of the water.”

The man, who has not been identified, was arrested by Dubai police and will be charged over the incident.
Originally published as ‘She’s better off dead than touched by a stranger’ [/ [quote]
quote]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/man-let-daughter-drown-instead-of-being-touch...url]
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #491 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 12:24am
 
Skum of the Earth
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Pho Huc
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 985
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #492 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 12:27pm
 
Thats messed up. lunatic.
Back to top
 

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #493 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
But in the case of ISIL - in Syria and Iraq - it is Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Islam.


Not really. The Syrian regime is staunchly irreligious and their army is largely irreligious. Certainly the Islamists who fight them are in no doubt about how irreligious they are.

On the other side of the fence, ISIS is fighting another largely irreligious force - the Kurds.

The kuffar/non-kuffar dynamic absolutely *IS* front and central to this war.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #494 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 1:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 12:58pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 7th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
But in the case of ISIL - in Syria and Iraq - it is Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Islam.


Not really. The Syrian regime is staunchly irreligious and their army is largely irreligious. Certainly the Islamists who fight them are in no doubt about how irreligious they are.

On the other side of the fence, ISIS is fighting another largely irreligious force - the Kurds.

The kuffar/non-kuffar dynamic absolutely *IS* front and central to this war.



Grin Grin Grin Grin
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #495 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
Show me one allahu akhbaring Syrian or Kurdish soldier and I'll take it all back S.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #496 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 2:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 1:57pm:
Show me one allahu akhbaring Syrian or Kurdish soldier and I'll take it all back S.

Ah, that IS how you tell them apart.
Allahu akhbaring = Muslims, not Allahu Akhbaring - kuffar.

Sunnis and shia both allahu aakhbaring so they must be killing each other for some other reason. What could it be? The 1400 year long Islamic schisms must have nuffin' to do wiv it. It must be about which side of the boiled egg they start at.





Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #497 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 2:30pm:
Sunnis and shia both allahu aakhbaring so they must be killing each other for some other reason.


most of the conflict is between sunnis and sunnis.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #498 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 10:17pm
 
All of the old boy’s conflict is within himself.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #499 - Aug 12th, 2015 at 11:19pm
 


islam exposed by muslims



Moslems just can't help themselves.

If a moslem is having a bad day,        and he see's an infidel and his mother in an Ikea store, in Sweden, then why shouldn't he kill them ?


Google;
news Ikea store in Sweden stabbing

Google;
news Ikea store in Sweden stabbing allah akbar




.




MOSLEMS, DOING 'GOOD WORKS', STRAIGHT FROM ALLAH'S MOUTH

------------- >


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #500 - Aug 13th, 2015 at 8:15pm
 

Quote:
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for a massive truck bombing at a market in Baghdad that killed 62


13/8/15
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #501 - Aug 14th, 2015 at 9:51pm
 
Quote:
Terror cleric’s son stopped at airport

THE son of terror preacher Abdul Nacer Benbrika was stopped at Melbourne Airport trying to travel to Syria. Bakr Benbrika — whose father was convicted of leading a homegrown terror cell — was planning to travel to the war-zone but was
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #502 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:09am
 
Muslims in the UK are attacking mosques. Does that make them Islamophobic?

...


The Times today reports that leading Muslim clerics in the UK are warning that ‘religious sectarianism is on the rise in Britain’s Muslim community and threatens to spill over into violent crime and terrorism’.  An investigation by the paper ‘found a sharp but largely hidden rise in sectarian tensions between the minority Shia community and the dominant Sunni groups’.


Muslim Islamophobes.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #503 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 8:18pm
 

captured humanitarian aid worker repeatedly raped by Islamic


Quote:
.........Baghdadi regularly visited the compound where she was being held and repeatedly assaulted her.

"Kayla did not marry this man. He took her to his room and he abused her and she came back crying," her mother Marsha told AP.

Officials said they had obtained information about the abuse from at least two teenage Yazidi girls who were held hostage as sex slaves and found inside the Sayyaf compound at the time of the US attack.........


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33941913

just how moh ordered
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #504 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 12:58pm:
The kuffar/non-kuffar dynamic absolutely *IS* front and central to this war.


Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies, Gandy. PB will be onto you any minute, god help you.



SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK

Sunni vs Shiite sectarian violence has long been a defining factor of Middle Eastern conflict; as ISIS has taken hold thorough the region that conflict has waxed rather than waned. But warnings of violence between the groups have now been issued in the UK, as immigrants from the region bring their ideological baggage with them.

Back in the Middle East, July saw IS fighters in Yemen bombing two Shiite mosques, killing hundreds in an attempt to drive out Shiite groups and take over the country. And in Tikrit, Iraq, 1,700 Shiite army cadets were slaughtered by IS in a gross act of sectarian violence. Jihadists filmed the massacre, turning to the camera to say: “This is a message I address to the whole world and especially to the Rafidha dogs, I tell them we are coming.”

That message has hit home in London, where Sunni / Shiite violence has long been brewing. Sayed Ammar Nakshwani, a leading Shiite cleric has already left the UK for the United States following a protracted campaign of threats against his family by Sunni militants, The Times has reported.





Islamic schism has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #505 - Aug 17th, 2015 at 12:23am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 12:58pm:
The kuffar/non-kuffar dynamic absolutely *IS* front and central to this war.


Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies, Gandy. PB will be onto you any minute, god help you.



SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK

Sunni vs Shiite sectarian violence has long been a defining factor of Middle Eastern conflict; as ISIS has taken hold thorough the region that conflict has waxed rather than waned. But warnings of violence between the groups have now been issued in the UK,

as immigrants from the region bring their ideological baggage with them
.

Back in the Middle East, July saw IS fighters in Yemen bombing two Shiite mosques, killing hundreds in an attempt to drive out Shiite groups and take over the country. And in Tikrit, Iraq, 1,700 Shiite army cadets were slaughtered by IS in a gross act of sectarian violence. Jihadists filmed the massacre, turning to the camera to say: “This is a message I address to the whole world and especially to the Rafidha dogs, I tell them we are coming.”

That message has hit home in London, where Sunni / Shiite violence has long been brewing. Sayed Ammar Nakshwani, a leading Shiite cleric has already left the UK for the United States following a protracted campaign of threats against his family by Sunni militants, The Times has reported.





Islamic schism has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.








It is difficult to credit, that strategists, policy makers, and political leaders in Western nations could be, collectively, all so stupid.

Isn't t ??????





Isaiah 29:13
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14  Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434579922

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #506 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 1:38pm
 

Quote:
    
The interception of seven young Australians at Sydney airport allegedly on their way to enlist with terrorists in the Middle East demonstrates the “continuing allure” of Islamic State, Tony Abbott says.

The Prime Minister today said the “important and significant” operation demonstrated the “vigorous” action being taken by Australian authorities domestically and overseas to disrupt the movement of foreign fighters.

Mr Abbott’s comments followed a report in The Daily Telegraph that a group of five suspected militants had been stopped at Sydney airport on August 12, with two of the five attempting to leave again the next day.

We have stopped at the airport, seven young Australians who were planning to travel to the Middle East, it seems to join terrorist groups over there,” he said in Canberra.

“This indicates the continuing allure of this death cult. It shows the importance of the most vigorous action at home and abroad to disrupt, to degrade, to destroy this menace to the freedom and the security of the world
.

“I am not going to go into what effectively is an operational matter — just to say that our Australian Border Force is vigilant and our counterterrorist units operating at all international airports have an important job to do and just recently they did their job in this particularly important and significant way.”

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton told reporters in Canberra today there was “an incident” but would not go into specifics.

“We are concerned about the number of people presenting at airports, particularly younger people, who might be seeking to travel overseas for reasons that would horrify Australians and their parents and family and community no doubt as well,” he said.
   


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/police-stop-seven-aussies-at-syd...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #507 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 4:34pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies


....

How is itSoren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK


umm so you accuse me of lying about the Syrian conflict - by bringing up an anecdote about the UK?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #508 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Always, never, ever, G.  You're a taqiyya spouting Muslim, aren't you?  Why should we trust anything you say?   Soren, on the otherhand, always tells the truth, as he is a Secular Lutheran Dane, none of whom have ever been convicted of ever lying.    Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #509 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 5:32pm:
Always, never, ever, G.  You're a taqiyya spouting Muslim, aren't you?  Why should we trust anything you say?   Soren, on the otherhand, always tells the truth, as he is a Secular Lutheran Dane, none of whom have ever been convicted of ever lying.    Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


Very true. The old boy is an anti-porkie convert. He’d never tell a fib - willingly, of course.

FD, on the other hand, is a devout porkie enthusiast. Give FD a well-crafted fib and he’ll love you for it.

Just make sure you make it about Muslims and their apologists.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #510 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies


....

How is itSoren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK


umm so you accuse me of lying about the Syrian conflict - by bringing up an anecdote about the UK?

So the ummah business is all BS - you Muslims are strictly nation-state based Muslims.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #511 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:44am
 

Quote:
Islamic State: One Aussie devotee a day

NEW figures show that each day at least one would-be terrorist is trying to fly out of Australia to take up arms alongside Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.


  http://www.couriermail.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #512 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 10:09am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
So the ummah business is all BS


lol - of course it is.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #513 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 12:21am
 

Quote:
KIDNAPPED, beaten, sold and raped: the Islamic State group is running an international market in Iraq where Christian and Yazidi women are sold as sexual slaves, a teenager who escaped has revealed.

Jinan, 18, a Yazidi, was captured in early 2014 and held by IS jihadists for three months before she managed to flee, she said on a visit to Paris ahead of the publication of a book about her ordeal.

Seized as IS fighters swept through northern regions inhabited by the Yazidi religious minority, Jinan was moved around between several locations before being bought by two men, a former policeman and an imam.

She described how she and other Yazidi prisoners were locked up in a house.

“They tortured us, tried to forcefully convert us. If we refused we were beaten, chained outdoors in the sun, forced to drink water with dead mice in it. Sometimes they threatened to torture us with electricity,” she said.
Speaking up ... Jinan is an Iraqi Yazidi woman who escaped the Islamic State jihadist group.

“These men are not human. They only think of death, killing. They take drugs constantly. They seek vengeance against everyone. They say that one day Islamic State will rule over the whole world.”

In the book, Jinan describes how once, in Mosul, she was led into “a massive reception hall with large columns ... dozens of women were gathered there.”

“The fighters circulated among us, laughing raucously, pinching our backsides,” she writes in “Daesh’s Slave”, using an Arabic acronym for the jihadist group.

During such “slave markets” she saw Iraqis and Syrians but also Westerners whose nationality she could not discern.
A law unto themselves ... a loyal member of the Islamic State group.

The best-looking girls were reserved for the bosses or wealthy clients from Gulf nations.

Once she was sold, Jinan’s days were punctuated by men’s visits to the house where she was imprisoned with other women.

Fighters came to make their purchases in the foyer where traders acted as intermediaries between the slave owners and emirs who inspected the “livestock”, Jinan wrote in the book, which was written with the help of French journalist Thierry Oberle.

Convinced that she did not speak Arabic, Janin’s two owners spoke freely in front of her, and one night she heard a conversation revealing the extent to which the slave trade is run like a business.

“A man cannot purchase more than three women, unless he is from Syria, Turkey or a Gulf nation,” said one, named Abou Omar.

“It’s good for business,” replied the other, Abou Anas.

“A Saudi buyer has transport and food costs that a member of the Islamic State does not. He has a higher quota to make his purchases profitable.

“It is a good deal: the Islamic State increases its profits to support the mujahideen and our foreign brothers are satisfied.”

After managing to escape using a set of stolen keys, Jinan made her way back to her husband and is now living in a Yazidi refugee camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.

“If we go back home, there will be other genocides against us. The only solution is that we have a region to ourselves, under international protection,” she said


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/islamic-states-sex-trade-jinan-a-yazidi...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #514 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:24am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies


....

How is itSoren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK


umm so you accuse me of lying about the Syrian conflict - by bringing up an anecdote about the UK?

Why? Islam in the UK is not the same religion as Islam in the rest of the world? Is it just a quirky coincidence 9or a conspiracy) that the ideology in the UK is also called islam?

Nuffin' to do wiv Islam in the ME and elsewhere?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #515 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am
 
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #516 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #517 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #518 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #519 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 11:43pm
 
Yes, old boy, but the purpose of your communication is to shed stool. We presume.

It is a jolly world, no?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #520 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #521 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.





Back to top
« Last Edit: Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:45pm by Soren »  
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #522 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 7:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.


You are just inventing a whole bunch of strawmen.

I never said Islam is not front and centre to this conflict - or any conflict in the Middle East. Of course it is. And I was emphasising that fact by pointing out who the secularists are and why the are fighting (ie to rid themselves the scourge of militant Islamism).
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #523 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 7:28pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.


You are just inventing a whole bunch of strawmen.

I never said Islam is not front and centre to this conflict - or any conflict in the Middle East. Of course it is. And I was emphasising that fact by pointing out who the secularists are and why the are fighting (ie to rid themselves the scourge of militant Islamism).



"Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???"

You offered this gem as the gist of your meaning 5 minutes ago.

Now religion is front and centre.




Slippery doesn't even begin to cover your position.  Do you see why Muslims lack credibility? You have more position in a 10 minute argument than the Kama Sutra.





Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #524 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
Soren appears to believe that the Assad regime and the YPG are actually Islamic fronts, G.  Not sure why, except to him, anything and everything smacks of Islamophobia, except of course his Homophobia, racism and Xenophobia.  Quite a lot of phobias you've got there, Soren!  Are you aiming for the record book?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #525 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
Soren appears to believe that the Assad regime and the YPG are actually Islamic fronts, G.  Not sure why, except to him, anything and everything smacks of Islamophobia, except of course his Homophobia, racism and Xenophobia.  Quite a lot of phobias you've got there, Soren!  Are you aiming for the record book?    Roll Eyes


You are a proud bigot and race and religion-baiter, Brain. Disgusting.



The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #526 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
Soren appears to believe that the Assad regime and the YPG are actually Islamic fronts, G.  Not sure why, except to him, anything and everything smacks of Islamophobia, except of course his Homophobia, racism and Xenophobia.  Quite a lot of phobias you've got there, Soren!  Are you aiming for the record book?    Roll Eyes


I think so, Brain.

Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
Disgusting.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #527 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 9:41pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side.


Except in Iraq...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #528 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 8:15am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:11pm:
"Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???"

You offered this gem as the gist of your meaning 5 minutes ago.


Yes I did.

If secularists in the ME are specifically fighting against islamisation - that makes Islam front and centre of the conflict - are you following yet?

This was originally about you mocking me for claiming that the 'kuffar, non-kuffar' dynamic was central to this conflict. In terms of the battle both the Syrian regime and the YPG are fighting against the Islamists - this is exactly what this is about.

Please spend some time to reflect on this exceedingly simple point before you go shooting your mouth off again with nonsense.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #529 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 11:25am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2015 at 8:15am:
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:11pm:
"Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???"

You offered this gem as the gist of your meaning 5 minutes ago.


Yes I did.

If secularists in the ME are specifically fighting against islamisation - that makes Islam front and centre of the conflict - are you following yet?

This was originally about you mocking me for claiming that the 'kuffar, non-kuffar' dynamic was central to this conflict. In terms of the battle both the Syrian regime and the YPG are fighting against the Islamists - this is exactly what this is about.

Please spend some time to reflect on this exceedingly simple point before you go shooting your mouth off again with nonsense.

As I said, "Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players."

Reflect on that.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #530 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 11:32am
 
well no schit sherlock  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #531 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2015 at 11:32am:
well no schit sherlock  Roll Eyes

You must be a gold fish, Gandy - you don't seem to remember what you were saying most vehemently at your previous turn in the fish bowl:
No religious dimension to the conflict because the main players are secularists.
Then there is a religious dimension because they are fighting religious factions.
Then you concede that even the secularists have a sectarian (religious) dimension.

It's like the ring of hundreds of protective Muslim around a synagogue that turned out to be  neither Muslim, nor protective, nor a ring nor hundreds. c
Everything you insist on is true except the details of whatever you say.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #532 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
You must be a gold fish, Gandy - you don't seem to remember what you were saying most vehemently at your previous turn in the fish bowl:
No religious dimension to the conflict because the main players are secularists.


Rubbish. Quote me.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #533 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:07am
 

Quote:
HE WAS one of Islamic State’s top commanders who captured women in terrifying conditions and forced them to have sex with his depraved fighters.

But it seems one of his captives has exacted their bloody revenge.

It has emerged the senior commander, known only by his nom de guerre Abu Anas, was murdered on Saturday by an unidentified Iraqi woman he kept as a sex slave.
   
Kurdistan Democratic Party spokesman Saeed Mamouzini told Iraqi television network al-Sumaria that the woman shot Anas dead in Iraq’s Tal Roman district, three months after she had been forced to sex slavery. He said the woman was married off to several of Anas’s fighters as a sick “gift”.

It comes as more details emerge of IS’s use of rape as a weapon of power and cruelty against its captives.

It is not known what happened to the woman, who is believed to be a member of the Yazidi-Kurdish minority.

The Yazidis are a religious minority in Syria and Iraq that is targeted by IS. A total of 5270 Yazidis were abducted by IS last year, and more than 3000 are still in their grip, according to figures within the community.

‘WE ASK YOU TO RAPE’

News of the commander’s death comes as Hollywood actor Angelina Jolie said IS dictated mass rape as official policy, the kind of which was “beyond what we have seen before”.

Jolie, a United Nations special envoy, was giving evidence at a Lords committee hearing on sexual violence in conflict zones.

“It’s not sexual, it is a violent, brutal terrorising weapon,” she told the committee.

“The most aggressive terrorist group in the world today knows what we know, knows that it is a very effective weapon and they are using it as a centre point of their terror and their way of destroying communities and families, and attacking and dehumanising.”

She said IS explicitly told its fighters: “We ask you to rape.”

“They are saying, ‘You should do this, this is the way to build a society’,” Jolie said.

The star, who has campaigned for a decade against the use of rape in war, recalled meeting girls as young as seven who had been brutally raped in war zones.

“I remember distinctly meeting this little girl who was very young, perhaps seven or eight, and she was rocking back and forward staring at the wall and tears streaming down her face because she had been brutally raped multiple times,” Jolie said.

“You couldn’t talk to her, you could touch her. I felt absolutely helpless and didn’t know what to do for her.

“More recently, I met a 13-year-old girl in Iraq who had been kept in a room with many other girls. They were taken out in twos, brought to this very dirty room with this dirty couch and raped repeatedly.

“They told me what was even worse than this physical violence was they had to stand in rooms and watch their friends be sold.

“To hear men arguing over what they were worth. Were they worth $40, $50? What was the price, their value? And how humiliating that was.”

Jolie appeared at the committee at the UK House of Parliament alongside former Foreign Secretary William Hague, with whom she co-founded Preventing Sexual Violence Initiative, which campaigns for the victims of rape in war zones.

She praised British government for taking a lead on the issue but urged for a “very strong response” to IS in Iraq and Syria.

ISLAMIC STATE’S SEX HANDBOOK

This week Human Rights Watch (HWR) executive director Kenneth Roth revealed that IS has circulated a chilling “pamphlet” that outlines rules about having sex with enslaved women who are not Muslim, including girls and young women from the Yazidi community.

The pamphlet, which is available on Twitter, has been translated and republished on the HRW website.

Set out in a question-and-answer format,
the document uses passages from the Koran to justify rape, and recommends that if the female captive is a virgin, her master “can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession of her”.


“However,” the pamphlet continues, “if she isn’t, her uterus must be purified (first).”

Roth said that by treating captured non-Muslim women as subject to the sexual whims of those who control them, “ISIS disregards nearly universal injunctions against slavery and rape”.

Previous reports by HRW have outlined the horrifying system of organised rape, sexual slavery and forced marriage inflicted on Yazidi girls and women held captive by IS.

Earlier this year HRW interviewed 20 girls and young women who escaped from IS and suffered “unimaginable trauma” from their ordeals.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/is-commander-shot-dead-by-woman-he-forc...

islam is the death rape cult.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #534 - Sep 16th, 2015 at 8:57pm
 

Quote:
A DOCTOR told his eight-year-old daughter that an alleged genital mutilation procedure that she underwent was just a “check up,” a court has heard.

A jury was on Wednesday played a secret recording of the conversation between the father and his daughter at the first trial for female genital mutilation in NSW.

The recording was from a police bug that was placed in the father’s car just after the girl had told police in an interview that she and her little sister had been cut in their “private parts”.

“Nothing was cut of yours,” the father told the daughter, “we don’t do the cutting, we can’t cut it here.”

“Yes, once they asked for scissors, I saw scissors, they do something with scissors,” the girl replied.

“Not with scissors they do forceps,” her father said. “Forceps is used for cleaning purpose, to check up.”

