John Smith wrote.....
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I accept what you are saying John and do not dispute that you cannot blame institutions for the actions of individuals in every instance which is where I believe you are coming from....However my argument is the Catholic church did know what was going on and covered it up to protect the institution not the victim.....Muslims claim extremism has nothing to do with Islam and blame individuals or external forces without accepting the very institution they are protecting is partly to blame....My argument is if these institutions do not accept any fault on their own behalf either through apathy or ignorance then who should???

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:


If it looks like a terrorist apologist, sounds like a terrorist apologist, walks like a terrorist apologist then it is a terrorist apologist!

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:


I have confidence that Police are trained enough that they won't wet their pants at the first sign of a threat and shoot someone. The fact that both officers were badly wounded before killing the bastard shows how quickly they were taken by surprise and how little time they had to react to save their own lives. This isn't Hollywood where the ace cop shoots the knife out of the guy's hand and then proceeds to put him in a sleep hold to knock him out! You come at a cop with a knife and stab them, you're going to be in very bad shape afterwards and justifiable so!

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:


Way down the ladder from you though...
Did I say 'shoot'?

Perhaps if said 'dog' bites 'pick handle' someone else could prevent it from doing any further damage.

After all these officers are supposed to be trained to look at all probabilities.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

yes the catholic church leadership didn't know just like the CEO's of cigarette companies didn't know they were harmful.  Please, all religion, catholic, muslim, hindu, etc, is as bad as each other.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:


No, they don't deserve the same benefit.  Child sex abuse took place in secret and in the shadows where it was hidden from people at large.  Terrorism and the radicalisation of youth occurs openly and VERY much so.  How does any muslim claim 'they don't know' about these things?

My first thought when I heard this in all honesty was feeling really bad/sad for the two coppers.

Particularly the shooter, because, on top of his injuries he has to live with having taken a young life. Unlike the keyboard warriors, I happen to think that for most coppers, that is not something easy to live with, even knowing their own lives may have been on the line.

Next I feel sad for this blokes family, once again, anyone who loses a loved one, particularly in a sudden and unexpected fashion is hit hard and the grief they suffer can be far more intense.

I actually managed to think about this without much of the ideological bullshit clouding my thoughts or impacting them too much.

I don't think it is a good outcome and, more importantly, no winners. It is a positive that both the cops have survived and even without the shooting I can only feel sympathy for them about having been attacked.

What is very palpable though, particularly in this thread and some of our low brow media (both sides of it) is that the moment the "politicising" of this starts up - then all care and compassion goes out the window. Once again, there are no winners.

I think if you found yourself cheering any aspect of this, and worse articulate that, you are not a decent person. Perhaps you are deserving of some sympathy for the empathy and care you have failed to develop, however, in my opinion sympathy is not a high priority given I don't have a high esteem of your worth...

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:


Well said