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Question: Religion has no place in public life
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Religion is private and personal    
  18 (40.9%)
Politics and religion are inseparable    
  9 (20.5%)
Religion is false    
  5 (11.4%)
Evolution is real    
  6 (13.6%)
Atheism is true    
  6 (13.6%)




Total votes: 44
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Reply #30 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:43am
 
fractalign wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 11:03pm:
The true non believers are actually Agnostics. Even most atheists have a theory as to how life came about.
Agnostics neither know nor care and by doing so reject all theories of life.


Science has theories of how life came about, and some atheists subscribe to them.

Like I said, lack of belief = atheism.

Agnostics hold that knowledge of a god/s is unknown or unknowable (including that of existence).

Most atheists are agnostic.
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Reply #31 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:45am
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:42am:
It's a very poor example.

How does a chaplain force someone to believe?


They don't, but they do have a vested interest in pushing the religious line much more.
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Reply #32 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:47am
 
Kytro wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:45am:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:42am:
It's a very poor example.

How does a chaplain force someone to believe?


They don't, but they do have a vested interest in pushing the religious line much more.


Yeah, but who doesn't have a vested interest in something?  I'd rather it be some religion than something destructive like heroin or feminism.
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Reply #33 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:56am
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:47am:
Kytro wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:45am:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:42am:
It's a very poor example.

How does a chaplain force someone to believe?


They don't, but they do have a vested interest in pushing the religious line much more.


Yeah, but who doesn't have a vested interest in something?  I'd rather it be some religion than something destructive like heroin or feminism.


Well not everyone is happy with pushing religion in public schools, it's not as though it is a choice between religion and feminism. There are entire institution, and entire schools that cater to religious instruction.
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Reply #34 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:02am
 
Kytro wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:56am:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:47am:
Kytro wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:45am:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:42am:
It's a very poor example.

How does a chaplain force someone to believe?


They don't, but they do have a vested interest in pushing the religious line much more.


Yeah, but who doesn't have a vested interest in something?  I'd rather it be some religion than something destructive like heroin or feminism.


Well not everyone is happy with pushing religion in public schools, it's not as though it is a choice between religion and feminism. There are entire institution, and entire schools that cater to religious instruction.


Oh I know plenty aren't happy about it, but what are they afraid of?  That it might actually strike a chord with their kids? 

It would pretty much be a choice between religion and feminism - think about who does these social work degrees.  Mostly (ugly) women and a handful of effeminate, wimpy blokes - feminisms target audience. 

I'd be pretty secure that the many years I've spent with my kids wouldn't be undone by an hour or 2 with a chaplain, but then, I'm not a paranoid fanatic.  However, an hour or 2 with a counsellor on top of the constant media assault pushing all the "isms" might indoctrinate them a bit more effectively.
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Reply #35 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:06am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
Thats a conspiracy drawn by God botherers

No...  it's called reality....  I've experienced it many time particularly on the NET.  They can't help themselves.
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Reply #36 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:08am
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 2:53pm:
What makes you think it contradicts the Bible?

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it does nothing but !

Really?
Show once again dear troll how illiterate and ignorant you are.
I know many religious people who think it does nothing of the sort.
I happen to agree with them, but then they and I am not fundamentalists.
You fit into the fundamentalist mold.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #37 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:15am
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:06am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
Thats a conspiracy drawn by God botherers

No...  it's called reality....  I've experienced it many time particularly on the NET.  They can't help themselves.




Yes the God botherers really cant
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #38 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:15am
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:02am:
Mostly (ugly) women and a handful of effeminate, wimpy blokes - feminisms target audience. 


Social work is a brutal profession.  I'm guessing you haven't many people who work in the industry. 
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #39 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:23am
 
is it ok for a religion to publically behead people ?
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Reply #40 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:26am
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:02am:
Oh I know plenty aren't happy about it, but what are they afraid of?  That it might actually strike a chord with their kids? 

It would pretty much be a choice between religion and feminism - think about who does these social work degrees.  Mostly (ugly) women and a handful of effeminate, wimpy blokes - feminisms target audience. 

I'd be pretty secure that the many years I've spent with my kids wouldn't be undone by an hour or 2 with a chaplain, but then, I'm not a paranoid fanatic.  However, an hour or 2 with a counsellor on top of the constant media assault pushing all the "isms" might indoctrinate them a bit more effectively. 


I can think of a range of reasons why people wouldn't want their children taught religion.

* They follow a different religion
* They disagree with the specific brand of religion
* They believe religion is personal
* They disagree with religion and don't want the school saying it is true
* Don't want to fund religion

Some people probably are afraid it will influence their children before they can really understand it.

If you are going to make a claim like that, please have some evidence. There are a range of people who go into counselling, many religious themselves.

I happen to agree that chaplains are unlikely to have any long term impact on religious belief. I grew up in a religious family, went to a religious school and out of the 4 of us children, only 1 still follows the religion.

However, I have no desire whatsoever to fund religious teachings (other than academic study), and I don't think it is reasonable to ask others to do so simply because you happen to like that religion.
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Reply #41 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:23am:
is it ok for a religion to publically behead people ?


I'm going to go with no.
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Reply #42 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Stratos wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:15am:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 10:02am:
Mostly (ugly) women and a handful of effeminate, wimpy blokes - feminisms target audience. 


Social work is a brutal profession.  I'm guessing you haven't many people who work in the industry. 


I've met a heap of front bottoms who were doing social work degrees.  Whether they ended up working in the field I don't know - they may still be making coffee for a living.
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Reply #43 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:51pm:
Kytro wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 3:54pm:
Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 2:54pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 2:25pm:
It's a matter of personal choice, but it should be kept totally as a personal thing and not pushed on others.

Just like Atheism...


Well atheism isn't a belief system. It's a lack of a belief in a god/s. A (without), theism (belief in the existence of a god or gods).

Now there are some movements like new atheism, and some groups of anti-theists that have specific values of course, some of them like the anti-theist do advocate getting rid of religion altogether.   

Doesn't stop them from shoving Atheism down the throats of others though does it...



Religious proselytising is what makes people compare religious beliefs with having a penis.
The following quote illustrates the point.
"People do not mind you having one, they do not even mind if you are proud of it.
They may object if you show it off in public, and they will certainly never tolerate you trying to shove it down kids throats."
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Reply #44 - Jun 26th, 2014 at 12:13pm
 
All very interesting?

However, it seems to fail the criteria, for the Politicians Suck section, which are -
Australian politicians, parties, elections and party policies.

It would seem more like a candidate for a few other sections, perhaps the General Board or Thinking Globally?
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