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Reply #45 - May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:59pm

There's nothing I said that needs explaining or footnotes to understand.

You're intelligent enough to recognise that what I've said is close enough to the truth ~ but whether you have the humility of character to admit to this is another matter.

I lived for 7 years in China surrounded by poverty, and it was rare to see the police make a visit in the local area.

I'm not going to play diversionary games of obfuscation with you, gandalf. I'll leave that for others to do.

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Reply #46 - May 23^rd, 2014 at 9:16pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:59pm:

I'm not going to play diversionary games of obfuscation with you, gandalf. I'll leave that for others to do.

Thats good. So lets be crystal clear then: the crime rates in third world countries are about a million times worse than first world countries, and attempting to infer the opposite is absurd. Almost as absurd as the claim that crime has nothing to do with socio-economic factors.

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Reply #47 - May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:29pm:

so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you.

it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas.

What a failure of a thread this is.
How false of you to start it.

I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever.

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Reply #48 - May 24^th, 2014 at 2:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:29pm:

so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you.

it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas.

What a failure of a thread this is.
How false of you to start it.

I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever.

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According to ABS statistics, Bankstown is more than 80% non-Muslim.

The biggest religious group in the area are the Catholics who make up close to a third of the population.

Perhaps we should be focused on Catholic crime?

http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2011/quicksta...

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Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney
Reply #49 - May 24^th, 2014 at 2:52am

moses wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 5:33am:

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There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention.

Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime.

Is Bankstown a people friendly place?
Is it a safe place?
What are the dangers of Bankstown, compared to the overwhelming majority of other districts in the State?
Well:

ASSAULT: (Violent and Non Violent) Per 100,000
8. BANKSTOWN council- 819 assaults per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

HOMICIDE: (Murder/Manslaughter etc.) Per 100,000 population.
4. BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 homicide cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number four in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

ROBBERY (With/Without Weapons) Per 100,000 population.
7. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 robberies per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number seven in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

SEXUAL OFFENCES (Assault/Rape Etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 sexual offences per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

THEFT (Break/Enter, Fraud Etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 theft cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE Per 100,000 population.
8. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

Compared to several hundred other districts which are not on the radar as far as crime is concerned, Bankstown is a cesspit of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons.

muslims are over represented in our prisons, Bankstown muslims have been in the news as being an extremely high proportion of the criminals in Bankstown.

Hang on, Bankstown has lower crime rates than the NSW average in most types of crime stats collected:

Sexual offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 148.8
Bankstown - 119.2

Malicious property damage (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 1051
Bankstown - 760

Assault (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 894
Bankstown - 819

Break and enter house (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 486
Bankstown - 395

Break and enter other (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 206
Bankstown - 126

Receiving/handling stolen goods (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 92
Bankstown - 80

Shoplifting (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 300
Bankstown - 229

Steal from house (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 298
Bankstown - 170

Steal from person (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 99
Bankstown - 47

Abduction/kidnapping (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 3.6
Bankstown - 2.6

Violation of court order/justice procedures (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 739
Bankstown - 566

Arson (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 94
Bankstown - 72

Drug offences (offences per 100,000 people)
NSW       - 618
Bankstown - 505

Disorderly Conduct (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 322
Bankstown - 122

Liquor offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 196
Bankstown - 26

Weapons offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 131
Bankstown - 127

Prostitution offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 0.6
Bankstown - 0.5

Trespass (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 121
Bankstown - 57

Breach AVO (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW       - 180
Bankstown - 139

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Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney
Reply #50 - May 24^th, 2014 at 4:25am

I'm sure that those people affected by the crimes of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons, in the Bankstown area are overpoweringly comforted by the fact that there are other places with higher rates of crime.

muslims and their supporters can never accept responsibility for their own actions, they always have to go back in time (up to 3,550 years ago in some cases), blame somebody else, quote somebody else's problems etc. etc.

The facts are that people are impacted on by the here and now of their own personal demographic situation.

The Bankstown population is 194,359 people

Their crime stats are:
BANKSTOWN council- 819 ASSAULTS per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 HOMICIDES cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 SEXUAL OFFENCES per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 ROBBERIES per 100,000

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 THEFT cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases per 100,000.

As there are 194,359 people in Bankstown you would multiply the number of cases per 100,000 by 1.9 to get a very accurate number of the actual crimes committed

So there are:

1556.1 ASSAULTS in Bankstown per year.

10.07 HOMICIDES in Bankstown per year.

226.1 SEXUAL OFFENCES in Bankstown per year.

123.5 ROBBERIES in Bankstown per year.

6864.7 THEFT cases in Bankstown per year.

1444 MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases in Bankstown per year.

241.3 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases in Bankstown per year.

