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Reply #15 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.


yep...its Labors fault that Hockey and Abbott lied at the election  Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Libs More than double the Deficit
Reply #16 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.

Ho Ho Ho - 2055 and they will still be blaming Labor for their incompetence. Over 12 months and Labor are still responsible for the economy no matter how much the Liberals waste and mismanage.
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Reply #17 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.

Rubbish.

Hockey could have had a mini-budget within the first 3 months. He didn't.
Hockey could have done something in the first six months. He didn't.
Hockey didn't have to wait eight months before doing anything. He did.
Hockey didn't have to bring down a budget full of ambit claims that weren't going to pass the Senate. He did.
Hockey could have made cuts across the board. He didn't.
Hockey didn't have to give the RBA eight billion dollars of borrowed money it didn't ask for. He did.
Hockey didn't have to abolish taxes. He did.

The Liberals have been in office for a year, and the idea that it's Labor's fault doesn't stand scrutiny.
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Reply #18 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:42pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.

Rubbish.

Hockey could have had a mini-budget within the first 3 months. He didn't.
Hockey could have done something in the first six months. He didn't.
Hockey didn't have to wait eight months before doing anything. He did.
Hockey didn't have to bring down a budget full of ambit claims that weren't going to pass the Senate. He did.
Hockey could have made cuts across the board. He didn't.
Hockey didn't have to give the RBA eight billion dollars of borrowed money it didn't ask for. He did.
Hockey didn't have to abolish taxes. He did.

The Liberals have been in office for a year, and the idea that it's Labor's fault doesn't stand scrutiny.


No chance that the Liberals will ever scrutinise their silly claim so they will be happy enough with it.
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Re: Libs More than double the Deficit
Reply #19 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.


yes longie, i read the excuses too .... what makes you think its any different to the rest of the libs lies?


because it is a matter of historical fact.  I know you  - with the memory of a goldfish - probably forget Swans $1.5B surplus promise which quickly changed week-by-week into a bigger and bigger deficit.  Expenditure doesn't stop overnight.  it takes time and a new budget to be passed for any of that to happen.

Why do you think the 2008 financial results (under Rudd) were so good?  They too were running under a former govt's budget.
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Reply #20 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 8:35pm
 
If Politicians & their supporters, from the Right, Left & Centre -
Would cease putting the vast majority of their efforts into defeating “the opposition Political Party”, getting into “Power” themselves and rewarding themselves & their supporters and concentrate instead on the long term interests of the entire Population,
then we would ALL be better placed now & better placed to face the future!

As it stands now, neither Liberal, nor Labor, did anywhere near what should have been done, over the last 40-50 years and those Politicians (on both sides), particularly over the last 25 years have made a absolutely hash of things!
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Reply #21 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 9:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...



OOOOOppppps!

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Budget deficit soars to $48.5bn

THE final federal budget deficit for 2013/14 has come in at $48.5 billion, $30 billion larger than Labor forecast last year.

“It is not a confected number, it is the real figure,” Treasurer Joe Hockey said in Canberra.

When Labor’s last budget was handed down in May last year, then treasurer Wayne Swan projected a deficit of $18 billion, citing a “savage hit to tax receipts” and a “deep commitment” to support employment and economic growth. The 2011-12 budget had projected a $5.4bn surplus for 2013/14.

The new figure includes an $8.8bn of additional funding to the Reserve Bank, $571 million to maintain offshore immigration detention, additional funding for public service agencies to manage unfunded redundancies, and the Coalition’s decision to dump 96 proposed tax and superannuation changes.

Mr Hockey said the final budget outcome “draws a line under the sand” of Labor’s tenure, citing the blowout as further evidence for the budget cuts and tax increases announced in May.

“Labor left Australia with no plan to fund the future and address their unsustainable spending trajectory over the medium term,” he said in a joint statement with Finance Minister Mathias Cormann.

“If no policy action was taken to repair the budget position the Government inherited, gross debt would have spiralled to $667 billion over the medium term and continued to grow.

“We are making spending sustainable, delivering record infrastructure investment, creating new jobs and bringing the budget back to surplus over the medium term.”

Budget fix promised as deficits soar

Mr Hockey, when asked if Labor manipulated Treasury to produce the erroneous forecasts, said ministers must take responsibility for their projections and “that’s the bottom line”.

“Whenever we sit down with our officers we pepper them with questions … to ensure that we are satisfied that forecasts are as robust as possible. Now maybe the previous government didn’t do that? I don’t know, but they seemed to get every number wrong,” he said.

