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Reply #105 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ?

As Derryn Hinch used to say in reference to some bastard getting terminated by the police: "It's a vote for a better Australia".

Australia is just that little bit better as a country now that this cling-on that was stuck to the toilet bowl of Life has finally been flushed away.

We're all just that little bit safer and better off than before they done capped his ass.

You don't think that something pretty sad has happened to make an 18 year old think that something like this action is an option in Australia ?

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Reply #106 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Quantum wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Please, all religion, catholic, muslim, hindu, etc, is as bad as each other.

Not for a second.

Every single country has a Islam problem. When they are a small minority (1-2%) they have a victim mentality blaming everyone else for their problems. When they are a large minority (10-20%) they start to force change on society and no longer hide their more vile cultural beliefs. Once they become a majority they force everyone else to either be Muslim or live in fear as second rate citizens. Their entire religion from its very core requires domination and separation from all others.

Australia is a perfect example of how Islam stands out as a group that creates disharmony;

Hinduism: 1.3%
Buddhism: 2.5%
Islam: 2.2%

Can we really say that Islam is no worse that Buddhism in Australia? Can we really say that Hinduism is as bad when we take numbers into account? It is pretty obvious which religion simply stands out as an ongoing problem.

The western world is simply unable to deal with Islam the same way it deals with other beliefs. The idea that all beliefs are equal or equally as bad as each other is political correctness gone wild and a futile attempt to appear neutral and objective. The consistent and violent track record of Islam simply doesn't allow it to be classed as no worse than any other religion.

in today's world, you're probably right that the islamic religion has the greatest of problems. BUt that's not to say that all religion hasn't at one point in time or another being an overreaching reason for why sh!t happens. Not to mention that it just dumbs down people.

Just get rid of it all.

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #107 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Quantum wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Please, all religion, catholic, muslim, hindu, etc, is as bad as each other.

Not for a second.

Every single country has a Islam problem. When they are a small minority (1-2%) they have a victim mentality blaming everyone else for their problems. When they are a large minority (10-20%) they start to force change on society and no longer hide their more vile cultural beliefs. Once they become a majority they force everyone else to either be Muslim or live in fear as second rate citizens. Their entire religion from its very core requires domination and separation from all others.

Australia is a perfect example of how Islam stands out as a group that creates disharmony;

Hinduism: 1.3%
Buddhism: 2.5%
Islam: 2.2%

Can we really say that Islam is no worse that Buddhism in Australia? Can we really say that Hinduism is as bad when we take numbers into account? It is pretty obvious which religion simply stands out as an ongoing problem.

The western world is simply unable to deal with Islam the same way it deals with other beliefs. The idea that all beliefs are equal or equally as bad as each other is political correctness gone wild and a futile attempt to appear neutral and objective. The consistent and violent track record of Islam simply doesn't allow it to be classed as no worse than any other religion.

in today's world, you're probably right that the islamic religion has the greatest of problems. BUt that's not to say that all religion hasn't at one point in time or another being an overreaching reason for why sh!t happens. Not to mention that it just dumbs down people.

Just get rid of it all.

Intelligent posters debate the topic and others use it as a springboard to their pet hate - as you do.

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #108 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ?

As Derryn Hinch used to say in reference to some bastard getting terminated by the police: "It's a vote for a better Australia".

Australia is just that little bit better as a country now that this cling-on that was stuck to the toilet bowl of Life has finally been flushed away.

We're all just that little bit safer and better off than before they done capped his ass.

You don't think that something pretty sad has happened to make an 18 year old think that something like this action is an option in Australia ?

I do wonder if the police have ever had his parents in to discuss his behaviour as he apparently known to them for some time

No disrespect but coppers can be stupid sometimes as well!

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #109 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:53pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Is it just me or do the conservatives seem to have a sparkle in their eye celebrating this sad incident ?

As Derryn Hinch used to say in reference to some bastard getting terminated by the police: "It's a vote for a better Australia".

Australia is just that little bit better as a country now that this cling-on that was stuck to the toilet bowl of Life has finally been flushed away.

We're all just that little bit safer and better off than before they done capped his ass.

You don't think that something pretty sad has happened to make an 18 year old think that something like this action is an option in Australia ?

I do wonder if the police have ever had his parents in to discuss his behaviour as he apparently known to them for some time

No disrespect but coppers can be stupid sometimes as well!

as an 18yo they probably had no right. But anyhow, stab a copper while trying to kill him and the bullet is only to be expected.

