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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #60 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:34am

John Smith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Blaming anyone apart from the Muslim community who are failing to address this problem themselves shows that you are also prepared to lay blame for partisan bullshit rather than laying the blame where it belongs.....Blaming the ALP or Tony Abbott lets the Muslim community absolve themselves of responsibility by blaming anyone but themselves.....Moderate Muslims don't need apologists or excuses they need to stand up and take responsibility for what is happening!!!

I'm not so sure its quite so simple .... in the few cases I've read about, the families involved have tried to stop their sons from becoming extremists ... there is only so much someone can do.
These people turn to extremism because they feel alienated from society ... the community as a whole, their families included, need to work together to stop alienating these teenagers (usually when it starts) so that they don't feel they have to turn to extremists to feel like they belong

Usually they only want what every other teenager wants, to be accepted.

Until the Muslim community accepts there youth are turning to extremism because of Islam and not alienation caused by anyone opposing terrorism the problem will continue to fester.....By blaming Israel, Abbott, Shorten, Obama or anyone else for standing up to terrorism you become an apologist for Islam and help drive youth to extremism who swallow this garbage.....The left are quick to condemn Israel and the Coalition of the willing for there failures and atrocities which is fair enough but then they become apologists for Islam and terrorists by making excuses for their actions.....Islam must accept that it is part of the problem and people need to stop making excuses for Muslims who are using apologists as a crutch to avoid their own failure to accept responsibility for their own actions!!!

Huh

I'm not making excuses for anyones actions, however, I just don't think blaming Islam is the answer ... Religion is just a tool used for recruitment purposes.

The problem with Islam as I see it (and I am certainly not an expert in the Islamic religion) is that any pshychotic megalomaniac is free to interpret any passage as they want ... at least with the christian religions, there is a head of the church that will ultimately dictate how the church interprets a certain passage

I agree with that comment John and believe religion that is corrupted becomes the tool for extremism.....So to excuse these religions and lay blame on other external factors allows religious leaders to ignore the influence of their own faith in radicalisation.....We have seen excuses made for Islam, the Catholic Church and other denominations who blame individuals whilst accepting no responsibility religion has played in allowing atrocities to happen.....Until religion accepts it has played a part in extremism it will not address the problem and continue to blame everything else accept its own failures.....Good religious people need to accept their own faith is under attack and stop accepting excuses to absolve themselves of any responsibility!!!

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41921 Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #61 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:42am PZ547 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:46am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:40am: kill any terrorist. sterilise all of their immediate family. I like this one tx pz - think it would be effective ? oh - also bill the mosques for ALL the charges we have incurred due to islam.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41921 Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #62 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:43am Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:32am: A very sad incident 2 police officers injured in the line of duty and a young man dead. A very sad incident 2 police officers savagely attacked and injured in the line of duty. I hope they recover and sue islam mosques for damages
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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #63 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:52am

To the worried and alarmed here at OP I'd like to call for calm. Repeat after me and you'll feel a lot better:

1. Diversity is our strength
2. Multiculturalism will enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life.

Say those mantras every hour. Do the harbor bridge climb and when you reach the highest point sing out those mantras with a strong stentorian voice. Keep screaming them out until the police come and force you to retreat. Run through the train and shout it out at your fellow passengers. Hurl it at the bus driver. Invite the cab driver to join you as you scream it out.

I'll bet you're feeling better already.

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #64 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:12am

salad in wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

To the worried and alarmed here at OP I'd like to call for calm. Repeat after me and you'll feel a lot better:

1. Diversity is our strength
2. Multiculturalism will enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life.

Say those mantras every hour. Do the harbor bridge climb and when you reach the highest point sing out those mantras with a strong stentorian voice. Keep screaming them out until the police come and force you to retreat. Run through the train and shout it out at your fellow passengers. Hurl it at the bus driver. Invite the cab driver to join you as you scream it out.

I'll bet you're feeling better already.

