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shaky3d Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: extremism in australia Reply #15 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:27pm Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:25pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:19pm: If you got a drum of fuel and let it pour under the door and lit it, allah snackbar problem solved. Sounds like incitement to a terrorist act. I hope the authorities have gotten your IP address. f ark off deadbeat.
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shaky3d Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: extremism in australia Reply #16 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:29pm so what if they do, there are thousands of Australians lining up to do the job.
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Reply #17 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

shaky3d wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

If you got a drum of fuel and let it pour under the door and lit it, allah snackbar problem solved.

A prima facie case of serious racial vilification under Australia law I believe.

It would be covered by Sections 20B and 20D of the NSW ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1977.

It would be covered by Section 24 of the Victorian RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE ACT 2001.

It would be covered by Section 131 of the Queensland ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1991.

It would be covered by Section 4 of the South Australian ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1991.

It would be covered by Section 19 of the Tasmanian ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1998.

It would be covered by Section 80A and 80B of the Western Australian CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT (RACIAL VILIFICATION) ACT 2004

It may be covered by Section 18C of the Commonwealth RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975.

In all, incitement to violence on the basis of racial/religious grounds is illegal.

Don't worry apologist, if a bomb goes off there will be revenge. The Australia Islamic community is very vulnerable. If you are happy for there to be bookshops peddling hate then that's your problem.

I do worry there will indeed be revenge if you carry out your threat, Shakey.

As to the books? Who cares? I could walk into virtually any library and find stuff which was as offensive or worse. You going to advocate burning down libraries as well? Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

If you got a drum of fuel and let it pour under the door and lit it, allah snackbar problem solved.

Sounds like incitement to a terrorist act.

Indeed. It would be, as I've pointed out a case of Serious Racial Vilification in most Australian jurisdictions. Shakey should realise what he is doing. Is suspect he doesn't understand or more than likely not care because of his bigotry. Roll Eyes

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I hope the authorities have gotten your IP address.

Mildly difficult but not impossible. A court order would suffice.

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Reply #19 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

If you got a drum of fuel and let it pour under the door and lit it, allah snackbar problem solved.

So, FD, do you condone such a prime facie beach of Australia's laws? You appear rather unconcerned by it or the intent it conveys. Perhaps because you agree with him? What are your views on people making such statements, inciting violence against people on the basis of their racial/religious group membership? Roll Eyes

I suspect you'll duck the issue of the sort of debate you're fostering... Roll Eyes

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shaky3d Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: extremism in australia Reply #20 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:37pm I hope they have your ip address. Treason is a capital offence. I'd love to see you do the Spandau ballet along with all the traitors of this country; greens win, Julian assange, greggory peccary etc
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Reply #21 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

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Author Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid also lists as recommendation 25 “hanging a whip in a visible place”.

So how is this different from the many Christian leaders who advocate beating family members.

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Romney's new BFF Pat Robertson recommends wife-beating since divorce isn't an option

...you could beat her. [...] This man’s got to stand up to her and he can’t let her get away with this stuff. I don’t think we condone wife-beating these days but something has got to be done...

dailykos.com/story/2012/09/10/1130000/-Romney-s-new-BFF-Pat-Robertson-recommends
-wife-beating-since-divorce-isn-t-an-option#

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Nadine Dorries Urges Amazon To Ban Christian 'Abuse' Parenting Book, 'How To Train Up Your Child'

...advocates beating children as young as four months old...

...includes instructions like: "If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. Defeat him totally. Accept no conditions for surrender. No compromise...

...written by the Christian evangelist couple...

