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Re: Melbourne Cyclist Doored by Taxi Passenger
Reply #166 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:41am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Well - it was not a bike lane and there are multiple factors at work here - which points to a need to change 'laws' in this case.Opening a door facing a gutter is not a situation in which that door is not opened safely - every person has a reasonable expectation that such a situation is safe.This is where 'laws' come unstuck - they seek to cover all situations where many arise in which they clearly cannot do so.Multiple factors:-the rider failed to keep a safe lookoutfailed to ride defensively taking into account the situationthe occupant did not look behindmultiple factors are in play...

Yes, well stated.......

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Reply #167 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 12:18pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:50am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

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Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out.

Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider.

If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike. Angry

Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist.

And a lawyer.

Really? If I coat hangered you off your bike you wouldn't be doing much. Now the orthodontist may be something you'd need & I'd expect you'd consult a Lawyer...... But the proctologist is a worrying aspect....... Are you that way inclined? Grin

That aside I think ignorant bike riders on busy footpaths in the
CBD all deserve coat hangering. Just like that Sheila deserved to be doored.

If she was road conscious then she should have been prepared for such an event going up the inside.

Hypothetical....If they bought the 1 mtr rule in like proposed for QLD.... Who would be in breach then?

You would need him to find your teeth.

See, I don't take being wantonly assaulted for no reason very well, and I do tend to reply in kind.

And I'd also be pressing charges. You can bank on that.

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Re: Melbourne Cyclist Doored by Taxi Passenger
Reply #168 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 12:32pm

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

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Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out.

Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider.

If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike. Angry

Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist.

And a lawyer.

Sounds as though you enjoy kissing arse and want the lawyer to get you off the charge....you're full of it!

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Reply #169 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:12pm

Story time:-- Bloke told me this....

A skateboarding kid was scooting down a crowded suburban footpath and terrorising old people - one old guy with one of those aluminium arm supported stick things saw him coming and raised his stick like a crusader with a lance, planted firmly and aimed, and pinned the little rat off his board.

I spent three years on a walking stick not that long ago post XXXX and in considerable pain walking - very slowly. It is amazing how quickly you see what it is like for anyone old and slow in such situations - very threatening. Even crossing the road is threatening with traffic apparently racing at you when you know you don't have the speed to get out of the way in the event of either stupid of malicious driving by the driver.

So I can understand the old guy's stance here.....

Moral is that people moving faster need to be aware that their speed and sudden appearance is threatening to others (I drive a courtesy bus and in a certain caravan park there are always complaints it is too fast - the caravans are very close to the road so I appear suddenly at idling speed and to them that is 'too fast', Capisce? It's all in the perception not the fact)- and so to the pushbike and the fisticuffs argument above.

It is normal to feel defensive when someone seems to be aiming at you and coming at speed - therefore 'coat hangering' etc might easily be a defensive response in such a situation..

Riders and skateboarders be advised. Ride in an intimidating manner and you can expect retaliation even if you don't think you are being aggressive - it is still your actions that are aggressive.

Share the road, etc!

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Reply #170 - Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:23pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:43am:

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist.

To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised.

Sounds reasonable - people often make a snap judgement and don't anticipate such things as a cyclist right there.

True indeed, errors of judgement are made, thats life. As a cyclist if i wanted a 'safe' hobby I'd take up chess. I know the risks, I'm currently convalescing from my last 'incident' Embarrassed

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Reply #171 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:49am

Kat wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 9:50am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

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Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out.

Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider.

If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike. Angry

Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist.

And a lawyer.

Really? If I coat hangered you off your bike you wouldn't be doing much. Now the orthodontist may be something you'd need & I'd expect you'd consult a Lawyer...... But the proctologist is a worrying aspect....... Are you that way inclined? Grin

That aside I think ignorant bike riders on busy footpaths in the
CBD all deserve coat hangering. Just like that Sheila deserved to be doored.

If she was road conscious then she should have been prepared for such an event going up the inside.

Hypothetical....If they bought the 1 mtr rule in like proposed for QLD.... Who would be in breach then?

You would need him to find your teeth.

See, I don't take being wantonly assaulted for no reason very well, and I do tend to reply in kind.

And I'd also be pressing charges. You can bank on that.

Wouldn't be much point in pressing charges if you were capable of returning the assault..... Now would there? Especially if you inflicted the kind of damage your inner keyboard warrior is suggesting.