The girl, now 11, gave evidence at the trial of her mother, 38, who has pleaded not guilty to arranging the genital mutilation of her daughters.

Her co-accused is a retired midwife, 71, who has pleaded not guilty to carrying out the procedures at two homes in Wollongong and Baulkham Hills in Sydney’s north west some time between October 2009 and August 2012.

Sheik Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, who is a high-ranking religious leader from the Islamic sect Dawoodi Bohra, has pleaded not guilty to being an accessory after the fact to female genital mutilation.

Under cross examination by barrister Stuart Bouveng the girl said the pain during the procedure, “did not last long”.

“It was like a pinching or a cutting I’m not sure,” she said.

But when Crown prosecutor Nanette Williams asked her to clarify what it had felt like the girl said she was most likely cut.

“I’m not completely sure if it was a cut although it was most likely it was cutting, I remember a sort of pinching, I don’t really know though.”

The jury was also played the girl’s interview with police in which she said her mother had told her not to talk about the procedure called ‘Khatna’ which she said was done to all seven-year-old girls in Dawoodi Bohra.

“I’m not used to talking about it because my mum tells me not to go around telling everyone that much,” she said.

The girl’s younger sister, now aged nine, is giving evidence on Thursday.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/a-doctor-told-his-daughter-8-that-alleged-gen...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #535 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 1:45pm
 
Quote:
RAHAL Dergham understands the Syrian refugee crisis better than just about anyone else in Australia.

When the Sydney Catholic priest arrived from Syria almost eight years ago, he says he left a country that was “moving forward”. In his home town of Hama, the young clergyman freely held masses, his family worked happily and worshipped freely, and the children went to school for a decent and compulsory education.

Now, he says, it’s a completely different place. Every time he speaks to his family or friends who are still there or have recently fled, or even when he checks up on how the conflict is progressing online, there are some terrifying reminders of how bad it’s become.

This is what Syrian asylum seekers are faced with... police fired at least 20 tear gas grenades into the crowd of Syrians and protesters.

“He was a peaceful man, a kind man,” Father Dergham says of his close friend and former colleague Father Francois Murad.

“They taped it when they decapitated him and posted the video on YouTube. We saw it even before the media started talking about it. Now whenever you search Syrian crisis or anything about Christian persecution, you will see him.”

The 33-year-old has seen, heard of, and counselled his friends over more atrocities than any man his age should have encountered.

There’s the time a teenager from his town was tortured and murdered trying to visit his family at Christmas.

“One of the last ones we lost was a young man, he was about 18,” he says.

“He was not even armed. He had run away from the compulsory army service and was working in Lebanon but he was smuggled back to the country to be with his family on Christmas Day.

“At the checkpoint they, ISIS, found him and took him from the car. They took him out and they beat him and he was killed. His family didn’t get to see him for Christmas Day but they did see him again.”

When the parents of that young man saw him again, Father Dergham explains, his body had been delivered to them in a plastic bag, chopped into pieces.

“We’ve received many of our people in parts,” he says.

Like the time a taxi driver the young priest used to work with was returned to his family.

“He disappeared and they found his taxi on the side of the street and we never heard of him for three months,” he says.

“He was rich so they asked his family for a lot of money to have him returned. The family paid but still he was killed. He was returned though, in a plastic bag. They received his decapitated body. He had been tortured.”

He describes bodies found in shallow graves cut up into pieces and piled on top of each other. Men held captive working as slaves and being fed only a piece of cheese or a chunk of bread each day, and women sold as sex slaves.

Father Dergham described more atrocities than can be listed here, and many too distressing to publish. But he says people need to know about the reality of what is going on in Syria to understand that the people there just need leave.

“The situation in Syria is now nearly unbearable and that’s why people are leaving,” he says.

“They are leaving in masses and probably no one will stay, even in the safe areas because they will no longer be safe. Anyone, any Christian who is still there lives in constant fear and they are right to be in fear.”

Since the civil war and the infiltration of ISIS, Father Dergham says everyone he knows who was happy in Syria has left or is trying to since their cities have been taken over.

They make up some of the 4.1 million Syrians fleeing their homeland after more than four years of civil war, making it the worst refugee crisis the world has seen since the genocide of Rwanda.


Their desperation and the reality of their journey has been revealed today in the faces of children in Hungary, sprayed with tear gas as they try to cross the border into Hungary.

On Monday, 10,000 migrants crossed the Hungary Serbia border. Their treatment by protesters and police have angered human rights groups, but also serve to show the reality of Syrians’ struggles.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott last week began discussions about resettling 12,000 refugees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq.

When Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull took the top job earlier this week, he praised Mr Abbott for his generosity towards Syrian refugees, but he’ll now likely be under pressure to take more.

The US is looking to resettle at least 10,000 refugees Syrian refugees — a marked increase to the 1800 it has taken in since the conflict erupted.

European countries have been praised for their willingness to accept asylum seekers, with Germany saying it is prepared to take up to 800,000 asylum seekers entering its country this year.



tbc
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #536 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm
 


Quote:
        European countries have been praised for their willingness to accept asylum seekers, with Germany saying it is prepared to take up to 800,000 asylum seekers entering its country this year.

Father Dergham says he would like to see Australia take in “many thousands of Syrian people”.

“I feel sad because I don’t think Australians would like to leave refugees with no choice,” he says.

“I would like to see Australia take many thousands, I know that they are pushing for another 12,000 and we are for even more. We ask Australia to be more generous and have a hand in history in helping immigrants here.”

While Father Dergham said he supported a much-criticised proposal last week for the government to prioritise Christians, he justified this saying he had seen Christian people be personally persecuted in Syria, and (non-christian) militants causing disruptions.

“I’m aware that some migrants, refugees, do somehow disturb the social order and some do more for the progress of Australia and that needs to be considered,” he said.

“The Christian community here, they want to see Australia bring more persecuted people here and make sure they are safe.”

He said he also wanted Australians, and the Australian government, to not be afraid of taking in more of his people.

“The majority of the Syrian community here arrived before the Syrian war, they arrived for economic reasons, they are well established. Many of them have degrees, they are policemen, they have businesses, they are willing to help with everything they can offer and provide, and they are hoping to see Australia take a positive direction and contribute to the release of these Syrians who are suffering, and help everyone back in Syria.”
      


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/syrian-priest-father-rahal-dergham-tell...

I just had a fair and just idea.

For every single christian we accept from any islamic country we should deport 2 muslims to that country.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #537 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:44am
 

refuse ALL muslims entry to your free country

Quote:
AN Iraqi man with links to Islamic terrorist groups has been shot dead by police in Berlin after he stabbed an officer in the neck area with a knife on Thursday morning.


Police responded to reports of the man — now identified as 41-year-old Rafik Mohamad Yousef — threatening passers-by with a knife in the West Berlin district of Spandau at about 10am.
Yousef reportedly stabbed a 44-year-old female police officer in the neck with a nine-centimetre blade as she approached him.


An officer then opened fire on Yousef, killing him but also accidentally hitting the female police officer in the kidney with one stray bullet.

Despite attempts by emergency workers to revive him, Yousef died in an ambulance shortly after being shot.

Berlin chief prosecutor Dirk Feuerberg said it was too early to speculate about a “terrorist motive” and Yousef’s apartment was being searched, German news agency DPA reported.

At a press conference, Feuerberg said the injured female police officer is now in a stable condition in the intensive care unit after undergoing emergency surgery.

“We wish strength and full recovery,” Police posted to Twitter.

Prior to the attack, Yousef removed an electronic tag that he had been ordered to wear when he was released on bail. Yousef had been convicted and given a prison sentence for planning an attack against former Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi in 2004.

He was a member of Ansar al-Islam, a radical Islamic group with links to al-Qaeda, made up predominately by Iraqi Kurds. The group has a history of conflict with Islamic State.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/iraqi-terrorist-suspect-shot-dead-in-be...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #538 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 2:44pm
 

Quote:
The terror plots to attack UK

MI5 and anti-terrorism police are monitoring more than 3,000 homegrown Islamic extremists willing to carry out attacks in Britain, security sources have told The Times. British men and women, many in their teens, are being radicalised to the ...........
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #539 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:02pm
 
muslims hate everyone everywhere.

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #540 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 

muslims show their hatred and violence in belgium

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #541 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:08pm
 

aggressive violent arrogant muslims in germany

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #542 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:24pm
 
This is the thread of love.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #543 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 7:16am
 
Sprint's found his niche
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #544 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:10am
 

Quote:
IN many respects, Saudi Arabia is one of the most advanced nations in the world.

It’s the world’s largest oil producer and its cities are glitz and glamour — thriving metropolis’ in the middle of the desert.

In other ways, the desert kingdom is far from advanced, a place where barbaric rituals still occur and where the country’s citizens are subjected to horrific punishments.

It’s hard to imagine that in Saudi Arabia this week preparations are being made to not only execute a young man but to crucify him. Literally.

The world is pleading with the Saudi government to reconsider. Advocates say what’s about to take place makes them feel physically ill.

Al-Nimr was 17 when he went to an anti-government protest in the Saudi Arabian province of Qatif.

He was accused by the government of carrying a firearm, attacking security forces and even armed robbery. None of those charges could be proven but he confessed nonetheless. He didn’t have a lawyer and some say the confession was drawn from the teenager via torture.

He was demonstrating at the wrong time in the wrong place — in the middle of a violent government crackdown against detractors.

That was February, 2012. Fast forward three years and the charges have stuck, despite a recent appeal.

His sentence is due to be carried out by beheading and crucifixion, a method that involves removing the head of the prisoner and tying their headless body to a cross.

Often, the crucifixion is carried out in a public place. It sends a strong message to others: We will not stand for criticism, no matter who the person and no matter what their age.

A Scottish politician raised al-Nimr’s case in parliament this week. She spoke eloquently and she spoke in strong opposition to a practice that has no place in our modern world.

“How in 2015 can a supposedly civilised country impose such an inhumane and merciless penalty on any of its citizens, let alone one so young?” MP Margaret Ferrier said.

“It’s an absolute outrage and I intend to write to the minister and ask for urgent action to be taken.

“Ali’s sentence is due to be barbarically carried out by crucifixion. I feel for this young man and his family. Reading Ali’s story this morning filled me with grief for his life about to be savagely and abruptly ended.”

Savagery is nothing new in Saudi Arabia, a country which between 1985 and 2013 executed more than 2000 people. In 2013, 79 people were put to death. Most of them had their heads cut off with large, sharp swords.

In January this year, a woman protested her innocence until the final moment when a sword fell across her neck. She was writhing on the hard ground in a very public place trying to escape her executioner. Not once but twice did the sword fall upon her neck, the first blow clearly not getting the job done.

Elsewhere, blogger Raif Badawi was jailed for 10 years recently after starting a website for social and political debate in Saudi Arabia. Raif will receive 50 lashings a week for a year for setting up the Saudi Arabian Liberals website.

The prosecution first called for him to be tried for apostasy (when a person abandons their religion), which carries a death sentence in Saudi Arabia. Then, in May this year, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, a fine of over $300,000 AUD and 1000 lashes. When he is finally released, Raif faces a 10-year travel ban which would keep him from his wife and three young children in Canada, according to Amnesty International.

A spokesman for Amnesty International told news.com.au the last time men were strapped to crosses and killed was in 2013.

“Five Yemeni men were beheaded and crucified, with pictures emerging on social media showing five decapitated bodies hanging from a horizontal pole with their heads wrapped in bags.

“The beheading and ‘crucifixion’ took place in front of the University of Jizan where students were taking exams.”
The Saudi city of Riyadh.


Ali Mohammed al-Nimr is not the only family member under the careful watch of the Saudi government.

Ali’s uncle Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr was arrested in July, 2012. A self-described campaigner for human rights for minorities, the 53-year-old has a strong following online where a website and Facebook page have been set up to rally support for his defence.

His crimes, including speaking out against the government, carry the death penalty.

Maya Foa, director of the death penalty team at legal charity Reprieve, told the International Business Times nobody should have to go through what Ali is going through.

“Ali was a vulnerable child when he was arrested and this ordeal began. His execution — based apparently on the authorities’ dislike for his uncle, and his involvement in anti-government protests — would violate international law and the most basic standards of decency. It must be stopped.”


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/prisoner-ali-mohammed-al-nimr-facing-de...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #545 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 11:46am
 
Cesterate them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #546 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm
 
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy?? Let them go to the Ummah.
Why doesn't the Ummah take them?



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #547 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why doesn't the Ummah take them?





That's a good point, old boy. Why don't the gulf countries do the right thing and take in a few?

I agree.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #548 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy?? Let them go to the Ummah.
Why doesn't the Ummah take them?





yes, I would never have any muslim in any country I ran.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #549 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy?? Let them go to the Ummah.
Why doesn't the Ummah take them?





yes, I would never have any muslim in any country I ran.


Behead them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #550 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:31pm
 

Quote:
             Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,   


5.33 from the vulgar revolting koran
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #551 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 

Quote:
             [As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.   


5.38 from the gory mindless koran
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #552 - Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
Quote:
             Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of ‹aghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way." 


5.60 from the perverse koran
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #553 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes

Quote:
Let them go to the Ummah. Why doesn't the Ummah take them?


Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren.  Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity.  Isn't that why you fled to Australia?   Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #554 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
So muslims lack the ability to provide safety, freedom, economic prosperity.

They can spend untold $billions on rape, torture and mass murder of themselves and non muslims.

No wonder the self loathing lefties love them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #555 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 5:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy?? Let them go to the Ummah.
Why doesn't the Ummah take them?




Quote:
..............Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for........


You are correct to say that of islam.
It is what is ordered of in the koran.
It is what many muslims say.

Some muslims do a terrorist attack and their friends and family say "I did not think he would have done that!"

By their own accounts we can't trust any muslim.

Ban islam
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #556 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
islam is an epidemic of mental illness bequeathed by muhammad to muslims. The homicidal psychosis urged by allah constructs the most evil threat mankind has faced.

muslims do not think for themselves, they are obsessed with becoming clones of muhammad. They are ruled by the prophet's sunnah.

They are possessed by the satanic desire to imitate how muhammad carried out prayers, cleansing his face, hands and feet. They want to imitate muhammad cleaning his teeth, nose and ears. They mimic his eating, licking of fingers after eating, which foods he liked or disliked, sleeping habits, dress style, type of material his clothes were made of. The length of his beard his beard? Did he perform ablution before going to his wives or after? With which foot did he enter the toilet? Did he stand up or squat down?

They all experience demonic euphoria, as they ingest the islamic doctrine of thieving, lying, pedophilia, rape, torture and mass murder.

The most backward people on earth.

Too stupid to realize, why they are what they are.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Sep 20th, 2015 at 6:40pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #557 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #558 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren.  Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity.  Isn't that why you fled to Australia?   Roll Eyes




Why doesn't the Islamic Ummah provide permanent safety and prosperity to Muslims??

Why do Muslims have to seek safety and prosperity among the kuffar?

By moving to the West, they repudiate Islam. By carrying on as Muslims once they are in the West, they repudiate the West.

Do not bring Islam to the West, it is not a positive contribution. Make your utopian Islamic Ummah a reality in the 'Muslim lands' (which is what everyone is fleeing). 

Islam is the Bad News. It's the cancer in the Middle East which is now metastasising to the rest of the world.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #559 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   You really need to get out and about more, rather than being stuck behind your computer screen.  You need to meet real people, real Muslims who manage that reconciliation all the time.   Just as modern Christians do.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #560 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:29am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren.  Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity.  Isn't that why you fled to Australia?   Roll Eyes




Why doesn't the Islamic Ummah provide permanent safety and prosperity to Muslims??

Why do Muslims have to seek safety and prosperity among the kuffar?

By moving to the West, they repudiate Islam. By carrying on as Muslims once they are in the West, they repudiate the West.

Do not bring Islam to the West, it is not a positive contribution. Make your utopian Islamic Ummah a reality in the 'Muslim lands' (which is what everyone is fleeing). 

Islam is the Bad News. It's the cancer in the Middle East which is now metastasising to the rest of the world.


You really do have rather a black and white view on the world, Soren.  Time you grew up a little bit, instead of hiding behind your Freudian masque all the time.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #561 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 10:11am
 

Compelling arguments made by Soren, in two posts #557, and #558, imo.


Watch this YT, if you deny Soren's logic.

---------- >

Welcome To Belgistan -- The New Muslim Capital Of Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKk15KcqNk



.



Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren
but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.
   Roll Eyes





Brian,

What you are stating [above], does not make sense.

YOU ARE STATING,      ....that not all moslems, are moslems.     !!!!!

YOU ARE STATING,      ....that not all moslems, are committed to furthering the political aims of their own ISLAMIC community.



When full well, you know that    ---------- >

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.




Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine allows/agrees;

ALL non-moslems ['disbelievers'] are 'guilty' people.
And that it is 'lawful' for a moslem to kill those, who do not believe, as they [moslems] believe.


e.g.
Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity
."


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...


N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."


And moslems can draw authority for that mainstream doctrine, from Koran verses, such as.....

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #562 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 10:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes




Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.


You really need to get out and about more, rather than being stuck behind your computer screen.  You need to meet real people, real Muslims who manage that reconciliation all the time.   Just as modern Christians do.    Roll Eyes




Brian,

I do NOT believe that you are so naive.


But i do believe that you are not being honest with OzPol members.




.




IMAGE...
...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

SEE ALSO --------- >

------------- >

Please watch this YT...
David Wood on the 3 stages of Jihad
                 24 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg

As an informative and revelatory YouTube on ISLAM,
Yadda gives this David Wood YouTube 5/5 stars.




If you are a person who loves truth, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

If you believe that knowledge of what is true, should be important in directing YOUR choices, in your life, please watch that David Wood YouTube.




.




Brian,

You really CANNOT be so naive.


[imo, you have another allegiance/agenda, which you are not revealing to OzPol members.]

Puppy love, is it ???




Quote:
July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."
Google




.



Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"



Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #563 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:10pm
 
Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad



Sunnahs of Eating:

* Sit and eat on the floor.
* Spread out a cloth on the floor first before eating.
* Wash both hands up to the wrists.
* Recite "Bismillah wa'la barakatillah' aloud.
* Eat with the right hand.
* Eat from the side that is in front of you.
* If a morsel of food falls down, pick it up, clean it and eat it.
* Do not find fault with the food.
* When eating, sit with either both knees on the ground or one knee raised or both knees raised.
* Clean the plate and other utensils thoroughly after eating..
* By doing this, the utensils make dua for one's forgiveness.
* Recite dua after eating. (Al hamdu lillahi lazi atamana saqana wo jaalna minal musalamin)
* After meals wash both the hands.
* Eat with three fingers if possible.
* One should not eat very hot food.
* Do not blow on the food.
* After eating one should lick his fingers.

Sunnahs of drinking:
* A Muslim should drink with the right hand. Shaytaan Drinks with the left hand.
* Sit and drink.
* Recite "Bismillah" before drinking.
* After drinking say "Alhamdullilah" .
* Drink in 3 breaths removing the utensil from the mouth after each sip.
* Do not drink directly from the jug or bottle. One should pour the contents into a glass first and then drink.

Sunnahs of Sleeping:
* To sleep in the state of Wuzu.
* To make the bed yourself.
* Dust the bed thrice before retiring to bed.
* One should change into some other clothes (e.g.pyjamas ) before going to sleep.
* It is Sunnah to sleep immediately after Isha Salaah .
* To apply surmah in both the eyes.
* To brush the teeth with a miswaak.
* To sleep on the right hand side.
* To sleep with the right palm under the right cheek.
* To keep the knees slightly bent when sleeping.
* To face Qiblah.if possible.
* To recite Surah Mulk, before sleeping.
* To recite Ayatul Kursi .
* To recite Surah Ikhlaas, Surah Falaq and Surah Naas before sleeping 3 times and thereafter blow over the entire body thrice.
* Recite Tasbeeh-e-Fathima before sleeping.(33 Subhan Allah, 33 Alhamdulillah & 34 Allahu Akbar).
* To recite the dua before sleeping. (Allahumma bismika amutu wa ahya)
* To wake up for Tahajjud Salaah .

Sunnahs on Awakening:
* On awakening rub the face and the eyes with the palms of the hands in order to remove the effects of sleep.
* Thereafter recite the dua on awakening. (Al hamdu lillahi allazi ahyana badama amatana wo ilaihunushur)
* On awakening cleanse the mouth with a miswaak..

Sunnahs when wearing clothes:
* Rasulullah (S.a.w.) loved white Clothing.
* When putting on any garment Rasulallah (S.a.w..) always began with the right limb.
* When removing any garment Rasullallah (S.a.w.) always removed the left limb first.
* Males must wear the pants above the ankles. Females should ensure that their lower garment covers their ankles.
* Males should wear a "topee" or turban. Females must wear scarves at all times.
* When wearing shoes, first wear the right shoe then the left.
* When removing them first remove the left and then The right.