Yeah. And while you're doing that, watch your back

Wouldn't put it past our fake puppet government to use the 'muslim crisis' as cover

for bringing in those 50,000 Africans

which jewish MP Danby promised Israel he'd be delighted on our behalf to accept and present to 'our' supposed Parliament

All there in Jewish News

Funny it was the UK news which featured a photo of the gargantuan, shirtless African brought down in Sydney CBD late last week while he was trying to car-jack someone

Funny I didn't see it in the Australian junk, Kardashian-addicted, garbage news

And funny the cops were terrified of the African being photographed as he was handcuffed and led away, to the point they were gesturing for bystanders not to film it

Funny almost every house in Orange NSW is up for sale right now

So keep your eyes open

our USrael 'friends' have more than floods of muslims in store for Oz

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #65 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:13am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Its time wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

Why did we have "terrorist" arrests and prosecutions
under Labor with no grandstanding and no deaths yet within a week of dipshit coming on the TV and spreading his race hate we have a child shot dead.

First of all, he wasn't a "child". Second of all, it's nothing to do with race hate and it's not even religious hate. Lastly, Shorten or Rudd or Gillard couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map, let alone a terrorist.

But history says under a Labor government they found the perpetrators and prosecuted them accordingly, minus all the palaver , minus the innocent Muslims being caught up in persecution, and minus any teenagers being terminated, that's how a cultured intelligent government goes about it.

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Reply #66 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:18am

Its time wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Its time wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

Why did we have "terrorist" arrests and prosecutions
under Labor with no grandstanding and no deaths yet within a week of dipshit coming on the TV and spreading his race hate we have a child shot dead.

First of all, he wasn't a "child". Second of all, it's nothing to do with race hate and it's not even religious hate. Lastly, Shorten or Rudd or Gillard couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map, let alone a terrorist.

But history says under a Labor government they found the perpetrators and prosecuted them accordingly, minus all the palaver , minus the innocent Muslims being caught up in persecution, and minus any teenagers being terminated, that's how a cultured intelligent government goes about it.

Oh quit while you still can

We're getting chapter and verse about the way your alleged 'cultured, intelligent government' behaves

and it isn't pretty

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jockohomo3d Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 187 Gender:	Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police Reply #68 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:27am I suppose the leftards on here are going to start apologising for Islam in the not to distant future. They must be sick of it by now.
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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #69 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:29am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

Another thread by whinging rightards. for goodness sake, a young man has been shot dead by trigger happy Victorian Police. If you can shoot him to kill him, why couldn't you shoot to injure/disable him?. Valueable information on why/how/who etc has been lost that may have revealed his motivation to do thios because once again trigger happy police in Victoria have aimed to kill rather than other methods.

Go back to whining about deaths in rooftops you bunch of sickos. Have some thoughts and respect for the relatives of this obviously distressed young man who has been slaughtered.

kill while undertaking a deadly assault on police. Not quite 'slaughtered'.

Where's the concern for the families of the two Police Officers this terrorist tried to murder? Where's the concern for the kids whose Daddies almost didn't come home that night? Your priorities are all wrong, Vic.

What a load of deflecting and condescending Rubbish AP! I am sticking to the topic of the thread. If you want to start one that relates to your concerns above, then start one.

From what little I have read about this, this young 18 year old man has undergone some form of mental/physical change that has led him to undertake this course of action. He is now dead, so any chance of finding out what provoked this strange form of action is now dead also. Surely there could have been other forms of action - if not, then the only course could have been the one taken-I'll reserve my right for the inquiry on that

Your politicing of this young man's death, and your thread title is nothing more than political point scoring. I should not accept anything other though - deaths in ceilngs, people smahed on rocks, asylum seekers drowning are all grist to the mill for many of the righties on here- as long as it scores a cheap shot

Have some compassion and respect for the young man's family

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Reply #70 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
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n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #71 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:38am

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

Another thread by whinging rightards. for goodness sake, a young man has been shot dead by trigger happy Victorian Police. If you can shoot him to kill him, why couldn't you shoot to injure/disable him?. Valueable information on why/how/who etc has been lost that may have revealed his motivation to do thios because once again trigger happy police in Victoria have aimed to kill rather than other methods.

