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Dec 20th, 2013 at 2:38am
 
All aboard the slow train called Australia. We don’t have the know-how here to go any faster

The Intertubes have been ablaze at the apparent ‘betrayal’ by the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP. In fact they have been ablaze almost constantly with each successive bout of cerebral flatulence perpetrated by the new coalition government. However, the enraged denizens of our slow-band future need to appreciate that the Hon MP is merely following the footsteps of his political forefathers; he is just the most recent in a proud line of ‘infrastructure deniers’.

In 1903 the early sire of the modern conservatives, the Protectionist Party were denouncing the construction of the Trans-Australian Railway that would connect the eastern states to Western Australia.

The rail connection was a major incentive given to WA to join the Federation in 1901, as at the time the only way to get anywhere from Perth was by a long boat journey. Protectionist Senator James Styles complained to the parliament that the works would draw resources away from NSW and QLD, and that traffic simply did not justify the expense.

It wasn’t until 1911 that an ALP government got the project in motion. When the two sides of the nation were finally connected in 1917, the railway revolutionised internal trade and freight carriage with travel now taking days instead of weeks.

In the 1960’s similar small-mindedness by a coalition government almost saw the end to a modern cultural icon, the Sydney Opera House, and gives another clear illustration of how poorly the coalition understands future value.

Throughout history the conservative coalition has been fixated on the expense, instead of the investment. This compartmentalised thinking is again illustrated by the inability of the government in 2013 to perceive the flow on impacts that the Holden shut-down will have.

Even the great Menzies lacked vision in opposition. When confronted with the Snowy Mountains Scheme in 1948 he declared that it couldn’t, and shouldn’t, be done.  He argued that despite the attacks on Darwin and Sydney the coastal power stations would be safe, that diverting rivers for irrigation during drought was a waste, and Australia had plenty of coal . . . in the unlikely event we ever needed to produce that much power. Most of all, Menzies decried that the price-tag of $400 million, or 4 per cent of GDP (the same percentage of GDP as the NBN) was too high.


Costing benefits

Malcolm Turnbull agreed with ‘Opposition Menzies’ and declared that an FTTP NBN needed a cost-benefit analysis like the Snowy Mountain Scheme. This, like his investment in France Telecom, has the odour-de-rank-hypocrisie; or worse, a complete ignorance of history.

The Snowy scheme didn’t have a cost-benefit analysis, certainly not in the way that modern accountancy firms and corporations run them. The 56-page final report that was tabled in May 1950 has passing similarly to the 7-month, 546-page implementation and feasibility study performed by international auditor KPMG. Despite the NBN study including “a cost-benefit analysis of the macro-economic and social benefits that would result from the implementation of a superfast broadband network”, the main similarity is that the projects are both so new and daring that it is impossible to conduct a precise cost-benefit, as the future benefits are mostly unknown.

Now we have, thanks to even more government largesse, a new report that apparently tells us what Turnbull was claiming all along; that the cost is too high, and traffic simply does not justify the expense.

So what does a cost-benefit-analysis do?  Firstly, it determines if something is a sound investment; secondly, it compares the costs of two options against expected benefits, to establish if the benefits outweigh the costs, and by how much.

In the first case, the original NBN Co laid out the business case that ensured the project paid for itself (so no tax-payer money required) and established a 7 per cent by project completion; in comparison over the past decade residential housing produced 5.3 per cent, and that figure did not include any profits made from privatisation.

In the second case; KPMG looked at super-fast versus slightly fast and ruled in favour of FTTP (aka FTTH). Very public comparisons of two options have almost overwhelmingly confirmed that FTTP delivers the best cost-benefit. Even the OECD stated that fibre-to-home or premises is the better option.

Turnbull’s Strategic Review claims that the 7 per cent is gone, that we don’t need faster broadband after all (50Mbps will do), and the “Labor” project will cost a horrific $73 billion. This means that a full FTTP 1000Mbps NBN would now directly cost the tax-payer around $30 billion. Divvy that up between tax-payers over the 8+ years of the project, and that means about $4.90 per week. Hmmm, coffee and muffin or the nation’s future?

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Trickle-Down Benefits

There is one thing significantly absent from the Snowy report; that is the benefit of ranks of engineers gaining invaluable experience, which fed directly into the 1960’s manufacturing and construction boom in “heavy construction, including roads . . . dams, bridges, ports . . . mining, oil refining and industrial plant.” This legacy still benefits Australia to this day; with the export of Australian engineering services, employed throughout the world on major projects.

Countries across the globe are currently putting together plans and proposals for FTTP rollouts. Within the next 5 years there could be Australian engineers, project managers, even entire companies skilled and experienced in rolling out large-scale fibre-optic infrastructure and the supporting software.

Australian companies that could tender for work in the USA, Japan, China, Russia, and even Kenya. Australia could become a Net-exporter of technology services. For want of investment, this is a future that we are in danger of missing out on.

With the death of Auto-manufacturing and associated businesses in Australia now imminent, should not the nation’s government, and our self-proclaimed ‘infrastructure PM’ be pursuing a viable alternative?

