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Re: high speed archery - video
Reply #15 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:08am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 9:30pm:
I can see the point about draw force when shooting from a distance - so why not make greater use of leg bows when used as archers are traditionally depicted?

The video appears to suggest that archers would also be of great use on the fringes of the battle where they can still move around easily, and in amongst the battle as it thins out a bit. And in irregular warfare. Not being weighed down with a sword, shield and armour, but still being able to kill at a rapid rate from just outside of hand to hand combat range would be very useful.


The Battle of Agincourt was won in this way.

During the days before the battle it rained torrentially so the ground turned into sticky mud on the battlefield.

The English archers had a turkey-shoot when the battle began. The French were on horses whose hooves sucked mud and slowed them down while the archers rained arrows upon them.

It's said the mud won the battle for the British by immobilising the French in a mud-bath that kept them within range of the arrows long enough to decimate them.

The French would cut off the string fingers of English archers.




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Reply #16 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
On investigation you will find many special forces still today use the bow in warfare. Silent and deadly. They have special applications so they are out there.
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Reply #17 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 5:40pm
 
nasus wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 2:55pm:
On investigation you will find many special forces still today use the bow in warfare. Silent and deadly. They have special applications so they are out there.



I once used an original cross-bow from the Middle Ages with a 'bolt' fitted in the launching groove.

I was amazed at the power. It had a kick-back like the Enfield .303 that we used in the army cadets.
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Reply #18 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:13pm
 
The modern speargun is also a similar concept - very useful device.
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Reply #19 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 7:43am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
The modern speargun is also a similar concept - very useful device.


Powered by a bungee-cord instead of a .303 cartridge. Not very reassuring.

Unfortunately you only get one shot off, and if it misses your target, then the shark that's been coming at you has his dinner assured.

Incidentally, premier Baird of NSW said he is planning to install 'new technology' to keep sharks off Sydney's beaches.

I wonder what that will be.
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Reply #20 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 6:51pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28th, 2015 at 7:43am:
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
The modern speargun is also a similar concept - very useful device.


Powered by a bungee-cord instead of a .303 cartridge. Not very reassuring.

Unfortunately you only get one shot off, and if it misses your target, then the shark that's been coming at you has his dinner assured.

Incidentally, premier Baird of NSW said he is planning to install 'new technology' to keep sharks off Sydney's beaches.

I wonder what that will be.   


Well in answer to one of your thoughts, possibly we could use one of the forum members as a token gesture.
Secondly your post shows you know nothing of diving. Once the speargun is fired, and a person was to miss, the cord easily retrieves the spear. Or, no-one with half a brain would fire a spear at a shark without certainty. I preferred to poke and this forced the shark to remain at length. Then if possible to the ocean floor and head for beach. If at depth, coming to the surface exposes the diver to "a free lunch", still that's why a person would not fire but poke if possible, better that being lunch.
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Reply #21 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
nasus wrote on Jan 28th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
Well in answer to one of your thoughts, possibly we could use one of the forum members as a token gesture.
Secondly your post shows you know nothing of diving. Once the speargun is fired, and a person was to miss, the cord easily retrieves the spear. Or, no-one with half a brain would fire a spear at a shark without certainty. I preferred to poke and this forced the shark to remain at length. Then if possible to the ocean floor and head for beach. If at depth, coming to the surface exposes the diver to "a free lunch", still that's why a person would not fire but poke if possible, better that being lunch.


Correct!

You stay away from the surface because most of the dangerous shark species are ambush predators that rocket up from the depth to hit their prey like Great Whites do with seals.

Same thing with crocodiles. Stay on the bottom and they won't touch you.
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Reply #22 - Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
Quote:
Correct!
You stay away from the surface


Thanks for the advice.
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Reply #23 - Jan 29th, 2015 at 7:40am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
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Correct!
You stay away from the surface


Thanks for the advice.


I'm NOT saying be a bottom-feeder ...  (lord knows gregg has enough of them hanging around his arse) ... but make like a crab or lobster and crawl back to shore on the sandy bottom for safety.
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Reply #24 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:30am
 
Good idea. But what if I run out of breath?
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Reply #25 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:40am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:30am:
Good idea. But what if I run out of breath?


Get a longer snorkel. Lol. I know, just being funny.
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Reply #26 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:52am
 
nasus wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:40am:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 8:30am:
Good idea. But what if I run out of breath?


Get a longer snorkel. Lol. I know, just being funny.


It's a bonza idea.

Bunnings has lots of PVC tubing of different diameters and lengths. I'm sure FD will take up this idea and will shortly be seen on Fraser Island walking down the beach and into the surf with a 20 foot pole held vertically from a DIY attachment to his mouth.

This might scare the local dingoes (who regularly eat small children during the height of the tourist season) ~ but bugger them.

Once submerged, this 20 foot pole will weigh nothing.
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Reply #27 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 3:44pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:08am:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 9:30pm:
I can see the point about draw force when shooting from a distance - so why not make greater use of leg bows when used as archers are traditionally depicted?

The video appears to suggest that archers would also be of great use on the fringes of the battle where they can still move around easily, and in amongst the battle as it thins out a bit. And in irregular warfare. Not being weighed down with a sword, shield and armour, but still being able to kill at a rapid rate from just outside of hand to hand combat range would be very useful.


The Battle of Agincourt was won in this way.

During the days before the battle it rained torrentially so the ground turned into sticky mud on the battlefield.

The English archers had a turkey-shoot when the battle began. The French were on horses whose hooves sucked mud and slowed them down while the archers rained arrows upon them.

It's said the mud won the battle for the British by immobilising the French in a mud-bath that kept them within range of the arrows long enough to decimate them.

The French would cut off the string fingers of English archers.


Battles are won, Herbie, invariably by the side that makes the least mistakes.  The French were essentially high-born and in-bred idiots.  Instead of attacking on a broad front, they attacked on a narrow frontage, in a single long, column, this meant that each succeeding Knight and his squire(s) was following into increasing churned up ground.  By the time the leading rank came anywhere near the English line, the rear ranks were trying to advance through what was essentially a swamp.   If, instead, they had attacked on a broad frontage, it would have made them both a smaller target, which was in the beaten zone of the archers for less time and ensured better footing for them and their horses.

Because the French chose to join battle in a field which was converging on the English line, they couldn't agree as to who should be left out of the initial charge, so adopted the already mentioned disastrous narrow frontage column attack formation, to allow all the French nobles to take part.

The French had archers, IIRC a company of Burgundian crossbow men but because of the way their crossbows were constructed, they were unable to undock their bow strings, whereas the English with their Longbows were, so because of their exposure overnight to the wet, their crossbows were rendered useless, whereas the English were able to restring their bows just before the battle commenced, therefore making them still useless.  If the French had instead had normal bows, they would have had the fire support necessary to allow them to cross the danger zone and engage the English line, which was made up primarily of lightly equipped and unarmed archers.

It is a myth that the French removed the bow fingers of captured archers.  There is no historical evidence to support this claim.  The claim that this resulted in the use of two upraised fingers as an English insult is also a myth.

While the Longbow is the most renowned weapon from the 100 years war, the war was actually won in the end through the use of cannon, not bows.  Cannons had by 1453 essentially rendered the Medieval castle and walled town obsolete and without those bases, the entire medieval system started to break down.  It was also the French who were declared the winners in 1453, the English may have won many of the battles but it was the French who emerged the victors from the conflict and the financial and social costs are considered to be a prime motivator in the English civil war, the so-called "War of the Roses".



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