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Reply #75 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:05pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:50pm:

I look at all things critically and rationally. If there is evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented by coached claims then the statistic is bogus.

I really cannot make it any simpler for you than that.

Yeah about that rational and critical thinking, Data...

asylum seekers pay people smugglers thousands of dollars to get them to Australia. They want value for money, and the smugglers want satisfied customers. Just like any other business model.. right? So the smugglers provide them with an attractive service that will give them the best chance of being accepted. This includes "coaching". It doesn't mean they are not genuine refugees, but it does mean they have the nous to understand the virtue of playing the system as best they can.

Anyone would do exactly the same in that position - whether or not they are genuine or not. Your argument neither proves nor disproves them being genuine. Please actually use that rational and critical thought you claim you possess.

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Reply #76 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:

Anyone would do exactly the same in that position - whether or not they are genuine or not. Your argument neither proves nor disproves them being genuine. Please actually use that rational and critical thought you claim you possess.

I agree, it has never been my position that country shoppers are stupid people at the mercy of wind and tides. I consider them intelligent and resourceful. I give little brown people more credit than a lot of lefties.

And it is true, I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.

As to why they lie and rely on coached stories, again, unknowable, suffice to say if they were genuine there would be no need for reliance on coached stories. Having said that, if I was a country shopper, I would go for the story that works as well. Cool

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Reply #77 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

He says they're stopping Grin

http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png

Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information.

You actually believe what the government is (not) telling you.

Why does that not come as a surprise?

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

Nope.

You've mistaken me for someone else.

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Reply #78 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:26pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

I'm just dealing with the facts:

" ... More than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees in the March quarter ... "

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/overwhelming-majority-of-b...

It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.

They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know. They are brighter than you are.

The figures are provided by the government, and published in official Department of Immigration reports.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/asylum/_files/asylum-stats-...

If you have evidence that shows that the data in these reports has been falsified, please share.

So ... ?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156601 Gender:	Re: We will stop the boats! Reply #79 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm: I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic. OK then, over to you ...
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Reply #80 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.

OK then, over to you ...

I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

If you cannot recall then I suggest you see a doctor, because your memory is shot, but I suspect you do recall, but because it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda you prefer to ignore evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented.

That sort of wilful ignorance I cannot help you with sorry. Cool

Feel happy in parroting 90% and believing it means something. Certainly doesn't indicate any capacity for thought from you.

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Reply #81 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 4:07pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.

OK then, over to you ...

I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

And again Data, this proves nothing about whether they are genuine or not. For the amount of asylum seekers you have shown to be anything other than genuine, the number very well could be correct.

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Reply #82 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.

OK then, over to you ...

I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

I've provided an official government report demonstrating that my figures are accurate.

You've provided "statements" from people smugglers.

You obviously don't want to be taken seriously, and I am only too happy to oblige.

Cheers.

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Reply #83 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 5:08pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

"if you want to put a price on carbon why not a tax"

Support a carbon trading scheme

man made carbon dioxide pollution is a genuine problem

"Its all BS"

Which of FC Abbotts multiple positions on carbon do you believe ???

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Reply #84 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. Angry

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats. I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

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Re: We will stop the boats!
Reply #86 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

There never WAS a "carbon tax"

There WAS a FIXED PRICE on carbon - as "roll in" to an EMMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME - for a period of one year*

( ... the SAME ETS model proposed by the first Rudd Government

... the SAME ETS model proposed by the HOWARD Government)

* ... this one year period was re-negotiated to THREE YEARS - with the Greens and independents - as a condition of passing ETS legislation

The tag "carbon tax"
was applied to the interim fixed price by the media and opposition

( ... not that this clarification will sink in ... as Tony Abbott can't tell the difference between a carbon tax and an ETS, I doubt his supporters can)

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Reply #87 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:03pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.

They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know. They are brighter than you are.

You can't prove any of this. I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees.

LOL, people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached, a govt report says that they are coached. Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable. It is obvious to anyone who has the wit to connect that fact that people smugglers are coaching country shoppers.

But I expect you and others will desperately cling to it despite its obvious failings as a credible indication.

And you clowns pretend you are the intelligentsia? Grin

they are coached to the extent that they are told what to say so as to claim asylum and so that they are not thrown on the first plane out of here ... they are not coached in how to bypass the checks that the government does after that point ... what do people smugglers care if they are ultimately refused?

In fact, it works in their favour if they are sent back because the person being refused may try again and hand over another $10 000. No one without ID is approved if the govt. hasn't had an independant 3rd party confirm who they are .... in fact they cannot send them back without evidence of their real identities because the country they send them back to will in most cases refuse to take them back if you cannot prove they are originally from there

you said something about pretend intelligentsia

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Reply #88 - Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:52pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

There never WAS a "carbon tax"

There WAS a FIXED PRICE on carbon - as "roll in" to an EMMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME - for a period of one year*

( ... the SAME ETS model proposed by the first Rudd Government

... the SAME ETS model proposed by the HOWARD Government)

* ... this one year period was re-negotiated to THREE YEARS - with the Greens and independents - as a condition of passing ETS legislation

The tag "carbon tax"
was applied to the interim fixed price by the media and opposition

( ... not that this clarification will sink in ... as Tony Abbott can't tell the difference between a carbon tax and an ETS, I doubt his supporters can)

you are a fool with zero cred on show for all. Get educated man

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Reply #89 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra? No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government. The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats. They have obviously failed. When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. Angry

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats. I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

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