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Spineless apologism in Mother England
Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:24pm
 
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Russell Brand Says We Are All To Blame For The Escalating Crisis In Iraq

Russell Brand has said we only have ourselves to blame for "desperate" young Britons travelling to Iraq and Syria to fight with Islamic State (IS) militants.

In a fierce attack against the British Government, Brand dissected David Cameron's speech on new laws to crack down on terror suspects.

The Prime Minister last week warned that extremism in Iraq and Syria poses a greater danger to Britain than al Qaeda.

But, in the latest video of his YouTube series 'The Trews', Brand argued that the British government is using IS, formerly known as ISIS, as an excuse to impose terror measure on the "domestic population."

"The threat of ISIS is conceptual and abstract," Brand said, before adding "unless you're in Syria."

In London, Brand says "the threat of David Cameron however, is real."

Referring to the escalating crisis in Iraq, Brand said: "We've caused this problem, make no bones about it."

He argued that attitudes in Britain towards Muslim youth are to blame for the influx of young men and women leaving the UK to join extremists abroad.

"What frame of mind would I have to be in to leave my house in smacking East London and go, 'Right, I'm going to the desert to kill people,'" he said.

"You'd have to take away my material comfort, my sense of security, my sense of connection to the country, my sense of togetherness - all of those things would have to be stripped away from me," Brand says.

The fact that there are so many "desperate people, so many alienated people" indicates that we have to build a more "coalescent, inclusive, communicative and bonded society here in Britain," the comedian said.

"So people don't think 'I want to go to Syria and cut people's heads off, I like it here.'"

Unless these attitudes change, he said, terrorism will continue.

Brand added that he could see why IS would be "appealing" for "the lad" that shockingly murdered the American journalist James Foley.

"He went from being a disenfranchised youth in east London with no voice, no cultural identity worth having other than one of being under constant suspicion and condemnation to directly addressing the President of the United States," Brand said.

Brand said not to presume that IS are "madly evil," arguing instead that "terrorism is the nuclear bomb of the disenfranchised."

The more we bomb these regions, the more "we create these problems for ourselves in the future," he said.

Last week Cameron said his top priority is to keep the people of Britain safe. But Cameron's only concern, Brand says, is to remain Prime Minister.

"If he says anything other than that, he's lying," the comedian added.

Brand argued that, instead of focusing on the current crisis in Iraq, Cameron must "put controls on energy companies to counteract a climate change crisis, stop spending money on Trident… cars, alcohol and cigarettes are killing people everyday - so deal with those things first."

"I don't accept people who have lived in a milieu of constant cosseting and privilege like David Cameron coming on my TV set and saying British working class people have got to go over there and die, or that there's justification for more Iraqi or Syrian people dying or Muslim people in Britain who feel so disenfranchised that they go over there."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/03/russell-brand-islamic-state-iraq-cris...

Funny man? Snivelling, spineless apologist, you mean.
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Reply #1 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm
 
I watched one of his trews episodes against fox news. It is about as in depth as the stuff Karnal posts.
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Reply #2 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 8:40pm
 
Good point, FD. How does one watch a trews episode against Fox News?

I really am.curious this time.
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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:05pm
 
It was on youtube.
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Reply #4 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:05pm:
It was on youtube.


That’s a relief. I thought you had something stuck up your nose.
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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:19pm
 
In utter desperation to get some traction against the likes of myself and other critics of the delinquency that Islam has given rise to around the world, Karnal puts a match to any credibility he might have had by promoting this idiot Russell Brand as a social commentator to be taken seriously!

It's f***ing hilarious!

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Russell Brand! ~ guru to the likes of Karnal!

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Reply #6 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:31pm
 
Brand is about as relevant as Pickering, Herbie...    Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:41pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
In utter desperation to get some traction against the likes of myself and other critics of the delinquency that Islam has given rise to around the world, Karnal puts a match to any credibility he might have had by promoting this idiot Russell Brand as a social commentator to be taken seriously!

It's f***ing hilarious!

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Ignore me, Herbie.

I’ve put this up as an example of the worst form of heinous, limpwristed self-flagellation imaginable.

I’d prefer Larry Pickering any day, but the brains trust at the BBC would prefer to colonise our minds with the likes of this braindead numpty.

I blame Islam.

Can I say that?
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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:19am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
Brand is about as relevant as Pickering, Herbie...    Roll Eyes


Not quite.

"Brand has undergone a transformation to the worse over the last few years. Once upon a time he was an occasionally amusing, essentially harmless clown who played on a mixture of delinquency, eloquence and curious innocence to great effect.

Somewhere along the way – perhaps as a consequence of his brief affair with Hollywood and even briefer marriage to pop princess Katy Perry – he morphed into a poorly informed Noam Chomsky impersonator. Where once he penned charming, off-beat prose about West Ham, now he hectors us with recycled and fundamentally misguided advice on foreign affairs and class war.

It is sad to watch. But it must also be condemned. Because Russell Brand carries, in our society, an unfortunate but undeniable political weight; nearly 150,000 people have watched his video – in which he also describes David Cameron as a more dangerous threat to Britain than Islamic State (IS).

It is not ‘our fault’ that young Muslims are joining IS. They are driven by an intellectual poison and by the sinister glamour of violence. For Brand to endorse the notion that we are responsible for their actions is a callous kind of victim blaming – that great taboo of the modern liberal left – and it feeds the toxic well from which these young men drink. It is time, for once in his life, for Russell Brand to be quiet. Please".


It's pathetic how rock artists, comedians, and B-Grade movie actors delude themselves that because they have an audience this automatically confers upon them the Wisdom of the Ages, and their every utterance is worth bottling and recording as priceless gems.

Remember John Lennon and Yoko Ono ... ?

Dear O dear O dear .... 

Brian and Karnal sitting at the feet of .... Russell Brand!!  Grin Grin Grin

It reminds me of those images we saw on TV back in the 80's where the upper middle class professionals would flock to sit on the floor of auditoriums on the North Shore to worship at the bare feet of visiting Indian 'gurus' perched on the stage like living Buddhas.

Misty-eyed, gullible neurotics who had not 1% of 'street smarts' to protect them from falling victim to these cynical frauds who would arrive in Australia on routine visits to shear them of their excess wealth like the naive sheep that they were. 
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Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
Brand is awesome. Thank you for posting that, Karnal. There's a feeling of relief that comes with reading my own view expressed far more articulately than I could ever put it.

FD, that first post says clearly what I stammered and stuttered about in regards to Muslim youth becoming radicalised because they feel marginalised. Brand has some excellent words on hate and fear in general. You should read them.

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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 8:16am
 
So they are like the kid at school who got picked on, then brought in a gun and shot a bunch of people?
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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 8:25am
 
Oh, bite me. Ask Russell.
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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 8:44am
 
Lucky they have Islam to turn to, otherwise we might be in trouble.
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Yes. Phew.
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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 9:00am
 
Listening to Russel Brand tell you what you already know must be comforting.
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