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Reply #120 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:52am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 7:00am:

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longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

as do I. I believe you referring to my thread of Rudd being a Psychopath. clearly the rather transparent nature of the thread eluded you as does so much. And perhaps you can go get your NPD diagnosed and treated.

yes. You were embarrassed by that simple error after attempting to pass yourself off as a medical professional. Then you wrote copious posts defending pedophiles claiming they exhibited normal human sexuality.

if you were half as clever as you think you are you would be aware that paedophilia is not a criminal offence

Yes all the kiddy fiddlers say that, they're all sick bastards. I believe pedophiles should be put to death, you believe they should be normalised, says a lot about you.

you don't even know what a paedophile IS. do you know what a kleptomaniac or a pyromaniac is???

let me give you a clue. it isn't based on their ACTIONS but rather their desires.

So men that molest little boys are not pedophiles according to you, you're sick. Don't give me your sh it that many people have desire to molest kids but don't act on it. That's like saying a hetrp male wants sex with women but doesn't do it.

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Reply #121 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:46am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 7:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 5:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

Ah typical, the usual suspects judging a person without knowing anything about them. Guess what, a psychologist, someone more than likely with a masters degree, diagnosed this person with a legitimate mental disorder. Compensation or not compensation, stop your stupid generalizations. Sitting on the shitter does not qualify you for anything.

as a psychologist they would have a minimum of a masters degree. but that doesn't make them infallible nor unable to be conned or be gullible. 'adjustment disorder' can be severe but at the same time it can also be trivial such as in this case. there is a problem with trying to label an diagnose ever stress or problem we face and call it a 'disorder' when it often is no such thing. The shrink was a jerk and COmcare surprisingly good.

once again I see someone decides to judge without knowing full facts. Yes...the pschologist is the one being conned and is the jerk, but longie is correct in his assumptions after reading a half arsed article that releases very little in terms of information about the person's actual state of condition.

all you are saying is that without a complete medical report, notes of the interview and supporting documents we cant say anything???

please, please tell me you think the woman has a case.. I could do with a laugh. yes there is a small possibility it is genuine, but I see no evidence that could possibly even HINT at that nevermind suggest it. shes a lazy PS denizen living on entitlement who has actually been forced to... not actually work perse but to move location where she can do whatever she does to fill her day.

I'd sack her in a heartbeat and I guess that this mental health claim was nothing more than an attempt to impede that actual process.

Yes, I could be wrong, but the evidence presented thus far is overwhelmingly in my corner.

you need to read. Then come back and discuss this further. I'm not disputing that comcare was wrong in their determination that her work environment is not responsible. I'm disputing your claims that she didn't have a mental disorder. Comcare agrees she has. Her doctor agrees. Her psych agrees. Everyone agrees. Except longie. So longie must be right?

and you don't think this mental illness is a bit convenient? and that's even without the cherry picked doctor who under corss-examination would be destroyed since the psychology profession and DSM both dispute the disorder even exists nevermind exists in this woman.

It's always sad when one completely ignores material provided and just spits rubbish out of their mouth. I bet you still believe children were thrown overboard. My 4 month puppy has more deliberating skills than you, and he chases his tail.

based on the evidence provided to us both it is reasonable to presume it was a false claim and she is a malingerer. Now we don't have all the information but what we do have is rather damning.

and you're basing this on...

a) a statement from comcare agreeing the woman suffered from the mental disease.
b) the same statement confirming that both the GP and her psych agreed she suffered from the mental disease.
c) a news article that doesn't lay any counter claim.

Right. Got it.

you MUST be a public servant. only such a sheltered workshop employee could get that opinion from the article. ComCare didn't accept the mental health assessment but rather chose not to challenge it which is quite a different thing. and the reason why has already been explained to you.

The GP is unqualified to make the assessment and the shrink is at odds with his own profession on this alleged illness. most do not accept that it even exists.

Really? Fairly sure THEIR OWN document says THEY ACCEPT IT. Read. It really isn't that difficult. Especially for a writer.