The decent people in the Sydney area, especially those in the Bankstown council area are not interested in the rest of the world, not interested in the excuses of the muslims and their supporters, they want to clean up Bankstown, reduce crime, make their area safer and more people friendly for themselves and their kids.

The only way to do that is to face the truth, accept responsibility for Bankstown being in the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.).

muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime.

SO accept the truth, accept responsibility for yourselves, do something about your problems.

0f the 40 councils in the Sydney area over 30 of them have less crime, are safer and better places to live than Bankstown.

Why aren't you aiming to improve Bankstown for the benefit of decent people and their kids?

Get into the bottom 10, not the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.).

Stop making excuses and blaming everybody else.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #51 - May 24^th, 2014 at 8:08am moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 4:25am: muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime. Link?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #52 - May 24^th, 2014 at 8:51am Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:08am: moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 4:25am: muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime. Link? Too afraid to look for yourself? Do you want to be educated or blindly partisan?
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Reply #53 - May 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am

So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average?

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I understand your point of view gandalf, im just waiting for the tsunami of posts from yadda, moses, herbert, freediver, sprintcyclist,soren etc to attack the muslim community because of a bunch of uneducated non practicing muslims who happened to do a terrible crime.

Was it some kind of accident?

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People from other areas from sydney come to for example bankstown and commit crime, then thats gives the impression that the bankstown locals are involved in crimes.

Muslims are the victims, yet again. The Bankstown Muslims have no choice but to invade neighbouring LGAs and establish a caliphate.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #54 - May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26am Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:51am: Too afraid to look for yourself? I did look and found no data on religion/crime statistics for any demographic. Maybe you could fine them? I'm sure it would be in your and Moses argument's best interest
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Reply #55 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:26am

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average?

It's because of indigenous crime in the country towns and elsewhere.

And then the Muslims in South West Sydney have some stiff competition from the Abos in the Redfern and Waterloo inner-suburbs, and the Vietnamese in the Cabramatta and Campsie areas ... and the Pacific Islanders in the Mt Druitt area.

The Negroes haven't really made their mark yet, but I'm sure the dole-reliant among them have aspirations for finding ... er ... 'irregular' means of acquiring the necessary cash to pay for their bling and luxury goodies.

Incidentally, I lived in the Redfern area for awhile where all the cafe owners were tough little Greeks who weren't afraid of anyone. They stayed open until 11 or so at night.

Years later I was doing a few weeks of casual work in the Bankstown area, and would buy some sandwiches at a Greek cafe just opposite the station. I noticed the closing time was around 6 in the evening ~ which immediately struck me as very odd.

So when I asked the owner about it he said ... "The cockroaches come out at night and make it a problem to stay open after around 6".

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Reply #56 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:28am

Gandalf the statistics mean little, it does not prove that muslims are less or more violent than others. A letter attached to the article asked how many of the crimes were committed by muslims and how many were in jail, This because the writer was trying to explain away Lebanese muslim crime.

Also Bankstown muslims might prefer to commit crime elsewhere.

It could be that 50% of all crime in Sydney and its surrounds are committed by Leb muslims from Bankstown!

See how much information the figures portray.

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Reply #57 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:28am

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Too afraid to look for yourself?

I did look and found no data on religion/crime statistics for any demographic.

Maybe you could fine them? I'm sure it would be in your and Moses argument's best interest

Credit to you for trying. I'll see what I can find out.

To those of us who live in Sydney it's well known that when the news bulletins mention "south west Sydney" in relation to some criminal activity ~ it's code for "Muslims up to Mischief again".

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It's no accident that the professional ethnics from the top crime communities lobbied the government successfully to have the ethnicity of prisoners no longer recorded and published for general viewing.

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However ... some interesting information link

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Reply #59 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:47am

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 2:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:29pm:

so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you.

it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas.

What a failure of a thread this is.
How false of you to start it.

I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever.

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According to ABS statistics, Bankstown is more than 80% non-Muslim.

The biggest religious group in the area are the Catholics who make up close to a third of the population.

Perhaps we should be focused on Catholic crime?

http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2011/quicksta...

and adjoining areas with far fewer muslims have much higher employment and much lower crime.

More muslims, more unemployment and more problems.

Look at the evidence with 20% muslims.

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