Australian Politics Forum - Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney

Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #90 - May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26pm freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:00pm: I am saying that you will not find a single one that says they support sending criminal Muslims back to the middle east. Are you speaking for yourself?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52027 At my desk.	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #91 - May 24^th, 2014 at 9:32pm I am predicting the future of things we all know.
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Reply #92 - May 24^th, 2014 at 9:33pm

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia.

Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence. Is there any?

As you seem unable to find any links to muslim crime stats would you like me to oblige, I offer my service free to the afflicted and mentally challenged, such as your good self.

Please respond, if you are able.

I didn't make a claim, I asked someone else to substantiate theirs.

Google "burden of proof" if you are still confused.

Oh and by the way, no-one has, and as such there is no evidence provided to suggest that Muslims are over-represented in Australian prisons.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney
Reply #93 - May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20F...

Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out.
Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives.
Vietnam - charlie don't surf.
Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

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Reply #94 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:18pm

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20F...

Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out.
Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives.
Vietnam - charlie don't surf.
Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

Muslim population of Australia is approximately 2.5% right? The only countries with a greater representation of the prison population than that are those born in Australia and NZ.

Also, how do you explain that Aussies have a very similar incarceration rate to freaking Afghanistan?

Or how about the second highest incarceration rate is from a country that is 99% Christian, and the ENTIRE COUNTRY has only one mosque?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney
Reply #95 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20F...

Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out.
Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives.
Vietnam - charlie don't surf.
Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

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Reply #96 - May 24^th, 2014 at 10:58pm

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20F...

Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out.
Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives.
Vietnam - charlie don't surf.
Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

Yeah, zif in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Sudan you could be any religion you wanted to be.

What's wrong with you??

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #97 - May 24^th, 2014 at 11:09pm We have a lot of refugees here who have fled these countries because they are not Muslims and are discriminated against in these countries. I also do not think that religion is a major determining factor in criminal behaviour.
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Reply #98 - May 24^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

We have a lot of refugees here who have fled these countries because they are not Muslims and are discriminated against in these countries. I also do not think that religion is a major determining factor in criminal behaviour.

See top three represented by Soren's data for this.

no. 1, 2, and 3 are a Christian, Muslim and a country of mixed religion in terms of prison representation by country of birth.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #99 - May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia.

Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence. Is there any?

As you seem unable to find any links to muslim crime stats would you like me to oblige, I offer my service free to the afflicted and mentally challenged, such as your good self.

Please respond, if you are able.

I didn't make a claim, I asked someone else to substantiate theirs.

Google "burden of proof" if you are still confused.

Oh and by the way, no-one has, and as such there is no evidence provided to suggest that Muslims are over-represented in Australian prisons.

There is plenty of evidence.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1395023877/98#98

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Reply #100 - May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

There is plenty of evidence.

That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons?

haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence.

Speaking of which:

Soren, Moses: do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #101 - May 25^th, 2014 at 9:03am

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

Precisely.

During my own research on Google websites I've noticed it's now standard practice for the statisticians to NOT include the second-generation of immigrants as anything other than 'Australian'.

Immigrant 'Crime families' may have three generations, but those born here are no longer classified as 'ethnics', but 'Australians'.

It's all about manipulating the wording to produce a desired result.

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Reply #102 - May 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

There is plenty of evidence.

That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons?

haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence.

Speaking of which:

Soren, Moses: do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

Why do middle eastern people have their own crime squad then? I believe they are highly represented in crime stats for a couple of reasons which are a combination of cultural and religious. In these families the males have their butts kissed and basically are allowed to do whatever they want. They don't value education is another one. Years ago there was a running joke about about Lakemba High having the lowest maths results on record. Is it low intelligence or cultural/religious attitudes in their upbringing which make them feel like they don't need to do anything that society tells them. Factor in a sense of not belonging and you have a whole generation of poorly educated males whose attitude conflicts with Australian societal attitudes. So they find themselves poor and not liking the society around them. It's a not a big leap into anti social behaviour from that mindset. The Vietnamese are from the same circumstances but are progressing so it must be upbringing that is causing the issues.

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Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney
Reply #103 - May 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

There is plenty of evidence.

That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons?

haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence.

Speaking of which:

Soren, Moses: do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

I'll get the stats by the end of the day, but meanwhile ... (I actually found myself laughing at the following statistic. Things that are ridiculous often make us laugh).

France: 70% of entire nations prison inmates are Muslim – making up 12% French population
Posted on August 10, 2012 by Admin

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It's poverty that produces this result, the apologists and the Useful Idiots will tell us.

But curiously enough it's the Muslims in France who are most afflicted by this unfortunate condition of needing to commit crime in order to keep body-and-soul together.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52027 At my desk.	Re: Lebanese/muslim crime rates in Sydney Reply #104 - May 25^th, 2014 at 9:16am Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am: freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, That's why I included the link.
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