When Menzies won the December 1949 election he re-examined the Snowy Mountain Scheme. As ‘Prime Minister’ Menzies he bucked the ‘infrastructure denial’ trend. He decided to keep the scheme and was henceforth instrumental in its funding and initiated many other massive public infrastructure projects that were central in the modernising of Australia. In 1958 Menzies humbly said this of the Snowy Scheme. “In a period in which we in Australia are still, I think, handicapped by parochialism, by a slight distrust of big ideas and of big people or of big enterprises . . . this Scheme is teaching us and everybody in Australia to think in a big way, to be thankful for big things, to be proud of big enterprises and . . . to be thankful for big men.”

“The Snowy” was, according to the American Society of Engineers in 1967, “one of the seven engineering wonders” of the modern world.  While it has since been supplanted by other feats, it remains Australia’s largest engineering project. In 1949 Menzies was a big enough man to see the immediate and long term benefits of the project, even though he had tried to stop it in opposition. The question is; will Malcolm Turnbull or Prime Minster Abbott be big enough to do the same?


http://theaimn.com/2013/12/18/all-aboard-the-slow-train/
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Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am
 
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am
 
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?
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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am
 
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.
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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:45am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.


CRAP!

That lie's so old and tired it's not funny.
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:49am
 
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



you dont think the SNOWY is more important than a rail or opera house.. I take it???

fair enough..

you do know the greens would have opposed the SNOWY dont you...ye gods they flooded a whole town..and god knows how many trees..
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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:51am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.



DIDNT GREINER PAY OFF THE HARBOUR BRIDGE??????????


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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:52am
 
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:51am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.



DIDNT GREINER PAY OFF THE HARBOUR BRIDGE??????????


Grin Grin Grin Grin



No.

The people of NSW did.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:58am
 
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:51am:
DIDNT GREINER PAY OFF THE HARBOUR BRIDGE??????????


Grin Grin Grin Grin


Then why are we still paying a toll to travel over it?
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Reply #10 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 7:01am
 
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:58am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:51am:
DIDNT GREINER PAY OFF THE HARBOUR BRIDGE??????????


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Then why are we still paying a toll to travel over it?



b ecause IT NEEDs MAINTAINING..dummy..and if you wan t other roads.built. well its the only way.

why do I PAY RATES>>>I have kerb and guttering.....
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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 7:04am
 
Kat wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:52am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:51am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.



DIDNT GREINER PAY OFF THE HARBOUR BRIDGE??????????


Grin Grin Grin Grin



No.

The people of NSW did.




and if Obeid and his mobsters had been in power it would have all ended up in his coffers
instead.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes if it wasnt for Greiner they would still be paying the bloody thing off. Angry Angry
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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 7:21am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.



Tell my one government that paid for the Trans Australia Railway or the Sydney Opera house that didn't go into debt?

Don't forget that Howard didn't built any infrastructure for Public use. He built the Darwin to Alice Springs railway and sold it as soon as it was finish.
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 8:19am
 
My impression of malcolm is that he is a chronic people pleaser.
this is a bad attribute.
if you are a ruler, your job is to rule.
I rule over my horses and they are in no doubt who the boss is.
Pleaser type people come and be all lovey to them, feed them sugar cubes and before you know it, the horses are biting them and lining them up to double barrell kick them.
This is what happens when you are a soft leader who doesnt establish authority. you become a target for an increasingly unruly and selfish mob. i would liken the australian electorate in general to a mob of horse who have been 'over-loved' and now have zero respect and are more than willing to kick the living sh^t out of those they see as weak leaders.
malcolm is weak, there is no doubt. i cant think back to the last strong leader we had in australia.
maybe sir joh bjelke petersen.
i remember when an aboriginal activist conducted an intitiation ceremony on the steps of qld parliament house and spilt his blood there (as a protest for the blood spilt by his ancstors)
joh responded that "he'd be more impressed if he spilt a few drops of honest sweat"

you wont get strong leadership like that again, and we will all suffer for it.

our asian neighbours, china for example, understand that submission to strong aggressive leadership unites the country and makes everyone more prosperous.

the socialist greens, labor and to a great extent the liberals are more interested in being "likeable' than governing.
pathetic malcolm, just pathetic
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Reply #14 - Dec 20th, 2013 at 11:26am
 
Kat wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:45am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:42am:
John S wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 6:26am:
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2013 at 5:29am:
just think... IF the Greens had beena political party in 1949 we wouldnt

HAVE A SNOWY to BRAG ABOUT Roll Eyes



If we didn't have a labor government we would't have a Trans Australian railway or the Sydney Opera House. So what is your point cods?



and if we didn't have Liberal govts we would never have paid for them meaning we wouldn't be able to afford anything ever again.


CRAP!

That lie's so old and tired it's not funny.


except it actually IS true and demonstrably so.  I'd prove it to you but that would require from you two thinks you lack - intelligence and intellectual honesty.
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