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Reply #75 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:14pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
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n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

Would you prefer the Police purchased less violent bullets? Roll Eyes

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Reply #76 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:28pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

I actually thought you were a reasonable person.

Nope, i got that wrong.

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #77 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

Would you prefer the Police purchased less violent bullets? Roll Eyes

I think this sums up the logic of your posting as above

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

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Reply #78 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

Would you prefer the Police purchased less violent bullets? Roll Eyes

I think this sums up the logic of your posting as above

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

I'm sure you think that quoting Russell improves your argument... but it doesn't. It really doesn't. You still sound like a terrorist apologist.

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #79 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

Another thread by whinging rightards. for goodness sake, a young man has been shot dead by trigger happy Victorian Police. If you can shoot him to kill him, why couldn't you shoot to injure/disable him?. Valueable information on why/how/who etc has been lost that may have revealed his motivation to do thios because once again trigger happy police in Victoria have aimed to kill rather than other methods.

Go back to whining about deaths in rooftops you bunch of sickos. Have some thoughts and respect for the relatives of this obviously distressed young man who has been slaughtered.

kill while undertaking a deadly assault on police. Not quite 'slaughtered'.

Where's the concern for the families of the two Police Officers this terrorist tried to murder? Where's the concern for the kids whose Daddies almost didn't come home that night? Your priorities are all wrong, Vic.

He is now dead -

When you try and slaughter police officers they will kill you.

Have some compassion and respect for the young man's family

Oh boo smacking hoo... Cry

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23779 ACT Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #80 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:40pm Longy gets all his quotes from Mad Magazine Vic. I doubt he has heard of Russell
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62035 Here Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #81 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ?
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Reply #82 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:11pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Longy gets all his quotes from Mad Magazine Vic.

I doubt he has heard of Russell

True, unfortunately I sometimes feel the need to respond to people who have obviously not read the full thread and are making immediate comments on the bit they have just read. I guess I will learn one day to ignore trolls and half baked respondors. If they had read the full thread, they would understand where I am coming from. Never mind, if it makes their little day brighter.///////

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Reply #83 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ?

As Derryn Hinch used to say in reference to some bastard getting terminated by the police: "It's a vote for a better Australia".

Australia is just that little bit better as a country now that this cling-on that was stuck to the toilet bowl of Life has finally been flushed away.

We're all just that little bit safer and better off than before they done capped his ass.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7408 Sydney Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #84 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:43pm I'm not an experienced animal handler, but if I were to approach a dog on the street that I reasonably suspected of having a bad history of allegedly attacking, or being capable of attacking, someone, I'm buggered if I'd stick out my hand to pat it. Pick handle, maybe, but not my hand....
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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7408 Sydney Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #85 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:46pm Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm: Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ? Sparkle???? More like NYE fireworks on Sydney Harbour.....
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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #86 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Blaming anyone apart from the Muslim community who are failing to address this problem themselves shows that you are also prepared to lay blame for partisan bullshit rather than laying the blame where it belongs.....Blaming the ALP or Tony Abbott lets the Muslim community absolve themselves of responsibility by blaming anyone but themselves.....Moderate Muslims don't need apologists or excuses they need to stand up and take responsibility for what is happening!!!

I'm not so sure its quite so simple .... in the few cases I've read about, the families involved have tried to stop their sons from becoming extremists ... there is only so much someone can do.
These people turn to extremism because they feel alienated from society ... the community as a whole, their families included, need to work together to stop alienating these teenagers (usually when it starts) so that they don't feel they have to turn to extremists to feel like they belong

Usually they only want what every other teenager wants, to be accepted.

Until the Muslim community accepts there youth are turning to extremism because of Islam and not alienation caused by anyone opposing terrorism the problem will continue to fester.....By blaming Israel, Abbott, Shorten, Obama or anyone else for standing up to terrorism you become an apologist for Islam and help drive youth to extremism who swallow this garbage.....The left are quick to condemn Israel and the Coalition of the willing for there failures and atrocities which is fair enough but then they become apologists for Islam and terrorists by making excuses for their actions.....Islam must accept that it is part of the problem and people need to stop making excuses for Muslims who are using apologists as a crutch to avoid their own failure to accept responsibility for their own actions!!!

Huh

I'm not making excuses for anyones actions, however, I just don't think blaming Islam is the answer ... Religion is just a tool used for recruitment purposes.

The problem with Islam as I see it (and I am certainly not an expert in the Islamic religion) is that any pshychotic megalomaniac is free to interpret any passage as they want ... at least with the christian religions, there is a head of the church that will ultimately dictate how the church interprets a certain passage

I agree with that comment John and believe religion that is corrupted becomes the tool for extremism.....So to excuse these religions and lay blame on other external factors allows religious leaders to ignore the influence of their own faith in radicalisation.....We have seen excuses made for Islam, the Catholic Church and other denominations who blame individuals whilst accepting no responsibility religion has played in allowing atrocities to happen.....Until religion accepts it has played a part in extremism it will not address the problem and continue to blame everything else accept its own failures.....Good religious people need to accept their own faith is under attack and stop accepting excuses to absolve themselves of any responsibility!!!

Huh

A person may cause evil to others not only by his action but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)

I'm not excusing the religion, but its overly simplistic to blame the religion. How often do you see the community preaching anti christianity just because some priest molests a child or some christian kills someone ?... apart from the odd person its not very often .. and yet it seems that everytime a muslim does something wrong the whole anti islam things flares up time and time again.
All that does is reinforce extremists views and allows them to justify their extreme behaviour to the impressionable. Can you imagine what it does to your head to be made to feel like a criminal just because of your religion, a religion that most of these kids or young men were born into and had no choice? We make them feel like criminals and then complain when they turn and become criminals ...

I've lived surrounded by Musliums for most of my youth and young adult life, never once did I feel threatened of concerned for my safety. Never once did anyone have a go at me because I was Catholic ...

even the best dog will one day turn and bite you if you keep kicking it. ...

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #87 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

Lobo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

I'm not an experienced animal handler, but if I were to approach a dog on the street that I reasonably suspected of having a bad history of allegedly attacking, or being capable of attacking, someone, I'm buggered if I'd stick out my hand to pat it.

Pick handle, maybe, but not my hand....

Oh you absolute legend.

So you think police should shoot anyone that comes near them, hey? Don't try and mend bridges and act responsibly?

Brain dead comments abound today...kudos, you're near the top.

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Reply #88 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

Unfortunately we've had inappropriate language coming from very senior politicians including the prime minister ... and a very ill-informed Senator (Jacqui) Lambie, making comments.

"It increases the tension and the reality is,

I feel for the police officers in addition to the young man, because in an environment where there is heightened tension, people perceive things through a filtered lens of that anxiety and tension and will react in ways that they would not normally react."

Mr Krayem also said rushing to label the 18-year-old man a "radical, terrorist or extremist" would have a negative effect on the investigation into the police shooting

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Because of the environment we're in, the moment you label somebody like that people don't want to them question what occurred,"

Mr Krayem told Fairfax radio.

He said the man went voluntarily to the police station, and what occurred next was unclear.

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All we know is there is an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning and two police officers in hospital ... there is a family who is grieving

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/breaking-news/cops-fear-race-tensions-after-vic-...

Some common sense in there.

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #89 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:19pm On reflection, I don't believe a word of it Not one word It's all BS, imo Like the faked 'beheadings' and Boston, Sandy Hook, 911, Lee Rigby and all the rest My advice would be to forget it It didn't happen
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