Sunnahs of the Toilet :
* Enter the toilet with your head covered.
* To enter the toilet with shoes..
* Recite the dua before entering the toilet.(Allahumma inni auzbeka minal qubs wal qabaes)
* Enter with the left foot.
* To sit and urinate. One should never urinate whilst Standing.
* To leave the toilet with the right foot.
* To recite the dua after coming out of the toilet (i.e.. Ghufranaka )
* One should not face Qiblah or show his back towards the Qiblah.
* Do not speak in the toilet.
* Be very careful of the splashes of urine (being unmindful in this regard causes one to be punished in the grave).
* After relieving oneself, to cleanse oneself using water.

Couple the fanaticism of muslims obsession to mimic muhammad in every aspect, picking your nose, licking your fingers, sitting down to urinate etc. etc. with the absolute depravity preached in the qur'an, what do we have?

A bunch of backward blood crazed lunatics. A threat and incumbrance to the entire civilized world.

No wonder the self loathing lefties love muslims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #564 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:38pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:10pm:
Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad



Sunnahs of Eating:

* Sit and eat on the floor.
* Spread out a cloth on the floor first before eating.
* Wash both hands up to the wrists.
* Recite "Bismillah wa'la barakatillah' aloud.
* Eat with the right hand.
* Eat from the side that is in front of you.
* If a morsel of food falls down, pick it up, clean it and eat it.
* Do not find fault with the food.
* When eating, sit with either both knees on the ground or one knee raised or both knees raised.
* Clean the plate and other utensils thoroughly after eating..
* By doing this, the utensils make dua for one's forgiveness.
* Recite dua after eating. (Al hamdu lillahi lazi atamana saqana wo jaalna minal musalamin)
* After meals wash both the hands.
* Eat with three fingers if possible.
* One should not eat very hot food.
* Do not blow on the food.
* After eating one should lick his fingers.

Sunnahs of drinking:
* A Muslim should drink with the right hand. Shaytaan Drinks with the left hand.
* Sit and drink.
* Recite "Bismillah" before drinking.
* After drinking say "Alhamdullilah" .
* Drink in 3 breaths removing the utensil from the mouth after each sip.
* Do not drink directly from the jug or bottle. One should pour the contents into a glass first and then drink.

Sunnahs of Sleeping:
* To sleep in the state of Wuzu.
* To make the bed yourself.
* Dust the bed thrice before retiring to bed.
* One should change into some other clothes (e.g.pyjamas ) before going to sleep.
* It is Sunnah to sleep immediately after Isha Salaah .
* To apply surmah in both the eyes.
* To brush the teeth with a miswaak.
* To sleep on the right hand side.
* To sleep with the right palm under the right cheek.
* To keep the knees slightly bent when sleeping.
* To face Qiblah.if possible.
* To recite Surah Mulk, before sleeping.
* To recite Ayatul Kursi .
* To recite Surah Ikhlaas, Surah Falaq and Surah Naas before sleeping 3 times and thereafter blow over the entire body thrice.
* Recite Tasbeeh-e-Fathima before sleeping.(33 Subhan Allah, 33 Alhamdulillah & 34 Allahu Akbar).
* To recite the dua before sleeping. (Allahumma bismika amutu wa ahya)
* To wake up for Tahajjud Salaah .

Sunnahs on Awakening:
* On awakening rub the face and the eyes with the palms of the hands in order to remove the effects of sleep.
* Thereafter recite the dua on awakening. (Al hamdu lillahi allazi ahyana badama amatana wo ilaihunushur)
* On awakening cleanse the mouth with a miswaak..

Sunnahs when wearing clothes:
* Rasulullah (S.a.w.) loved white Clothing.
* When putting on any garment Rasulallah (S.a.w..) always began with the right limb.
* When removing any garment Rasullallah (S.a.w.) always removed the left limb first.
* Males must wear the pants above the ankles. Females should ensure that their lower garment covers their ankles.
* Males should wear a "topee" or turban. Females must wear scarves at all times.
* When wearing shoes, first wear the right shoe then the left.
* When removing them first remove the left and then The right.

Sunnahs of the Toilet :
* Enter the toilet with your head covered.
* To enter the toilet with shoes..
* Recite the dua before entering the toilet.(Allahumma inni auzbeka minal qubs wal qabaes)
* Enter with the left foot.
* To sit and urinate. One should never urinate whilst Standing.
* To leave the toilet with the right foot.
* To recite the dua after coming out of the toilet (i.e.. Ghufranaka )
* One should not face Qiblah or show his back towards the Qiblah.
* Do not speak in the toilet.
* Be very careful of the splashes of urine (being unmindful in this regard causes one to be punished in the grave).
* After relieving oneself, to cleanse oneself using water.

Couple the fanaticism of muslims obsession to mimic muhammad in every aspect, picking your nose, licking your fingers, sitting down to urinate etc. etc. with the absolute depravity preached in the qur'an, what do we have?

A bunch of backward blood crazed lunatics. A threat and incumbrance to the entire civilized world.

No wonder the self loathing lefties love muslims.


that's the most obsessive mindless cult i have ever seen.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #565 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   Roll Eyes



You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #566 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 6:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:29am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren.  Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity.  Isn't that why you fled to Australia?   Roll Eyes




Why doesn't the Islamic Ummah provide permanent safety and prosperity to Muslims??

Why do Muslims have to seek safety and prosperity among the kuffar?

By moving to the West, they repudiate Islam. By carrying on as Muslims once they are in the West, they repudiate the West.

Do not bring Islam to the West, it is not a positive contribution. Make your utopian Islamic Ummah a reality in the 'Muslim lands' (which is what everyone is fleeing). 

Islam is the Bad News. It's the cancer in the Middle East which is now metastasising to the rest of the world.


You really do have rather a black and white view on the world, Soren.  Time you grew up a little bit, instead of hiding behind your Freudian masque all the time.   Roll Eyes


Sooooo - why aren't Muslim countries SETTLING Muslim Syrian, Afghan, Palestinian, Iranian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Kosovar, Somali refugees?

Explain, Brain, in your infinitely nuanced and know-it-all way.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #567 - Sep 21st, 2015 at 11:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.



This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #568 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:55am
 
Nah its right because the post was right. I highly recommend a community service basic English comprehension course.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #569 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 10:27am
 
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:55am:
Nah its right because the post was right. I highly recommend a community service basic English comprehension course.


That could work. Teach them to blame Islam in English.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #570 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 11:28pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.



This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.




I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.


So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #571 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 11:28pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.



This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.




I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.


So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


Not sure, old boy. But don’t forget to write it big next time, okay?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #572 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 11:28pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for.  Why let in the enemy??


Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims.   Roll Eyes



Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


None.



This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.




I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.


So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


Not sure, old boy. But don’t forget to write it big next time, okay?



You are avoiding, PB.

Typically, you have no idea but you are shouting to deflect from that fact.

This is not a thread about typography, PB, but about sharia and secular liberal democracy.

I say they cannot be reconciled. If you disagree, explain. Otherwise go on shouting about typography, there's a good PB.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #573 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:05pm
 
We’ve had this jolly discussion plenty of times, old boy. For you, it all comes down to some middle ages ruling on the witness testimony of women being worth half of that of a man.

Liberal democracy can be reconciled with plenty of things, including (paradoxically) a monarchy,

In law, it can be reconciled with traditional Aboriginal payback law. It can be reconciled with a number of dispute resolution processes, including the Jewish Beth Din, a "court" in Melbourne. And yes, in family law, it can be reconciled with religious mediation processes like Sharia.

This, after all, is what liberalism is all about - letting individuals do whatevEr they like as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else.

Sorry to mention the l word, old boy. I know how you hate it so. I promise not to bring it up again.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #574 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   Roll Eyes



You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


I am not lying, Soren.  You offer no proof that I am knowingly telling an untruth.  Indeed, you offer no proof at all to support your claims about the irreconcilability of Sharia and Secular Liberalism.   You just shout and jump up and down.   Sorry, that doesn't cut it when I know there are Muslims who have managed to reconcile their religion with modern, Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #575 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 6:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:29am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren.  Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity.  Isn't that why you fled to Australia?   Roll Eyes




Why doesn't the Islamic Ummah provide permanent safety and prosperity to Muslims??

Why do Muslims have to seek safety and prosperity among the kuffar?

By moving to the West, they repudiate Islam. By carrying on as Muslims once they are in the West, they repudiate the West.

Do not bring Islam to the West, it is not a positive contribution. Make your utopian Islamic Ummah a reality in the 'Muslim lands' (which is what everyone is fleeing). 

Islam is the Bad News. It's the cancer in the Middle East which is now metastasising to the rest of the world.


You really do have rather a black and white view on the world, Soren.  Time you grew up a little bit, instead of hiding behind your Freudian masque all the time.   Roll Eyes


Sooooo - why aren't Muslim countries SETTLING Muslim Syrian, Afghan, Palestinian, Iranian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Kosovar, Somali refugees?

Explain, Brain, in your infinitely nuanced and know-it-all way.


They are basically selfish, Soren.  Rather simple really.  Just as Australian selfishness has surfaced under the Howard and successive Governments here downunder.   People refuse to help those in need, preferring to shuttle them off to the Gulags in Nairu and Manus Island.  Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
...
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #576 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.
Back to top
 

In the fullness of time...
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #577 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm
 
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
double plus good
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5693
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #578 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
...
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #579 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes


If you took a wrong turn while bushwalking and found yourself headed towards a cliff, would you carry on straight ahead?
Back to top
 

In the fullness of time...
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #580 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:16pm
 
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Indeed. My neighbours respect my fence. Respecting theirs is hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.

This, as the old boy might say, is the essence of liberal democracy.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #581 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm
 
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes


If you took a wrong turn while bushwalking and found yourself headed towards a cliff, would you carry on straight ahead?


Are you making a wider point here, Honky?

Are you, for example, referring to the human race?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #582 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm
 
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country. The UN is an absolute joke.
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #583 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm
 
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #584 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.


Homo's , Matty's in every thread, my goodness you are one seriously screwed up nutbar aren't you mate.

Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
double plus good
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5693
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #585 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.
I agree with everything he  wrote.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #586 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:22pm
 
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.
I agree with everything he  wrote.


That’s very brave, Homo. Just remember, it’s not your fault. You’re still a one of us.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
double plus good
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5693
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #587 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:22pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.
I agree with everything he  wrote.


That’s very brave, Homo. Just remember, it’s not your fault. You’re still a one of us.
I don't think so. I worry for Australia's future. You couldn't care less. You want Australia to be a mess of religions and ethnicities that dislike one another. Doesn't matter to you though because you'll be dead right?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #588 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:37pm
 
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:26pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:22pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 9:02pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:
LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:
double plus good wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:
... wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Perhaps.  Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.


Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention.   Oops!  Too late!   Roll Eyes
We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.


The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.


Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.
I agree with everything he  wrote.


That’s very brave, Homo. Just remember, it’s not your fault. You’re still a one of us.
I don't think so. I worry for Australia's future. You couldn’t care less.


Thanks for caring, Homo. You care so much you pretend to live near mosques and complain about the parking.

Now that’s courageous, it really is. As someone who lives near a mosque, I’m really grateful for your support.

Would you mind if I share your driveway if I’m in a spot?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #589 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 8:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   Roll Eyes



You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


I am not lying, Soren.  You offer no proof that I am knowingly telling an untruth.  Indeed, you offer no proof at all to support your claims about the irreconcilability of Sharia and Secular Liberalism.   You just shout and jump up and down.   Sorry, that doesn't cut it when I know there are Muslims who have managed to reconcile their religion with modern, Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.
You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #590 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:56am
 

Quote:
        A teenage suicide bomber fighting with al-Qa’ida-aligned rebels in Syria was filmed weeping as he was ordered to carry out his final mission, which ended in an explosion and a vast mushroom cloud. The footage shows the last moments of Jafar      


islam = extremism = death
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #591 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 1:51pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:56am:
Quote:
        A teenage suicide bomber fighting with al-Qa’ida-aligned rebels in Syria was filmed weeping as he was ordered to carry out his final mission, which ended in an explosion and a vast mushroom cloud. The footage shows the last moments of Jafar      


islam = extremism = death


Exactly. Some of them even park in your driveway.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #592 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 1:52pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 8:03am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   Roll Eyes



You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


I am not lying, Soren.  You offer no proof that I am knowingly telling an untruth.  Indeed, you offer no proof at all to support your claims about the irreconcilability of Sharia and Secular Liberalism.   You just shout and jump up and down.   Sorry, that doesn't cut it when I know there are Muslims who have managed to reconcile their religion with modern, Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.
You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.



How are they opposing things, old boy? You haven't said.

And stop saying the l word. You've banned it, remember.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #593 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 7:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 8:03am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 12:28am:
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.



Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren.   Roll Eyes



You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.


I am not lying, Soren.  You offer no proof that I am knowingly telling an untruth.  Indeed, you offer no proof at all to support your claims about the irreconcilability of Sharia and Secular Liberalism.   You just shout and jump up and down.   Sorry, that doesn't cut it when I know there are Muslims who have managed to reconcile their religion with modern, Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.
You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Yet, as I keep pointing out, old chap, there are Muslims who manage to reconcile the two views.  You have yet to prove they are opposing things.  Here is your chance.  Show us your intimate knowledge of Sharia and Islam and modern Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #594 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 8:41pm
 
Now now, Brain, don’t mention L. You’re giving the old boy a migraine already.

No offending the old boy.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #595 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 10:30pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:
Now now, Brain, don’t mention L. You’re giving the old boy a migraine already.

No offending the old boy.


I thought the new mantra was that no one could not be offended?   Cool
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #596 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 7:44pm:
Yet, as I keep pointing out, old chap, there are Muslims who manage to reconcile the two views.  You have yet to prove they are opposing things.  Here is your chance.  Show us your intimate knowledge of Sharia and Islam and modern Secular Liberalism.    Roll Eyes

They are wrong, as are you. They don't manage to reconcile the two views. They TELL you they reconciled it and you believe it, but that is an example of a fool eagerly swallowing BS.


Once again, with feeling:  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #597 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm
 
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #598 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:22pm
 

Quote:
Sydney Muslim suing for defamation - it's not extremist to call for beheading, Muslim law requires it, says he's a normal, not extreme Muslim

Hamza Cheikho was a model Sydney Muslim, he coached a kids soccer team, was devout in his religious practice nd lived a quiet life in the suburbs.   Quiet, that is until he took to Sydney's streets for the 2012 Muslim riots to deliver a sickening threat to the rest of us - all those who insult the Muslim prophet should be beheaded.

The riots were ostensibly triggered because Sydney Muslims were upset about a video.   Upset enough to take to the streets to call for mass beheadings in response.   Few had seen the video, made by someone they didn't know with no connection to Sydney.   The  quality of  life in Sydney wasn't affected by the video - but the rioting Muslims didn't want a quiet life. They had terror in mind, the terror we felt when we saw such large numbers of violent people demanding the beheading of all those who insult Mohammed. Some of them even encouraged their children to deliver the threat.
The Daily Telegraph ran a series of reports about the riots and did its best to identify the most prominent of the rioters.  Sadly the Tele adopted the politically correct label of "extremist" to describe identified rioters.   Chiekho took offence at being called an extremist, in his and many other Muslim minds, her was a normal Muslim expressing normal views.

Chiekho sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation,  his case is before a Sydney Court right now.

Here's an extract from the ABC's report on the court case yesterday.

After the video Mr Blackburn said: "Mr Cheikho, a few moments ago you said, under affirmation, that you did not agree that anyone who insults Islam should be beheaded."

Mr Cheiko said the ABC had "taken it out of context".

He went on to say that part of his interview with the ABC which did not air in that broadcast involved him explaining that under Islamic law, people who insult the prophet should be punished by death.
That's the nub of the matter - he's not a terrorist, he's a normal Muslim.   Chiekho is correct in describing Islamic law, non-negotiable for all Muslims.   Beheadings are a normal part of life in Islamic countries controlled by the Muslim Sharia -  with executions by beheading carried out in public.  And insulting their long dead leader is punished by death.

Chiekho's case is on foot before the court and jury for a full hearing - that means preliminary hearings determined that he has an arguable case to say he's been defamed by being called an extremist.  He's after hefty damages too, the ABC reports some of his evidence about how he has been affected by the extremist tag:
 
The day's evidence began with Mr Cheiko's barrister, Tom Molomby SC, asking his client how the case had affected him.

He said the negative publicity from the four articles left him: "Shattered. It made me feel less confident, very paranoid.

"I feel paranoid, like if people are looking at me they might be noticing my face from the paper. It's worn me down."

Mr Cheikho added that he had to give up a job he loved, coaching a junior football team.

Under cross examination, Mr Blackburn pointed out that Mr Cheikho had been to a conference organised by Hizb Ut-Tahrir about the same film that triggered the riot.
Mr Cheikho said he had been there but said he did not know anything about Hizb Ut-Tahrir and whether it was a radical group.


Blackburn: "Is that a truthful answer?"

Cheikho: "Yes."

Blackburn: "I put it to you, Mr Cheiko, that after you said what you said to the ABC, you don't have any right to be respected for your views on Islam."

Cheikho: "I don't agree."

This case illustrates the Muslim problem.   It teaches its followers to behave in ways that are unlawful in Australia.   And we're supporting them by describing people who get caught following through on Islamic law as "extreme'.


http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2015/09/sydney-muslim-suing-for-defamation-its-n...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #599 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:31pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #600 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:49pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:31pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?



Quote:
...................Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion...


yes, that's my understanding.
you cannot remove sharia law from islam.
it's part of that cult.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #601 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:22pm:
[quote]Sydney Muslim suing for defamation - it's not extremist to call for beheading, Muslim law requires it, says he's a normal, not extreme Muslim



Love this bit:

Spicer: "So do you believe the person who made this video should be beheaded?"
Cheikho: "Yeah."
Mr Blackburn said: "Mr Cheikho, a few moments ago you said, under affirmation, that you did not agree that anyone who insults Islam should be beheaded."

Mr Cheiko said the ABC had "taken it out of context".

Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #602 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:02pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:31pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?


Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #603 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:25pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:02pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:31pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?


Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?

We are talking about reconciling two - coun them, 2, TWO, contradictory things, PB. I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

What about the
other thing in the balance
, my afflicted one (see? if it's not in a different font you simply forget it with 8 seconds)? Your dementia is worse than I thought.

What about sharia? What freedom is that about?  How is sharia reconciled with secularism, with the choice of no religion? The Jews and the Christians may get a merciful second-class staus but what does sharia say about the polytheists and atheists? 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #604 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 10:45pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:02pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:31pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:
We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?


Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?

We are talking about reconciling two - coun them, 2, TWO, contradictory things, PB. I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

What about the
other thing in the balance
, my afflicted one (see? if it's not in a different font you simply forget it with 8 seconds)? Your dementia is worse than I thought.

What about sharia? What freedom is that about?  How is sharia reconciled with secularism, with the choice of no religion? The Jews and the Christians may get a merciful second-class staus but what does sharia say about the polytheists and atheists? 


That is Sharia, old chap. Join up.through your local imam.

We’ve discussed all this. You haven’t forgotten.

You’re just having a jolly old hoot.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #605 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 12:46am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 1:22pm:
[quote]Sydney Muslim suing for defamation - it's not extremist to call for beheading, Muslim law requires it, says he's a normal, not extreme Muslim



Love this bit:

Spicer: "So do you believe the person who made this video should be beheaded?"
Cheikho: "Yeah."
Mr Blackburn said: "Mr Cheikho, a few moments ago you said, under affirmation, that you did not agree that anyone who insults Islam should be beheaded."

Mr Cheiko said the ABC had "taken it out of context".

Cheesy Cheesy



Yeah,      ....its lovely, isn't it.              Tongue

Grin


Yadda paraphrases typical moslem 'kill the infidel' comments, which often will 'inadvertently'   [   Wink  ]    issue forth from moslem lips.

"When i'm being a strident, angry, and righteous moslem; What i said means; 'MURDER THE FILTHY, STINKING KUFFAR, WHO DARES TO REJECT ISLAM's SANCTITY' !!!!

But when my angry, and righteous moslem views, [to your infidel hearing] may expose my unlawful intent;          Then what i said, means what i'm telling you now;         That you [and your camera] have totally misrepresented/misinterpreted the intent of my words.          Coz, ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith.         EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!!!!!"



e.g.

Even when they are caught 'red handed', moslems never admit to wrongdoing.

Even when they are caught 'red handed', moslems ALWAYS claim they are an innocent party who is being 'falsely' maligned.




ANOTHER EXAMPLE;      OUR VERY OWN CATMEAT SHIEK   ---------- >



"There is a trick in this film/camera!"


WATCH THE EVIDENCE OF THIS
SHAMELESS
, LYING MOSLEM....

Re Sheik Hilali,
PLEASE WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO.....