But you know...keep living in your fairy land Grin

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Reply #122 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:57am

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The first issue is the diagnosis of Ms Magro’s condition. Ms Magro has made a claim for an adjustment disorder. Comcare accepted in its reviewable decision dated 20 April 2012 that there was no dispute that Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder.
The Tribunal notes that Ms Magro’s general practitioner found in August 2011 that she ‘appeared to suffer from an adjustment disorder’, a view supported by her treating psychologist, Dr Torres, who saw Ms Magro between November 2011 and February 2012 when he had diagnosed ‘an adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood’. Although Dr Saboisky found no psychiatric condition when he saw her in October 2012, he considered she had formerly suffered an adjustment disorder with mixed features of anxiety, depression and anger. The Tribunal is satisfied that the universal opinion from the relevant medical experts was that at the relevant time Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder. The Tribunal so finds.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/aat/2013/938.html

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Ms Magro did not suffer mental illness but in order to continue we won't challenge this.

http://www.longiefacts.com

Learn to read, mate.

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Reply #123 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:00am

woody2014 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

Public servant Erika Magro loses bid for compensation over office move

Updated 1 hour 3 minutes ago

Map: Canberra 2600

A Canberra public servant who suffered a mental breakdown after moving offices has been denied compensation.

Two years ago Erika Magro was working for the Department of Health and Aging when she found out her division would need to close because it was too small.

She was transferred into the much larger central ACT office, but within two months she had stopped coming into work all together.

Her psychologist said she seemed to be suffering from an "adjustment disorder" as a result of the work restructure.

Commcare twice refused to pay her compensation because it said her condition was caused by reasonable administrative action.

This week the Administrative Appeals Tribunal agreed, finding Ms Magro's illness was technically not an injury and therefore no compensation was payable.

Topics: law-crime-and-justice

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I do believe this princess requires to have two teaspoons of c-ment in her morning cocoa every day for a week and harden the bugger up.
Where does the public service get these kooks from?

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: FOR bugger SAKE Reply #124 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:13am We should never EVER let apologists for the heinous crime of peadophilia normalise this scum.
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Reply #125 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:19am

skippy. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:52am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 7:00am:

ian wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

as do I. I believe you referring to my thread of Rudd being a Psychopath. clearly the rather transparent nature of the thread eluded you as does so much. And perhaps you can go get your NPD diagnosed and treated.

yes. You were embarrassed by that simple error after attempting to pass yourself off as a medical professional. Then you wrote copious posts defending pedophiles claiming they exhibited normal human sexuality.

if you were half as clever as you think you are you would be aware that paedophilia is not a criminal offence

Yes all the kiddy fiddlers say that, they're all sick bastards. I believe pedophiles should be put to death, you believe they should be normalised, says a lot about you.

you don't even know what a paedophile IS. do you know what a kleptomaniac or a pyromaniac is???

let me give you a clue. it isn't based on their ACTIONS but rather their desires.

So men that molest little boys are not pedophiles according to you, you're sick. Don't give me your sh it that many people have desire to molest kids but don't act on it. That's like saying a hetrp male wants sex with women but doesn't do it.

plenty that don't - and adult sex is legal. your presumption that a person with unacceptable sexual preferences (eg necrophile, paedophile, rape) always acts on it is not only wrong but demonstrably so. Just as is your silly assumption that only paedos assault children. sex offending is largely not based on preference but availability.

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Reply #126 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:22am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

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Diagnosis

The first issue is the diagnosis of Ms Magro’s condition. Ms Magro has made a claim for an adjustment disorder. Comcare accepted in its reviewable decision dated 20 April 2012 that there was no dispute that Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder.
The Tribunal notes that Ms Magro’s general practitioner found in August 2011 that she ‘appeared to suffer from an adjustment disorder’, a view supported by her treating psychologist, Dr Torres, who saw Ms Magro between November 2011 and February 2012 when he had diagnosed ‘an adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood’. Although Dr Saboisky found no psychiatric condition when he saw her in October 2012, he considered she had formerly suffered an adjustment disorder with mixed features of anxiety, depression and anger. The Tribunal is satisfied that the universal opinion from the relevant medical experts was that at the relevant time Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder. The Tribunal so finds.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/aat/2013/938.html

And now for Longie's version:

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Ms Magro did not suffer mental illness but in order to continue we won't challenge this.

http://www.longiefacts.com

Learn to read, mate.

if English weren't your first language then you would probably be forgiven for failing to read the subtexts. if you had never encountered or read a document related to a legal argument you might also be forgiven for implying what is not formally stated.

but you do speak English and so you are not forgiven. I might be cynical but you are gullible. My cynicism at least stops me from being sucked into every hard luck story I read. I suppose you are still waiting for your Nigerian millions to arrive?