...In 2011, it was alleged that a copy of the book was found in the home of Larry and Carri Williams, from Washington State, who were convicted of manslaughter this year, after their 13-year-old daughter Hana, adopted from Ethiopia was found naked, frozen to death, outside their home. Hana was kept in a locked closet, starved for days, forbidden from using the bathroom and beaten daily with a plumbing tool...

huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/07/child-abuse-ban_n_4232693.html

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Reply #22 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

shaky3d wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

I hope they have your ip address. Treason is a capital offence. I'd love to see you do the Spandau ballet along with all the traitors of this country; greens win, Julian assange, greggory peccary etc

Disagreeing with you doesn't constitute "treason", Shakey. You appear to over-identify your beliefs with what the Nation demands of it's citizens WRT loyality. I've affirmed my loyalty to Queen, nation and government several times in my life. Have you, ever? Roll Eyes

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shaky3d Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: extremism in australia Reply #23 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:51pm your treasonous attitudes to Australia and her people pour through the monitor Benidict. I'm sure you've whored yourself in all manner of ceremonial genuflections, however. For myself, I have no doubts as to my loyalty to Australia and her white, Christian heritage.
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Reply #24 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:53pm

shaky3d wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

your treasonous attitudes to Australia and her people pour through the monitor Benidict. I'm sure you've whored yourself in all manner of ceremonial genuflections, however. For myself, I have no doubts as to my loyalty to Australia and her white, Christian heritage.

What "treasonous attitudes"? How is suggesting that everybody, no matter what their religion, is entitled to a fair go - a true Australian attitude, "treasonous", Shaky?

I note you've avoided my question. I take you have never affirmed your loyalty to this nation? Indeed, how do we even know you're Australian? Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

You don't and you never will because everything I say on here could be a lie, couldn't it? However, I think you believe everything you say. that's what makes you a traitor of this country. you generally hate the white, Christian sons and daughters of Britishers that have made this country great. at the same time, you don't have the balls to emigrate to one of those preferable 'tinted' countries. that makes you an even greater scoundrel/coward than Karnal or Gangalf.

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Reply #26 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 4:07pm

shaky3d wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

You don't and you never will because everything I say on here could be a lie, couldn't it?

Yes, Matty, it could be. Wink

Is it though? So, you don't believe that getting a, "drum of fuel and let it pour under the door and lit it, allah snackbar problem solved?"

If you don't, then you are a troll. Roll Eyes

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However, I think you believe everything you say. that's what makes you a traitor of this country. you generally hate the white, Christian sons and daughters of Britishers that have made this country great. at the same time, you don't have the balls to emigrate to one of those preferable 'tinted' countries. that makes you an even greater scoundrel/coward than Karnal or Gangalf.

You have evidence that I have ever expressed hatred for "the white, Christian sons and daughters of Britishers that have made this country great?"

Please, if you have, post it here. I'd like to read it.

Or could it be that you are simply allowing hyperbole to run what little brain you have? You believe I've said those things because I've expressed sympathy for those who you desire to persecute? Such poor analysis. Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

.....What are your views on people......inciting violence against people on the basis of their racial/religious group membership?

I do not understand brian.

???

brian,

Why doesn't your 'social conscience' extend too, to the behaviour which ISLAM encourages ???

e.g.
What about, what mainstream ISLAM teaches to the moslem, on the type of 'relationship' the righteous moslem should always have towards persons who do not believe, as moslems believe, brian ???

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

THE EFFECT UPON MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY OF SUCH TEACHINGS [Koran/Hadith verses above] ----->

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4i

THE EFFECT UPON MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY OF SUCH TEACHINGS ----->

IMAGE...

"If you call us violent, ......we will kill you!!"

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/iTHE EFFECT UPON MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY OF SUCH TEACHINGS ----->

BELOW - WHAT ISLAM IS, AND WHAT ISLAM PROMOTES IN THE WORLD [i.e. WHEREVER MOSLEMS ARE FOUND];

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43373	Re: extremism in australia Reply #28 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 8:16pm Yadda wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 2:36pm: .....What are your views on people......inciting violence against people on the basis of their racial/religious group membership? I do not understand brian. No, I wouldn't expect you to, Yadda.
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Reply #29 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:19am

brian,

You'll happily censure non-moslem 'racists'.

But you refuse to censure ISLAM, which is the inspiration for moslem 'racists'.

???

Dictionary;
censure = = express severe disapproval of; formally reprove.

Yadda wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

I do not understand brian.

i

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Please watch this YT...

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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