Sheik Hilaly Caught vandalizing his own Mosque
                 goto 5m 55s,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9O5KPI4qTI



.




ANOTHER 'INNOCENT' moslem that comes readily to mind ----- >

The 'INNOCENT' moslem woman who nearly had some of her clothing ripped off her, by a NSW policeman, in a 'RACIST' attack!!!!!!



Google;
carnita matthews


Google;
Carnita Matthews false complaint against racist Sydney policeman


Google;
Fake Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes and Other Lies




.



Quote:
July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."
Google



.



IMAGE...
...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...






SEE ALSO


------------- >

Please watch this YT...
David Wood on the 3 stages of Jihad
                 24 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg

As an informative and revelatory YouTube on ISLAM,
Yadda gives this David Wood YouTube 5/5 stars.




If you are a person who loves truth, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

If you believe that knowledge of what is true, should be important in directing YOUR choices, in your life, please watch that David Wood YouTube.


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #606 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:12am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.


Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no?

We can always change it, dear boy - just for you.

Let's go back to the caliphate.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #607 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:11pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:12am:
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.


Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no?




Indeed.  Not the foundational or any other principle of sharia, though. The foundational principle of sharia is illiberalism.  Yet Brain and Gandy and you and a load of other silly bVggers try to pretend that liberalism and illiberalism are reconciled and are not opposed - as long as the illiberalism is Muslim illiberalism.

You would have no difficulty to decry, say, white supremacist illiberalism.  But Muslim illiberalism is as good as liberalism to you. Or so you pretend, in complete bad faith.





Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #608 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:14pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 11:12am:
Soren wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.


Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no?




Indeed.  Not the foundational or any other principle of sharia, though. The foundational principle of sharia is illiberalism.  Yet Brain and Gandy and you and a load of other silly bVggers try to pretend that liberalism and illiberalism are reconciled and are not opposed - as long as the illiberalism is Muslim illiberalism.

You would have no difficulty to decry, say, white supremacist illiberalism.  But Muslim illiberalism is as good as liberalism to you. Or so you pretend, in complete bad faith.




Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.

Decry white supremacist illiberalism? Moi? Never. That would be most rude.

As we all know, no one has the right to not be offended.

Except the old boy.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #609 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:38am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:14pm:
Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.


Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #610 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:09am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:38am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:14pm:
Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.


Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".



I am not complaining, Gandy.   I am saying that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.

The objections to Islam are not based on its religious aspects but on its political expansionism.  You can go and live a quiet spiritual, religious life and commune with Allah all you like. But Islam is making far too large political claims for itself which are invariable contrary to secular liberalism. 

When people can walk down the street or talk to you and can't tell whether you are a Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or atheist  then there will be no particular objection to Muslim,s because they will have demonstrated that they are indeed just like anyone else and they, too, wear their religion lightly and treat it as a private thing.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #611 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:38am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:14pm:
Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.


Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".


The old boy is far from a liberal, G, he’s an old boy. He stumbles upon liberal democracy because it’s the defacto Western political model, but he is totally opposed to it. Every old boy instinct shrieks at the idea of liberalism. The old boy actually has no idea what it is - completely ignorant of the fact that it means to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else.

You know, wear pyjamas, grow a beard, have a council of imams mediate in your disputes. The old boy is perpetually torn between his tribe’s political model of liberal democracy and his need for uniformity.

You could say it’s a protestant trait that harks back to whitewashing Catholic frescoes and beheading those who wear frills.

Go back further, of course, and you’ll find the Mohammedan doing the same in Byzantium.

It’s an old racket, which is why the old boy is known as the old boy and not a liberal.Read his post above and you’ll see, yet again, that it all comes down to the beards.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #612 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm
 
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #613 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes


I’m not sure, Brain, but we do know one thing.

The old boy will use really big writing to try not to explain it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #614 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:30pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes


I’m not sure, Brain, but we do know one thing.

The old boy will use really big writing to try not to explain it.


Perhaps but I will give him the benefit of the doubt, in that regard, mate.  Afterall, he can occasionally rise to the challenge if we allow him to...    Cool
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #615 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes


I’m not sure, Brain, but we do know one thing.

The old boy will use really big writing to try not to explain it.


Perhaps but I will give him the benefit of the doubt, in that regard, mate.  Afterall, he can occasionally rise to the challenge if we allow him to...    Cool


No, BR, the best the old boy can do here is post a Roger Scrotum video and repeat the always absolutely never ever mantra.

Placing a call to ban the beard (self imposed or otherwise) into a liberal discourse is a trick akin to turning a sow’s ear into a silk purse. Can he do it?

Never ever.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #616 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm
 
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #617 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #618 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:03pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



There you go, Brain, not even a stab.

Old boy, your preferred "secular" liberal democracy has a state religion and an unelected monarch (who is also the head of that religion).

By your definition, your own preferred political model of mother England is not a liberal democracy. By extention, Australia shares that monarch and that state religion, so it cannot be a liberal democracy either.

The biggest Muslim country of Indonesia, on the other hand, has an elected head of state and no state religion. By your definition, it is a liberal democracy, not a caliphate.

It is a logical statement not a political one, innit.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #619 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.


lol what the hell are you talking about - that statement is entirely based on "what you believe or don't believe". Jeez what a dumb thing to say.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #620 - Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.


lol what the hell are you talking about - that statement is entirely based on "what you believe or don't believe". Jeez what a dumb thing to say.


Oh, indeed, as are statements like this:

Quote:
You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


The old boy's definition of liberal democracy must also, by definition, exclude the US constitution.

Lucky what the old boy believes or disbelieves is neither here nor there, eh?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #621 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #622 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #623 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:31am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
The old boy's definition of liberal democracy must also, by definition, exclude the US constitution.


As ever, you are talking tosh, PB.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #624 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:31am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
The old boy's definition of liberal democracy must also, by definition, exclude the US constitution.


As ever, you are talking tosh, PB.





It’s your definition, no? Liberal Democracy is secular. Amerika is sharia.

They can’t be reconciled, old chap. We can’t go back on it now.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #625 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.



Brain has no right to do this, OB. It makes you offended.

If Brain was liberal like he pretends, he’d agree with you, no?

This is your right, after all.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #626 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #627 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #628 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:18pm
 

Aristotle:

Another cause of revolution is difference of races which do not at once acquire a common spirit; for a state is not the growth of a day, any more than it grows out of a multitude brought together by accident. Hence the reception of strangers in colonies, either at the time of their foundation or afterwards, has generally produced revolution; for example, the Achaeans who joined the Troezenians in the foundation of Sybaris, becoming later the more numerous, expelled them; hence the curse fell upon Sybaris. At Thurii the Sybarites quarrelled with their fellow-colonists; thinking that the land belonged to them, they wanted too much of it and were driven out. At Byzantium the new colonists were detected in a conspiracy, and were expelled by force of arms; the people of Antissa, who had received the Chian exiles, fought with them, and drove them out; and the Zancleans, after having received the Samians, were driven by them out of their own city. The citizens of Apollonia on the Euxine, after the introduction of a fresh body of colonists, had a revolution; the Syracusans, after the expulsion of their tyrants, having admitted strangers and mercenaries to the rights of citizenship, quarrelled and came to blows; the people of Amphipolis, having received Chalcidian colonists, were nearly all expelled by them.
http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.5.five.html

Sooner or later either the intruders are kicked out or or they subjugate or expel the locals.

You cannot have a political entity like a city or a country where there are competing ideas of what it means to govern and be governed. There is no 'multicultural' political system - you cannot have a sharia rule and secular liberal democratic rule at the same time. It will come to grief, this sort of thing always has and always will.

Show us a political entity where this is not true.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #629 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #630 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:31pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular



And your definition of Liberalism, Soren?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #631 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:31pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular



And your definition of Liberalism, Soren?   Roll Eyes

The antonym of sharia. Yours? Don't tell me your definition of liberalism means sharia law.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #632 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes

So nobody can oppose a view except phobics.  One either agrees with you - or one is a phobic.

And you wonder why you are the Rousseau (ie. a compulsive onanist) of Ozpolitic.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #633 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:31pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular



And your definition of Liberalism, Soren?   Roll Eyes

The antonym of sharia. Yours? Don't tell me your definition of liberalism means sharia law.






You mean bans, beards, beheadings, bombings?

Sounds like old boy law to me.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #634 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:31pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular



And your definition of Liberalism, Soren?   Roll Eyes

The antonym of sharia. Yours? Don't tell me your definition of liberalism means sharia law.






You mean bans, beards, beheadings, bombings?

Sounds like old boy law to me.


What is your definition of sharia, then, idiot?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #635 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes

So nobody can oppose a view except phobics.  One either agrees with you - or one is a phobic.


Nope.  You can disagree, if you present a case based on rational thought, rather than your usual fear and loathing based around Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/etc., Soren.   Roll Eyes

Quote:
And you wonder why you are the Rousseau (ie. a compulsive onanist) of Ozpolitic.


Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #636 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #637 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:00pm
 

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #638 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:03pm
 
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #639 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes

So nobody can oppose a view except phobics.  One either agrees with you - or one is a phobic.


Nope.  You can disagree, if you present a case based on rational thought,

Cheesy Cheesy

You wouldn't recognise rational thought if it was up you to the hilt, Brain!!  You and rational thought have been estranged enemies for a long time. You are the enemy of reason, Brain, defender of PC pieties and semantic distractions.

You even ask for a definition of the most basic concepts because your schtick is to object to common sense.  You think it makes you rational but it just shows what an apparatchik of blind PC obedience you are.


You know that sharia law and secularism are incompatible, yet you are arguing the toss over definition  - as if you would accept a dictionary definition that doesn't support your idiotic agenda to present sharia Islam as indistinguishable from secular liberal democracy.

All you can EVER do is pout and say 'what is your definition that I can accept'. 

You are stupid and that is your weapon. Nobody can meet you at your level of stupidity. So you will forever be able to demand that people meet you at your level of idiocy. We will always fail.

And you think that you are thereby triumphant, you sad little fapper.

Wink

But you don't understand any of this.i
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Secret Wars
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3928
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #640 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes

So nobody can oppose a view except phobics.  One either agrees with you - or one is a phobic.


Nope.  You can disagree, if you present a case based on rational thought,

Cheesy Cheesy

You wouldn't recognise rational thought if it was up you to the hilt, Brain!!  You and rational thought have been estranged enemies for a long time. You are the enemy of reason, Brain, defender of PC pieties and semantic distractions.

You even ask for a definition of the most basic concepts because your schtick is to object to common sense.  You think it makes you rational but it just shows what an apparatchik of blind PC obedience you are.


You know that sharia law and secularism are incompatible, yet you are arguing the toss over definition  - as if you would accept a dictionary definition that doesn't support your idiotic agenda to present sharia Islam as indistinguishable from secular liberal democracy.

All you can EVER do is pout and say 'what is your definition that I can accept'. 

You are stupid and that is your weapon. Nobody can meet you at your level of stupidity. So you will forever be able to demand that people meet you at your level of idiocy. We will always fail.

And you think that you are thereby triumphant, you sad little fapper.

Wink

But you don't understand any of this.i


Nice one.   Smiley
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #641 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:20am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:29am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren?  Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought?   Roll Eyes

Grin

And you imagine yourself a 'liberal', open-minded man  - even though your reflex is to label any and all different views as phobias.


No, I label those who suffer from these phobias as being phobic, Soren.  I question and listen to their answers and make my mind up on evidence.  You, just make your mind up.   Roll Eyes

So nobody can oppose a view except phobics.  One either agrees with you - or one is a phobic.


Nope.  You can disagree, if you present a case based on rational thought,

Cheesy Cheesy

You wouldn't recognise rational thought if it was up you to the hilt, Brain!!  You and rational thought have been estranged enemies for a long time. You are the enemy of reason, Brain, defender of PC pieties and semantic distractions.

You even ask for a definition of the most basic concepts because your schtick is to object to common sense.  You think it makes you rational but it just shows what an apparatchik of blind PC obedience you are.


You know that sharia law and secularism are incompatible, yet you are arguing the toss over definition  - as if you would accept a dictionary definition that doesn't support your idiotic agenda to present sharia Islam as indistinguishable from secular liberal democracy.

All you can EVER do is pout and say 'what is your definition that I can accept'. 

You are stupid and that is your weapon. Nobody can meet you at your level of stupidity. So you will forever be able to demand that people meet you at your level of idiocy. We will always fail.

And you think that you are thereby triumphant, you sad little fapper.

Wink

But you don't understand any of this.


Still waiting on that definition, Soren.  You know, what is Liberalism?   I suspect you'll continue to dissemble, rant, rave and insult, rather than answer the question.  It's just your never ever tactics...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #642 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:32am
 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #643 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:34am
 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #644 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:07am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:31pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
What I believe or don't believe is neither here nor there.  It is still true that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.
It is a logical statement, not a political one.



You keep making this claim, Soren but you present no proof!  How about you PROVE that they mean opposite things?   Demonstrate to us how they are opposites, please, rather than just endlessly repeating your slogans and expecting us to accept them!   Roll Eyes

I have shown you how they are, by definition, irreconcilable.

I even used large font, yet you still missed it.

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:
  The proof I offer is that sharia and secularism are, by definition, opposing things. Sharia and liberalism are, again by definition, opposing things.   You cannot be both bound by Islamic law and be free from Islamic law.


Sharia means Islamic religious law.  Secular means unconnected to any religion.  SO you cannot be both observant of religious law and unconnected to any religion.

Only a total prat like you would actually believe that paradoxes, such as a secular, sharia observant Muslim, are possible.




But you haven't provided a definition which we can all agree on, Soren.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



^^^^

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/sharia

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/secular



And your definition of Liberalism, Soren?   Roll Eyes

The antonym of sharia. Yours? Don't tell me your definition of liberalism means sharia law.






You mean bans, beards, beheadings, bombings?

Sounds like old boy law to me.


What is your definition of sharia, then, idiot?



Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #645 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:23am
 
Nice to see you respond to him addressing you.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #646 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:49am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:07am:
Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject.

And you can try as hard as you like, you cannot reconcile a thing that is about the supremacy of Islamic religious law and the other which is about the absence of any religious law.


Liberalism doesn't mean submission to Islamic religious law, which is what sharia is.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #647 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:02am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:07am:
Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject..



Right. So why are you so silent on the fact that Indonesia (the biggest Muslim country) is a secular republic and Uncle is a nation "under God"? Why are you so quiet on Mother England (and Australia) having a state religion with its monarch as its head?

Let me guess: these countries are peaceful. Uncle and Mother and Australia don't bomb and kill and invade others. They keep to themselves. Indonesia wants to take over the world.

That's it, isn't it, old chap?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #648 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:02am:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:49am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:07am:
Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject..



Right. So why are you so silent on the fact that Indonesia (the biggest Muslim country) is a secular republic and Uncle is a nation "under God"? Why are you so quiet on Mother England (and Australia) having a state religion with its monarch as its head?

Let me guess: these countries are peaceful. Uncle and Mother and Australia don't bomb and kill and invade others. They keep to themselves. Indonesia wants to take over the world.

That's it, isn't it, old chap?

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.
But you have not shown that sharia and secular liberal democracy are compatible or reconcilable.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #649 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.


No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:
Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #650 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:00pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.


No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:
Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?





In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
                   The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


Separation of state and Church, innit.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #651 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:04pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:00pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.


No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:
Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?





In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
                   The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


Separation of state and Church, innit.




Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?
Back to top
« Last Edit: Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:12pm by Big Donger »  
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #652 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 2:07pm
 
Backward Sharia Law will never come to this country except in the little grubby muslim enclaves where we allow them to breed.

If they want it mainstream they will be slapped down by good ole aussies back to the shithole dumps from whence they came. Too Easy. Sharia Law is a joke only a mentally derange fool would entertain such comedy as being serious.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #653 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 8:36pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:00pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.


No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:
Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?





In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
                   The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


Separation of state and Church, innit.




Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?

Which means that sharia cannot be constitutionally established in Australia.

So no Islamic jurisdiction - sharia is incompatible with secular liberal democracy.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #654 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #655 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?






You somehow, once again, inexplicably, on purpose you have avoided addressing THE pertinent point even as it pushes itself, like a dirty big schwanz, in your face,  PB. And you are not one to miss dirty big swinging schwanzes within a 10 mile radius.

I highlighted it for you in case you at a loss again.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #656 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #657 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap



Stop it.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #658 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.


What?  Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia?  Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon?   Good.  I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #659 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.


What?  Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia?  Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon?   Good.  I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

You are kidding yourself, fapper.

You are standing up to nothing. All you are doing is preening in public, pretending to be oh-so morally upright and conscientious.

You are a fraud, an idiot, a poseur.  And a fapper.


You have never presented a coherent argument in your life. All you EVER do is label others as racists, Islamophobes. All you ever do is throw labels around like a mad woman throwing around her underwear. Stupid, tired, shopworn namecalling is all you have, Brain.





Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #660 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.


What?  Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia?  Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon?   Good.  I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

You are kidding yourself, fapper.

You are standing up to nothing. All you are doing is preening in public, pretending to be oh-so morally upright and conscientious.

You are a fraud, an idiot, a poseur.  And a fapper.


You have never presented a coherent argument in your life. All you EVER do is label others as racists, Islamophobes. All you ever do is throw labels around like a mad woman throwing around her underwear. Stupid, tired, shopworn namecalling is all you have, Brain.


You appear to be projecting, Soren.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #661 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:35pm
 
Actually soren was spot on about you.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #662 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 8:36pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:00pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.


No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:
Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.


Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?





In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
                   The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.


Separation of state and Church, innit.




Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?

Which means that sharia cannot be constitutionally established in Australia.

So no Islamic jurisdiction - sharia is incompatible with secular liberal democracy.




Oh, old boy, it seems I’m going to have to speak Lutheran.

Of course Sharia can’t be constitutionally established in Australia.


I can’t even see how it can be constitutionally established in most majority Muslim liberal democracies.

Happy now?

The inverse also applies. People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.

Unhappy now?

We aim to please, dear boy.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #663 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:41pm
 
If you aim to please then leave us alone in our own country.

You should be happier in the home town.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #664 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:46pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 1:04pm:
Why exclude the hudud??  Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?






You somehow, once again, inexplicably, on purpose you have avoided addressing THE pertinent point even as it pushes itself, like a dirty big schwanz, in your face,  PB. And you are not one to miss dirty big swinging schwanzes within a 10 mile radius.

I highlighted it for you in case you at a loss again.



About two to three jurisdictions in the world have legislated Hudud, old boy. I’d hardly call Saudi Arabia a liberal democracy, despite the best intentions of Uncle and Mother (to keep it that way).

You are, of course, free to practice Hudud in your own bedroom. Anyone for schwanz?

Miam miam.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #665 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:54pm
 
Islam Exposed (Origin of Islam)

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #666 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:01am
 

Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #667 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:18am
 
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Actually soren was spot on about you.


Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe.

He has never been right about anything ... ever.

No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.


Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #668 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:48am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:18am:
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Actually soren was spot on about you.


Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe.

He has never been right about anything ... ever.

No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.




I take it you have sour grapes over soren making an utter fool of you in the past mr peccarypantsdown.

Soren is clearly not scared of confronting muslims so that negates him of being an islamophobe. He may detest little poofters however. I can understand why that get up your colon I guess.

Not that theres anything wrong with that
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #669 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:00am
 
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:18am:
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Actually soren was spot on about you.


Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe.

He has never been right about anything ... ever.

No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.




I take it you have sour grapes over soren making an utter fool of you in the past mr peccarypantsdown.

Soren is clearly not scared of confronting muslims so that negates him of being an islamophobe. He may detest little poofters however. I can understand why that get up your colon I guess.

Not that theres anything wrong with that



Yes.

Sore End is an Islamophobe and a homophobe.

That's never been a secret.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #670 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:12am
 
And that upsets you because ?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #671 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 8:08am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.


Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel.

And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #672 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:21am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 8:08am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.


Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel.

And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.



Sharia law includes both criminal and civil/family law. The Sharia law practiced in Australia is civil and family law. You know this - we've had this discussion many times.

It's all legal and it fits perfectly within the values of liberal democracy.

Sharia law is human law. To pretend anything else, for a Muslim, is blasphemy. Given your old boy mindset, you naturally assume things like constitutions and laws and yes, Sharia law, are lists of commands writ in stone. With the exception of some criminal laws (such as mandatory minimum sentences), they're not. They're guidelines. Sharia law is a collection of principles. Like our own legal system, it changes according to circumstances. Even the barbaric Hudud punishments are not applied universally in the countries that practice this. Saudi Arabia and Iran practice very different versions.

I'm curious: if you can't exclude Hudud from Sharia, why is Hudud confined to a tiny fraction of the world's Muslim population?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #673 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:21am:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 8:08am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 11:38pm:
People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.


Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel.

And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.



Sharia law includes both criminal and civil/family law. The Sharia law practiced in Australia is civil and family law. You know this - we've had this discussion many times.

