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Jan 18th, 2014 at 4:07am
 
You could be forgiven for missing it, but on the Friday afternoon before Christmas, federal environment minister Greg Hunt released the draft details of the Emissions Reduction Fund – the centrepiece of the government’s Direct Action climate policy.

The Direct Action plan is crucial if Australia is to meet its modest emissions goal of a 5% reduction on 2000 levels by 2020. But this first draft is beset by loopholes that could mean the plan delivers less bang for its 1.5 billion bucks over the next four years.

There are three standout problems. First, there is a risk that money will be given to carbon-reduction projects that would have gone ahead anyway, thus taking funding away from other projects. Second, the way emissions reductions are calculated could potentially penalise those who have already made cuts, while the most intense polluters might be spared from having to bring themselves into line with industry best practice. And third, companies that fail to meet their emissions pledges could be given long deadlines to put it right, with only minor financial penalties.


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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:11am
 
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Whats Wrong With 'Direct Action'


Almost everything.
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Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:44am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:11am:
Quote:
Whats Wrong With 'Direct Action'


Almost everything.


thats pretty much how I had it figured too!
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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:48am
 
Whats Wrong With 'Direct Action'


You could focus on a couple of small points like very expensive and won't work for a start just to keep it simple.
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Reply #4 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:04am
 
If the Libs continue to treat the atmosphere like an open sewer it will come back to bite them at the next election.
Three more years of record disasters and soaring temperatures will show them up for the short term political opportunists that they are.
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Reply #5 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:08am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:04am:
If the Libs continue to treat the atmosphere like an open sewer it will come back to bite them at the next election.
Three more years of record disasters and soaring temperatures will show them up for the short term political opportunists that they are.


Grin Grin Grin Grin  Yep nearly as hot as the heat wave in 1908  and fires nearly as bad as 1939    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:11am
 
woody2014 wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:08am:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:04am:
If the Libs continue to treat the atmosphere like an open sewer it will come back to bite them at the next election.
Three more years of record disasters and soaring temperatures will show them up for the short term political opportunists that they are.


Grin Grin Grin Grin  Yep nearly as hot as the heat wave in 1908  and fires nearly as bad as 1939    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


You do realise that this has been going on for over 100 yrs so its no surprise that those records occurred within the warming period we were warned about since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
None of this is new...
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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:16am
 
As all of the worlds respected political and industrial leaders say...its not a question of whether climate change is real anymore...its what we can do about it that is the question.
Abbotts self serving opinion on the subject is irrelevant.
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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:17am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:11am:
woody2014 wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:08am:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:04am:
If the Libs continue to treat the atmosphere like an open sewer it will come back to bite them at the next election.
Three more years of record disasters and soaring temperatures will show them up for the short term political opportunists that they are.


Grin Grin Grin Grin  Yep nearly as hot as the heat wave in 1908  and fires nearly as bad as 1939    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


You do realise that this has been going on for over 100 yrs so its no surprise that those records occurred within the warming period we were warned about since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
None of this is new...


Do you have a link to the warnings back to the beginning OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:19am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:16am:
As all of the worlds respected political and industrial leaders say...its not a question of whether climate change is real anymore...its what we can do about it that is the question.
Abbotts self serving opinion on the subject is irrelevant.

Wink  So is yours   Angry
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Reply #10 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:25am
 
woody2014 wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:17am:
Do you have a link to the warnings back to the beginning OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION 


The existence of the greenhouse effect was argued for by Joseph Fourier in 1824. The argument and the evidence was further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838, and reasoned from experimental observations by John Tyndall in 1859, and more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896.[12][13]
In 1917 Alexander Graham Bell wrote “[The unchecked burning of fossil fuels] would have a sort of greenhouse effect”, and “The net result is the greenhouse becomes a sort of hot-house.”[14][15] Bell went on to also advocate for the use of alternate energy sources, such as solar energy.[16]

Not quite the start of the industrial revolution, but definitely during.
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Reply #11 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:28am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:25am:
woody2014 wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:17am:
Do you have a link to the warnings back to the beginning OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION 


The existence of the greenhouse effect was argued for by Joseph Fourier in 1824. The argument and the evidence was further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838, and reasoned from experimental observations by John Tyndall in 1859, and more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896.[12][13]
In 1917 Alexander Graham Bell wrote “[The unchecked burning of fossil fuels] would have a sort of greenhouse effect”, and “The net result is the greenhouse becomes a sort of hot-house.”[14][15] Bell went on to also advocate for the use of alternate energy sources, such as solar energy.[16]

Not quite the start of the industrial revolution, but definitely during.


Now that's interesting. Thank's for that   Wink
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Reply #12 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
The worlds moved on and its time the right wing denialists and their political masters did the same
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Reply #13 - Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:42pm
 
what's wrong with planting a Tree?

I don't understand this..

I thought greens were FOR more Trees?

in the past they've chained themselves to trees so that they wont be cut down...

but now.. the mere mention of the thought of planting more trees sends them into a mad spin about how bad it is to plant trees to better out world...

are they insane???
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Reply #14 - Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:04am
 
True Blue... wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:42pm:
what's wrong with planting a Tree?

I don't understand this..

I thought greens were FOR more Trees?

in the past they've chained themselves to trees so that they wont be cut down...

but now.. the mere mention of the thought of planting more trees sends them into a mad spin about how bad it is to plant trees to better out world...

are they insane???



Nothing wrong with planting some trees. Problem is that we would need to plant enough trees to impact food production to get any benefit. Then there it the question of what trees how mature and where do you get more than 10 Million trees just to start ? Seedlings are cheap but won't impact for decades more mature trees are expensive to buy and costly in every stage? Still take a decade to produce results.

How much do these trees cost how much does it cost to plant them where do we plant them how many die who maintains them how will this impact wildlife and the environment.

Yep go and plant a tree and the problem is solved.

And then that 10 Million trees is a very modest beginning many times that number would be required.
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