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Reply #120 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:52am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

It is YOU who are racist.

You may have been to KL on business at best, staying in a five star resort....that's no way to experience any country. You have no idea about the real Malaysia outside of the tourist traps.

I travel on public transport when I'm in Asia and I've seen Muslims give their seat to Indians, Chinese, Europeans and vice versa....they respect others cultures.

What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe and I'm yet to see a guard challenge anyone let alone pull the gun. This has absolutely nothing to do with all these ethnic groups and cultures living together in harmony.

Anyway, keep your racist views to yourself, I'm not interested.

Well if you are not interested then don't read it.

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Reply #121 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:53am

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

In Malaysia for instance they love xmas.

Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism.

If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along...

You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony...

I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time.

You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion. the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power. It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts.

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Reply #122 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:01am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

In Malaysia for instance they love xmas.

Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism.

If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along...

You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony...

I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time.

You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion. the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power. It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts.

i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia, they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being (at least nominally) a muslim.

wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. Wink

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Re: Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas?
Reply #123 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:09am

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out.

Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

You can't compare Australia to Asia, it's different.....it's Asia.

Kuala Lumpur is a city of 6 million and a lot of those people live in poverty, of course there will be crime, but I was pointing out that as a place with such a diverse population, it's pretty damn good. They work and live well together.

Quantum would probably say Australians are not racist.

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Reply #124 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:16am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

In Malaysia for instance they love xmas.

Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism.

If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along...

You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony...

I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time.

You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion. the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power. It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts.

i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia, they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being (at least nominally) a muslim.

wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. Wink

I'm not sure how the malays converted to islam to become civil servants, given it is LAW in Malaysia that ALL malays instantly become muslim.

BUt it wouldn"T surprise me that civil servant jobs are handed out on a bribe-like nature as opposed to "merit". Again thanks to the great corruption within the government that has exsted for decades. Don't tell Tony, apparently they are a very true democracy and a very good fwiend.

And btw, you're talking about an orange and an apple. Under no circumstances is Malaysia a secular state. Yet, we are.

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Re: Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas?
Reply #125 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:19am

Malyaysia is an extremely racist country, racism is legislated by the government. besides which Kl has a population of 1.6 m. Not 6m. And crime is a huge problem there, 30 years ago armed robberies were unheard of in Malaysia, now they are a daily occurrence. The whole place works but compared to most Asian countries they have a very low population density.

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Reply #126 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

Malyaysia is an extremely racist country, racism is legislated by the government. besides which Kl has a population of 1.6 m. Not 6m. And crime is a huge problem there, 30 years ago armed robberies were unheard of in Malaysia, now they are a daily occurrence. The whole place works but compared to most Asian countries they have a very low population density.

When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m.

It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See?

And again, all issues point to the actual government. Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly. And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other.

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Re: Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas?
Reply #127 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out.

Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

And what have I said to make out it is bad?

Are there not armed guards in shops? Are there not men with machine guns on city street corners? They are there for a reason and it is because the place is not a utopia.

I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

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Reply #128 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:24am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia, they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being (at least nominally) a muslim.

wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. Wink

Not quite, the laws are racially not religiously based. The law presumes all ethnic malays are muslim. If not Muslim then not classed as Bumiputra.

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Reply #129 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:28am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m.

It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See?

And again, all issues point to the actual government. Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly. And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other.

Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney.

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Re: Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas?
Reply #130 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:28am

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

Lets just agree it's not perfect. my partner grew up in Malaysia as a non-Muslim and turned out just fine. had a few stories about corruption in the police but nothing seemed too dangerous or nasty

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Reply #132 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:39am

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m.

It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See?

And again, all issues point to the actual government. Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly. And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other.

Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney.

Just like Melbourne has adjoining cities. But guess what, we still refer to the entire area as Melbourne, even though it isn't. It's like LA. Same thing. LA has 16million, but in actual fact LA is around 3 mil.

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Reply #133 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out.

Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

And what have I said to make out it is bad?

Are there not armed guards in shops? Are there not men with machine guns on city street corners? They are there for a reason and it is because the place is not a utopia.

I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

I didn't say Asia is perfect. It has its good and bad points like all countries.

I said Malaysia is multiculturally harmonious.

I've trounced nearly every corner of that city and I've never seen men with machine guns. Most security guards are sound asleep in a corner somewhere.

Apart from Bukit Bintang/Bintang walk/China Town/Brickfields there are no tourist areas, they are just suburbs. The money exchanges (and there are many) don't have armed guards.

There's not even armed guards at Petronas Tower, just security guards.

What corners are these armed guards standing on?

You make it sound like Cambodia after Pol Pot.

KL is actually a very boring city, people can't wait to leave, yet you make it sound like some war zone.

All of SE Asia has strong security or haven't you noticed this?

Try telling us what Iceland is like, there's a good chance no one on the forum has been there.

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Reply #134 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Anyway, we all agree Pansi is talking out of her backside.

Not really. Malaysia is definitely a multicultural goldmine. You can't blame the people for their government in this case, and once they get rid of "our great fwiends' then perhaps you'll actually see a reduction in crime and the removal of these phucked up policies.

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