It's all legal and it fits perfectly within the values of liberal democracy.

Sharia law is human law. To pretend anything else, for a Muslim, is blasphemy. Given your old boy mindset, you naturally assume things like constitutions and laws and yes, Sharia law, are lists of commands writ in stone. With the exception of some criminal laws (such as mandatory minimum sentences), they're not. They're guidelines. Sharia law is a collection of principles. Like our own legal system, it changes according to circumstances. Even the barbaric Hudud punishments are not applied universally in the countries that practice this. Saudi Arabia and Iran practice very different versions.

I'm curious: if you can't exclude Hudud from Sharia, why is Hudud confined to a tiny fraction of the world's Muslim population?

Hudud is the heart of sharia.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #674 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:17pm
 
And "one nation under God" is the heart of liberal democracy, Amerikan style.

Better whack your points in large font from here on in, old boy. You’re running out of swanz.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #675 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.


What?  Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia?  Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon?   Good.  I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

Islamophobia is bunkum.


There is nothing to like about Islam so the charge of 'islamophobia' is empty and stupid.  That is why you, unthinking and unmoored,  persist with it as if it meant anything.  You are too stupid to realise that you are banging on about a busted slogan.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #676 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:12am:
And that upsets you because ?


Stating facts doesn't upset me.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #677 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #678 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:27pm
 
Now now, Greggery, the old boy has a right to not be offended. Calling him a phobe is very mean.

The old boy has so much love he often can’t express it. If you knew him, you’d know that he’s hardly a phobe.

He’s more of a phile.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #679 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.


Keep Islam in Islamic countries. Let it flourish there.


Keep Islam out of non-Islamic countries.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #680 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us?   Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.


But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us.  I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language.  The honour is all yours, mate.   You knew it, was it because you do it?    Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are.  You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal.  You fap, I call you a fapper.  Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap.  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.


What?  Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia?  Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon?   Good.  I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia.   Roll Eyes

Islamophobia is bunkum.


There is nothing to like about Islam so the charge of 'islamophobia' is empty and stupid. 


1.6 Billion Muslims would tend to disagree with you, Soren.   Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 46311
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #681 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:49pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.


Keep Islam in Islamic countries. Let it flourish there.

Keep Islam out of non-Islamic countries.


Looks like Indonesia is stuffed then, Soren.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #682 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.


Keep Islam in Islamic countries. Let it flourish there.


Keep Islam out of non-Islamic countries.



Yep, that's what all Islamophobes say.

Your irrational fear has taken over your life.

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #683 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.


Keep Islam in Islamic countries. Let it flourish there.


No no, old boy, we have to carpetbomb them, remember?

Islam must not be allowed to flourish. After all, we’re liberals.

White man’s burden, innit.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #684 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
And "one nation under God" is the heart of liberal democracy, Amerikan style.

Better whack your points in large font from here on in, old boy. You’re running out of swanz.

Nonsense, as always.    There is no such expression in the American constitution.

You are referring to the the pledge of allegiance which is everywhere an entirely voluntary recitation of allegiance to the flag, the symbol of the country.

Have a banana, PB. Have two.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #685 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:16pm:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
And "one nation under God" is the heart of liberal democracy, Amerikan style.

Better whack your points in large font from here on in, old boy. You’re running out of swanz.

Nonsense, as always.    There is no such expression in the American constitution.

You are referring to the the pledge of allegiance which is everywhere an entirely voluntary recitation of allegiance to the flag, the symbol of the country.

Have a banana, PB. Have two.



Good point, old boy. Thanks for clarifying that, it's good information.

But look what I found on Australia:

Quote:
"Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown ... Be it therefore enacted ... as follows:"[23]


Interestingly, Western Australia's not mentioned as it wasn't known at the time of writing whether it would join the Commonwealth.

Looks like we're not a liberal democracy after all, eh?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #686 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:36pm
 
Here's a few more, old chap:

Liberals.

Quote:
"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"[30]


Lutherans.

Quote:
"Conscious of their responsibility before God and man, (...) the German people, in the exercise of their constituent power, have adopted this Basic Law."[34]


Papists.

Quote:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial, (...) do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution


Cannibals.

Quote:
"WE, THE PEOPLE OF THE FIJI ISLANDS, SEEKING the blessing of God who has always watched over these islands: RECALLING the events in our history that have made us what we are, especially the settlement of these islands by the ancestors of the indigenous Fijian and Rotuman people; the arrival of forebears of subsequent settlers, including Pacific Islanders, Europeans, Indians and Chinese; the conversion of the indigenous inhabitants of these islands from heathenism to Christianity through the power of the name of Jesus Christ; the enduring influence of Christianity in these islands and its contribution, along with that of other faiths, to the spiritual life of Fiji: ... WITH GOD AS OUR WITNESS, GIVE OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION"[33]


And here's the Muselman. I got it wrong on Indonesia. Looks like they're despicable Mohammedans after all.

Quote:
"... By the grace of God Almighty and urged by the lofty aspiration to exist as a free nation, Now therefore, the people of Indonesia declare herewith their independence, ..."
"... which is to be established as the State of the Republic of Indonesia with sovereignty of the people and based on the belief in the One and Only God, ..."[37]
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #687 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:00pm
 
Do tell us how these preambles establish a theocratic system of law where the the religious teachings inform the lawmakers, as they do under sharia - there's a good Paki B Vgger.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #688 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Do tell us how these preambles establish a theocratic system of law where the the religious teachings inform the lawmakers, as they do under sharia - there's a good Paki B Vgger.





No, old boy, it’s now up to you to tell us how religion - "any religion" - is compatible with secular liberal democracy.

Over to you.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ordinaryguy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 625
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #689 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:50pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Islamophobia is bunkum.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.


Keep Islam in Islamic countries. Let it flourish there.


Keep Islam out of non-Islamic countries.



Yep, that's what all Islamophobes say.

Your irrational fear has taken over your life.



No that's what everyone is saying. Except looney apologists and muslims of course.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #690 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:50am
 

Another lying extremist terrorist muslim who dislikes being with muslims

Quote:
A BRITISH mother who travelled to Syria with her five young children to live among ISIS fighters described the experience as “not my cup of tea.”

Shukee Begum, 33, said she went to the war-torn country to find her husband Jamal al-Harith, a ­former Guantánamo Bay ­detainee who left Britain 18 months ago to join the group.

Harith, a Muslim convert born Ronald Fiddler, was released from Guantánamo Bay and repatriated to Britain in 2004 after lobbying by the British government.

A law graduate from northern England, Ms Begum insists she only travelled to persuade her husband to return and never ­supported the ISIS militants, who have carved out regions of control in Iraq and Syria.

“I was seeing on the news at this point that Isis was going from bad to worse ... So I decided that I was going to try and speak some sense into him,” she told Channel 4 in an exclusive interview.

“My husband is a family man. I’ve always known him. I’ve been married to him for 11 years. I’ve always known him to be a good man with good characteristics.”

At first, Ms Begum lived in an overcrowded safe house in the ISIS-controlled city of Raqqa with “hundreds of families living in one hall”, many “crying” and “sick”, who were sharing one or two bathrooms.

“There was a gangster-kind-of mentality among single women there. Violent talk, talking about war, killing,” Ms Begum said.

“They would sit together and huddle around their laptops and watch ISIS videos together and discuss them and everything. It was just not my cup of tea.”
ISIS fighter ... Jamal al-Harith joined ISIS in Syria after being released from Guantánamo Bay. Picture: Channel 4 News

After she was reunited with her husband, who refused to help her leave, ISIS authorities would not allow her to go, Ms Begum added.

“This is what I want to make clear as well to other women thinking of coming into ISIS territory — that you can’t just expect to come into ISIS territory and then expect that you can just leave again easily,” she said. “There is no personal autonomy there at all.”

She was smuggled out of the territory before being held captive in the city of Aleppo, and is now living close to the border with Turkey and hopes to move back to Britain.

“I’d love to go back to the UK. The UK is my home. I grew up there. My friends are there. My family are there. That’s where I consider to be home,” she said.

“But I’m just not sure at the moment, with the track record of the current government, if the UK is somewhere I can achieve justice. I hope I’m wrong.”

Hundreds of Britons have travelled to join Islamic State.

A report released last month indicated dozens of fighters have defected from the group, notorious for beheadings and blowing up ­ancient monuments, due to disillusionment over killing ­fellow Sunni Muslims and ­civilians.

Originally published as ‘ISIS was just not my cup of tea’


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/british-mum-who-took-five-kids-to-live-...

never ever take her or any of her spawn back
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #691 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 11:08am
 
Big Donger wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:59pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Do tell us how these preambles establish a theocratic system of law where the the religious teachings inform the lawmakers, as they do under sharia - there's a good Paki B Vgger.





No, old boy, it’s now up to you to tell us how religion - "any religion" - is compatible with secular liberal democracy.

Over to you.



The evidence is everywhere, PB.   The Commonwealth has some of the freest and best countries yet the Head is the Defender of the Faith as well. The Scandinavian countries also have national religions.

These are free, well-ordered societies with no compulsion in religion.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #692 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:34pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 11:08am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:59pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Do tell us how these preambles establish a theocratic system of law where the the religious teachings inform the lawmakers, as they do under sharia - there's a good Paki B Vgger.





No, old boy, it’s now up to you to tell us how religion - "any religion" - is compatible with secular liberal democracy.

Over to you.



The evidence is everywhere, PB.   The Commonwealth has some of the freest and best countries yet the Head is the Defender of the Faith as well. The Scandinavian countries also have national religions.

These are free, well-ordered societies with no compulsion in religion.


No compulsion in religion, old chap, and no religious compulsion in liberal democracy. That’s the ticket.

And yet, you are compelled to stifle the religious expression of others. Headwear, beards, pyjamas, and an obsessive drive to bury any form of difference to your own atheist version of leiderhosen-donning, cheese-snorting, sheisen-essen Lutheranism.

Some would say emmigrating to a liberal democracy to try to turn it into a Lutheran theocracy is hubris of the highest order.  But not I, dear boy. We’re a rich tapestry. We welcome all types. Our society works because extremist.old boy shriekers give the rest of us a jolly old chuckle.

And I, for one, wouldn’t have it any other way.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
averageguy
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 235
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #693 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:39pm
 
Or grubby little muslims who don't like it can just smack off back to their own dumps of countries or any islamic dump that will have them. I am sure there are many.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #694 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 5:38pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 11:08am:
Big Donger wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:59pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Do tell us how these preambles establish a theocratic system of law where the the religious teachings inform the lawmakers, as they do under sharia - there's a good Paki B Vgger.





No, old boy, it’s now up to you to tell us how religion - "any religion" - is compatible with secular liberal democracy.

Over to you.



The evidence is everywhere, PB.   The Commonwealth has some of the freest and best countries yet the Head is the Defender of the Faith as well. The Scandinavian countries also have national religions.

These are free, well-ordered societies with no compulsion in religion.


No compulsion in religion, old chap, and no religious compulsion in liberal democracy. That’s the ticket.

And yet, you are compelled to stifle the religious expression of others. 

Ken oath, pal.  I want to stifle Islam's violent claims for itself and all its sons who proclaim it and strut their stuff. I want to stifle 15 year old punks and their elders who enable him to shoot an accountant in the head, others to stab police officers and other still to plot bloody mayhem.

I absolutely do want to stifle them.  I absolutely reject their pathetic claims of 'religious freedom' as I reject your idiotic argument that I must not stifle the 'religious' freedom of Muslims plotting and carrying out bloody mayhem for Mohammed and Allah.







Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #695 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 6:04pm
 
No, old chap, all of us want to stifle murder. You, remember, want to stifle beards.

This is why you’ll never ever feel at home in a liberal democracy.

Ever thought of moving to Saudi Arabia?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #696 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 6:09pm
 
averageguy wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:39pm:
Or grubby little muslims who don't like it can just smack off back to their own dumps.


Now now, that would be most unfair on the old boy.

Remember, no one has the right to not be offended, and no one has the right to belong to a religion with beards.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
averageguy
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 235
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #697 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 10:18pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 6:09pm:
averageguy wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:39pm:
Or grubby little muslims who don't like it can just smack off back to their own dumps.


Now now, that would be most unfair on the old boy.

Remember, no one has the right to not be offended, and no one has the right to belong to a religion with beards.


Old boy ??? you make no sense.

Anyone can grow a beard, you seem like you are losing it because no one in this country likes grubby little muslims.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #698 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 2:25pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 6:09pm:
averageguy wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 1:39pm:
Or grubby little muslims who don't like it can just smack off back to their own dumps.


Now now, that would be most unfair on the old boy.

Remember, no one has the right to not be offended, and no one has the right to belong to a religion with beards.




"I dunno, I got a lot of anger, it's a war on Islam just because we grow our beards. They want to label us as a terrorist, or supporters of IS [Islamic State], whatever, that's up to you."


Mr Alou said he was angry that police had targeted his older brother and several of his friends, who he admitted were being watched by ASIO.
He said his brother, Kawa, had recently served three years in jail for a violent assault and hung around with "hot heads".
The Alous' home was raided again last week in connection to the murder of Mr Cheng outside Parramatta police headquarters on October 2.
Mr Alou was detained and charged on Thursday night with the Commonwealth offence of[url] aiding, abetting, counselling and procuring the commission of a terrorist act[/url].

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/parramatta-shooting-arrest-terror-suspect-lashed-out-a...


It's all about the beards. Aiding, abetting, counselling and procuring of a terrorist act has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', especially not wiv allahu akhbaring.

And mysteriously (ie it's a conspiracy), hipster beards are not targeted. An OBVIOUS war on Islam due to beards.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bazza
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 331
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #699 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 4:11pm
 
I fail to see why islamists cry about being at war with the west. Its what they want.

Every single one of them would have to be mentally backward to believe what they believe.

The only way is to get rid of them is get them out of our country and force the ones that stay to assimilate or get lost.

Every mosque needs to be leveled, the vulgarity of the preaching done in those terrorist training centers is physically sickening to see here in Australia.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LifeOrDeath
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1548
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #700 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 4:13pm
 
Bazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
I fail to see why islamists cry about being at war with the west. Its what they want.

Every single one of them would have to be mentally backward to believe what they believe.

The only way is to get rid of them is get them out of our country and force the ones that stay to assimilate or get lost.

Every mosque needs to be leveled, the vulgarity of the preaching done in those terrorist training centers is physically sickening to see here in Australia.


Amen
Back to top
 

There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years  after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin Grin Grin Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.
 
IP Logged
 
Crainial
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 222
Pakistainian
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #701 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:05pm
 
Ban them, bomb them.
Back to top
 

Dear,Ban them,Bomb them,Old Boy,Homo,No?
Elderly Muslim Man recently gradulated from my Madrassa.I'm curios.
Completed 10 tours of NAM.I a SUNNI  boy apologiser,Pakistainia Allahoolahoop Crackbar
Miam
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #702 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:34pm
 
Why Muslims reject integration


Islam will replace Christianity in Europe just as Christianity replaced Paganism centuries ago, and it will conquer by womb rather than the sword to make Latvia an Islamic State, claim Muslim community leaders in the Baltic country.

Speaking in an interview with Latvia’s Morning Independent newspaper, the chairman and head spokesman of the Islamic Cultural Centre, better known as Riga Mosque, said while they both had three children with their wives each “we are working to have more” in an effort to colonise the country faster.

Asked “what are the chances that Latvia will become part of the Caliphate?” white convert and centre spokesman Ahmed Robert Klimovičs said he hoped it would. On the future of the predominantly Christian nation of just two million people – less than the population of Britain’s second city – Mr. Klimovičs said: “Latvians understand that in 50 years this will be an Islamic State. This is because Islamic children will be in the majority”.

“Islam is the best way to conquer the world in the form of peace”, he said.  (He's kidding. ed.)

Centre chairman Abu Hamza Umar John Lucino mocked Latvians who objected to the seemingly unstoppable tide of demographics threatening to sweep the traditions of the country away on the basis of Latvia being predominantly a Christian nation.

He asked: “We often hear this is a Christian country. Although if we look at history, what do you take as your starting point? Which year? Which century? 800 years ago, Christianity was the one moving in here, it was not the religion of the local people.

“Now Islam is entering. Except unlike Christianity, Islam is not spreading with violence”.

Latvia was one of the last places in Europe which became Christianised, not falling under the influence of Rome until the 13th century. Despite it’s comparatively recent move from Baltic paganism, Latvia remains one of the more Christian countries in Europe with nearly 80 per cent of Latvians professing either Lutheranism, Catholicism, or Orthodoxy.

The major challenge for Latvia, which gives credence to the claim that what is now a comparatively small group of Muslims will replace them in as little as two generations is the nation’s own demographic time bomb.

The fertility rate of Latvians today is just 1.4 children per couple, a figure that would be lower for native couples should faster-reproducing migrants be excluded from the calculation, and already far below the 2.1 children needed to prevent population collapse.

The interview also dashed any hope that the new arrivals, both in terms of children delivered to Muslim parents or refugees and migrants forced on the country against its will by the European Union will integrate and eventually fit in. When asked whether the remarks of government ministers, who emphasised the importance of integration of incoming communities were well founded, Mr. Klimovičs replied:

“It is absolutely clear that this merger will not take place.
Our cultures are completely different.


“If people come here who practice Islam, God will prevent them from integrating into your society, where everything is permissible. This is the largest nursing home for the elderly, with the highest suicide rate in Europe. God will protect them from having to make the choice between Islam and the culture of Coca-Cola!”.

“… I am categorically against integration. Because what does it mean to integrate? Islam will later turn on those who say this is right. But we know it is no good”.

The remarks of the spokesmen have already caused ripples of concern in Latvia, with the government citizenship, migration and social cohesion commission announcing yesterday they were seeking urgent talks with Muslim community leaders in the wake of the interview. The chairman of the commission said yesterday: “coexistence with Islam in today’s world is one of the hottest issues. One should expect this situation to suddenly worsen in Latvia… a representative of the Islamic cultural centre has claimed that in 50 years the Majority of Latvians will be Muslims.

“They can smile about this, however if the centre is a serious organisation it should be against these statements”.

Latvia has already started exporting Islamic terrorism to other parts of the world. At least one Latvian travelled to the Islamic State in 2014 to fight jihad, while the Latvian Public Broadcasting Corporation reports another two Muslims were under investigation this year for travelling to Syria. The Latvian security services expressed concern that returning fighters could post a terror threat to the country, or would work to radicalise other Muslims.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bazza
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 331
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #703 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:40pm
 
I know people not having children so they don't have to put up with the degradation and abuse islam will bring. These people are young and have done the basic math as well. At their age even they can see they don't want their children having anything to do with muslims and where it is heading.

Anything to screw the entire world up over a bloody myth. All just because others are happy living intelligent lives.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bazza
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 331
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #704 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
They need to shut every single madrassa down in this country, that's where they indoctrinate children's vulnerable minds with this sick ideaology.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
averageguy
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 235
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #705 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 6:16pm
 
Bazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:40pm:
I know people not having children so they don't have to put up with the degradation and abuse islam will bring. These people are young and have done the basic math as well. At their age even they can see they don't want their children having anything to do with muslims and where it is heading.

Anything to screw the entire world up over a bloody myth. All just because others are happy living intelligent lives.


Its a very sad reality and yes basic math. A big thank you to out dumbassed politicians because its probably too late now. At least the apologist enablers will feel the pain. Thats the only plus.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
averageguy
Full Member
***
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 235
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #706 - Oct 17th, 2015 at 6:19pm
 
Bazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
They need to shut every single madrassa down in this country, that's where they indoctrinate children's vulnerable minds with this sick ideaology.


Madrassa's are a joke. Have you seen how they terrorize the children into submission and how unhappy the poor kids are. Again this country is mind numbingly stupid.

Just google madrassa and go to google images. A picture speaks a thousand words about these abusers. Not content to let others live happy lives.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #707 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 1:10pm
 

Quote:
............A TEENAGE girl who ran away from her Austrian home to join Islamic State has reportedly been killed after trying to flee the terrorist capital of Raqqa.

Samra Kesinovic, 17, went to Syria in April 2014 with her 16-year-old friend Sabina Selimovic, where they became propaganda poster girls for the terror group.

Now several Austrian newspapers are claiming Samra has been beaten to death, citing insider sources and an interview with a Tunisian woman who lived the pair before escaping.

Speculation about the fate of the girls has been spreading ever since a United Nations official said earlier this year that one of the girls had definitely died in Syria.
....


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/the-pulse-adelaides-live-news-weather-and-tra...

good riddance.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #708 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 4:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 1:10pm:
Quote:
............A TEENAGE girl who ran away from her Austrian home to join Islamic State has reportedly been killed after trying to flee the terrorist capital of Raqqa.

Samra Kesinovic, 17, went to Syria in April 2014 with her 16-year-old friend Sabina Selimovic, where they became propaganda poster girls for the terror group.