Go back to whining about deaths in rooftops you bunch of sickos. Have some thoughts and respect for the relatives of this obviously distressed young man who has been slaughtered.

kill while undertaking a deadly assault on police. Not quite 'slaughtered'.

Where's the concern for the families of the two Police Officers this terrorist tried to murder? Where's the concern for the kids whose Daddies almost didn't come home that night? Your priorities are all wrong, Vic.

What a load of deflecting and condescending Rubbish AP! I am sticking to the topic of the thread. If you want to start one that relates to your concerns above, then start one.

From what little I have read about this, this young 18 year old man has undergone some form of mental/physical change that has led him to undertake this course of action. He is now dead, so any chance of finding out what provoked this strange form of action is now dead also. Surely there could have been other forms of action - if not, then the only course could have been the one taken-I'll reserve my right for the inquiry on that

Your politicing of this young man's death, and your thread title is nothing more than political point scoring. I should not accept anything other though - deaths in ceilngs, people smahed on rocks, asylum seekers drowning are all grist to the mill for many of the righties on here- as long as it scores a cheap shot

Have some compassion and respect for the young man's family

The other day you were writing demeaning things about poor white Australians and their children ( your bogan crap thread) and now you are defending a criminal maniac. Typical leftist snotty douche. Next!!!

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Reply #72 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

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Slaughter Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

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Reply #73 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

But BigVic, maybe "slaughtered" isn't exactly the best choice of words for avoiding emotive arguments, is it? Maybe a better choice would have been something like "needlessly killed"?

Quote:

Slaughter Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
n. noun

1. The killing of animals especially for food.

2. The killing of a large number of people; a massacre.

tr.v.

1. To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.

3. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

3 does it for me.

If someone is stupid enough to stab a cop in the neck and head then I have trouble criticising the gunfire that follows.

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Reply #74 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

Another thread by whinging rightards. for goodness sake, a young man has been shot dead by trigger happy Victorian Police. If you can shoot him to kill him, why couldn't you shoot to injure/disable him?. Valueable information on why/how/who etc has been lost that may have revealed his motivation to do thios because once again trigger happy police in Victoria have aimed to kill rather than other methods.

Go back to whining about deaths in rooftops you bunch of sickos. Have some thoughts and respect for the relatives of this obviously distressed young man who has been slaughtered.

kill while undertaking a deadly assault on police. Not quite 'slaughtered'.

Where's the concern for the families of the two Police Officers this terrorist tried to murder? Where's the concern for the kids whose Daddies almost didn't come home that night? Your priorities are all wrong, Vic.

What a load of deflecting and condescending Rubbish AP! I am sticking to the topic of the thread. If you want to start one that relates to your concerns above, then start one.

From what little I have read about this, this young 18 year old man has undergone some form of mental/physical change that has led him to undertake this course of action. He is now dead, so any chance of finding out what provoked this strange form of action is now dead also. Surely there could have been other forms of action - if not, then the only course could have been the one taken-I'll reserve my right for the inquiry on that

Your politicing of this young man's death, and your thread title is nothing more than political point scoring. I should not accept anything other though - deaths in ceilngs, people smahed on rocks, asylum seekers drowning are all grist to the mill for many of the righties on here- as long as it scores a cheap shot

Have some compassion and respect for the young man's family

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.........young man who has been slaughtered......

he was stabbing to death 2 other poeple.
He should have been killed. It was the right thing to do.

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.............this young 18 year old man has undergone some form of mental/physical change.....

yes, he found islam.

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........Have some compassion and respect for the young man's family .....

the muzzie did it voluntarily willingly, I have no compassion for them.

I have compassion for the innoocent cops who were injured.

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