The opposition has accused Mr Hockey of inflating the deficit by giving $8.8 billion to the Reserve Bank to restore its capital buffer. Mr Hockey said the money would be needed eventually after Labor extracted $5.2 billion in RBA dividends in 2009-10.

Comment is being sought from opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen.

   http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-deficit-soars-to-485bn/s...


Didn't the multi award winning federal treasurer Wayne Swan say he was handing over an economy that was humming along?
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Reply #22 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
I foresaw this.

The Liberals quietly threw money away, before the announcement of the budget. When the budget was announced they had a perfect scapegoat -- the labor government. It made it much easier for them to shoulder the blame to the previous government because all of their money wasting was splashed on the news left, right and centre.
With the support of the media, Liberals can keep things quiet, so those who are blind and care not for looking into things will just go with the flow and blame it all on Labor.
It is a joint mistake, Liberal are just more cunning about it.
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Reply #23 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 9:31pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 7:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
from $18B to $48B

thank goodness the adults are in charge  Grin Grin Grin

it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-says-30b-overes...


Clearly you didn't read the article.  The last financial year was run under the ALP budget which original promised a surplus and all the time until the election continued to blow out and has continued since.  All of the labor party's estimates have collapsed - as they usually do.. Only $11B of this is the responsibility of Liberal decisions and $9B of that was a grant to the RBA which can actually be recalled if they wish.

Another Labor disaster.


yes longie, i read the excuses too .... what makes you think its any different to the rest of the libs lies?


because it is a matter of historical fact.  I know you  - with the memory of a goldfish - probably forget Swans $1.5B surplus promise which quickly changed week-by-week into a bigger and bigger deficit.  Expenditure doesn't stop overnight.  it takes time and a new budget to be passed for any of that to happen.

Why do you think the 2008 financial results (under Rudd) were so good?  They too were running under a former govt's budget.

not sure why you think swans promise is even relevant  ..... he made that promise 1.5yrs ago  ...are the adults in charge or not? Hockey had many tools at hand he could have used to cut spending, he didn't use them, instead he came up with some shemozzle of a budget that only an idiot would support
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Reply #24 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
it would be nice if Hockey took responsibility for his mess, but really no surprise that he's trying to blame labor for it.





No surprises THERE
The
LibNats
in Victoria have been running with that line for 4 years
- with an election just two months away
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Reply #25 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:17pm:
libs couldn't organise a root in a brothel .... its their rich mates that tell them what to sell and for how much, the libs will just do what they're told


We'll leave that up to Craig Thomson, but thanks for the offer.
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Remember, Labor deficit bad.

Liberal deficit good, spent on worthwhile things like..........war.

Are the submarines included in that? What are they for again? Looking for MH 370?
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Reply #27 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 7:02am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:49am:
Remember, Labor deficit bad.

Liberal deficit good, spent on worthwhile things like..........war.

Are the submarines included in that? What are they for again? Looking for MH 370?


You forget a lot, don't you? Stephen Smith (Labor) is the one who got the ball rolling on purchasing new subs to replace the Collins-Class fleet, not Abbott. Oh and by the way, most of the current budget is Labor policy because the Coalition hasn't been allowed to have its own policies pass in the Senate. So if you want to blame anyone, blame Swan, as it's simply a continuation of his policies. Hockey is doing the best he can in light of a hostile Senate determined to say no to everything.
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Reply #28 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:01am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12am:
John Smith wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 5:17pm:
libs couldn't organise a root in a brothel .... its their rich mates that tell them what to sell and for how much, the libs will just do what they're told


We'll leave that up to Craig Thomson, but thanks for the offer.


are you trolling for work again?
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Reply #29 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:02am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 7:02am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:49am:
Remember, Labor deficit bad.

Liberal deficit good, spent on worthwhile things like..........war.

Are the submarines included in that? What are they for again? Looking for MH 370?


You forget a lot, don't you? Stephen Smith (Labor) is the one who got the ball rolling on purchasing new subs to replace the Collins-Class fleet, not Abbott. Oh and by the way, most of the current budget is Labor policy because the Coalition hasn't been allowed to have its own policies pass in the Senate. So if you want to blame anyone, blame Swan, as it's simply a continuation of his policies. Hockey is doing the best he can in light of a hostile Senate determined to say no to everything.


it doesn't need to be 'allowed' ... the coalition is the govt. If it can't do its job it should resign and let someone else do it ...
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