Now several Austrian newspapers are claiming Samra has been beaten to death, citing insider sources and an interview with a Tunisian woman who lived the pair before escaping.

Speculation about the fate of the girls has been spreading ever since a United Nations official said earlier this year that one of the girls had definitely died in Syria.
....


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/the-pulse-adelaides-live-news-weather-and-tra...

good riddance.


Sala’am Aleikum, my brother. You are happy this child is now with Gud?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #709 - Nov 26th, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
Quote:
          in April, the al-Qaeda-linked al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for the attack on a mostly Christian college in northeastern Kenya that left some 150 people dead. A month earlier, al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for attacks in Mandera county on the Somali border in which 12 people died. In September 2013, at least 67 people were killed in an attack by al-Shabaab on the Westgate mall in Nairobi.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/muslim-christian-dialogue-essen...

muslims, as thick as thieves
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #710 - Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:35pm
 
Quote:
A LOGAN duo are facing child genital mutilation charges following police investigations.

Detectives from the Logan District Child Protection and Investigation Unit have charged a 53-year-old man and a 41-year-old woman following investigations into allegations of female genital mutilation of two girls aged nine and 12.

Police conducted a joint investigation with other agencies after allegations that the young girls were removed from Queensland in April 2015 and taken to Africa for the procedure.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/logan-pair-facing-genital-mutilati...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #711 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
Quote:
BEFORE a crowd of men on a street in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the masked Islamic State group judge read out the sentence against the two men convicted of homosexuality: They would be thrown to their deaths from the roof of the nearby Wael Hotel.


He asked one of the men if he was satisfied with the sentence. Death, the judge told him, would help cleanse him of his sin.

“I’d prefer it if you shoot me in the head,” 32-year-old Hawas Mallah replied helplessly. The second man, 21-year-old Mohammed Salameh, pleaded for a chance to repent, promising never to have sex with a man again, according to a witness among the onlookers that sunny July morning who gave The Associated Press a rare first-hand account.

“Take them and throw them off,” the judge ordered. Other masked extremists tied the men’s hands behind their backs and blindfolded them. They led them to the roof of the four-storey hotel, according to the witness, who spoke in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on condition he be identified only by his first name, Omar, for fear of reprisals.

Notorious for their gruesome methods of killing, the Islamic State group reserves one of its most brutal for suspected homosexuals. Videos it has released show masked militants dangling men over the precipices of buildings by their legs to drop them headfirst or tossing them over the edge. At least 36 men in Syria and Iraq have been killed by IS militants on charges of sodomy, according to the New York-based OutRight Action International, though its Middle East and North Africa co-ordinator, Hossein Alizadeh, said it was not possible to confirm the sexual orientation of the victims.

The fear of a horrific death among gay men under Islamic State rule is further compounded by their isolation in a deeply conservative society that largely shuns them.......


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-group-targets-gay-men-wit...

islam - brutal and violent one day, sadistic and repressive the next.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Baronvonrort
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20503
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #712 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:20pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Quote:
BEFORE a crowd of men on a street in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the masked Islamic State group judge read out the sentence against the two men convicted of homosexuality: They would be thrown to their deaths from the roof of the nearby Wael Hotel.


He asked one of the men if he was satisfied with the sentence. Death, the judge told him, would help cleanse him of his sin.

“I’d prefer it if you shoot me in the head,” 32-year-old Hawas Mallah replied helplessly. The second man, 21-year-old Mohammed Salameh, pleaded for a chance to repent, promising never to have sex with a man again, according to a witness among the onlookers that sunny July morning who gave The Associated Press a rare first-hand account.

“Take them and throw them off,” the judge ordered. Other masked extremists tied the men’s hands behind their backs and blindfolded them. They led them to the roof of the four-storey hotel, according to the witness, who spoke in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on condition he be identified only by his first name, Omar, for fear of reprisals.

Notorious for their gruesome methods of killing, the Islamic State group reserves one of its most brutal for suspected homosexuals. Videos it has released show masked militants dangling men over the precipices of buildings by their legs to drop them headfirst or tossing them over the edge. At least 36 men in Syria and Iraq have been killed by IS militants on charges of sodomy, according to the New York-based OutRight Action International, though its Middle East and North Africa co-ordinator, Hossein Alizadeh, said it was not possible to confirm the sexual orientation of the victims.

The fear of a horrific death among gay men under Islamic State rule is further compounded by their isolation in a deeply conservative society that largely shuns them.......


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-group-targets-gay-men-wit...

islam - brutal and violent one day, sadistic and repressive the next.


The latest beheading video from the Caliphate has a white man beheading a Russian.

I wonder if they will use this white man to replace Jihadi John

Jihadi John is dead
They dropped a hellfire on his head.
Back to top
 

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #713 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Quote:
BEFORE a crowd of men on a street in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the masked Islamic State group judge read out the sentence against the two men convicted of homosexuality: They would be thrown to their deaths from the roof of the nearby Wael Hotel.


He asked one of the men if he was satisfied with the sentence. Death, the judge told him, would help cleanse him of his sin.

“I’d prefer it if you shoot me in the head,” 32-year-old Hawas Mallah replied helplessly. The second man, 21-year-old Mohammed Salameh, pleaded for a chance to repent, promising never to have sex with a man again, according to a witness among the onlookers that sunny July morning who gave The Associated Press a rare first-hand account.

“Take them and throw them off,” the judge ordered. Other masked extremists tied the men’s hands behind their backs and blindfolded them. They led them to the roof of the four-storey hotel, according to the witness, who spoke in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on condition he be identified only by his first name, Omar, for fear of reprisals.

Notorious for their gruesome methods of killing, the Islamic State group reserves one of its most brutal for suspected homosexuals. Videos it has released show masked militants dangling men over the precipices of buildings by their legs to drop them headfirst or tossing them over the edge. At least 36 men in Syria and Iraq have been killed by IS militants on charges of sodomy, according to the New York-based OutRight Action International, though its Middle East and North Africa co-ordinator, Hossein Alizadeh, said it was not possible to confirm the sexual orientation of the victims.

The fear of a horrific death among gay men under Islamic State rule is further compounded by their isolation in a deeply conservative society that largely shuns them.......


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/islamic-state-group-targets-gay-men-wit...

islam - brutal and violent one day, sadistic and repressive the next.


Brother - you wish us to kill these people?

Give your command, habibi. Two words please.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #714 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:52pm
 
California suspect named as Syed Farook  Updated: 3:24 pm, Thursday, 3 December 2015 -

The last paragraph reads:

A US muslim advocacy group cairman has condemned the attack, and says a relative of one of the suspects named in media reports will take part in news conference, Reuters reported.

Does this mean it was a muslim?

Does this mean we're going to hear it all over again?

It's everybody else's fault.

They were such lovely people nobody suspected anything.

Of course islam's a religion of peace.

It's got nuffink to do wiv islam.

The qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.

...bullshit was all the band could play...

...bullshit they played it night and day...

...allahakbar bullshit...

...allahakbar bullshit...

...is all the band can play...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #715 - Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:36pm
 
muslims say they can't trust muslims...........

Quote:
              Farook was a devout Muslim who made a pilgrimage to Mecca in 2013 and prayed regularly at a mosque in Riverside, California, and later at one in nearby San Bernardino, officials at the mosques have confirmed.

And that has left them all the more puzzled about his killing spree.    


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/san-bernardino-california-shooting-inve...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #716 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
guess what death cult he is from ?

Quote:
THE chilling moment a crazed knife-wielding man threatened police in an underground London train station was captured on video by concerned witnesses.

The knifeman allegedly slashed another man’s throat and screamed “this is for Syria” before he was eventually tasered and arrested by police officers.

One man sustained serious knife injuries that are not believed to be life-threatening. Two others have sustained minor injuries.

Commander Richard Walton from Met’s Counter Terrorism Command said it is being treated as a terrorist incident.

“I would urge the public to remain calm but alert and vigilant,” he said.

“The threat from terrorism remains at severe which means that a terrorist attack is highly likely.”


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/knifeman-screams-this-is-for-syria-afte...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #717 - Dec 6th, 2015 at 10:19pm
 
Quote:
.....................Terror funder Hassan El Sabsabi was detected by the AFP discussing a dream of killing “kaffir’’ in Syria.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

another deathcultist
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #718 - Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:03pm
 

muslims

Quote:
A TEENAGE boy arrested in anti-terror raids in Sydney this morning was allegedly part of a broader group planning to attack an Australian Federal Police building.

The 15-year-old was arrested at his home in Georges Hall and 20-year-old Ibrahim Ghazzawy was arrested at Raby as part of the counter-terrorism raids.

Police also raided properties in Bankstown, Merrylands and Wiley Park as part of Operation Appleby.

Police will allege the teenager and Ghazzawy were involved in the planning of a terrorism plot with three other men already in custody on other matters.

AFP Deputy Commissioner Michael Phelan said the raids had been the result of months of investigations.

“(We have) what we believe is sufficient evidence to put before the court to charge this morning two individuals with conspiracy to prepare for a terrorism act,” he said.

“We’re also in the process of charging three additional people with the same conspiracy who are currently in custody on unrelated matters, who will also be appearing in court today.”

Mr Phelan said building the case of conspiracy against the five people followed information gained during previous raids as well physical and electronic surveillance.

“The charges laid today are the direct result of ongoing investigations from material seized in previous Operation Appleby activity in Sydney during September and December 2014” he said.


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/sydney-terror-raids-15-year-old-taken-in...

send the bill to their mosques
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
ian
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 9451
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #719 - Dec 11th, 2015 at 12:35am
 
Bazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
They need to shut every single madrassa down in this country, that's where they indoctrinate children's vulnerable minds with this sick ideaology.

Madrassa simply means school in Arabic, this means we would have to shut down every single religious school in the country regardless of religion. cant you people educate yourselves  a little before you post?.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #720 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 3:26pm
 

Quote:
.....................ISLAMIC State has authorised the harvesting of human organs, raising concerns the extremist group could be trafficking body parts for profit...........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #721 - Dec 26th, 2015 at 5:57pm
 

Quote:
...............The president of the peak organisation for Muslims in Australia is being accused of inappropriately using $100,000. .................


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Lafayette
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 316
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #722 - Dec 26th, 2015 at 7:39pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 5:57pm:
Quote:
...............The president of the peak organisation for Muslims in Australia is being accused of inappropriately using $100,000. .................


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Ever thought of posting links to the actual articles?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #723 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 11:19am
 

Quote:
The president of the umbrella ­organisation which represents Muslims in Australia, Hafez Kassem, is being accused of inappropriately using $100,000 of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils’ funding on his own lawyers, and rampantly spending its money while on overseas trips.

Concerns about unauthorised spending and decision-making by AFIC’s executive have also led to the resignation of the organisation’s treasurer, Usaid Khalil.

The latest spending disclosures come as the federal government investigates the six schools which AFIC runs around the country, and claims AFIC is profiting from taxpayer funds distributed for education purposes.

AFIC runs Malek Fahd Islamic College in NSW, the Islamic College of Canberra, Langford College in Western Australia, the Islamic College of Brisbane, the ­Islamic College of South Australia and the Islamic College of Melbourne.

The federal and South Australian governments suspended funding to the Islamic College of SA over concerns about its administration, use of funding and education standards eight days ago, before reinstating it on Wednesday. AFIC insiders have also been concerned about payments from its own accounts to others, and The Weekend Australian has seen banking documents that show Mr Kassem paid Mitry Lawyers $100,000 from AFIC accounts on November 4. The Weekend Australian has also obtained copies of reimbursement claims lodged by Mr Kassem from a trip to Indonesia for a halal conference in September, which includes $3500 for seven days of income while he was there, $180 for seat selection for flights, and $798 for food spent in one day in Canberra in October.

NSW state chairman Amjad Mehboob, who is on the federal executive, said Mr Kassem had breached the organisation’s constitution by withdrawing the $100,000 legal payment from AFIC’s accounts without approval..


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/community-under-siege/federation-of-isl...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #724 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 5:37pm
 
Quote:
...................A NEW mum received the ultimate punishment from a group of women linked to Islamic State, all because she was breastfeeding her son........


Quote:
ISIS monsters mutilated and murdered an innocent mum who was breastfeeding her son under a tree.

Women-only group the Al-Khansaa Brigade meted out the horrific punishment on the streets of Raqqa, Syria.

The mother had tucked her son under her black burqa to shield him from public view, only to be spotted by members of the murderous group.

Aisha, a former Raqqa resident living in southern Turkey told the Sunday Times: “An [IS] policewoman took the baby, gave it to another woman, and then killed the mother.”

Pro-IS social media sites later claimed the mother had violated public decency, and revealed she was mutilated before she was killed...........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/is-mutilate-and-kill-mum-in-broad-dayli...

this is not the first case of 'religious police' in an islamic stare.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #725 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 7:59pm
 

Quote:
BELGIAN police have arrested two people suspected of plotting attacks against landmarks in Brussels during New Year celebrations, prosecutors said.

The federal prosecutor’s office in Brussels, the home of the European Union, said police seized military-style uniforms and Islamic State propaganda in the raids on Sunday and Monday.

But investigators said the police action was not linked to the wave of deadly attacks in Paris in November which France says were prepared in Belgium.

One of the two was arrested on suspicion of planning attacks as well as “playing a lead role in the activities of a terrorist group and recruiting for terrorist acts,” the prosecutor’s office said in a statement.

The second faced charges of planning and “participating in the activities of a terrorist group,” it said.

“The investigation cast a light on serious threats of attacks believed to be aimed at several emblematic sites in Brussels and which would be carried out during the end-of-year celebrations.” The suspects were arrested during raids in the Brussels area, in Flemish Brabant and near the southern French-speaking city of Liege.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/belgian-police-have-arrested-two-people...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #726 - Dec 29th, 2015 at 11:05pm
 

Quote:
Forty per cent of the 69 journalists killed worldwide in 2015 because of their work were slain by Islamic militant groups, experts say.

The US-based Committee to Protect Journalists said on Tuesday in its annual analysis more than two-thirds of the 69 deaths were targeted murders.

The slain journalists died while doing their jobs............


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/terrorists-blamed-for-2015-medi...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #727 - Dec 30th, 2015 at 1:49pm
 
Quote:
A COUPLE has been found guilty of planning an ISIS-inspired attack on London’s Westfield shopping centre on the 10th anniversary of the 7/7 bombings.

Mohammed Rehman, 25, and his secret wife Sana Ahmed Khan, 24, were found guilty on Tuesday at the Old Bailey court.

The would-be jihadis’ plot came undone after Rehman — who dubbed himself the “Silent Bomber” — sent out a tweet asking for tips on which was the best target.

Tweeting out a picture of Jihadi John, the fundamentalist appealed to his followers asking: “Westfield shopping centre or London Underground? Any advice would be appreciated greatly.”

Cops then swooped on his home in Reading on May 28 where they discovered 10kg of nitrate explosives, double the amount of powder the failed 21/7 London bombing attempts used.

Rehman was just days from completing the bomb which could have killed multiple people had he not been foiled by anti-terror police.

Khan funded her husband, who stockpiled the chemicals and even videoed himself setting off a small explosion in his back garden.

Rehman had called 7/7 bomber Shehzad Tanweer his “beloved predecessor” and was also a fan of deceased ISIS executioner Jihadi John.

Middle class Khan was the daughter of a Justice of the Peace and had dreams of becoming a teacher after leaving university with a degree in English.

But her life took a turn when she secretly married her terrorist husband without her family’s knowledge and descended into a world of drugs and extremism.

She bankrolled Rehman’s terrorist activities using payday loans to purchase lethal chemicals and repeatedly watching Tanweer’s 7/7 martyrdom video.

In total, she gave her jihadi husband more than £12,000 ($25,000) over 17 months, taking out four £800 payday loans from the company QuickQuid, the court heard.

Security services were alerted when Rehman started spewing hate filled Islamist rants on Twitter, telling one follower: “Are you actually trying? Why don’t you head to the London Underground on the 7th of July if YOU got the balls.”

He also tweeted after posting a picture of bucket of explosives: “Not bad for an amateur LOL a martyrs nutrition!”

The dangerous jihadi even bragged: “I’m preparing for an Istishaadi [martyrdom] operation. Now I just make explosives in preparations for kuffar lol & when I’ve made the required amount I’ll be wearing them on my chest.”

Following his arrest, he claimed to be pretending to be a “Jihadi warrior” and turned on his wife in court with each accusing the other of being the “real extremist”.





http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/couple-guilty-of-plotting-isisstyle-sui...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #728 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 2:03pm
 

Quote:
A VIDEO of teenagers lighting a petrol bomb under a Christmas tree while yelling “Allahu Akbar” has sparked outrage in Belgium.

The incident occurred in a square near the Clemenceau metro station in Anderlecht, in the Belgian capital Brussels, on New Year’s Eve.

In the video, originally uploaded to Facebook and later posted to Liveleak, a group of people approach the tree before one throws an object underneath.

Seconds later an explosion can be heard, and the tree is quickly engulfed in flames. As they run away, the teens can be heard yelling “Allahu Akbar”.

The original uploader, named as Mohamed Amine in the video description, has since taken down his Facebook page.

Brussels residents took to Facebook to express their outrage. “Today they will set fire to a Christmas tree, tomorrow they will behead a Christian,” wrote one man.

“When they celebrate Ramadan nobody bothers then, so why do they attack the beliefs of others?” another said. “We will not stop celebrating the birth of Jesus.”

One man said he was “shocked by what I saw last night in Brussels”.

“Brussels is no longer a free city,” he wrote. “Anyone who has ever had the opportunity to travel abroad may realise that the situation in Brussels is neither normal nor tenable in the long-term.

“Brussels will die economically, socially and touristically, especially if no drastic policy is conducted within 10 years. I am very serious.”

One man described the attack as an “act of racism [and an] attack [on] our customs”, while another said: “The only solution is to return foreign offenders to their country with a good ass-kicking.”

It followed a second video taken on the same evening showing a gang of youths pushing a car down an escalator of the Clemenceau metro station.

The car crashed on its side while shocked riders watched from an adjoining escalator, as the youths run away swearing and yelling. No one was injured but train services were suspended for the rest of the evening

One of the youths was arrested, local news site HLN reported. It is not known whether it is same group of youths in both videos.

Brussels MP Jamal Ikazban hit out at the both the perpetrators and security services on his Facebook page, The Daily Mail reported. “I have a thought for the person who wakes up quietly this January 1 and finds out that his car is in the subway,” he said.

“It is not only not funny, but what is the most frightening it is to imagine that it is possible to take a car in the underground despite the warnings of level 3 AND 4, the presence of the military, the many cameras.

“Let us imagine for a moment that same car full of explosives in the subway and you will understand that we are entitled to ask ourselves the question of the effectiveness of all these new security measures.”

Belgium has been on high alert since the Paris attacks, and the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek in particular has been singled out as the terror capital of Europe and a breeding ground of extremists.

Originally published as Muslim teenagers’ sick NYE rampage


http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/economy/teenagers-set-christmas-tree-on-f...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #729 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:39pm
 
Quote:
AN alleged jihadist arrested in June on charges that he plotted to blow up Times Square may also be the man who stabbed a nine-year-old New York boy in the neck five months earlier in what some investigators now believe was a botched ISIS audition.

But New York police investigating the January 9 knife attack have been frustrated by the FBI, who won’t give them access to terror suspect Fareed Mumuni, said a source familiar with the case.

Mumuni, 21, lived only 500 metres from Jermaine Culver, who was stabbed as he walked to school in the Mariners Harbor section of New York’s Staten Island.

A surveillance camera on a home across the street captured a stocky attacker as he stalked the boy from behind before grabbing him around the neck and stabbing him in his back, head, neck and arm.

The nine-year-old is seen stumbling a few steps before he regains his footing and runs.

“It looks like he’s trying to kill that kid,” said Luis Padilla, 44, the home’s owner. “He went straight for the jugular.”

Following the savagery, Culver was afraid to leave the hospital. The shell-shocked boy was eventually sent to live with an aunt in Atlanta.

“But he’s alive and fine and well,” said his 21-year-old brother, Shawn Williams.

Williams said the family remains in the dark about his case a year later.

“We still don’t know,” he said. “It seems like the cops gave up on it.”
Boy, 9, stabbed in 'Isis tryout'

In the days after the attack, police distributed fliers reading, “Wanted for Assault 1,” with a surveillance photo of the attacker running away. The New York Police Department also stationed a mobile command unit in the area.

“They came up with less than zero,” the source said.

Police got their first break in the case when federal agents with the Joint Terrorism Task Force foiled an alleged four-man, New York-New Jersey terror operation in June. The group had been under surveillance since at least April.

Munther Omar Saleh, 20, of Queens, was arrested on June 13 and charged with plotting to use a pressure-cooker bomb to attack Times Square or One World Trade Centre. He had also been spotted surveilling the George Washington Bridge in Manhattan.