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Reply #110 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote.....
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I'm not excusing the religion, but its overly simplistic to blame the religion. How often do you see the community preaching anti christianity just because some priest molests a child or some christian kills someone ?... apart from the odd person its not very often .. and yet it seems that everytime a muslim does something wrong the whole anti islam things flares up time and time again.
All that does is reinforce extremists views and allows them to justify their extreme behaviour to the impressionable. Can you imagine what it does to your head to be made to feel like a criminal just because of your religion, a religion that most of these kids or young men were born into and had no choice? We make them feel like criminals and then complain when they turn and become criminals ...

I've lived surrounded by Musliums for most of my youth and young adult life, never once did I feel threatened of concerned for my safety. Never once did anyone have a go at me because I was Catholic ...

even the best dog will one day turn and bite you if you keep kicking it. ...

I accept what you are saying John and do not dispute that you cannot blame institutions for the actions of individuals in every instance which is where I believe you are coming from....However my argument is the Catholic church did know what was going on and covered it up to protect the institution not the victim.....Muslims claim extremism has nothing to do with Islam and blame individuals or external forces without accepting the very institution they are protecting is partly to blame....My argument is if these institutions do not accept any fault on their own behalf either through apathy or ignorance then who should???

Huh

There is a subtle but important difference in your analogy. The Catholic Church Hierarchy (in part) knew what was going on and covered it up but the vast majority of the church - including its leadership - did not know. Once they did find out their rejection of it and internal change was both swift and genuine. Muslims however, ALL know what is going on and no one is unaware and yet their rejection of radicalisation has not occurred. Even moderate Muslims are pretty quiet and there is little to no attempt to fix the problem from the inside out. I am not excusing the Catholic Church, but at least they are changing while Muslims appear to have no intention at all to change.

I think moderate Muslims deserve the same benefit you give moderate Christians Longy.....If religion does not keep its own house in order it is part of the problem not the solution.....My mum is a devout Catholic who is dismayed at the actions of the church as she should be.....When anyone makes excuses for religion they are ignoring the illness and only treating the symptoms!!!

Huh

No, they don't deserve the same benefit. Child sex abuse took place in secret and in the shadows where it was hidden from people at large. Terrorism and the radicalisation of youth occurs openly and VERY much so. How does any muslim claim 'they don't know' about these things?

By the church and by their own admission.....You are an apologist and in denial like most religious zealots!!!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/catholic-church-covered-up-child-sex...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-407808/Pope-led-cover-child-abuse-priest...

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Re: Terrorist killed after stabbing AFP, Vic Police
Reply #111 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:56pm

This is an interesting topic. Go back to the start, read through ALL the responses and see how the dynamics of the thread have changed.
You can tell the blowins easily, but disregarding their minimal input, people are starting to look at the incident and think about it:

Why did this young man undertake this course of action? What motivated him? Are similar 'ticking bombs' waiting to happen? What actions were taken before this to try and understand and perhaps stop this occurring?

Unfortunately, the bloke is dead and can't assist, but once again - reread the thread, discard the blowins and it becomes an interesting exercise in influence and human nature

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Reply #112 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote.....
Quote:

I'm not excusing the religion, but its overly simplistic to blame the religion. How often do you see the community preaching anti christianity just because some priest molests a child or some christian kills someone ?... apart from the odd person its not very often .. and yet it seems that everytime a muslim does something wrong the whole anti islam things flares up time and time again.
All that does is reinforce extremists views and allows them to justify their extreme behaviour to the impressionable. Can you imagine what it does to your head to be made to feel like a criminal just because of your religion, a religion that most of these kids or young men were born into and had no choice? We make them feel like criminals and then complain when they turn and become criminals ...

I've lived surrounded by Musliums for most of my youth and young adult life, never once did I feel threatened of concerned for my safety. Never once did anyone have a go at me because I was Catholic ...

even the best dog will one day turn and bite you if you keep kicking it. ...

I accept what you are saying John and do not dispute that you cannot blame institutions for the actions of individuals in every instance which is where I believe you are coming from....However my argument is the Catholic church did know what was going on and covered it up to protect the institution not the victim.....Muslims claim extremism has nothing to do with Islam and blame individuals or external forces without accepting the very institution they are protecting is partly to blame....My argument is if these institutions do not accept any fault on their own behalf either through apathy or ignorance then who should???

