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Reply #255 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:53am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

I do love it how FD starts all these threads with absolutely no scope for a constructive discussion - just to say "there! I scored a point!"

That's not why he 'starts all these threads'. It's not an exercise in personal vanity for him. Nothing so trite, as you would like to believe for your own egotistical convenience.

Every time you and your little coterie of apologist 'Useful Idiot' collaborators attempt to defend the indefensible, fd once again successfully demonstrates that civilisation is always at risk of its enemies,

and that you people would like to drag us back to a time when theocratic lunacy used to rule the lives of whole nations as is still the case in half a dozen Islamic states.

Herbert,

Exactly so.

Public debate is a process of exposure.

And public debate, is a place where ideas and 'ideals' can be compared, against each other [by being defended or condemned].

And by being 'forced' to publicly defend those particular 'ideals' [which we are prepared to publicly defend], then it exposes and reveals [for everyone to see!], what is in our heart.

No ?

It should be instructive to us too,

to understand that it is a crime, in all 'rightly guided' ISLAMIC jurisdictions, to subject ISLAM to free and open public scrutiny [and thereby expose to the public glare, what ISLAM really is].

i.e.

It should be instructive to us too,

to understand that in the home of ISLAM, it is a capital offence, to publicly and openly scrutinise ISLAM!!!

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ISLAM is a lie and truth is killing it.

Posted by: Alaskan

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602782

Are forums like this slowly dying?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365893107/5#5
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If i do regard ISLAM as an 'offensive' philosophy, then in a 'free and open' forum, shouldn't i be permitted to express that point of view, and to demonstrate, why i hold that particular view about ISLAM?

And if the detractors [of certain comments i have made] have a legitimate complaint, then let them air it [IN THE FORUM], and have their complaint tested in debate!
.....FOR ALL TO SEE.

Shouldn't the ABC forum MODERATORS allow those people who frequent the ABC forum pages, to decide for themselves if my [or anyone elses] arguments have any merit [or not]?

If what i say is untrue, or ridiculous, that fact, will soon become apparent to everyone, when what i say, is exposed to the light of [widespread] scrutiny.

Open societies do not fear the opinions of fools.
....they rather, EXPOSE and laugh at folly!

In any free and open debate, if a 'position' is absurd, if an 'argument' is absurd,
...then the debater is [often] condemned to all, WITH HIS OWN WORDS.

And isn't the exposure of folly, and error, THE VERY FUNCTION, of free and open debate?

Free and open debate *is meant* to be a contest of ideas!
....where every folly is revealed.

And i would contend, that open debate is healthy, to all general freedoms in a society.

Whereas, lies are easily concealed in closed societies,
....*because* these closed societies are places where lies, and falsehood,
....ARE NEVER EXPOSED TO SCRUTINY, OR SPOKEN TRUTH.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #256 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:15am

Datalife wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

You can of course produce proof from your long dirt files that Brian has ever directly condoned any Islamic atrocities? Cheesy

LOL, Brian is stupid, but not stupid enough to directly condone in writing mad mullahs chopping off the heads of unbelievers.

So, Sensei, why did you claim the reverse? Has your way of hate consumed you so much that you would lie? Shocked

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Reply #257 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

I do love it how FD starts all these threads with absolutely no scope for a constructive discussion - just to say "there! I scored a point!"

That's not why he 'starts all these threads'. It's not an exercise in personal vanity for him. Nothing so trite, as you would like to believe for your own egotistical convenience.

Every time you and your little coterie of apologist 'Useful Idiot' collaborators attempt to defend the indefensible, fd once again successfully demonstrates that civilisation is always at risk of its enemies, and that you people would like to drag us back to a time when theocratic lunacy used to rule the lives of whole nations as is still the case in half a dozen Islamic states.

Oh, Sensei! Your way of the troll is the best way. Far better than that other Sensei DL's way of the hate! You bait your lines with much flavoursome bait which lures the unsuspecting to your trolls! It is wonderful to behold! Always do you return with a big catch! I sit at your feet and learn so much more than I do at the feet of DL who deliberately lies! Cheesy

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #258 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:41am So Jnr got anything useful to say on topic? hmmmm? Whether bwian and you are spineless or stupid or both doesn't really amount to much. Islam has a goal and it is an Islamic world... just ask them.
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Reply #259 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

So Jnr got anything useful to say on topic? hmmmm?

Yes.

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Whether bwian and you are spineless or stupid or both doesn't really amount to much.

Resorting to ad hom? Naughty! Cheesy

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Islam has a goal and it is an Islamic world... just ask them.

I have. Is this any different to the goals of Christianity or any other evangelical religion out there? No. Should this cause concern? Only if you're an Islamophobe. Cheesy

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #260 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades. How far behind does that make Islam? You need to read some history.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: spineless apologetics Reply #261 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm: Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades. How far behind does that make Islam? You need to read some history. Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations... Maybe you need to read the news, not history?
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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #262 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I sit at your feet and learn so much more than I do at the feet of DL who deliberately lies! Cheesy

Where have I deliberately lied? And PS, thanks for the chance to provide an example of a deliberate lie.

