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Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ...
Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am

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A recent report by Student Rights found that over a quarter of visits by Islamic speakers to British universities resulted in segregated meetings. Last week the controversy over gender segregation prompted the Prime Minister to intervene.

Mr Cameron said: ‘I’m absolutely clear that there should not be segregated audiences for visiting speakers to universities in Britain. That is not the right approach, the guidance should say that universities should not allow this.

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Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:00pm

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‘Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

‘It happens naturally

From my experience I agree with this. Rarely does anyone ever say "women you must sit here - away from the men". The reality is, most muslims are culturally used to segregating themselves, and they would feel uncomfortable sitting next to a non-family person of the opposite sex.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:02pm

Right, so lets get this right. The Universities did not create any rules which prevented segregation? And so, when Muslims do segregate, they are suddenly in the wrong?

Further, as these are more than likely private functions, utilising university facilities rented by the Universities, suddenly the Universities are to blame for what goes on in these functions, even when it is NOT breaking any laws or rules?

Haven't we seen this all before? Talk about storm-in-a-teacup.

Tell me, will we see you, Herbie, getting equally upset at the segregation that occurs in Synagogues and traditional Christian churches or even the fundamentalist Christian churches? Suspect not...

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Reply #4 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Tell me, will we see you, Herbie, getting equally upset at the segregation that occurs in Synagogues and traditional Christian churches or even the fundamentalist Christian churches? Suspect not...

Apart from your typical and reflex "hey look over there!" is your point that if a Christian church does it, it is bad, but if Mulims do it, it is good? Or that they are both good, both bad? Do you have a point?

Your view that you cannot possibly criticise Muslims for cutting the heads off unbelievers is well known, does that view also include ambivalence on female equality within Islamic culture?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ... Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:52am: This is a good opportunity to stand up for the rights that Islam would take away. What does it say that a premier learning institute in Britain is happy to accommodate these retards? It was the students themselves who blew the whistle on this medievalism.
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Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Apart from your typical and reflex "hey look over there!" is your point that if a Christian church does it, it is bad, but if Mulims do it, it is good? Or that they are both good, both bad? Do you have a point?

Sorry, mind if I chip in Brian?

The reason I keep bringing up parallels mostly to elaborate on the fact that while there are Islamic extremists, there are also those from other religions too. No one is an excuse for the other, I am simply making the point that is far more dependent on the person rather than the religion. Religious scriptures are massively open to interpretation, and anyone with a bone to pick will find a way for it to support their actions, it really isn't that hard.

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Your view that you cannot possibly criticise Muslims for cutting the heads off unbelievers is well known

Seriously?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

accommodate these retards?

Stay classy Herbert

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

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‘Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

‘It happens naturally

From my experience I agree with this. Rarely does anyone ever say "women you must sit here - away from the men". The reality is, most muslims are culturally used to segregating themselves, and they would feel uncomfortable sitting next to a non-family person of the opposite sex.

And that's because women in Muslim societies have been so crudely sexualised that the men are barely able to keep it in their pants if they should happen to find themselves in close proximity with a female stranger.

Can you not see how pathetically immature it is that Muslim males feel 'challenged' and under stress because they find they must control themselves to not openly lust after an unattached female in their close proximity?

Is it any wonder that these sexually infantile Muslim males raped 19 women in Cairo's Tahrir Square in just two weeks when they happened to espy females in the crowd?

What this tells us is that Islamic culture needs to grow up in an awful hurry if it is not to remain an immature anachronism in Western society.

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It is already enough that Muslims demanded their own Prayer Hall at our Sydney universities after every other religious group had agreed to share the same hall for all religions.

Just a pain in the arse at every turn.

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Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:50pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Your view that you cannot possibly criticise Muslims for cutting the heads off unbelievers is well known

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. In a discussion about Islamists hacking off the heads of unbelievers.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

And just to confirm he dug himself a little deeper...

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

*YAWN*, I don't have to define anything, FD. The statement, in context means what it means. I am neither a citizen of or a member of their religion or those nations. Therefore I have no right to change or criticise either the religion or the nations concerned.

Those are the idiot paths a reflexive and spineless apologist is forced to walk when you twist yourself into a pretzel refusing to criticise anything done in the name of religion of peace.

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Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

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A recent report by Student Rights found that over a quarter of visits by Islamic speakers to British universities resulted in segregated meetings. Last week the controversy over gender segregation prompted the Prime Minister to intervene.

Mr Cameron said: ‘I’m absolutely clear that there should not be segregated audiences for visiting speakers to universities in Britain. That is not the right approach, the guidance should say that universities should not allow this.

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Yeah so, I don't see it as a big deal.

When I went to university many years ago, majority of the women sat in the front, we boys sat in the back. We just did it that way.

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Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:16pm:

Apart from your typical and reflex "hey look over there!" is your point that if a Christian church does it, it is bad, but if Mulims do it, it is good? Or that they are both good, both bad? Do you have a point?

Sorry, mind if I chip in Brian?

Go for it. I don't read DL's posts

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It is obvious from this comment he has completely missed the point of what I said. it is not that it is that Muslims do it but rather why should Muslims be singled out and others who the same thing be ignored? If you're going to condemn people for this, you don't think it should be universal, rather than the usual selective condemnation? Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

If you're going to condemn people for this, you don't think it should be universal, rather than the usual selective condemnation? Roll Eyes

I agree. You want to post on some Christian or any other religions atrocities or acts of buggerbuggery I will happily condemn them.

Unlike your idiot self who will grant an exemption of criticism for anything Muslim I can condemn heinous acts and do so universally. Hypocrite much Brainless, see the idiot the paths you walk when you introduce universality whilst excusing one from that universality?

Here ya go Brainless, your concept of universality...

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

*YAWN*, I don't have to define anything, FD. The statement, in context means what it means. I am neither a citizen of or a member of their religion or those nations. Therefore I have no right to change or criticise either the religion or the nations concerned.

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In fact not only will you refuse to criticise you will actively attempt to defend, apologise for and distract from any such criticism.

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Reply #12 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

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Further, as these are more than likely private functions

This was not a 'private' function. The guy was a guest speaker. It was not a dinner party. Do you feel some kind of desperate need to make up excuses, no matter how unlikely?

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Seriously?

See the spineless apologetics thread.

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Yeah so, I don't see it as a big deal.

Of course you don't.

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When I went to university many years ago, majority of the women sat in the front, we boys sat in the back. We just did it that way.

Did they have designated boys and girls areas?

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it is not that it is that Muslims do it but rather why should Muslims be singled out and others who the same thing be ignored

It is not the same thing though is it Brian? You basically had to equate a state run university with a church or synagog in order to frame your apologetics.

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Reply #14 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

I just read the article a bit more carefully, and noticed a few things. They are basing the article on what appears to be a photo within the article, which has what appears to be half a hijab in it, with a lot of men at towards the front. Surely if there was a better photograph they would have used it, so I'm curious as to why they decided to go with the one they did.

Is it segregated? well, maybe, but you really can't tell based on the corner of one woman's head.

Added were the speakers comments, such as

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Separate seating for men and women is not something we ever enforce.

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‘This photo must have been taken at the start of the meeting because by the end there were many more women at the talk.

Also the signs down the bottom were related to a different event and refers people to different entrances, and I feel I have to ask once again, if there is clear evidence of segregation, why isn't it in this report?. It could be happening, I have no idea, but this is a very flimsy article.

Seeing as the title was

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Shocking picture shows how men were reserved front-row seats while women had to sit at the back

I get the feeling someone wrote the title before the rest of the article.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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