Huh

There is a subtle but important difference in your analogy. The Catholic Church Hierarchy (in part) knew what was going on and covered it up but the vast majority of the church - including its leadership - did not know. Once they did find out their rejection of it and internal change was both swift and genuine. Muslims however, ALL know what is going on and no one is unaware and yet their rejection of radicalisation has not occurred. Even moderate Muslims are pretty quiet and there is little to no attempt to fix the problem from the inside out. I am not excusing the Catholic Church, but at least they are changing while Muslims appear to have no intention at all to change.

Longliar trying to re write history again. One just has to reflect for one second on the many many children that were unnecessarily abused by repeat offenders in the catholic church to realise what a travesty that remark is on those many abused children. LongLiar has absolutely no morals.

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Reply #113 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Mr Krayem told Fairfax radio.

"

All we know is there is an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning and two police officers in hospital ... there is a family who is grieving

"All we know is .... "

Grin

Well, not quite, Mr Minimalist Krayem.

We actually know quite a bit more about this young psychotic warrior for Islam ~ and it's been splashed all over the TV, radio, and print media ~ including the internet.

But I'm sure your denialist tactic of pretending "There's Nothing to See Here, Folks" minimalism will be grasped by all the Useful Idiots and the culturally and racially self-hating Lefties as something to run with while they hope it's the police who get pilloried for wrongdoing and not this young Muslim.

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Reply #114 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote.....
Quote:

I'm not excusing the religion, but its overly simplistic to blame the religion. How often do you see the community preaching anti christianity just because some priest molests a child or some christian kills someone ?... apart from the odd person its not very often .. and yet it seems that everytime a muslim does something wrong the whole anti islam things flares up time and time again.
All that does is reinforce extremists views and allows them to justify their extreme behaviour to the impressionable. Can you imagine what it does to your head to be made to feel like a criminal just because of your religion, a religion that most of these kids or young men were born into and had no choice? We make them feel like criminals and then complain when they turn and become criminals ...

I've lived surrounded by Musliums for most of my youth and young adult life, never once did I feel threatened of concerned for my safety. Never once did anyone have a go at me because I was Catholic ...

even the best dog will one day turn and bite you if you keep kicking it. ...

I accept what you are saying John and do not dispute that you cannot blame institutions for the actions of individuals in every instance which is where I believe you are coming from....However my argument is the Catholic church did know what was going on and covered it up to protect the institution not the victim.....Muslims claim extremism has nothing to do with Islam and blame individuals or external forces without accepting the very institution they are protecting is partly to blame....My argument is if these institutions do not accept any fault on their own behalf either through apathy or ignorance then who should???

Huh

There is a subtle but important difference in your analogy. The Catholic Church Hierarchy (in part) knew what was going on and covered it up but the vast majority of the church - including its leadership - did not know. Once they did find out their rejection of it and internal change was both swift and genuine. Muslims however, ALL know what is going on and no one is unaware and yet their rejection of radicalisation has not occurred. Even moderate Muslims are pretty quiet and there is little to no attempt to fix the problem from the inside out. I am not excusing the Catholic Church, but at least they are changing while Muslims appear to have no intention at all to change.

I think moderate Muslims deserve the same benefit you give moderate Christians Longy.....If religion does not keep its own house in order it is part of the problem not the solution.....My mum is a devout Catholic who is dismayed at the actions of the church as she should be.....When anyone makes excuses for religion they are ignoring the illness and only treating the symptoms!!!

Huh

No, they don't deserve the same benefit. Child sex abuse took place in secret and in the shadows where it was hidden from people at large. Terrorism and the radicalisation of youth occurs openly and VERY much so. How does any muslim claim 'they don't know' about these things?

By the church and by their own admission.....You are an apologist and in denial like most religious zealots!!!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/catholic-church-covered-up-child-sex...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-407808/Pope-led-cover-child-abuse-priest...

seriously??? Did you not recognise that the argument was a 'relative' one? Was it too difficult for you to understand my acceptance of all the stuff you just posted but then ignore the rest of my argument?

Sometimes you post so well and then you just head off on a rant and become stupid again.