I don't take too kindly to ignorant bike riders on footpaths. You' on a footpath with a bike make sure you're walking it. Wink

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 80383 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Melbourne Cyclist Doored by Taxi Passenger Reply #172 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:09am Please - can we settle this like gentle persons? Shoot each other - but no fisticuffs! (always had me a hankering after shooting a bike rider.. ever since I saw the Black Widows take on Grannie in Every Which Way But Loose )....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 80383 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Melbourne Cyclist Doored by Taxi Passenger Reply #174 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:23am ian wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 1:14am: Handbags at 10 paces Oooh - you bwute!
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Reply #175 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 4:51am

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:23pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:43am:

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist.

To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised.

Sounds reasonable - people often make a snap judgement and don't anticipate such things as a cyclist right there.

True indeed, errors of judgement are made, thats life. As a cyclist if i wanted a 'safe' hobby I'd take up chess. I know the risks, I'm currently convalescing from my last 'incident' Embarrassed

What did you do? Sit on the king?

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Reply #176 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:22am

viewpoint wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Alinta wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

ian wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

whats wrong with some of you people? Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out. And the idiot who caused the accident just walked away.

Yes.......concede I should have included that in my previous post.

Quote:

Of course you look before opening the car door regardless which side you are getting out.

Yes for other pedestrians maybe not a bike rider.

If she had been riding down the footpath toward or from behind me & I heard/saw her coming I'd be tempted to coat hanger her off her bike. Angry

Anyone who tried that on with me would want to know a proctologist and a good orthodontist.

And a lawyer.

Sounds as though you enjoy kissing arse and want the lawyer to get you off the charge....you're full of it!

http://barnabyisright.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tumblr_lpax8yxyfy1qip14mo1_500...

Now, why didn't I expect anything relevant from you?

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Reply #177 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:25am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 4:51am:

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 1:23pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:43am:

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 10:35am:

If you see the vision, the cab didn't pull over, it indicated at the same time as the door swung open. It remained clearly in the line of traffic - so very much a mixed message to the cyclist.

To me, the cab occupants made a snap decision to exit, and they didn't expect or see the cyclist. Unfortunate but the cab occupants have erred. And they know it, one at least has fronted up and apologised.

Sounds reasonable - people often make a snap judgement and don't anticipate such things as a cyclist right there.

True indeed, errors of judgement are made, thats life. As a cyclist if i wanted a 'safe' hobby I'd take up chess. I know the risks, I'm currently convalescing from my last 'incident' Embarrassed

What did you do? Sit on the king?

SOB

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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Reply #178 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:39am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Well - it was not a bike lane and there are multiple factors at work here - which points to a need to change 'laws' in this case.

Opening a door facing a gutter is not a situation in which that door is not opened safely - every person has a reasonable expectation that such a situation is safe.

This is where 'laws' come unstuck - they seek to cover all situations where many arise in which they clearly cannot do so.

Multiple factors:-

the rider failed to keep a safe lookout

failed to ride defensively taking into account the situation

the occupant did not look behind

multiple factors are in play...

I'll try this:-

Last year I was driving on a narrow windy dirt road - and was VERY careful - since I did not know the road - to keep well to the left on corners. sure enough - a local lad in a red ute (is there any other kind?) came howling around one blind corner on the wrong side of the road - and only because of my careful prior consideration of that possibility and my fast reactions was I able to head into the 'gutter' - 'go bush' to avoid a headon at considerable speed.

It's called situational awareness - and is something that bike riders should be taught before they are licensed..... as they so obviously need to be. Anticipate - be in front of your aircraft at all times - not playing catch-up - and always assume the other person is dumb

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Agree with grappler here.

Some people have mentioned all sorts of road rules and who is right, who is wrong.

But there is an unwritten road rule we all sort of know and it goes something like this.
Doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, on the battle scale it usually works out that:
bikes beat pedestrians
cars beat bikes
trucks beat cars
trains beat the lot of them.

So if you're on a bike, it makes sense to give way to cars, trucks and trains in any emergency, even if you technically don't have to. With pedestrians though, you can flex your muscle, you're king.

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Reply #179 - Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 7:45am

Personally, I'd like to see ALL 'accidents' between cars and bikes (or motorcycles) to be deemed
to be the fault of the car driver EXCEPT where there is clear evidence to the contrary.

'But, officer, I didn't see him' should NOT be a defense, or a 'get off scot-free card' as it currently
often (usually?) is.

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