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Reply #127 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:23am

skippy. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:13am:

We should never EVER let apologists for the heinous crime of peadophilia normalise this scum.

except it isn't a crime. it is a condition, the outworkings of it however ARE criminal. That's why the majority of sex offending against children isn't committed by Paedos but rather normal average people in the community.

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Reply #128 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:26am

Longweekend is actually right on this one. While the term pedophile is usually synonymous with child molester, they are actually two different things, one is a preference, the other the crime. Although there is a crossover between the two, most people who identify as pedophiles but don't commit crimes seek medical treatment such as chemical castration because they realise their preference is wrong

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #129 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:22am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

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Diagnosis

The first issue is the diagnosis of Ms Magro’s condition. Ms Magro has made a claim for an adjustment disorder. Comcare accepted in its reviewable decision dated 20 April 2012 that there was no dispute that Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder.
The Tribunal notes that Ms Magro’s general practitioner found in August 2011 that she ‘appeared to suffer from an adjustment disorder’, a view supported by her treating psychologist, Dr Torres, who saw Ms Magro between November 2011 and February 2012 when he had diagnosed ‘an adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood’. Although Dr Saboisky found no psychiatric condition when he saw her in October 2012, he considered she had formerly suffered an adjustment disorder with mixed features of anxiety, depression and anger. The Tribunal is satisfied that the universal opinion from the relevant medical experts was that at the relevant time Ms Magro suffered from an adjustment disorder. The Tribunal so finds.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/aat/2013/938.html

And now for Longie's version:

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Ms Magro did not suffer mental illness but in order to continue we won't challenge this.

http://www.longiefacts.com

Learn to read, mate.

if English weren't your first language then you would probably be forgiven for failing to read the subtexts. if you had never encountered or read a document related to a legal argument you might also be forgiven for implying what is not formally stated.

but you do speak English and so you are not forgiven. I might be cynical but you are gullible. My cynicism at least stops me from being sucked into every hard luck story I read. I suppose you are still waiting for your Nigerian millions to arrive?

Oh so now its because of cynicism. Never believe anything right, because in doing so your own prejudices get blown apart. Truly longie, this is a pathetic argument. What is the subtext within them saying, "there is no dispute this person suffered from mental illness and we accept that this person suffered from mental illness"? Do I need to imagine them rolling their eyes when they said that, in the face of GPs and psychs? Please. There are times for assuming subtexts, and then there are times for looking at things LOGICALLY. And if a person's work ethos declines, and they then seek mental assistance, then their is more likelihood that the person is in fact suffering with something as opposed to them trying to somehow cover up that they are a sh1t worker.

But please, do continue down YOUR line of reasoning...you know...where there is no fact being used and just longiefact. It's too funny.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: FOR bugger SAKE Reply #130 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:59am Longweekend ran off to the mods because I stood up to his assertions it's ok to be a peado, says a lot about him given he accuses me of running off to the mods all the time. I have at no time called him a peado read my posts, but he is now threatening me with legal action via PMs.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: FOR bugger SAKE Reply #131 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:01pm You probably just misquoted him or misunderstood him or lied... knowing you Skippy. I do recall he spoke against such things.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: FOR bugger SAKE Reply #132 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:02pm Grendel wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:01pm: You probably just misquoted him or misunderstood him or lied... knowing you Skippy. I do recall he spoke against such things. Happy New Year Grendel! Here's to hoping you don't need to save for 3 years to pay utility bills I'll buy you a sweater.
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Reply #133 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 5:15pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:26am:

Longweekend is actually right on this one. While the term pedophile is usually synonymous with child molester, they are actually two different things, one is a preference, the other the crime. Although there is a crossover between the two, most people who identify as pedophiles but don't commit crimes seek medical treatment such as chemical castration because they realise their preference is wrong

thank you. finally someone with the ability to understand the meaning of the term and the difference between a PREFERENCE and an ACTION.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: FOR bugger SAKE Reply #134 - Dec 31^st, 2013 at 5:16pm Grendel wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 12:01pm: You probably just misquoted him or misunderstood him or lied... knowing you Skippy. I do recall he spoke against such things. skippy is a moron of the highest order who lacks the intelligence to understand what a paraphilia is as opposed to a criminal offence.
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