Mumuni, who was studying social work at the College of Staten Island, and Saleh, a student at Vaughn College of Aeronautics and Technology in Queens, had met multiple times in May, according to court documents.

They were captured on phone recordings and “exchanged electronic communications in which they discussed attacking members of law enforcement,” the papers say.

Four days after Saleh’s arrest, the task force descended on Mumuni’s home at 6.35am to execute a search warrant.
Weapon .

Mumuni tried to bury a kitchen knife in an agent’s chest, police said. The blade was stopped by the agent’s body armour.

Mumuni, court documents say, “espouses violent jihadist beliefs.” He allegedly told police that he had pledged allegiance to ISIS and that if he failed to join the group in the Middle East, he planned to attack police.

Investigators believe that if Mumuni was the man who knifed the young boy, the attack could have been Mumuni’s audition for ISIS.

“If you look at the video, it looks like he was trying to slit his throat,” the source said.

Police want to quiz Mumuni in the assault, describing the purported jihadist as a “person of interest”.

He has a physical “similarity to the description in the video, he lived three blocks away, and he likes to play with knives and attempted to stab a federal agent,” the source said.

Mumuni’s lawyer, Anthony Ricco, could not be reached for comment.


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/boy-9-stabbed-multiple-times-in-isis-...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #730 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 7:58am
 

Quote:
Radical Muslims preaching again

Radical Muslims preaching again


Three of Australia’s most notorious radical Muslims have returned to public preaching


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #731 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 7:59am
 

Quote:
Navy officer ‘crossed the line’

Navy officer ‘crossed the line’

Defence and counter-terrorism experts say a navy Muslim officer crossed the line when she tweeted her political views.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #732 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:02am
 

Quote:
Anger grows over mass sex assaults

Anger grows over mass sex assaults


More women have come forward alleging they were sexually assaulted and robbed during New Year’s Eve celebrations.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #733 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:25pm
 
UK: Muslims demand non-Muslim buried next to Muslim be exhumed

February 8, 2015 7:18 pm By Robert Spencer

It’s a multi-faith cemetery, but never mind: the unbelievers are “unclean” (cf. Qur’an 9:28), and that’s that. The local council is, of course, siding with the Muslims. This is modern Britain: in all-out appeasement mode, hoping their new masters will go easy with them. But they won’t.

“Dispute over grave plots after burial of Gypsy,” by Harriet Robinson, The Hinckley Times, February 6, 2015 (thanks to Mark):


A Romany Gypsy family face having to exhume the body of a recently-buried relative because of a row over grave plots at Burbage Cemetery.

Shadrack Smith was buried at the Lychgate Lane cemetery after a traditional Romany funeral on Friday .

His family brought three plots they picked which faced his home at Aston Firs – a tradition in Romany culture.

But since they purchased the plots the family of a Muslim man, who was already buried on the site, have objected to 89-year-old Mr Smith being buried next to him, despite the cemetery being billed as open to all faiths and denominations.

Tracey Smith, Shadrack’s daughter-in-law, said: “My mother-in-law chose the plot – she had her heart set on it.

“The grave was already being dug and bricked out when we had a call last Monday at 5.45pm from Julie Perrin at the parish council asking us if we could move plots.

“We said no – we bought the land and it was too late to find another plot.

“We have no issues with the Muslim family. I think they were under the impression it was a Muslim plot but it isn’t. But they should have tolerance to us.

“We bought the plots in good faith – no one said we couldn’t have them. We don’t want any of the bodies exhuming but it looks like that is what might happen.

“We feel hurt and humiliated. The whole family is heartbroken.”

The Smith family said Burbage Parish Council, which runs the cemetery, asked if it could buy one of their empty plots in between the two graves to plant a hedge to separate the plots.

Tracey said: “We just want to solve this amicably.

“This was not our fault. It’s the council’s cock-up. Before we bought the plots I even asked if it would be a problem and was told it would be fine.

“I don’t see how this will help – they will still be together 6ft deep. It’s laughable. They want to push us away and hide us.

“We feel the council were very unsympathetic towards us. We have had no apology.”

The family said they went to a parish council meeting on Monday where the matter was discussed. However, no resolutions to the problem were drawn up….

source

more self righteous shenanigans from the  greatest purveyors  of evil the world has ever known (muslims)
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #734 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:28pm
 
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #735 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:05pm
 
gandalf wrote Reply #734 - Yesterday at 8:28pm
Quote:
Cool story moses - only its completely bogus:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11410343/Muslim-family-at-centre-of-exh...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/558014/gypsy-grandad-buried-next-to-Muslim-grav...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness/2015/02/11/no-a-romany-mans-body-is-not-...[/url]


Not exactly bogus Gandalf, but most definitely the claims of exhumation appear to be overstated.

I read your three links and have extracts from each one E.G.:


Mrs Ahmad says the family chose Mr Khan's grave after requesting a Muslim burial plot from the local council three years before he was buried in October.

They were then shocked to discover, during a visit to his graveyard last month, that a new grave next to his was being created for Mr Smith.

Mrs Ahmad said: "We were unaware someone not of the Muslim faith could also be buried there because of what they had said. "

The family then alerted the council to the conversation from 2011, in which [b]they apparently allocated the area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.


here

So the muslims were shocked to discover that an unbeliever was to be buried complained to the council to take action.
======================================================================

They were shocked to learn during a visit to his grave last month that a new grave next to his was being created for Roman Catholic Shadrack Smith, 89.

They alerted the council to the conversation from 2011 in which they apparently allocated that area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.

here

Again the muslims complain that a non muslim is going to be buried and asked the council to take action.
======================================================================


In other words: a Muslim family were told they’d been reserved a certain space in the graveyard, large enough to ensure non-Muslims weren’t buried right next to their dead relative, only for part of this to be given – seemingly in error – to Shadrack Smith’s family. When they complained, the council asked his relatives at short notice if they could still move to a different site, and the other was no.

here

Same deal the muslims complained about a non believer being buried.
=======================================================================

So it appears to me Gandalf that muslims are the ones complaining and wanting special priviliges / segregation in a cemetry.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:20pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #736 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:06pm
 

Quote:
An Islamic State fighter executed his mother in Syria after she implored him to leave the terror group.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #737 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:07pm
 

Quote:
Captain hailed gay-bashing cleric
Captain hailed gay-bashing cleric
LEO SHANAHAN

The navy’s most senior Muslim officer, Captain Mona Shindy, lauded a gay-bashing cleric as ‘always wise’.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #738 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:08pm
 

there we are, 50 pages of muslims murdering anyone else
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #739 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:09pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:06pm:
Quote:
An Islamic State fighter executed his mother in Syria after she implored him to leave the terror group.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/


Yes, Islamic State fighters are low-life scum.

We all know that.

Do you have a point?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #740 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:14pm
 
allah and muhammad love them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #741 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:24pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:05pm:
Not exactly bogus Gandalf, but most definitely the claims of exhumation appear to be overstated.

I read your three links and have extracts from each one E.G.:


Mrs Ahmad says the family chose Mr Khan's grave after requesting a Muslim burial plot from the local council three years before he was buried in October.

They were then shocked to discover, during a visit to his graveyard last month, that a new grave next to his was being created for Mr Smith.

Mrs Ahmad said: "We were unaware someone not of the Muslim faith could also be buried there because of what they had said. "

The family then alerted the council to the conversation from 2011, in which [b]they apparently allocated the area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.


here

So the muslims were shocked to discover that an unbeliever was to be buried complained to the council to take action.
======================================================================

They were shocked to learn during a visit to his grave last month that a new grave next to his was being created for Roman Catholic Shadrack Smith, 89.

They alerted the council to the conversation from 2011 in which they apparently allocated that area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.

here

Again the muslims complain that a non muslim is going to be buried and asked the council to take action.
======================================================================


In other words: a Muslim family were told they’d been reserved a certain space in the graveyard, large enough to ensure non-Muslims weren’t buried right next to their dead relative, only for part of this to be given – seemingly in error – to Shadrack Smith’s family. When they complained, the council asked his relatives at short notice if they could still move to a different site, and the other was no.

here

Same deal the muslims complained about a non believer being buried.
=======================================================================

So it appears to me Gandalf that muslims are the ones complaining and wanting special priviliges / segregation in a cemetry.


My you are desparate moses.

I'll remind you of the original heading you used:

UK: Muslims demand non-Muslim buried next to Muslim be exhumed

And here is the bit that you apparently think is relevant to this bogus headline:

Quote:
They alerted the council to the conversation from 2011 in which they apparently allocated that area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral


So here's the story - the whole story: 4 years ago a muslim died, and in the process of burying their loved one, the muslim family was granted by the council, a special plot of land for muslim burials. Then in January of this year, this Roma guy died, and the council mistakenly allocated a plot for his burial that happened to be right on the plot previously guaranteed for the muslims. As you quote, the muslims asked the council to take action prior to the funeral, and the council asked the Roma family if they could change the site - which the family said no. That seems to be the end of the matter - and *ALL* these negotiations occurred *PRIOR* to the burial - in which case the claim that "Muslims demand non-Muslim buried next to Muslim be exhumed" - is total and utter horseshit - since to demand someone be exhumed, they have to be buried in the first place - but of course the only request the muslims made was *BEFORE* they were buried.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #742 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:36pm
 
The exhumation claim is rubbish. That's a fact

muslims learn a non believer is going to buried next to a muslim, they complain and ask that the council to intervene. That's a fact.

muslims are the ones complaining and not wanting a  non believer to be buried near a muslim. That's a fact.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #743 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:46pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:36pm:
muslims learn a non believer is going to buried next to a muslim, they complain and ask that the council to intervene. That's a fact.


After being promised by the council that it was a muslim reserved plot - thats a fact.

In my local cemetery, its divided into segregated religious zones - catholic, protestant, jews. Muslim graves have a special requirement to face Mecca - so it makes sense for them to need a dedicated area in the cemetery to ensure all graves are aligned properly in the right direction.

Just out of curiosity moses, would you mind you or someone from your family being buried next to muslims?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #744 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 5:44pm
 
A fairly smart person once said in part (a long time ago).

"The dead know nothing"

So all the hype about burial and non believers etc. is a total waste of time and effort.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #745 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:03pm
 
Muslims believe its important to be buried facing Mecca. The plot was reserved for them to ensure all graves there could be aligned the right way. Its got nothing to do with an aversion to being buried next to non-muslims. In this case, these muslims felt short-shifted because they had previously negotiated with the council to keep that particular plot reserved for them - and suddenly a non-muslim corpse gets put in there. The council acknowledged the mistake and asked the non-muslim family if they could possible have him buried somewhere else - they said no, and that was the end of the matter.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #746 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 11:50am
 
It's always sombody else's fault gandalf.

So the council obviously sold the plot to the Gypsies legally, fairly and squarely.

If not the muslims would have had some grounds for complaint (we are talking about pre burial here), the decision would have been reversed, the Gypsies would have been moved on to another plot.

However it seem blatantly clear the Gypsies had the unquestionable legal, moral, unequivocal rights to the plot.

The muzzles are the ones unjustly complaining (so what's new with muslims and islam?) in this case.

But then again the muslims have a lot of queer ideas about burial, death and corpses, don't they Gandalf?

Didn't muhammad spend the night with a female corpse in a grave? Islamic necrophilia is traced to the fount of Islam, its prophet Muhammad, as found in a hadith (or tradition) that exists in no less than six of Islam’s classical reference texts (including Kanz al-’Umal by Mutaqi al-Hindi and Al-Hujja fi Biyan al-Mahujja, an authoritative text on Sunni Doctrine, by Abu Qassim al-Asbahani).

What was the islamic controvesy where: In April 2012 the Egyptian Parliament tried to pass a Fatwa (legal judgment) that allowed Muslim husbands in Egypt to have  “farewell intercourse” with their wives six hours after they had died.

Don't muslims believe that muhammads corpse can never go rotten and deteriorate in the ground?

Bodies of Prophets (AS) don't decay:

The earth is forbidden from decomposing the bodies of the prophets of Allah (AS).

حَدَّثَنَا هَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا حُسَيْنُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ بْنِ جَابِرٍ عَنْ أَبِي الْأَشْعَثِ الصَّنْعَانِيِّ عَنْ أَوْسِ بْنِ أَوْسٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ إِنَّ مِنْ أَفْضَلِ أَيَّامِكُمْ يَوْمَ الْجُمُعَةِ فِيهِ خُلِقَ آدَمُ وَفِيهِ قُبِضَ وَفِيهِ النَّفْخَةُ وَفِيهِ الصَّعْقَةُ فَأَكْثِرُوا عَلَيَّ مِنْ الصَّلَاةِ فِيهِ فَإِنَّ صَلَاتَكُمْ مَعْرُوضَةٌ عَلَيَّ قَالَ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَكَيْفَ تُعْرَضُ صَلَاتُنَا عَلَيْكَ وَقَدْ أَرِمْتَ يَقُولُونَ بَلِيتَ فَقَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ حَرَّمَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ أَجْسَادَ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ

{jb_bluebox}Sayyidina Aws ibn Aws (RA) narrated that the Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam (AS) was created, on it he (AS) died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Apostle of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam), how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets. [Abi Dawud]{jb_bluebox}


muslims and their apologists are a strange lot, to say the least Gandalf.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:21pm by moses »  
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #747 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 11:55am
 
moses wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 11:50am:
If not the muslims would have had some grounds for complaint (we are talking about pre burial here), the decision would have been reversed, the Gypsies would have been move on to another plot.


The council acknowledged their mistake by asking the Gypsies to move somewhere else. But since arrangements had already been made by the Gypsies they refused - what else could they do? It wasn't the muslims fault and it wasn't the Gypsies fault - both were victim of a council screw up.

Every single report on the story acknowledges the council had granted the plot to the muslims - and that granting a grave in that plot to the Gypsies was a mistake. What exactly are you trying to argue moses? Are you really that desparate to smear muslims?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #748 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
It's quiet obvious the muslims had absolutely no right to the plot, or the council would have shifted the Gypsies.

The muslims complaints were baseless, or the council would have acted.

Why do the muslims not want a non believer near them?

The whole thing is just one more case of muslim predjudice and victimhood.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #749 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:18pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
It's quiet obvious the muslims had absolutely no right to the plot, or the council would have shifted the Gypsies.


Every news article on the story says the exact opposite: the council allocated a muslim-only plot in 2011, then mistakenly assigned a non-muslim to the plot early last year - a mistake the council acknowledged but were powerless to do anything about. All explained in the reports. There is no shred of evidence for your version of events.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #750 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:48pm
 
gandalf wrote:

Quote:
Every news article on the story says the exact opposite: the council allocated a muslim-only plot in 2011, then mistakenly assigned a non-muslim to the plot early last year - a mistake the council acknowledged but were powerless to do anything about. All explained in the reports. There is no shred of evidence for your version of events.



I refer you to my previous: Reply #735 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:05pm

Which says in part:

Quote:
. They were then shocked to discover, during a visit to his graveyard last month, that a new grave next to his was being created for Mr Smith.

Mrs Ahmad said: "We were unaware someone not of the Muslim faith could also be buried there because of what they had said. "

The family then alerted the council to the conversation from 2011, in which they apparently allocated the area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.


This link of your says the muslims were shocked to discover that a non muslim was going to be buried next to a muslims grave. The muslims asked the council to take action prior to the Gypsies's funeral. The other two links provided by you give roughly the same account.

Now in my Reply #733 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:25pm:

It says

Quote:
Shadrack Smith was buried at the Lychgate Lane cemetery after a traditional Romany funeral on Friday .

His family brought three plots they picked which faced his home at Aston Firs – a tradition in Romany culture.

&

we had a call last Monday at 5.45pm from Julie Perrin at the parish council asking us if we could move plots.

“We said no – we bought the land and it was too late to find another plot.


It appears to me the only people mistaken here are the muslims.

The Gypsies purchased three plots all fair square and above board.

The council legally sold three plots.

The muslims find out the council sold these plots next to the muslim grave and complain.

E.G. muslim prejudice and victimhood rising it head once again.

If the muslims were in the right you and I both know the council and the Gypsies would have been fed to the lions, the gypsie grave would have been removed, the council sued for it's wrongful actions.

But nothing of the kind happened, why?

Because the muzzies were in the wrong. The muslims quote a 2011 conversation and hearsay as the basis of their prejudice against the dead non believer.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #751 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 3:39pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
This link of your says the muslims were shocked to discover that a non muslim was going to be buried next to a muslims grave. The muslims asked the council to take action prior to the Gypsies's funeral.


ummm yes... and?

this is moses:

...
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #752 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 4:00pm
 
Council all legal and in the clear.

Gypsies all legal and in the clear.

muslims shocked and complaining wanting Gypsies and council to disrupt funeral arrangements, in order to fit in with muslim predjudice against non muslim dead.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #753 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:38pm
 
Porkies are central to the anti-Muselman campaign. Just ask FD.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #754 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
Yes.

islam is a religion of peace.

muhammad was not a pedophile.

muhammad slept with the corpse of his aunty and he's the best of all examples.

islamic terrorists are not muslims.

It's not rape of little girls under the guise of legal child marriage.

It's all in Arabic it doesn't mean what it says.

It's all the Joo's fault.

And America and the west's fault.

etc. etc. etc.

How am I going going?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #755 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 11:51am
 
moses wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
Yes.

islam is a religion of peace.

muhammad was not a pedophile.

muhammad slept with the corpse of his aunty and he's the best of all examples.

islamic terrorists are not muslims.

It's not rape of little girls under the guise of legal child marriage.

It's all in Arabic it doesn't mean what it says.

It's all the Joo's fault.

And America and the west's fault.

etc. etc. etc.

How am I going going?


So why the need to invent porkies like muslims demanding a corpse be exhumed?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #756 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 1:47pm
 
gandalf wrote:
Quote:
So why the need to invent porkies like muslims demanding a corpse be exhumed?


It's already been established that the exhumation claim was a false report.

The muslims complained pre burial about a non muslim being interred near a muslim.

The muslim's objection was unsuccessful as the Gypsies had indeed purchased three plots of ground from the council.

A legitimate and legal transaction as it turns out.

It's just a story which shows that islamic prejudice and intolerance extends even to the dead.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #757 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 3:34pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 1:47pm:
It's already been established that the exhumation claim was a false report.


Correct. Someone made it up, why did they? This is not an isolated incident. The anti-muslim campaign is based heavily on lies.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #758 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
Gandalf wrote:

Quote:
Correct. Someone made it up, why did they? This is not an isolated incident. The anti-muslim campaign is based heavily on lies.


The anti muslim campaign is based solely on the fact that islam is an evil entity.

As evidenced by the scale of unspeakably inhumane atrocities being carried out by muslims against their fellow man, in accordance with the tenets of islam.

As demonstrated by the fact that this depraved islamic inhumanity can be and is, justified by the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah, the verses in the qur'an.

Every muslim on this earth cites these teachings, commands and verses as being the final and immutable word of the satanic allah.

Therefore all muslims fully support the root cause of islamic heinousness, if you support the root cause you then by definition support the barbarity engendered.

muslims are proving beyond doubt, right around the globe, that islam is not compatible with a modern civilized 21st century society.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #759 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:06pm
 
you didn't answer the question moses. Why did someone feel the need to invent the porky about muslims demanding an exhumation? Maybe they thought the spin you are putting on it wasn't enough?
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #760 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:37pm
 
I have  no idea why the original article used the words exhumation dishonestly.

However not one person is trying to hide this discrepancy, it has freely been acknowledged as being wrong and inaccurate.

It is now quiet honestly being portrayed as a report which details the facts as they happened:

The council legally sold three plots to a Gypsy family.

Upon learning that a Gypsy was to buried near a muslim, the muslims complained and unsuccessfully tried to have the burial interfered with, (moving the Gypsies to another location).

The moral of the whole shebang is:

Council and Gypsies acted lawfully and decently in a time of family calamity.

muslims showed their prejudice and intolerance extends even to the dead.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #761 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:37pm:
it has freely been acknowledged as being wrong and inaccurate.


Not by all the right wing and Islamophobic sites that ran amuck with the headline. Go see for yourself - do a google search on muslim demand grave exhumed, and see how many sites are still running with the headline as the basis for their usual bigoted hysterics.

See thats how propaganda works - you make up a story that will create the desired emotion. It then doesn't matter if the story is exposed as a fabrication, once the desired emotive response is generated, it can't easily be undone, and most affected people will simply ignore the correction. Politicians do it all the time.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #762 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:14pm
 
You're running away from the issue Gandalf.

The thing is why did the muslims show prejudice and intolerance towards a dead non muslim?

The whole thing was started by muslim bigotry and intolerance, being extended towards the dead of a non muslim.

Why didn't the muslims keep their mouth shut let the Gypsy be buried near them, then continue on with future muslim burials in the ongoing neighbouring plots?

