freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2019 at 6:18pm:


About not being able to tell whether the Taliban were shooting the schoolgirl in the front or the back of the head in that letterbox outfit?

Yes, I see what you mean.

Frank? Did you say that?

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2019 at 11:55pm:


FD most definitely wasn't referring to the woman in the picture Frank posted - as he definitely wasn't jumping to a baseless conclusion about a picture he didn't even bother checking the context of. And he definitely wasn't jumping on this 'proof' that school girls were shot by the taliban to take a cheap swipe at me and what he sees as me going to absurd lengths to ignore the evidence that it was routine. And above all, he definitely isn't continuing to spinelessly apologise for Frank so blatantly lying about this picture. No way, Frank didn't lie at all - no, he merely stated that a schoolgirl was being shot by a talib, and  then decided to post a totally unrelated picture of a talib shooting a woman underneath. Nothing to see here folks.

This is what you are defending, dying in a ditch, Mohammedan:


A member of the Taliban's religious police beating an Afghan woman in Kabul on August 26, 2001. The footage, filmed by the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan, can be seen at http://pz.rawa.org/rawasongs/movie/beating.mpg


Punishments
Punishments were often carried out publicly, either as formal spectacles held in sports stadiums or town squares or spontaneous street beatings. Civilians lived in fear of harsh penalties as there was little mercy; women caught breaking decrees were often treated with extreme violence.[10] Examples:

In October 1996, a woman had the tip of her thumb cut off for wearing nail varnish.[10]
In December 1996, Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by a tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor.[27]
In May 1997, five female CARE International employees with authorisation from the Ministry of the Interior to conduct research for an emergency feeding programme were forced from their vehicle by members of the religious police. The guards used a public address system to insult and harass the women before striking them with a metal and leather whip over 1.5 meters (almost 5 feet) in length.[1]

Public execution of a woman, known as Zarmeena, by the Taliban at the Ghazi Sports Stadium, Kabul, November 16, 1999. The mother of seven children had been found guilty of killing her husband while he slept, after allegedly being beaten by him.[28][29]
In 1999, a mother of seven children was executed in front of 30,000 spectators in Kabul's Ghazi Sport stadium for murdering her husband (see right). She was imprisoned for three years and extensively tortured prior to the execution, yet she refused to plead her innocence in a bid to protect her daughter (reportedly the actual culprit).[30]
When a Taliban raid discovered a woman running an informal school in her apartment, they beat the children and threw the woman down a flight of stairs (breaking her leg) and then imprisoned her. They threatened to stone her family publicly if she refused to sign a declaration of loyalty to the Taliban and their laws.[14]
An Afghan girl named Bibi Aisha was promised to a new family through a tribal method of solving disputes known as baad. When she fled the violence girls often suffer under baad, her new family found her, and a Taliban commander ordered her punished as an example, "lest other girls in the village try to do the same thing".[31] Her ears and nose were cut off and she was left for dead in the mountains, but survived.[31]
Working women are threatened into quitting their jobs. Failure to comply with the Taliban's threats has led to women being shot and killed, as in the case of 22-year-old Hossai in July 2010.[32]
In 2013, an Indian author Sushmita Banerjee was shot dead by Taliban Militants for allegedly defying Taliban dictates. She was married to an Afghan businessman and had recently relocated to Afghanistan. Earlier, she had escaped two instances of execution by Taliban in 1995 and later fled to India. Her book based on her escape from Taliban was also filmed in an Indian movie.[33]
Many punishments were carried out by individual militias without the sanction of Taliban authorities, as it was against official Taliban policy to punish women in the street.

Yo never hear about the reprisals by the Taliban against those militias, including Malala's shooter - because nothing ever happens to them. So even Wiki is trying to be nice and fudgie about the bearded dam monsters.

Frank wrote on Sep 26^th, 2019 at 8:22pm:


More 8 year old girls, eh?

How terrible. You've always sympathised with the young, old boy.

I blame the shooters. You?

So thats Frank FD, would you care to explain your own attrocious behaviour on this?

When you mockingly stated that gandalf would not consider Frank's evidence "good enough", with specific reference to a woman in a letterbox outfit being shot (gosh whatever were you referring to FD - perhaps the Time Magazine article??) - why did you say this other than to insinuate that the one link of Frank's that could possibly be misconstrued as a 'school girl' being shot by a talib - was all the proof you needed that the taliban shot school girls (presumably for the high crime of attending school)?

Is it fair to say that becacuse of your deep seated prejudice you 'jumped the gun' on this picture and, against your better judgement, rashly assumed it was of a school girl being executed for going to school - without even bothering to check the readily available context of the picture?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2019 at 12:04pm:


When I said that you would say that it is not good enough, what I meant is that you would say it is not good enough. And you have pretty much proven my point about why.

'Senseless': attacks on schools soar in Afghanistan – report
Attacks on schools in Afghanistan tripled between 2017 and 2018, surging from 68 to 192, according to the UN children’s agency, Unicef, the first increase since 2015.

According to figures collected by the agency, the ongoing conflict had left more than 1,000 schools closed by the end of last year, with half a million children unable to get an education.

Although schooling, particularly of girls, has long attracted violent attacks in Afghanistan, going back to the period of the country’s communist government, one factor in the sharp spike appears to have been the use of schools as voter registration and polling centres for the parliamentary elections in 2018.

In September, the Taliban explicitly warned students and teachers not to allow their schools to be used for voting.

Before its defeat in 2001, the Taliban forbade girls to attend schools, and in the conflict since have often attacked efforts to establish an education they see as a symbol of Nato and US intervention.

The rise in violence against education is the latest unsettling metric of the rising instability in the country.

In one high-profile incident last summer, a suicide bomber detonated his bomb belt in a Kabul education centre, killing 48 people and wounding 67 more.

The increased targeting of schools means that an estimated 3.7 million children between the ages of seven and 17 – nearly half of all school-aged children in the country – are out of school in Afghanistan.

“The senseless attacks on schools, the killing, injury and abduction of teachers and the threats against education are destroying the hopes and dreams of an entire generation of children,” said the agency’s executive director, Henrietta Fore.

Worsening insecurity, high rates of poverty and persistent discrimination against girls caused the rate of out-of-school children to increase last year for the first time since 2002. Girls account for 60% of children not in education.

According to a briefing paper on Afghanistan published last autumn by the Global Coalition to Protect Education from Attack there were at least 500 attacks on schools from 2013 to 2017. It noted that “Afghanistan was one of the countries where the military use of educational facilities was most prominently reported”.

Amid the rising trend in attacks, analysts have noted once again that a growing proportion of attacks on education have targeted girls’ schools, as well as female students and educators, in recent years.

According to the global coalition, the majority of attacks on education last year were concentrated in “areas of the country that are under the control of non-state armed groups, or where those groups are contesting government control”.

From January to October 2018, the organisation identified “45 attacks on schools, students, teachers, and education staff … [with] nearly half of these attacks taking place in Nangarhar province, where the ‘Islamic State’ controls significant territory”.

The pattern of violence and intimidation facing teachers was also dramatised by recent events in Farah province, in western Afghanistan, where education officials were given an ultimatum by the Taliban to remove all male teachers from girls schools.

However, despite the local authorities complying, two girls schools were still targeted for an arson attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/may/28/attacks-schools-soar-...

We're still trying to understand what ORF means, dear boy. We'll get GCHQ onto it.

In the meantime, do you you have any jolly pictures of Afghan schoolgirls? 8 year olds if you please. One being shot in the back of the head will suffice.

I know, so morbid. Do you have a link?

You know, to back up your claim.