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Brian Ross wrote:DL, I haven't claimed to be an academic. I've never been employed as one nor claimed to hold any academic standing. That is a product it appears of your febrile imagination. I'll leave you to keep up your strawmen arguments yourself.

From the moron who hasn't even the brains to remember his previous announcements of being an academic.

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Brian Ross wrote:I have been a published academic at several points in my life, Sappho. ?

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Brian Ross wrote:Actually, DL, I referred to several webpages before I typed that out, to make sure what I remembered from my academic days was correct.

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Brian Ross wrote:You must move in very different academic circles to myself

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Brian Ross wrote:Funny, is that why whenever I or anybody else bring up their academic qualifications or knowledge you attack them personally? ?

Over to you Badbreath. Grin

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Reply #263 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

He's at it again - apparently it is the right of Muslims to execute gays as well as blasphemers. But at least he has conjured up the courage to condemn them. Not sure how he managed to give himself permission to do that.

The dill obviously had a belated apprehension of what his idiot statements entailed, and how it would preclude him from criticising the Great Satan or Israel, the number one targets for every card carrying lefty.

What a clown.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

*YAWN*, I don't have to define anything, FD. The statement, in context means what it means. I am neither a citizen of or a member of their religion or those nations. Therefore I have no right to change or criticise either the religion or the nations concerned.

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #264 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:22pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades.
How far behind does that make Islam?
You need to read some history.

Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations...

Maybe you need to read the news, not history? Cheesy

You're just showing your ignorance and stupidity there Jnr.
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Reply #265 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:43pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades.
How far behind does that make Islam?
You need to read some history.

Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations...

Cheesy

Really? So it's about spreading Christianity, not helping themselves to oil (Iraq) and rubble (Afghanistan)?

Good one, Tits.

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Reply #266 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades.
How far behind does that make Islam?
You need to read some history.

Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations...

Maybe you need to read the news, not history? Cheesy

You're just showing your ignorance and stupidity there Jnr.
Grin

Sarah Palin on the invasion of Iraq: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God,"

George W. Bush claimed, "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."

Donald Rumsfeld used biblical quotes in his weekly intelligence briefings about Iraq.

Looks to me like a lot of Conservative US politicians believed they were engaged in a crusade against Muslims.

Ane you claimed that Christians weren't trying to take over the world... Cheesy

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Re: spineless apologetics
Reply #267 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:46am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades.
How far behind does that make Islam?
You need to read some history.

Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations...

Maybe you need to read the news, not history? Cheesy

You're just showing your ignorance and stupidity there Jnr.
Grin

Sarah Palin on the invasion of Iraq: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God,"

George W. Bush claimed, "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."

Donald Rumsfeld used biblical quotes in his weekly intelligence briefings about Iraq.

Looks to me like a lot of Conservative US politicians believed they were engaged in a crusade against Muslims.

Ane you claimed that Christians weren't trying to take over the world... Cheesy

The USA is a secular country with separation of church and state it is not a christian country.

What did the pope say in regard to Bush's crusade comment, did he say no way and distance the christian religion from any future crusades?

The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

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Reply #268 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

Actually Christianity isn't trying to rule the world Jnr... They haven't since the Crusades.
How far behind does that make Islam?
You need to read some history.

Yet we still have Christian nations invading Muslim nations...

Maybe you need to read the news, not history? Cheesy

You're just showing your ignorance and stupidity there Jnr.
Grin

Sarah Palin on the invasion of Iraq: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God,"

George W. Bush claimed, "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."

Donald Rumsfeld used biblical quotes in his weekly intelligence briefings about Iraq.

Looks to me like a lot of Conservative US politicians believed they were engaged in a crusade against Muslims.

Ane you claimed that Christians weren't trying to take over the world... Cheesy

The USA is a secular country with separation of church and state it is not a christian country.

Yet every politician invokes God at every opportunity, "God bless America!" is their usual exhortation. Many Americans want to see religion being taught in schools, schools having daily prayers and of course, certain books and movies banned because they insult Christianity. Doesn't look all that much different to what some Muslims want to do! Cheesy

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What did the pope say in regard to Bush's crusade comment, did he say no way and distance the christian religion from any future crusades?

The Pope only represents Catholics. Protestants don't recognise his authority. So you see the schism in Christianity continues...

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The christians apologise for the crusades, will muslims ever apologise for their conquests that caused the crusades?

When did Christianity apologise for the Crusades? Even the Popes only specific reference to them was to the Sack of Constantinople and that was for attacks on Orthodox Christians! Cheesy

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Reply #269 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 5:35pm

you do say some stupid things Jnr.

Honestly Palin? Bush? Rumsfeld?
That's the best you got?
3 out of how many billion Christians? And not even a common thread between them.
You do realise Kuwait asked the US to intervene when IRAQ invaded it don't you?

'Obama slams Republicans for 'ideological crusade'' seems to me crusade lower case c is used commonly in the US.

Go Jnr Cheesy

Where's the Cuckoo emoticom?

The US hasn't started any war in the name of Christianity Jnr... do grow up.
To state such things plays into the hands of ignorant Muslims that think the Crusades have never ended and go around blowing themselves and others up.

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