Because the upshot is, that's what has happened, The gypsy is interred, the muzzies can continue past him, but muslim whining bigotry against the dead non muslims got exposed as well.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #763 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:35pm
 

Quote:
TERROR has returned to the heart of Jakarta, with grenades and crude homemade bombs used to stage a Paris-style attack in a busy business and shopping district in the Indonesian capital that has left seven dead.

Wild gun battles between police and holed-up terrorists carried on through the day after the first explosion hit a Starbucks outlet shortly after 10.30am near the Sarinah shopping mall.

Indonesia’s minister for Politics, Legal, and Security affairs, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan, said after visiting the scene: “Five terrorists died, two civilians died, one of them a foreign national and one is Indonesian.”

The foreign national is reported to be a Canadian man who was shot in the carpark of Starbucks, the US-owned coffee shop franchise, located on a busy central Jakarta intersection and at the epicentre of the attacks.

Police said 20 people have been injured, some are critical, including a Dutch foreigner.

The brutal mid-morning assault involving what Indonesian authorities say was five grenade detonations took place only two kilometres from the Presidential Palace of Joko “Jokowi” Widodo, who visited the scene late in the day.

He has been to visit the scene of the terror attack.
Aftermath ..
Mr Panjaitan said the first explosion went off inside the Starbucks shortly after 10.30am.

According to a contact at the scene, a security guard had alerted police that three men were acting strangely inside the Starbucks.

As the men were escorted over to a small police post at a nearby intersection, a blast went off inside Starbucks. The three terrorists then tried to blow themselves up, along with the police post.

Two were killed by their own grenades, the other by police bullets.

Shortly after, there was by many accounts another explosion near the United Nations headquarters, several hundred metres away, but it now appears all explosions and shootings were concentrated in the Starbucks area.

While returned Islamic State fighters are the likely suspects, it has not claimed direct responsibility.
Smoke billows ... from an explosion in Jakarta. Suicide bombers exploded themselves while gunmen attacked a police post nearby.

But a news agency allied to the Islamic State has already reported they carried out the attacks.

“Islamic State fighters carried out an armed attack this morning targeting foreign nationals and the security forces charged with protecting them in the Indonesian capital,” Aamaaq news agency said on its Telegram channel.

These insurgents are linked to ISIS and to convicted extremist Abu Bakar Bashir, who the day before the Jakarta strikes launched a legal review against his 15-year sentence for funding terrorist training camp in Aceh, in northern Sumatra, in 2010.

Bashir, jailed and later of acquitted over his conviction for supporting the 2002 Bali bombings, last year pledged allegiance to the Islamic State from his cell in the prison island of Nusakambangan.

Indonesian police were seen firing handguns into the Starbucks and had the building surrounded throughout the afternoon, with some reports that more attackers were holed up either in Starbucks or a neighbouring cinema complex.


Police spokesman Anton Charliyan said grenades rather than suicide vests were used, indicating this was a military-style operation that did not require detailed planning or bomb preparation.

Mr Charliyan said “one or two” of the attackers may have escaped into the city, but other reports suggested a number of terrorists were bunkered down an


more muslim murderers

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/jakarta-rocked-by-multiple-explosions/n...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
polite_gandalf
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #764 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 12:45am
 
moses wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
You're running away from the issue Gandalf.

The thing is why did the muslims show prejudice and intolerance towards a dead non muslim?

The whole thing was started by muslim bigotry and intolerance, being extended towards the dead of a non muslim.

Why didn't the muslims keep their mouth shut let the Gypsy be buried near them, then continue on with future muslim burials in the ongoing neighbouring plots?

Because the upshot is, that's what has happened, The gypsy is interred, the muzzies can continue past him, but muslim whining bigotry against the dead non muslims got exposed as well.



See moses? You put a good spin on it. Surely thats adequate propaganda against the musselman.

Why, in your view, did someone feel the need to make a porky about the muslims - on top of this seemingly already incriminating story?

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this strange and seemingly inseparable relationship between porkies and attacking Islam. I'd be interested in your view - without the need to continually repeat your version of events, if you could.
Back to top
 

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:
Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #765 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 4:03pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
See moses? You put a good spin on it. Surely thats adequate propaganda against the musselman.

Why, in your view, did someone feel the need to make a porky about the muslims - on top of this seemingly already incriminating story?

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this strange and seemingly inseparable relationship between porkies and attacking Islam. I'd be interested in your view - without the need to continually repeat your version of events, if you could.


I have no idea why the exhumation misconception was touted in the original article.

I do know that since reading your links I have readily admitted that the exhumation of the corpse was a total fabrication. 

Was it a deliberate, or a genuine mistake?

Only the author knows the answer to that question.

Perhaps you should look at the *strange and seemingly inseparable relationship between porkies and attacking defending Islam*.

You know the tired old islam is a religion of peace.

The terrorists misinterpreted the qur'an.

You can't translate it because it's in Arabic.

Plus a host of other fallacious diatribe which continuously seeks to excuse and defend islamic 7th century backward heinousness. 

Why do the muslims and their apologists tell lies all the time gandalf?

Perhaps if you tried to get to the bottom of muslims and their apologists continually lying, you may get the answers to the whole thing, look inwards gandalf, that's where muslim's trouble dwells .
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #766 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:53am
 

Quote:
Gunmen have struck an upscale hotel in Burkina Faso’s capital, reportedly killing at least 20 people and taking hostages


who else would do this, but muslims ?
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #767 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54am
 

Quote:
An Australian Hezbollah operative, Meliad Farah, has been named a ‘Specially Designated Global Terrorist’ by the US


and a muslim terrorist here

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #768 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 8:18pm
 

Quote:
Islamic State militants have slaughtered 300 in an ‘appalling massacre’ in the country’s east and taken 400 hostages


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #769 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:12pm
 

Quote:
An estimated 3,500 Yazidi women and children are being held as slaves by Islamic State according to UN figures.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

i bet horses do not do this
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #770 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:44pm
 

Quote:
When 16-year-old Zahra al-Azzo was murdered by her brother for being raped, her family threw a party
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #771 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:14pm
 
Quote:
A gay Muslim filmmaker has revealed how he received a torrent of abuse and hate after he secretly recorded his hajj pilgrimage to Mecca.

Parvez Sharma, from New York, used an iPhone and flip-cameras to film his journey to Saudi Arabia where homosexuality is punishable by death.

But after releasing his film 'A Sinner in Mecca', he has revealed how he has received a series of threats as well as hate mail from Muslims offended by his work.

Thousands travel to Mecca every year. Muslim pilgrims are shown performing prayer as they visit the Jabal al-Nour and Hira Cave ahead of the start of this year's annual Hajj pilgrimage

He told the LA Times: 'I'm getting an enormous amount of hate mail and threats already, and the film is just a newborn.

'The threats I'm getting are from people with no idea because they've not seen it. If you see the film, you get to see it's very respectful toward Islam, and it's a direct challenge to Saudis. The film makes that distinction.


'Yeah, I'm terrified a little bit. I did not expect so much hate in the early life of the film. I thought it would happen later.'

Earlier this year, Sharma said he had wanted to prove that he could reconcile his sexuality with his devotion to Islam.
After releasing his film 'A Sinner in Mecca', Sharma revealed how he has received a series of threats as well as hate mail from Muslims offended by his work

Earlier this year, Sharma (pictured) said he had wanted to prove that he could reconcile his sexuality with his devotion to Islam

Sharma said he was fortunate to be allowed into the conservative Islamic kingdom, despite his sexuality and a film career in which he has challenged conservative Islam.

'I was going back into the closet as a gay man, and also a filmmaker,' said Sharma, who was publicly labelled an infidel in Saudi Arabia for his 2007 film 'A Jihad for Love', which documented the lives of gay and lesbian Muslims worldwide.

'I was probably the most public Muslim homosexual on the planet... and my 'sins' were very visible to anyone would care to simply search for my name online.'

The film opens with an exchange of distressed messages on a gay social network site between the filmmaker in New York and his friend Mo in the Saudi city of Medina.
The film opens with an exchange of distressed messages on a gay social network site between the filmmaker in New York and his friend Mo in the Saudi city of Medina
+5

The film opens with an exchange of distressed messages on a gay social network site between the filmmaker in New York and his friend Mo in the Saudi city of Medina

Mo recalls watching the beheading of a man in public, who he says was rumoured to have been executed because he was accused of being gay.

Reflecting on what he refers to as the greatest journey of his life, Sharma told of moments where he felt completely alone despite being surrounded by millions of people.

'I felt I was making the pilgrimage on behalf of hundreds of thousands of gay Muslims who would never be able to go due to being too afraid. For me - it was my hajj of defiance.'




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3234002/I-did-not-expect-hate-Gay-Muslim...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #772 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:57pm
 
What a sad situation it is when the most prominent argument against Islam is that it is not gay enough.


There are many other, far more significant arguments against it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #773 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
What a sad situation it is when the most prominent argument against Islam is that it is not gay enough.


Oh, I know. They’ll still fv ck you, dear boy. If you like that sort of thing.

Of course, they can’t bear the idea of being caught by mother. The very idea freezes them. Don’t even.mention mother while you’re breeding, you’ll be waiting hours.

It’s different with you, old chap. You’re fine with being what you are. You’re a man of the world, you know how it goes.

You’re one of us, no?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #774 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
What a sad situation it is when the most prominent argument against Islam is that it is not gay enough.


Oh, I know. They’ll still fv ck you, dear boy. If you like that sort of thing.

Of course, they can’t bear the idea of being caught by mother. The very idea freezes them. Don’t even.mention mother while you’re breeding, you’ll be waiting hours.

It’s different with you, old chap. You’re fine with being what you are. You’re a man of the world, you know how it goes.

You’re one of us, no?

You are pro-Islam because you are dreaming of hot swarthy-on-swarthy action. All that sweaty, dark  pelt.

...


But there are more important cultural and societal considerations than your PB vices.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
|dev|null
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4434
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #775 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
Soren, our Danish Nazi has spoken.  Remember, "Arbeit mak Frei!"  Is his personal motto for all the Muslims and gays he wants to oppress!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
Back to top
 

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #776 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:18pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
Soren, our Danish Nazi has spoken.  Remember, "Arbeit mak Frei!"  Is his personal motto for all the Muslims and gays he wants to oppress!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


Now now, the old boy's half-Kraut. He only spent the first half of the 20th century being the enemy of Western civilization.

He's since become a liberal.

Oppress the bastards.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Black Orchid
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 5824
Gender: female
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #777 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:19pm
 
Quote:
Islamabad: Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami Fazl (JUI-F) Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman following the Friday sermon requested the armed forces of Pakistan to launch a military operation against “jeans-wearing women” all over Pakistan in a press conference at a local hotel in Islamabad. Fazlur Rehman while highlighting the demerits of an operation against the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) said that the Taliban were not Pakistan’s enemy and the forces needed to target the real enemies of Pakistan.

“The Taliban are our brothers and their angst against the state is justified,” Fazl said adding that, “As brother Ansar Abbasi has so eloquently put in the past: TTP’s suicide bombings are just Allah’s wrath upon us. And so there is a need to earmark and eliminate the real enemy of Pakistan: every woman who wears jeans.”

When asked how jeans-wearing women were enemies of the state the JUI-F chief retorted angrily. “From earthquakes to inflation all kinds of disasters are caused by the immodesty of women. A woman that is not covered like a sack of flour is a walking and talking weapon of mass destruction for her state. And Pakistan has a multitude of such nuclear missiles in all its major cities,” Fazl said, now fuming like a steam engine.

Fazl then went on to lay the blame of the Balochistan crisis, energy shortfall and the deteriorating security situation upon the “immodest women” as well.

“If you wrap up these women in sacks and keep them stored in your houses, do you think the Taliban brothers would attack Pakistan? That’s what they want, Shariah left, right and centre and women inside houses living in their sacks. And once Allah stops delivering His wrath via the Taliban the economy would automatically improve through foreign investment, which in turn would improve the energy situation. Every problem’s solution lies in taking care of the women.”

Fazl then openly requested the two Sharifs – the army chief and the prime minister – to openly declare war against Pakistani women and launch a military operation.

“Pakistan’s sovereignty and the security of the citizens are at stake. And when that’s the case the only logical approach of the state should be to launch a military operation,” concluded Fazl.


http://defence.pk/threads/maulana-fazlur-rehman-%E2%80%9Cfrom-earthquakes-to-inf...

Women in jeans are a major threat to mankind.  Let's declare war on them!

These people have the intelligence of a rock.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:41pm by Black Orchid »  
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 151368
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #778 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:24pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
|dev|null wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
Soren, our Danish Nazi has spoken.  Remember, "Arbeit mak Frei!"  Is his personal motto for all the Muslims and gays he wants to oppress!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


Now now, the old boy's half-Kraut.



Which half?


Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #779 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:24pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
|dev|null wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
Soren, our Danish Nazi has spoken.  Remember, "Arbeit mak Frei!"  Is his personal motto for all the Muslims and gays he wants to oppress!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin


Now now, the old boy's half-Kraut.



Which half?




The vinegary half, I think. I'm sure the cheese half is the Danish one.

Miam miam.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #780 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:10am
 

Good news

Quote:
Tara Nettleton, the wife of one Australia’s most notorious terrorists, Khaled Sharrouf, has died in Syria




Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #781 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:11am
 

Quote:
The Islamic College of Brisbane has been found to be improperly using millions of dollars in taxpayer funds.


typical.
Possess the school, sell it to repay 100% of the money given to the lying muzzies.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #782 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm
 
Typical.

Possess them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #783 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:16pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm:
Typical.

Possess them.


Another stupid post
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #784 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:17pm
 

Quote:
A BOY who briefly left school grounds to wave goodbye to his parents was allegedly beaten to death by teachers as a punishment.

The family of Year 6 student Shamim Mullick said staff at Al Islamia Mission School in Majlishpur, India inflicted fatal injuries on the 13-year-old.

Police this week confirmed they have arrested the school’s owner and principal as part of a murder investigation.

“Headmaster Hanif Sheikh and school’s owner Shahzada Al Mamun alias Liton Sheikh have been arrested after a complaint was lodged at Barwan police station,” Superintendent of Police Murshidabad, C Sudhakar, said.

Shamim’s parents had reportedly visited their only child at the private residential school before leaving to return home on Monday morning.

Shamim reportedly left his parents at the school gate before turning around and crossing the school boundary to give them one more wave goodbye.

When Shamim returned to the campus, Sheikh was allegedly furious that the teen hadn’t sought permission to leave, and allegedly attacked Shamim.

Shamim was taken to a nearby nursing home, which — along with the school — is owned by Sheikh, but it wasn’t until his condition deteriorated further that he rushed to a nearby government hospital that night.

Doctors declared him dead on arrival.

Shamim’s devastated parents said they first heard about their son’s fate when they got a call from the school at midnight to say he was dead.

The Indian Express reported that Shamim’s father Jugnu said: “We were not even informed by the school. This despite the fact that my cellphone number is registered with the school. At around midnight, I got a call from the hospital that my son has died. When I called up the school authorities, they told me that our son had fallen sick while studying.

“It was later from the hospital and other sources that we came to know that our son was beaten up mercilessly by the headmaster.”

Jugnu said the school initially tried to claim that the boy had simply fallen ill while studying — but the hospital confirmed he’d died as a result of a savage beating.

Shamim’s parents claim they were later told that the beating had been carried out by Sheikh.

They made a formal complaint to police who arrested Sheikh and the school’s owner Mamun.

The pair are on remand.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/boy-13-allegedly-beaten-to-death-by-teac...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #785 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm:
Typical.

Possess them.


Another stupid post


Oh, I know.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #786 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 

Quote:
When the first incidents of women being assaulted by crowds of Arab men came out of Cologne, Germany, during New Years Eve, the news was being suppressed. Realisation it seems has now dawned and the German Federal Criminal Police Office, BKA, says that the alleged Arab rape game Taharrush is now in Europe. Yes, a disgusting game, brought to Europe by the hordes of ‘refugees’ seeking asylum.

Additional reports from Germany say that similar incidents have occurred in Berlin, Hamburg, Bielefeld, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Stuttgart. But it’s not only Germany that is suffering; other European nations such as Austria and Switzerland have also reported similar cases. According to Holger Munch of the BKA, attacks can range from stealing belongings, to groping and even rape. The women who have come out and reported these incidents tell of the horror they have gone through.

Taharrush is about large groups of Arab men surrounding their victims and then subjecting them to sexual assault. They form circles around women, and if there are enough men, drag the women along with the mob, rip their clothes off and physically assault them. The inner circle of men is the one assaulting the women, while the middle circle consists of spectators. Another outer circle tries to divert attention. Some men are placed strategically to act as if trying to help the women.

A recent video shows the terror that women are subjected to. You can even hear the women screaming for help.

The game is predominantly from Egypt but is also common in other Arab nations. Women are made victims regardless of religion. The horrific game first came to light in 2013 during the uprising in Cairo’s Tahrir Square where local women and foreign journalists were assaulted by groups of men attending the protests against the Egyptian president.


http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/taharrush-the-sickening-and-terrifying-arab...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #787 - Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm:
Typical.

Possess them.


Another stupid post


Oh, I know.


you only make stupid posts.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #788 - May 21st, 2016 at 10:15pm
 


Quote:
Cairo: An Egyptian court handed down preliminary death sentences .........

....... sentenced to death for leaking secret state documents .........

.. unidentified gunmen killed eight policemen.........

......... four gunmen with automatic weapons got out of a small pick-up truck, stopped the police car, sprayed it with bullets and then fled.........



........facing an insurgency.........

.......killed hundreds of soldiers and policemen since mid-2013.......

....... then-defence minister Abdel Fattah al-Sisi ousted Dr Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected president..........

.........militants have targeted security forces and planted bombs in Cairo and other cities.........

......... banned Muslim Brotherhood.......

........ sentenced Dr Morsi to death after convicting him of involvement in a mass prison escape.......... .

.......The court also handed him a life imprisonment ...........

......Several senior leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood and their followers have been sentenced to death........... .


http://www.smh.com.au/world/two-journalists-and-four-others-sentenced-to-death-i...

abbreviated for clarity
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #789 - May 21st, 2016 at 11:04pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 10:15pm:
Quote:
Cairo: An Egyptian court handed down preliminary death sentences .........

....... sentenced to death for leaking secret state documents .........

.. unidentified gunmen killed eight policemen.........

......... four gunmen with automatic weapons got out of a small pick-up truck, stopped the police car, sprayed it with bullets and then fled.........



........facing an insurgency.........

.......killed hundreds of soldiers and policemen since mid-2013.......

....... then-defence minister Abdel Fattah al-Sisi ousted Dr Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected president..........

.........militants have targeted security forces and planted bombs in Cairo and other cities.........

......... banned Muslim Brotherhood.......

........ sentenced Dr Morsi to death after convicting him of involvement in a mass prison escape.......... .

.......The court also handed him a life imprisonment ...........

......Several senior leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood and their followers have been sentenced to death........... .


http://www.smh.com.au/world/two-journalists-and-four-others-sentenced-to-death-i...

abbreviated for clarity


Slay them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #790 - May 30th, 2016 at 7:39am
 

Quote:
A POWERFUL Islamic council has ruled that men should be allowed to “lightly beat” their wives — and even provided instructions on how to inflict the abuse.


courier mail paywall
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41433
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #791 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 11:54pm
 

Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #792 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 10:21am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm:
Typical.

Possess them.


Another stupid post


Oh, I know.


you only make stupid posts.


Ban them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22698
A cat with a view
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #793 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:15am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 2:37pm:
Typical.

Possess them.


Another stupid post


Oh, I know.


you only make stupid posts.





sprint,

Karnal is a serial, and incessant, pest, here on OzPol.          ....imo.

Karnal rarely contributes anything meaningful, to any discussion on OzPol.

The main objective of Karnals posts on OzPol, appears to be the disruption of any meaningful discussion or airing of opinions on issues, by other posters.




"Slay them"


"Kill them"


"Rape them"


"Nuke them"


"Exterminate them"


.....posts with such phrases, are often the full extent to K's 'contribution' and reply, to posts by others here on OzPol.


A disruptive pest.



Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Big Donger
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 101713
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #794 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:02pm
 
Sprint said it first.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 57563
Gender: male
Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #795 - Feb 27th, 2026 at 1:22pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:07pm:
Quote:
Captain hailed gay-bashing cleric
Captain hailed gay-bashing cleric
LEO SHANAHAN

The navy’s most senior Muslim officer, Captain Mona Shindy, lauded a gay-bashing cleric as ‘always wise’.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Retired Australian Navy Muslim officer Mona Shindy says she's considering her legal options against Multicultural NSW after she was dumped from its advisory board after two posts she shared on social media about Israel.


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/mona-shindy-veteran-muslim-navy-officer-sack...
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print