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Reply #115 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote.....
Quote:

I'm not excusing the religion, but its overly simplistic to blame the religion. How often do you see the community preaching anti christianity just because some priest molests a child or some christian kills someone ?... apart from the odd person its not very often .. and yet it seems that everytime a muslim does something wrong the whole anti islam things flares up time and time again.
All that does is reinforce extremists views and allows them to justify their extreme behaviour to the impressionable. Can you imagine what it does to your head to be made to feel like a criminal just because of your religion, a religion that most of these kids or young men were born into and had no choice? We make them feel like criminals and then complain when they turn and become criminals ...

I've lived surrounded by Musliums for most of my youth and young adult life, never once did I feel threatened of concerned for my safety. Never once did anyone have a go at me because I was Catholic ...

even the best dog will one day turn and bite you if you keep kicking it. ...

I accept what you are saying John and do not dispute that you cannot blame institutions for the actions of individuals in every instance which is where I believe you are coming from....However my argument is the Catholic church did know what was going on and covered it up to protect the institution not the victim.....Muslims claim extremism has nothing to do with Islam and blame individuals or external forces without accepting the very institution they are protecting is partly to blame....My argument is if these institutions do not accept any fault on their own behalf either through apathy or ignorance then who should???

Huh

There is a subtle but important difference in your analogy. The Catholic Church Hierarchy (in part) knew what was going on and covered it up but the vast majority of the church - including its leadership - did not know. Once they did find out their rejection of it and internal change was both swift and genuine. Muslims however, ALL know what is going on and no one is unaware and yet their rejection of radicalisation has not occurred. Even moderate Muslims are pretty quiet and there is little to no attempt to fix the problem from the inside out. I am not excusing the Catholic Church, but at least they are changing while Muslims appear to have no intention at all to change.

Longliar trying to re write history again. One just has to reflect for one second on the many many children that were unnecessarily abused by repeat offenders in the catholic church to realise what a travesty that remark is on those many abused children. LongLiar has absolutely no morals.

so which part of that was in error? that the church rejected such behaviour and sought to genuinely redress it? Or was it just you reacting rather than responding - a bad habit you get into a lot on here.

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Reply #117 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Mr Krayem told Fairfax radio.

"

All we know is there is an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning and two police officers in hospital ... there is a family who is grieving

"All we know is .... "

Grin

Well, not quite, Mr Minimalist Krayem.

We actually know quite a bit more about this young psychotic warrior for Islam ~ and it's been splashed all over the TV, radio, and print media ~ including the internet.

But I'm sure your denialist tactic of pretending "There's Nothing to See Here, Folks" minimalism will be grasped by all the Useful Idiots and the culturally and racially self-hating Lefties as something to run with while they hope it's the police who get pilloried for wrongdoing and not this young Muslim.

You really are a sad exhibit of a human being. Go back to the original post and read the thread through If you are going to quote someone, at least quote them in the context of the conversation, otherwise you are just a blowfly on a random cowpat

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Reply #118 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Mr Krayem told Fairfax radio.

"

All we know is there is an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning and two police officers in hospital ... there is a family who is grieving

"All we know is .... "

Grin

Well, not quite, Mr Minimalist Krayem.

We actually know quite a bit more about this young psychotic warrior for Islam ~ and it's been splashed all over the TV, radio, and print media ~ including the internet.

But I'm sure your denialist tactic of pretending "There's Nothing to See Here, Folks" minimalism will be grasped by all the Useful Idiots and the culturally and racially self-hating Lefties as something to run with while they hope it's the police who get pilloried for wrongdoing and not this young Muslim.

its a brain thing ap.. did you know when reading the brain actually skips seeing..... well in some case... what it doesnt want to see..or read..its true.. the brain is a very tricky instrument..we claim these kids are brainwashed..but at the end of the day its the route they have chosen to take...and no matter what anyone tells them they will not b elieve anything they have chosen not too..

same with those who believe this is just an 18 yr old playing at being a martyr..a one off!!!!!!!...

it said on the news tonight this boy also had hidden a much large sword.... Roll Eyes

perhaps he was on his way to his fencing lesson..

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Reply #119 - Sep 24^th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

You don't think that something pretty sad has happened to make an 18 year old think that something like this action is an option in Australia ?

Yes, it's sad.

I cried all the way through the documentary on the Nuremberg Trials at the awful misdirection those genocidal monsters took because of the bad potty training they receive from their parents.

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